Industrial theme>What is Goth ?https://www.whatisgoth.com/index.html>Goth Music historyhttps://www.whatisgoth.com/pages/Goth-Music.html>Goth Musipediahttps://claireslair.net/https://darkwaveradio.net/genres/https://post-punk.com/>Goth fashion history/Guidehttps://www.whatisgoth.com/pages/Goth-Fashion.htmlhttps://underground-england.com/an-ultimate-guide-to-goth-subcultures
I want to have sex with goth girls.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-R4eCxKxr6Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqqsZNAAjQchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWTfha5b1XEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kx_ppeUlzhMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLHzYJZn0oUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mbKNFnGlF0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3qPo5ys_J4
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>>131224906I want to have sex with New Romantic girlsyou know new wave punxthey're colorful
If you're goth, FUCK YOU AND GO TO HELL. Snobbish presumptuous faggot nigger puppet underlings for marxist pro establishment jews, gangster commie cunts. Gestapo "muh feels" mentally ill retard spazzoid pieces of weak human filth. Your "counterculture" Emphasizes aesthetic identity over structural changeFocuses on personal expression, not systemic opposition. The establishment agrees with you retards yet you have the nerve to act high and mighty? You're not revolutionaries, your women are ugly stinky pussied BPD whores and your men are lanklet faggot victims with no testosterone. Your whole swag is derivative of Christianity and anglosaxon and German idealism. Fuck every romona flowers wannabe. Fuck every blood on the dancefloor faggot. Go jump off a fucking cliff. There's not enough bullets for you all
Manson's new album has some very 80s sounding post-punk stuff on it, i enjoyed it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDkfV6wCSTA
>>131233368Manson is goth adjacent
>>131233517he's always been glam goth.
>>131233368pretty great!>>131233599well it's uh*checks notes*industrial glam rock with occasional new wave and deathrock elements depending on the albumSo I guess he's technically Visual Kei????
>>131232568Zarathustra XXI is the superior ID::Vision album
>>131233803i'd say the most he was ever straight goth-goth aesthetically was Holy Wood which was very informed by the social climate of the time, essentially donning the simplest form of goth as cultural armor against the media frenzy set upon him and his fans. but his new album is probably the most straight-goth musically he's ever been, it's a very cool throwback. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79KS1VSEnno
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>>131224900>no power electronics
>>131224900>no Psyclon NineDUDE that's the best aggrotech project by FAR
>>131243602fucking sweet I was looking for more Hard Beat
>Those disgusting vegan new/youth punks
chart doesn't have Bauhaus = into the trash it goes
Should't it be a post-punk general? Gothic is a byproduct of post-punk, not the other way 'round
>>131251068That's why those threads used to be called /dark/I'm all for making it a post-punk general though, we'd get to discuss New Wave
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv_6ZlXP7Gk&list=RDqv_6ZlXP7Gk&start_radio=1Here is some Rowland Howards for the Goaths
>>131259629basedBunkertor 7 is fucking kino, feels like it could be a Von Trier film or somethingYes I know about le bunker de la dernière rafale but still.
Good album
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Industrial eh ...in a /goth/ thread. Ok. Sleep Chamberhttps://youtu.be/147-SRr2494?is=PQuzrrhupqkOswm2Verrottet https://youtu.be/_-OeSr308zc?is=LG9P0-TslAXV-Iq1Prometheus Burninghttps://youtu.be/UPxYw6vxe30?is=NYGNSHLwvGwxzUCs
>>131265279Goth and industrial have always been intertwined. The first wave of goth bands were influenced heavily by TG, SPK, Cabaret Voltaire, Rema-Rema, Chrome, etc. Siouxsie and others were at TG’s first show at the ICA. Christian Death specifically cited TG, Flipper, and CV as influences for Only Theatre Of Pain. Killing Joke’s s/t LP is considered a staple of goth, industrial, and post-punk all at once. Members of Nervous Gender played in Castration Squad, one of the first LA deathrock bands. Japanese goth was closely linked with their noise scene. And then industrial became influenced by goth (Swans sounding like Double Dare by Bauhaus, Neubauten getting more song-oriented, etc). It’s all tied together.
My Shill listHangwirehttps://youtu.be/DezJE4E3cNQ?is=lasYmJ6Vs-DMtjhyGhost Cophttps://youtu.be/i1nn3Mre-hw?is=p3al-SJWMXgaY-eDESAhttps://youtu.be/eEOxYLrrbm0?is=SOt4hCh-TZKdPgHv
>>131224900>aliceDidn't expect to see that. It's one of my favorites and I always called that OST industrial toybox music.I like a lot of Skinny Puppy and KMFDM, I like some of it being political but I also really like Remission by SP and the more synthpop stuff I guess. Similarly I also liked PHM by NiN more and after that had more interest in the remix albums over main ones. What should I look into if I liked that? I haven't enjoyed sounds that are more techno/rave that I've listened to lately. I also like Chiasm, Collide, Kidneythieves, and Candyass by Orgy if you consider that to have some industrial influence. So any guidance on what I should look into more with this image or direct recommendations would be appreciated since it's kind of all over the place.
