Modest Mussorgsky editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxg2R0Pqb3cThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenprevious: >>131161745
Everything I like is great, everything I don't like is shit.
I'm sorry but the piano Paul Crossley used for his Faure set (at least the Nocturnes) is too ugly.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGXpUYu7zgg&list=OLAK5uy_l7P89uKl0OXIw53fxq-Pokmzlr6mFOTpM&index=7That does not sound good. I guess it's back to Kathryn Stott as my go-to complete solo piano Faure set.
>>131197863some comparisons,Kathryn Stotthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AP30ilCURyk&list=OLAK5uy_kJj-xBcXIvcUvFFKkL_mQOXPeoSv1sh94&index=46Charles Owenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZIUCyeN7p4&list=OLAK5uy_lgY7ihdYjlhnoyGw1eUXdQ8rhJPSbnxAI&index=7Eric Le Sagehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awxgb7J_Yl0&list=OLAK5uy_mPEmQetzooevVANatqvm7LI_WXxh1CPJE&index=7Lucas Debarguehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3FttOKekCQ&list=OLAK5uy_mU83v4iXw_W10cfEp5giiruy1NIpiKlzI&index=37and of course Jean-Philippe Collard (which comes in at a 10:05 runtime!!!)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJOGDoXxjmg&list=OLAK5uy_nGhxCZqGQ-r8MSPLXw2W54L3t6KUtbxuw&index=7
>>131197862This but for me
>>131197911wrong
Dvorakhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_1E2dzBYfw&list=OLAK5uy_kar8TQM7vTJpz1_l9jCnoSu5S0X-Bw3WY&index=1
>>131197863>>131197894The Stott doesn't sound that great either, despite its acclaim. I might opt for Collard or Debargue as far as complete sets go.
Someone here recommended Mendelssohn’s Violin Concerto in E minor, the recording by Zino Francescatti, and it’s absolutely incredible. Does anyone here have any other recordings by him? And is there a better violinist than him?I’ll post the link herehttps://youtu.be/seZxdt1T480?si=D6vlS17EIQdHS8ss
>>131198227pic>And is there a better violinist than him?Depends what you like. I don't like to think it terms of better or worse musicians, but rather just good and bad recordings, and some musicians have more good than not. My point is, if you want a recording rec for a violin work, concerto, sonata, or otherwise, I can share some, but just to name violinists, eh, not really my thing.
Heifetz's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp57J4utRUQ&list=OLAK5uy_my799Fdea9ZvA-VswikEEdkYB0Fb2co60&index=27
finally some REAL FUCKING MUSIC
>>131198395we don't swear here
>>131197850>/Mu/ssorgskylove that guy
Because the dog is hearing "his master's voice" coming out the bell of the record player, get it?
now playingstart of Vaughan Williams: Symphony No. 4 in F Minorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3Li6MY57tQ&list=OLAK5uy_mol4T6mDC7wSmcjVvTS1oApl2hJX19QPE&index=2start of Vaughan Williams: Mass in G Minorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir6KIei98mE&list=OLAK5uy_mol4T6mDC7wSmcjVvTS1oApl2hJX19QPE&index=6start of Vaughan Williams: Six Choral Songs (To Be Sung In Time of War) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLN0V98L8qc&list=OLAK5uy_mol4T6mDC7wSmcjVvTS1oApl2hJX19QPE&index=11https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mol4T6mDC7wSmcjVvTS1oApl2hJX19QPE
I’m new to classical. I really like Bach’s Orchestral Suite No. 3. Any recs?