Mor Industrial/Darkwave etcBrainclawhttps://youtu.be/12XrLnLUoKI?is=WIdLj5ch7ZmMF8voDarkhttps://youtu.be/mX1bll28KFw?is=P1DfpkIZ2p00fS28Mor Prometheus Burninghttps://youtu.be/vRHmr3y1gnw?is=ZTrkoGS20ooL3cbJ
>>131225146>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqqsZNAAjQcMakes me think of the other NiN cover for The Crow. Read the comic recently and it's got a much different tone from the movie. It also had the lyrics to a Joy Division song in it.
NORWOOD SPECIALhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpxUHmd5fj0grim.
I really wanted to like this album but it felt like after a while the sampling became distracting. Hearing Brad Pitt on multiple songs started to seem off. But Malfunction was still a really good song from it.
>>131266716I thought it was great, gives it more cohesion when you sample the same material several times.It's my go-to electro-industrial album (that isn't full-on aggrotech that is)The Hand is my favorite track
Okay I have to askWHAT THE FUCK happened to Rudi in the 2000s that made him give up the super serious tone of earlier albums and go for goofy shit towards the end?
dunno what you fags have to say but as far as I'm concerened Welle:Erdball fucking dominate futurepop and it's not even closehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFCL_yHmSjk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37a9R43QcOghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-PhgeKVUX0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIEfGVMHDjI
>>131266808based auto-mod enjoyer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CULcsJtp8RY
>>131266728I think I just never heard an album with that much sampling before. At most it would be one or two songs. I really like the songs themselves but I just kept going "That's Brad Pitt, there he is again, this is Scream, this is Hellraiser". He did decent vocals for the album but it felt like I couldn't focus on them as much. I did think it was funny that The Hand had sampling from a video game though. Usually don't hear sampling from video games too often, mostly speeches and movies. >gives it more cohesion when you sample the same material several times.I did like it when Skinny Puppy kept sampling Legend of Hell House. But I still preferred the original releases which didn't include them all together at once.
>>131266945this isn't VAC at their goofiest mind youcheck out their debut for a laff
>>131266965Fate?>Serial Killer 101>I'm Gonna Wrap Myself In Your Intestineslel
https://legacy.reverbnation.com/morphineangel/song/16530217-o-g-gany obscure chuddy recs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8_Nv5pb2po&list=RD7VPlqblP3uE&index=2Fucking beautiful Siouxsie
>>131266555To me that version of dead souls is the best one. The Joy Division version always sounded really like a demo IMO compared to a lot of their other recordingsPeter Murphy and NIN did a bunch of stuff around that time toohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5VLN7CAf0I
>>>131243367https://youtu.be/dKYsk4NQ8jU?is=FGK4SK988bhyazXi
I hear you calling MarianAcross the waterAcross the waveI hear you calling MarianCan you hear me calling you toSave me save me save me from the grave
Remember when Paradise Lost looked like this?
>>131279469https://youtu.be/gNTIOZ3jJJo?si=QBk9hxAEptp4mud0
>>131279469That's actually so cool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7t3gsvJSMgidk if this is the right thread for this
>>131286527Check out the new Neo Inferno 262https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9yJ2WNL-z0&list=RDd9yJ2WNL-z0&start_radio=1&pp=ygUPbmVvIGluZmVybm8gMjYyoAcB
what are the QUANTIFIABLE DIFFERENCESbetween Goth Rock and Death Rock?
>>131286662I think Death Rock was more quantifiably spawned from Punk like TSOL or Lords of the New Church. Originally punk bands that switched their schtick later on. That even applies to Roz Williams & Christian Death. Goth was more an English thing spawned by bands that were in the original Batcave scene. More influenced by stuff like Joy Division & PiL.
Some jap darkwave and industrialhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmpQnfR8XZshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHsyJSDjEfo&t=261shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW3mfhmR5eM
>>131287923>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHsyJSDjEfo&t=261sthis was pretty awesome
>>131224856Industrial and metal aren't goth you ugly fat piece of fucking trash. Misfits aren't goth either. Die in a fire.
Have to screencap my post because this shit is just cancer and I'm just not gonna make 5 separate replies. Let's make a goth thread and not post any goth in it. Hope you all die in a fire.
>>131291927struck a nerve, emo boy?
>>131291927
>>131292176Struck your chin and shoved you into a locker, fat fuck.>>131292474Selfies go on /soc/.
>>131291927cry more
>>131291927agreed desu. metal is not goth and a small percentage of industrial is.
>>131294007there is overlap. the thread is barely staying alive even with them being included too.
Good job /goth/s, The thread is still up after a lot of time
>>131249244My fucking nigga... I saw them live in 08 when the opened for mushroomhead. Fucking badass show dude
>>131265642Look up Cyberaktif. It's a side project of cEvin Key from Skinny Puppy and Bill Leeb from Front Line Assembly.https://youtu.be/NnQ-W_Lt-sM
>>131279469A funny thing is that early goth and industrial guys listened to a lot of dub music. Bela Legosi's Dead is basically a reggae song, and those guys were hanging around dub reggae stuff in Britain in the 70s. I mentioned Key but he's one of these stoner dub guys who'd go chill in Jamaica as his spiritual place. Skinny Puppy has a lot of that influence in it. Some of it is really funky:https://youtu.be/_72AlYg6cV4
>>131294768I was talking to someone recently about goth stuff and they said they consider triphop to be part of goth culture, which I'm not really sure how I feel about that but it does seem like a lot of goths like it and the music can fit the atmosphere sometimes in other media. Triphop had similar dub/reggae influences too.
>>131293955Die more.>>131294007>a small percentage of industrial isZero.>>131294364There is no overlap whatsoever. You dirty zoomers want to homogenize everything and just claim you're part of any subculture for cool points. Things are different retard. You can't just take the soul and fun out of everything it make it the same. Go shower. You stink.
>>131295586thank you for crying more
>>131295833No thank you for living more.
>>131295950:D
>>131224856I want to do unspeakable things to this woman
>>131294646I know right, and the side-projects are good tooColumbineHelltrash especially
>>131297888you mean like anal vore?
>>131297888She looks like she diaper vores men.
xd
Yep, its kino
>>131300873Literal trash
>>131300926>Literal
>>131301038In the most literal sens.
>>131300873is this another breakcore trannie using selfies as album art?in which case>>131300926is correct
>>131301225I don't know but it's another dogwater drum machine hurr durr redditor dark voice synth spam copy pasted liquid fucking shit. This isn't even real music. It's actual fucking garbage. Nothing new. Nothing unique. Sounds like fucking shit. Some zoomer can make it in 15 minutes in his bedroom. This is the type of trash people are calling goth these days. The brownest shit ever. If you unironically listen to garbage like this I can't respect you as a human bean.Retards don't know what goth ROCK is.
>>131301342>Retards don't know what goth ROCK is.Obsidian?
More not GothKevorkian Death Cyclehttps://youtu.be/RsSNndVyOwM?is=2l0spnQRjB4CNM2GE Crafthttps://youtu.be/ZybPfjzsuwI?is=72zTAmzBYpoP24bIHocicohttps://youtu.be/a-1lzP_Y5n4?is=8yCRFBsLzLa5eM-d
>>131303786>Hociconoice
>>131295586ok, which genres count as goth?
>>131304631Gothrock, deathrock, darkwave, coldwave, ethereal.
What a dogshit thread. 0 discussions about actual goth. The subculture deserves to get overtaken by retarded tiktok trad larpers and OF whores
I been listening to Front Line Assembly. I really like their early albums. I think I remember listening to an album that featured dubstep. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL381E4mhHY
>>131304864>darkwaveis Joy Division goth?
>>131304903You are just because goth music sucks
>>131304969Some albums are. The goth genre umbrella came after the subculture was already established for music genres that goths listened to and were in line with the subculture's philosophical and aesthetic ideology. This includes some post-punk and new wave bands. This doesn't include industrial, just because clubs needed to make money off goths and rivetheads and had overlapping events and this doesn't include garbage like metal, which is a completely different thing and has nothing in common with goth at all.If you ask me, electronic shit should not be part of goth at all, but I'm letting it slide since it fits thematically and historically. If your band doesn't have a drummer and a guitar and a bassist you should fuck off.>>131303786This shit for example counts, but in reality is a gateway for gay leather fetishists, unwashed metalheads and generic "alts", and other sorts of mental illness librul enablers. These subhumans will listen to uninspired garbage like this, but wont listen to goth rock, which is actual goth and what created the scene in the first place. This lazy clubshit came after.
>>131304936I still listen to Millenium and like it a lot. Do you listen to anything earlier than that? I tried listening to one of their first albums and it just seemed a bit repetitive and noisy without much structure.
>>131305022>These subhumans will listen to uninspired garbage like this, but wont listen to goth rockhow do you know people listening to this aren't also listening to goth rock?how do you feel about the doors being labeled as gothic rock in the 60s?
>>131305022this guy is a real gothplease post your essential goth chart for the tiktok kids to educate themselves
>>131304936Why did you blog this in the goth thread when this is not goth?>>131305039>how do you know people listening to this aren't also listening to goth rock?This entire thread, retard. It's 99% non-goth vomit garbage. The entirety of the internet. Subhuman tiktokers and instagrammers tagging goth then you open their profile and it's againt the same shit. 99% metal/industrial garbage and the only goth is 2-3 reels of the most popular songs. The entirety of youtube. Retards talmbout sum goth while wearing a Korn shirt.
>>131305065The OP in fact is a perfect example. Some retarded bitch with a shirt of a non-goth band. The ape links a bunch of garbage, mainly a dogshit website full of someone's "do I fit in yet guise" opinions, then the first post is an industrial infographic.
>>131305065>This entire thread, retard. It's 99% non-goth vomit garbage.How many times can you post specific goth rock songs from bands 40 years ago and people copying them? Why not just make a goth rock thread if that's all you want? You don't think any industrial or metal could be influenced by goth rock?It seems like a lot of the goth rock bands that people hold up as purists didn't even like being labeled that way.