>>131199804His other orchestral suites. His Brandenburg Concertos. and of course pic
>>131199812Thanks anon. Will report back
>>131199835Feel free to stick around and ask for recording recommendations or if you find something you really like then similar pieces. And my other usual newbie copypaste:A good way to get your feet wet with recordings and learning pieces and composers is through these four YouTube channels, they're the ones I used when starting out,https://www.youtube.com/@incontrariomotu (focus on older recordings, generally Russian musicians)https://www.youtube.com/@cgoroo (focus on classic recordings)https://www.youtube.com/@olla-vogala4090https://www.youtube.com/@AshishXiangyiKumar (almost entirely solo piano music)basically I would to these channels (mostly the first one), and search, say, "mozart" or "elgar" or "violin sonata" or "string quartet" or "symphony" and just listen to whatever they had because they each are pretty well curated with great recordings, aka whatever they have uploaded, you know will be a good performance. Anyway, best of luck, enjoy, and feel free to ask whatever questions here :)
What's your favorite chamber music ensemble?
>>131200204Alban Berg, Takacs, Alexander SQ, Italiano Q, the list goes on...
>>131199812Why would you recommend Beethoven's 3rd and not his 5th? The 5th way more accessible and famous.
>>131199848Thoughts on Deucalion Project?
>i am... LE CONDUCTING!!!
>>131200410Looks like he's milking a cow
>>131200540suitable considering the piece he was recording.
>>131197863>>131197894>>131197980The best set is by Thyssens-Valentin who was a student of Fauré anyway. You don't really need anything else.
>>131200204Beaux Arts Trio, Camerata Köln, La Magnifica Comunità, the list goes on...
The problem with Fauré is that he has almost 0 (zero) great recordings. His own piano rolls are the best we have.
>>131200935Nope. Thyssens-Valentin.
>>131200983Not really.
>>131200204Pavel Haas Quartet, Talich Quartet, Trio Wanderer are three I go back to across repertory.
>>131200935i had no idea collard sucks. tells you how much i listen to faure's solo piano works
>>131201053Yes, really.
>>131201424Nope. Fauré plays with much more freedom: stready rhythm, asynchrony and rubato. Thyssens-Valentin does not really compare.
>>131201500"Steady" and "freedom" are nominally at odds. How exactly do they relate in this case?
>>131201546no one can hear you in space.
Mendelssohn
>>131201500That's a nice opinion and all, but her recording is still 'great'. Piano rolls also sound like shit.
>>131200935Genuinely interested what you think is wrong with those pianists, and why your standards are so retardedly high that not even the composer's student is good enough. You must be an amazing pianist!
>>131201546They aren't. For 19th century rubato, both apply at the same time. Strange, right? Maybe if you're ignorant, that is.>>131201611It's pretty mid.>>131201641I already pointed it out. I'll add that her tempi are generally very inauthentic to the romantic tradition, slow and grounded - unlike the composer's own interpretations and other 19th century masters. Thyssens-Valentin being his student means nothing when she doesn't even sound like him or any other old masters, she is influenced by the modern tradition, although she's somewhere inbetween. Pretty mid.
>>131201688>inauthentic to the romantic traditionWho cares? If it sounds good, it sounds good. You're just working your logic backwards to disregard everything that doesn't fit your idea of "authenticity". As if authenticity is any good on its own.
>>131201688Right, it is strange how you avoided answering the question.
>>131200329At first I didn't recognize the name but going to the channel, I've posted their links here plenty of times! Looks like they have solid taste, lots of classic recordings, with a predominantly older selection. If you don't mind the older, inferior sound quality, then you can't do wrong with them too.
>>131200823thank you hiss sister
>>131201779Don't bother. It's the same bullshit that I called out in the previous thread >>131192533Terminally online retards are obsessed with being autistically hypercritical because they want to appear special and cultured. I'm not sure how they manage to get any listening done at all if less than half a dozen of composers and performers are good enough for their majestic pantheon of supremacy. This retard apparently focuses on authenticity, i.e. there's only one correct way of performing a piece of music of whatever. Extreme autism, I tell you.
>>131201833>I'm not sure how they manage to get any listening done at allI can only assume that they don't actually listen to the music, much less enjoy it. It all seems very performative. Yes, only your shitty, unlistenable piano rolls that don't capture dynamics, subtle rubato and pedal work are good enough, and everything else is garbage, right...
There's no modern Bruckner because the modern Bruckner is too busy developing and writing harem, self-insert anime with high school settings.
>>131201873holy shit, have you been spying on me?!
>>131201779It doesn't sound very good and that's the issue. Someone like Cortot or Lortat could've made recordings and I'm sure they would be top notch. Sadly, we didn't get much quality.>>131201810I don't think I avoided any questions to be fair.
>>131197850Brahms' Choral music is today's choice. the Missa Canonica is fantastic!>>131199804Handel's Water Music
>>131201851Sure seems like it.
>>131201873Would Bruckner's favorite K-On girl be azusa?
What is the theme in lohengrin called that goes like duuuduuududunnnn duuuduuududunnnn that happens in Elsa's traum after the overture theme plays.
>>131201833>there's only one correct way of performing a piece of musiccorrect
>>131201986Love that recording. Marcus Creed is always really good in fact. Going through his discography is a good way to discover some other wonderful choral recordings.
>>131203259Shut the fuck up, smartass dilettante. You can't even play an instrument.
I've been listening to hours upon hours of classical every day for the last few weeks (and I started really listening to it like 2 years ago) and imma be honest but classical music is pretty dogshit in general if you're just looking for something that "sounds good". There are some overall nice composers like Tchaikovsky, Saint-Saens or Vivaldi but most of it is just a bunch of autists circlejerking borings mathematical motifs for hours upon hours to maybe end up with 2min of something beautiful and memorable that everybody already listened to because that's the only thing worth keeping from the entire tradition (and I fully expect people to say all three composers I mentioned are normieshit, and that's okay, it means they cut all the, dare I say, filler). It gets even worse after baroque with the classical period when they decide to strip down the ornamentation for maximum boredom. There's nothing worse than symphonies, at least operas usually have a memorable overture or aria thrown in there to make you feel like you got your money's worth (even if the stage sets are horrendous looking 99.9% of the time). I hate modernity as much as the next guy, if not more, but if something is an "acquired taste" then it should go right in the trash (but I will keep suffering through it because my playlist of rare kino classical music is not long enough for a lifetime and when classical music is good it's peak as the younglings say). All this to say that someone like Turlough O'Carolan is better than Bach and melody is the soul of music, thank you very much.Yes, this is bait, I'm a musiclet, pleb, npc, retarded, faggot, brownoid and all that jazz (jazz sucks too btw, it's only useful to learn piano) and I will never post again. And yes I know you absolutely didn't just read all my blogposthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGPLmKmaF44https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4hEGDaY0kwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul8rnC2bjs0
I often enjoy listening to 8/10 and 9/10 recordings more than 10/10s because the former has the opportunity to reveal unknown shades and sides of the piece, unlike 10s which generally match up to one's idealized vision of the work.
>>131203833its*That's the extent of my response.
>>131203833tl;dr
>>131203833>I will never post againGood.
>>131203851>>131203856>two (You)s from scared fags too scared to actually engage with any of what I saidThat's the best possible scenario since I planned on not responding to any constructive criticism to avoid spending half my day on 4chan, so thank you very much.
>>131203874Sorry I lied, this is the last one I promise. Now go listen to the kino I posted
once again sharing this composer I just discovered, Richard Wetz. Every review I read compares him to a post-romantic Bruckner.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJKDqG6vExY
>>131203833>>131203894>>131203885https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4u4E0NvyAY0
>>131203885>scaredYes, I'm absolutely terrified of honestly engaging with your wall of peak Dunning-Kruger nonsensical text.