>>131305065>Retards talmbout sum goth while wearing a Korn shirt.Some people might misuse the term goth for them but I think even a lot of the people you're railing against wouldn't consider Korn goth lol.
>>131305117>How many times can you post specific goth rock songs from bands 40 years ago and people copying them?As many as you'd like? What kind of braindead question is that? I can tell you don't listen to goth, but there are a billion songs out there to be posted and listened to.>Why not just make a goth rock thread if that's all you want?I don't want to or need to. Why is this thread called /goth/ when 99% of the shit in it is not goth?>You don't think any industrial or metal could be influenced by goth rock?You don't think you can discuss this garbage in the metal threads considering it's not goth related at all whatsoever, or that it can be kept to a minimum in the GOTH thread?>It seems like a lot of the goth rock bands that people hold up as purists didn't even like being labeled that way.Not for them to decide. The label goth also came at a later stage as I said. At the start it was just called post-punk until the genres started getting more defined and some of them steered into other directions that don't fit in with goth.>>131305133Yes they would. That's the entire issue. Homogenizing of subcultures. People itt and all these retarded zoomers or redditor fat fucks just wanting to collect cool points from anything they can and being an expert on anything. Retards just shoving everything under alt. A gay fat fuck bitch at a bar once tried arguing with me that Evanescence is goth. The Korn example I also gave on purpose, because there was a """""goth""""" thread months ago and the biggest topic was Korn being goth. Same with HIM and Type-O and other dogshit garbage pop-punk/nu-metal liquid shit bands like that.
>>131305570Okay seriously though, would you rather get diaper-vored by Siouxsie or by Patricia Morrison?This goes for everyone ITT too.
>>131305863I'd rather enact a deathrock song on your dirty bitch ass.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbjSUriGryU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IUXNp5WGWAListen to this.
>>131224856was black sabbath by any means influential on goth rock?maybe not so much in a musical sense, but an imagery senselike, who did a better job to make dark, occult aesthetics cool in popular music during the 70s than black sabbath?
>>131306163goth's take on occult themes really isn't similar to heavy metal's at all.
>>131306163No.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRmqPT9l8WUSabbath more like SABBAT.
>>131294951I can see it. It had a lot of influence on darkwave music. I never understood what darkwave meant, but there was more of this around the turn of the millennium, like Collide. Daniel Myer does a lot of stuff mixing industrial with Massive Attack sounding stuff. I'm not even sure what trip-hop is other than a dubby sounding electronic music. "Navigator" by Forma Tadre has a cult following and I like that album.
>>131305570The real issue is that goth is primarily an aesthetic culture, while goths who try to base the subculture around British goth rock music from the 1980s in particular only have a very small pool of specific music to center themselves on, and if they don't do that then suddenly they have to accept that they're not special. This intense sort of gatekeeping also seems to largely exist in America (on the internet) and the r/goth subreddit compared to say Germany which has the largest goth festivals in the world and it's a big mix of gothic rock bands, neofolk, medieval music, neo-classical music, and industrial. There's Project Pitchfork playing there, it's pretty expansive, and 99% of goth nights almost everywhere are industrial/EBM nights with a splash of goth rock because you can actually dance to industrial music.
>>131305570>I can tell you don't listen to gothI do, although I was more interested in things like books/movies/games that might be described as gothic or gothic horror and industrial music that fit with it. Maybe some people want goth to describe goth rock specifically but others want to use the term to describe music in the same way that a book might be called gothic literature. I think calling Korn goth either way would be silly though because it doesn't really fit either use of the term. I do see more people acting like anyone wearing black clothes is goth now and they probably see things like this and think it must make them goth.
>>131305065>The entirety of the internet.Ah, see here's your problem. I knew it. You're too online. Literally go to one of these German goth festivals and the 80s goth rock bands (that are still around) which you hold dear so much are playing there along with the other stuff. But that's also what's fascinating about it, it's not really defined so much by a particular sound. A lot of goth rock bands used echoing guitars and liquid-sounding bass modulation, which are all modern electronic distortion effects to musical instruments that came much later than "goth" did as a particualr aesthetic (which goes back to the 19th century). Culturally it's a much richer and older tradition than some rock bands from the 1980s and it has found expression in different ways.>>131306239>goth's take on occult themes really isn't similar to heavy metal's at all.I think the difference there is that goth is usually more fascinated by "darkness" as a beautiful or romantic thing. This is why Type O Negative is goth. Metal tends to be more about aggression. Also a lot of metalheads like the guitar virtuoso stuff. This is a band trying to do the 1980s goth thing:https://youtu.be/-XEavwcHU78One thing you notice is that the music actually sound chirpy and even kind of happy sounding. It's aesthetically "dark" but take The Cure for example. But the substance can't be defined by a particular form of music. You have a German group like Blutengel which is a straight-up electronic pop group but aesthetically if you showed this to any rational person they're going to look at it like the Goth Talk bit on SNL or the South Park goth kids because that's who these people actually are, they are products of that scene there (where it's also still an actual thing):https://youtu.be/sfN6kRAd2bQ
>>131306283>>131294951You should see the bottom of the ocean forever.>>131306290>The real issue is that goth is primarily an aesthetic cultureIt's not. It's music based. The aesthetic came later. This is the biggest issue with retards ruining goth exactly. Hurr durr black and leather I must be goth now.>a very small pool of specific music to center themselves onWrong. Lurk more.>the r/goth subredditGo back.>and 99% of goth nights almost everywhere are industrial/EBMExactly the issue.