now playingstart of Holst: The Perfect Fool, Op. 39, H. 150https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz4DFh7xXgw&list=OLAK5uy_kwNOEW8kItFGD42We4nD85QsOhL64qe2A&index=2start of Holst: The Golden Goose, Op. 45 No. 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KW1LH2c0dE&list=OLAK5uy_kwNOEW8kItFGD42We4nD85QsOhL64qe2A&index=6Holst: The Lurehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=329tOKhYb9U&list=OLAK5uy_kwNOEW8kItFGD42We4nD85QsOhL64qe2A&index=13start of Holst: The Morning of the Year, Op. 45 No. 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdUYypuqmsE&list=OLAK5uy_kwNOEW8kItFGD42We4nD85QsOhL64qe2A&index=13https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kwNOEW8kItFGD42We4nD85QsOhL64qe2AFirst time listening to any Holst besides his The Planets. Should be fun!Plus, throughout my history of discovering new classical recordings, when to comes to orchestral music, I've always had a bias against these assorted orchestral works recordings, particularly ones consisting of single-movement pieces and the like, preferring instead either symphonies or multi-movement, fleshed-out orchestral works. Well, I'm finally in the mood for exploring the former, for something a bit lighter and freer in form than a symphony, especially for composers who never wrote a symphony (eg Holst, Franz Schreker) whom I've previously avoided, burying their recordings so deep in my backlog as never to be discovered again (until now!).
you guys peep the new Uchida?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR0V-LjAlBI&list=OLAK5uy_nnQG7dWqN5lZP53EB-WwFe0sySHCyZgKw&index=1>World-renowned pianist Mitsuko Uchida presents a new album of Beethoven's final three piano sonatas, Op. 109-110-111. Recorded live in October 2025 at Suntory Hall in Japan, this marks her second and final recording of these works, following her first in 2006. Widely regarded as a peerless interpreter of Beethoven, Uchida follows her acclaimed recording of his Diabelli Variations, which won a Gramophone Award in 2022 and was nominated for a Grammy in 2023. Composed between 1820 and 1822 alongside his Missa solemnis, Beethoven's final piano sonatas represent the pinnacle of his writing for the instrument, transcending traditional sonata form, through profound introspection and emotional journeys from struggle to serenity.
>>131203833Just "listening" is not really enough to understand classical music fundamentally. It's music written in a context which is no longer culturally inferred because these artistic movements happened hundreds of years ago. This is not unique to classical either, people 150 years from now will also not "get" what people got out of a lot of music styles popular today unless they do a little research. It is music of the past, you can't engage with the past if you don't want to engage with the past.I'm not saying that you should have encyclopedic knowledge but for God's sake read a wikipedia article at least. Anything beyond just plopping a piece on with 0 knowledge. They used to have little infographs with concerts and LPs for this reason.
Roger Woodward's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NNVbjvsU2g&list=OLAK5uy_lKr-TUmp_U035LIV5TCkrDSrzHTMfXePg&index=38
>>131203833You have crafted exquisite ragebait, good sir. I tip my hat to you.
>>131204053>Widely regarded as a peerless interpreter of Beethovenoh, really? anyway, i have the studio recordings and they're pretty good (especially 110), but i have zero interest in this new live recording.
>>131204053I confess... late Beethoven does not give me any of that transcendence or whatever people usually claim. It sometimes sounds a little masturbatory even compared to his early and middle period.
>>131204419Yeah, it is kinda lame that instead of recording any of the Beethoven she hasn't before, she instead releases three of the same five sonatas she's done previously. Maybe she felt her interpretation drastically changed or she did a transcendently good job here, I don't know.>tfw no complete Beethoven's piano sonatas Uchida cycle>>131204434To each his own. The only opinion I cannot respond is someone who doesn't like any of Beethoven's piano sonatas, but preferring the early and middle periods (assuming I inferred your sentence correctly), I can respect.
The name's Reger. Max Reger.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G19xL84VBzw
now playingstart of Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No. 1, Op. 10https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPJBt9q4n4E&list=OLAK5uy_krIbgg-yHRRI54SFtSAQ8LB96zDW-IvVM&index=2start of Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No. 2, Op. 16https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jA79kftIQ4&list=OLAK5uy_krIbgg-yHRRI54SFtSAQ8LB96zDW-IvVM&index=6start of Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No. 3, Op. 26https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msaxzDeQWiw&list=OLAK5uy_krIbgg-yHRRI54SFtSAQ8LB96zDW-IvVM&index=9https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_krIbgg-yHRRI54SFtSAQ8LB96zDW-IvVM>Exclusive Chandos artist Jean-Efflam Bavouzet tackles Prokofiev's five formidable piano concertos. Mr. Bavouzet's is recognized for his flair for powerful twentieth-century repertoire. Gianandrea Noseda leads the BBC Philharmonic. Prokofiev wrote these works mostly as personal vehicles during his most active period as an astonishingly gifted performing pianist.>Throughout, Bavouzet displays a light touch and laudable levels of physical stamina, with a firm grasp of the very different personalities of each piece. --Gramophone Magazine, March 2014 - Editor's Choice>2014 Gramophone Magazine Award Winner - Concerto --Gramophone Magazine
I like Nyman
Wir waaandelten in Fiiiiinsterniiiis...