>>131306408>You should see the bottom of the ocean forever.You should see the inside of your own gaping asshole.
>>131306394>industrial music that fit with itIt doesn't.>but others want to use the termDon't care what you want.>I do see more people acting like anyone wearing black clothes is goth now and they probably see things like this and think it must make them goth.You're following the same logic.>>131306403>You're too onlineThe goth scene is online. It barely exists outside.>Literally go to one of these German goth festivalsFull of unwashed fat fucks and zoomers that have a 90% industrial/metal playlists and literal garbage non-goth bands, because there are barely any current goth bands.>>131306403>This is why Type O Negative is goth.No it's not. It doesn't have the goth sound.
>>131306427You should see a mental health instuttion and a Bible, faggotass industrial/metal gay leather freak and your gay fetish projections. Goth is white, straight, and christian. You will never be goth.
>>131306435>>industrial music that fit with it>It doesn't.Industrial music fits pretty well with gothic horror sometimes. >You're following the same logic.Not really.
>>131306408>It's not. It's music based. The aesthetic came later.Nope. The aesthetic came first and the music came later. The Addams Family was a sendup of it in the 1960s which was based on a comic in the New Yorker from the 1930s. Also, almost everyone in these goth rock bands listen to a bunch of stuff. I've literally seen those Twin Tribes guys dancing to the Mortal Kombat song at an industrial goth club and they're probably the most popular "traditional" sounding goth rock band out there right now. If people weren't updating the sound sonically with the times it would've died a long time ago. But it always finds a way to crawl back out of the grave despite the attempts by gatekeepers to keep it buried there.
>>131306442>Goth is white>>131279469You're an idiot. You're painfully stupid. Straight people can have gaping assholes and I'm appalled that you'd suggest otherwise.
>>131306444Goth as a term form the subculture and music genres associated is different from gothic architecture/art/horror. Industrial can never be goth. It's not part of the subculture. No genre that's not a goth subgenre can be part of it either. You can like what you like, but you can't claim that anything is goth just because it vaguely includes some overlapping theme.
>>131306462I already described the difference and acknowledged it in another post. I'm just theorizing as to why the same term is used to describe different things. I don't really know if you'd be able to get people to start describing things as "gothic" to separate it from "goth" music.
>>131306462>Goth as a term form the subculture and music genres associated is different from gothic architecture/art/horror. But clearly the music and subculture is influenced by gothic architecture and art as sources of inspiration. It is an artistic tradition. I don't know how you're trying to define it, is it not an art form? Here's a goth band:https://youtu.be/cLCKy2upW84
>>131306442>Goth is white, straightSiouxsie went to gay clubs. A goth icon would probably hate you.
>>131306453>NopeYep.>The aesthetic came first and the music came laterNope. Goths developed the aesthetic once the subculture was established and started differentiating itself from other subcultures. They didn't steal an already existing aesthetic. That's why a lot of the early goth bands that established the subculture didn't have a unified aesthetic.>The Addams FamilyIs not goth. It's just a cartoon.>almost everyone in these goth rock bands listen to a bunch of stuffAnd?>Twin TribesDon't care about some American trannies founded in the 2010s long after goth was already established and then died.>industrial gothNo such thing.>>131306461>0.1% of the artists and participants in the subculture were not white so that must mean it's not a byproduct of white cultureStop blogging about your gaping asshole. I really don't care about your degeneracy.>>131306480A shitty band but at least it passes. Of course it will be influenced, but you can't make a pop song with a vampire theme and call it goth.>>131306490Was she gay, retard? Did she promote homosexuality with her music, retard? No, gay retard. I can go to gay club without being gay if I wanted to. I can choose to tolerate faggots and treat them with respect without murdering them in the street. The subculture has roots in christianity and literature, none of which had anything to do with gay faggots.
>>131306514>>0.1% of the artists>I-it doesn't count!!>Was she gay, retard?Nice mental gymnastics. Siouxsie hates you. You probably think she'd love you for being a hyper purist and then you'd open your mouth and she'd cringe. That's hilarious.
>>131306542>no argumentConcession accepted, brownie.
>>131306547>You’ve also published a high-profile interview with ‘Attitude’, the Gay magazine. Was that done as a deliberate gesture of solidarity with the Gay community? >Oh yes. During my first excursions up to London, my first sort-of pals were always Gay, it was only within the Gay community that I felt any kind of lack of pressure from the clichés that girls seem to go through, about the age of my late-teens. And it was the first sane place I felt I was in, whether it was a Gay Club or whatever. And as far as anyone being homophobic – I’ve never understood that, in the same way that I could never understand racism – or any kind of ‘ism’.-Interview with Siouxsieyou are soulless
>>131306514>Is not goth. It's just a cartoon.I think these things can be both. You can have gothic music, gothic literature, gothic cartoons. Because it's primarily an aesthetic.>Don't care about some American trannies founded in the 2010s long after goth was already established and then died.Or undead.>A shitty band but at least it passes. Of course it will be influenced, but you can't make a pop song with a vampire theme and call it goth.Just wait until the thread gets a load of this:https://youtu.be/w1G-9WUgptYNot very original I grant you. But I think the root of the matter is that you're just wrong. There never was any "pure" subculture here that was ruined by anyone. What the average normie person sees and calls "goth" is goth, they were right all along. It was always just people doing whatever. The goths were gay weirdos back then. Your parents were right. Phil Leotardo is right. There was never any contrarian position here to take, ever.>The subculture has roots in christianity and literature, none of which had anything to do with gay faggots.No faggots have ever been involved in the Catholic Church or in literature, I'm sure.
>>131306588>Phil Leotardo is right.lol
Arguments like this is why it should have stay titled as /dark/. Also, lmao at the "based" Christian appropriating goth culture. Typical.
>>131306587Literally nothing to do with goth. Goth is not a political ideology, gay gaping aids ridden retard. Don't cherry pick arguments to fit your gay narrative, because I can use your methods against you and you instantly lose. Pic related.>>131306588>I think these things can be both.Cartoons can't be goth. It's a music based subculture established after the cartoon already existed nontheless.>Because it's primarily an aestheticNo it's not. That's a secondary aspect. This is why you have gay leather fetishist aids faggots like the dude above calling everything black with man semen on it goth.>Just wait until the thread gets a load of thisLiteral gay leather fetishist music.>the root of the matter is that you're just wrongProve me wrong. I'm arguing based on historical evidence and events that shaped goth. You're arguing backwards. I'm telling you what goth is and how it came to be that way. You're telling me what you want goth to be, and trying to justify your own opinion.>What the average normie person sees and calls "goth" is goth, they were right all along. It was always just people doing whatever.Soulless faggot with you wanting everything to be the same. Taking the unique aspects away. Typical cultureless globohomo brainwashed zoomer.>The goths were gay weirdos back thenNo they weren't.>No faggots have ever been involved inLoud minority. Non-argument. You're trying to justify your love of penis by attaching it to goth culture. Again, you're working backwards.>>131306626You're the one appropriating goth culture, gay faggot. You're a narcissist and self inserting into anything you want be part of by force. Just because you base your entire personality and life around choking on dicks, doesn't mean goth has anything to do with that.
>>131306650I never claimed goth was gay, just that a major goth icon supported gay people and would probably hate you despite your retarded purism because of the way you act. "Goth is not a political ideology" while claiming it's white/straight/Christian lol. Your brain is sewage.
>>131306702Surprised he hasn't mentioned Nick yet.
>>131306702>>131306797Nico*
Ah. I see we have an arrogant and counter productive "real goth" asshole in our midst. How droll. >>131305022For you to dismiss what I post in this manner... I was Goth when you were running down your Mom's thigh. I would refer you to the countless threads in the archive to find when I posted Goth classics. I've even posted Goth themed Hip Hop which would probably send you into some sort of seizure. Forgive me for trying to expand the umbrella a bit. OP asked for Industrial themed and that is what I posted
>>131306702I don't care about nobody's validation, unlike your insecure gay virtue signaling ass. A lot of major goth icons were against faggots like you and would likewise hate your retarded dirty ass. Terrible argument that works against you, retarded librul, since these ideologies have nothing to do with goth.>Goth is not a political ideology" while claiming it's white/straight/Christian lol.Because it's a fact it was based on straight white christian culture. That comment wasn't as an argument for goth politics, because they don't exist, just an example that says fuck you cringe gay faggot, and go be a faggot somewhere else since you want to bring that shit up.>>131306870>I was Goth when you were running down your Mom's thighName your top 5 personal goth band favorites.>Goth themed Hip HopNever mind, just kill yourself instead.
>>131306952>A lot of major goth icons were againstI don't think that's true and I don't think you could post a lot of examples of it. I posted an example of a major goth icon being supportive. Siouxsie later apologized for the swastika armband too.I'm not even gay. You're just annoying and stupid. You were the one who started repeatedly talking about gay stuff. I just mentioned your butthole in a non-gay way.>Because it's a fact it was based on straight white christian culture. >fact
>>131307190>I don't think that's trueWell you think sucking cocks is ok so nobody cares what YOU think. I posted an example of your major goth icon wearing a swastika. She wants you dead.>I'm not even gay. Then shut your gay ass up. Yes goth was based on white christian culture. No muslims/jews/buddhists made any of the cathedrals and cemeteries goths orbit. None of the philosophers and literature. It was all made in white christian europe with crosses everywhere. Gayass faggot go jump off a bridge.