>>131204434it doesnt get more transcendent than the Missa Solemnis. It's his greatest achievement.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUXy5SIj3Fs
for me it's the heiliger dankgesang
Lohengrin is absolutely fantastic, never knew Wagner could sound so melodic and musical
>>131204434late Beethoven is like late Goya, it's about understanding the beauty in the grotesque aspects of life
>>131205362this is actually a perfect comparison because both were going deaf as they made their last, unconventionally "ugly" and critically acclaimed works (the late quartets for Beethoven and the Black Paintings for Goya)
>>131205399a perfect comparison would be a painter who was going blind, so I guess Monet maybe
>>131205421well yeah but it's not just the going deaf thing, it's also about the "grotesque" beauty (like that anon said) of both the late quartets and the black paintings as well. Monet's last works don't evoke that sensation for me at all, they're mostly abstract pantings of flowers and water lillies.
I am listening to Bruckner 4!
Brahms-Schönbeck.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Epwg_bJBAws
>tfw the solo violin kicks inhttps://youtu.be/ptz5sUIBUuQ?si=t3WU8zC4tTkVlMly
>>131205773>And yet in this movement of the Missa Solemnis more than in any other Beethoven is the child of his age. For here the liturgy has been replaced not simply by the concert spirituel but by the concert-hall, or even the theatre. It is unfortunate that, since Beethoven's day, the combination of solo violin and orchestra, except in the strict symphonic interplay of the concerto, has acquired theatrical, and for the most part voluptuous associations: but the whole conception of symbolizing the Divine presence by a solo instrument that executes trills, leaps, languorous grace-notes, staccato ascents to dizzy heights above the leger-lines, and even unmistakably coquettish triplet ornaments seems to today's severer taste quite out of place. Indeed, it would hardly be more unsuitable to introduce a ballerina into the sanctuary.
Stravinsky kind of sucks, no?
>>131206131He absolutely does. If I had to pick composers out of all the "famous" or "top" ones (which doesn't include post-modernists, just to be clear) to be deleted from history, I'd honestly pick just one and go with Stravinsky. Completely unremarkable, mechanic, modernism incarnate. I'm almost entirely convinced I'll never get to like him. Even the bits that sound alright are spoiled by the fact that it's composed by Stravinsky. I hate Stravinsky.
>>131206312calm down, lass
>>131205323>>131205506:D
>>131206131>>131206312my rebuttal,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOMZ9Jo_Jmw
>>131206312This but Haydn.
strabinsky :D
>>131206553not gud :DDDD
>>131206644oh no :DD
>>131206644>>131206661listen to sipelius instead :DD
>>131206070b8
>>131205773Like an angel descending from heaven.
>>131206543(You)
You are hereby OBLIGED to rank worst composers of all time. This is my personal bottom 5:Str*vinskyBoulezWebernHaydnIvesI'm impartial to troll composers like Cage and Satie. And don't feel like mentioning literal whos.
>>131206859>WorstWebern>BestWeber
>>131206859Best:>Beethoven>Liszt>AlkanWorst:>Faure>Saint-Saens>late Brahms
>>131207177Gigachad.
>>131207177Microvirgin.
>>131206859Wagner LisztEarly Scriabin Robert Schumann Scarlatti
>>131206759he's right, Haydn was literally a slop peddler, so was Mozart, but at least Mozart could write a decent tune once in a while, even if his composition skills left much to be desired.