>>131307257>no examples >ignoring she regretted the swastika armband >more spastic tantrumingNoice.
>>131307274>no examplesRead a book, retard.>ignoring she regretted the swastika armband Yes, she wore it when goth was established. Don't care about no politically correct PR she did after. She made a song about goat fucker pedos (your kind).>more spastic tantrumingThat's you. Probably caused by your terminal aids.
>>131307286>Read a book, retard.>still can't post an example>Don't care about no politically correct PR she did after.It's really convenient that you can just not care about something when it proves you wrong. Teach me. No goth is going to a cemetery because it's Christian. You're reaching so hard, I'm worried your shoulders might dislocate.>dude conservatism is so punk rocklol this has always been so corny
>>131307325>still can't post an exampleHistory of Europe, retard. Read a book.>It's really convenient that you can just not care about something when it proves you wrongLiterally you. You were all about her going to a gay club until I posted her wearing a swastika, then it got inconvenient for you and the damage control began.>No goth is going to a cemetery because it's Christian.Do you see goth themes and aesthetics pulled from christianity and nazis or muslims and communists?>dude conservatism is so punk rockWho are you quoting, gay retard?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5ooHJtMsGYBurning crosses on your lawn.
God. I can't keep up with this pissing match. At least they're bumping the thread.
>AI garbageYou should keep up with a bag of cyanide. Even the retardedass AI knows to put her in a cathedral.
Trolling this gay retard aside, I'm literally going to a wedding next week and I'm going to be the best man. The maid is going to be this """goth""" muslim bitch. Really need to keep my powerlevel in check so we don't have any casualties. I just know this bitch is gonna try and start an argument talmbout some muslims in goth and Slipknot being goth.
are tim burton's batman movies goth
>>131307527No.
>>131307527Dark Shadows however...
>>131309380I was trying to give you a chance and I randomly selected Vomir - Black Bag before calling you a stupid fucking retard. Not only is this shit not goth, but thank you for the literal and unironic ear rape you STUPID FUCKING RETARD.
>>131312016One of these covers is a drawing of your life.
170 HOLY FUCKLETS FUCKING GOOOO>>131307521lmao, that's atleast based, but which country you're from ?
every day is halloween getting trespassed out the graveyard
btw retards who are arguing in the thread, Refer to the links of the fucking thread, Literally everything about goth is there
>>131312935From anonymous website.>>131313024Btw fuck your revisionist links and kys yourself.
>>131286527I really feel like this style should have been better than it ended up being
>>131316536Thanks you sir
>>131309453For a guy who's so smart and is the final arbiter of all things Goth you'd think he'd know when he was talking to a bot.
David I know you’re in here you can’t get away from me
The predictable retard having a meltdown ITT is exactly why Andy called goths a bunch of stupid gits back in the day. He continues to be right.
>>131279469>6 tokenslol
>>131317941retard>>131318297retard
>>131306542You honestly did get owned here bud
Siouxsie loves me.
>>131306163Some critics were labeling Bauhaus as something along the lines of Black Sabbath for theatre kids. But then I would argue that Bauhaus is not musically goth either, more of an experimental art rock stuff what has more in common with Velvet Underground than with any of the latter goth rock bands.
Im gonna post some goth metal just to annoy retards ITT.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMABwdbAcwkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5ojz_Fcycohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjV0-sYa8EU
>>131321928And how would you argue that exactly?
>>131322013
>>131322019Have you actually listened to them? Their albums are weird as fuck with influences all over. Compare that with something as straightforward as The Sisters of Mercy or Fields of Nephilim.
>>131322013>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5ojz_Fcycogood stuff
>>131322028Here, some more.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7DCt2urErghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9qj71KW5oEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVl1x05aPNA
>>131322049You need to give some arguments in order to argue something.>>131322070Not clicking any of this garbage.
>>131322087I'm sorry for your autism.
>>131322105I'm sorry for your concession.
>>131322115I cant really discuss things with people who are struggling with understanding simple concepts such as figure of speech. Besides you've been sperging out the entire thread, I'm not going to entertain your autism.
>>131322134You can't discuss things because you post the lowest IQ takes and nobody is willing to humor you. You're a retard and a waste of time.
>>131322158I'm sorry for your autism.
>>131322171Post this 10 more times.
I love how the most popular Spanish band of all time is a goth rock band.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzimletXB7M
>>131322304Wish I could get my hair like this dude.
>>131322304Daaaamn first time I hear about a Goth spanish band, That's coolThey resemble Caifanes a lot
>>131322013Based gothic metal
>>131322070Very based, I'm OP, Gothic Metal is very welcome hereAlso Dark § Love and seduction is so fucking good
I like Boredoms and Ruins, is Lightning Bolt as good?
THIS IS COUNTER-CULTURE FROM THE UNDERGROUNDETERNAL REVOLUTION THIS IS OUR SOUND
>>131324484kmfdm sucks
Replying to yourself is extremely pathetic. Hope you realize this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REECLsCuM-0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v24Gt6dSH74https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OlTHOEfBCQ
>>131322070>69 eyesbasedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2-MrjAYFHU
>>131322028Wtf is this real?
>goth is white, straight and christianhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4P7QZygwuIStrange thing to say indeed.
>>131330194kys retard>>131331087This isn't goth plus would goth exist if white christian culture wasn't a thing? Was goth created in iran or israel or india? Goths don't wear crosses? Goths weren't 99.9% white? Retard.
>>131333082>goth legend such as Anna-Varney is not gothholy tourist jesus
>>131333363More like mental asylum legend you degenerate freak.
>>131333396>calling anyone degenerate while posting on 4chinsnot only retarded but hypocritical too
>>131333426>hurr durr le sekrit club we different do I fit in yet guiseYou just called yourself a degenerate lmao retard.
>>131333563>reddit spacinggo back and stay there
>>131333601That's not what reddit spacing is, retarded newfaggot. You don't fit in yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hod_ped-1rM&list=RDojvldIzbaMo&index=3Some Depeche mode
>>131333872Good stuff.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ID39oAUZWU
>>131333082>would goth exist if white christian culture wasn't a thing? Was goth created in iran or israel or india?My pure white European religion centered around a Jew born in the Middle East.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p_UbtreffI&list=RD7p_UbtreffI&start_radio=1What do you guys think about this masterpiece by Siouxsie
>>131224856Misfits is goth adjacent, but definitely not goth.
>>131334352>cherrypicking>>131334656It's aight.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njUUTNGQssI>>131337660kys
>>131306650>Goth is not a political ideology,I agree with that. >Cartoons can't be goth. Sure they can. Jhonen Vasquez's stuff was popular with goths. And he was long involved in the goth-industrial scene, people know him from hanging out with the guy at clubs.>I'm arguing based on historical evidence and events that shaped goth. You're arguing backwards. I'm telling you what goth is and how it came to be that way. I believe it's an aesthetic tradition which sprung off from Romanticism in the 19th century. The themes and aesthetic emerged back then, and were carried into popular music starting in the 1980s. Music is just a particular form or vehicle for it. But the actual substance of the art can take different forms (including literature, painting, and yes even cartoons). Also even during the 1980s the boundaries between goth and punk and new wave music were blurry. A lot of these people were listening to Ramones and Sex Pistols and stuff like that. I don't listen to autistic genre freaks to define things for me, and most of the people who do that aren't even musicians or artists in any way, instead they build identities around consumption habits.>>131306952>Because it's a fact it was based on straight white christian culture. Goth is pretty homoerotic, dude. The old-fashioned gothic literature was too. Like if you live in Victorian England and want to write about it, you just have closeted vampires biting guys who are also kind of attracted to it.>No muslims/jews/buddhists made any of the cathedrals and cemeteries goths orbit. Goths don't like living cathedrals but ruined ones. It can be many things from past that have been lost and abandoned in some kind of way, even 90s shopping malls which now look grotesque or alien to people from the present.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9c1Um74jFY&list=RDs-5mVUb1gqM&index=3Early Siouxsie is a fucking powerhouse
>>131306650>Goth is not a political ideology,Okay, but many of the people in the original UK goth scene shared a lot of the same left-leaning ideologies that were common in the punk scene from which they originally emerged. Didn't Siouxsie Sioux get knocked out by someone who saw her Nazi armband? That wouldn't have happened if she was hanging out in apolitical social circles.
>>131344401Origin of Gothic is not political
I made this Darkwave song recentlyhttps://open.spotify.com/album/2M17pJfq1N74a7yr7Oqoyy?si=amJjX5pQQcyxXUJL9milcw&utm_source=copy-link
>>131345132Are you talking specifically about the old UK goth scene of the early '80s that came out of thw original punk movement? Or are you focused on the early roots and inspirations for that scene? Because I know early UK goth (a.k.a. the reason how and why this thread exists) was tied directly to this thing called "positive punk" which was comprised of a bunch of gloomy post-punk bands with anarcho-punk politics.
Why are all of my social media algorithms feeding me fake slop garbage and why is music absent from all of it?It's giving me the ick.
masshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aI4vR8IzJI
into a circlehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Pxp7A-Wm_k
corpses as bedmateshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3eCDxxWcNo
Phaidiahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUUTmQFbJU8
sorrowhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_kpbXUd5o4
Anyone has some Eastern European post-punk ? Not Molchat Doma or Kino, Something from Serbia or some balkan shithole or the Baltics or even Siberia
>>131354450Luna and Ekatarina Velika spring to mind.Mizar is good if you like church music + goth music. Siberian post punk is good too.
>>131306952You are arguing with a brick wall, this is just what liberals do. They incessantly homogenize everything so that it can more easily be commodified and benefit their capitalist masters. They are like a virus that just operates on pure programming there is no thought involved.
>>131354678Luna are an indie rock band I guess ?Also what are Siberian post punk bands lolThanks for suggestions tho
Anyone knows North African post punk bands?
>>131354678>Ekatarina Velikaholy fuck thanks you so much for this band, This is so fucking peak
>>131354884Who the fuck are you calling Liberal?Do you even know who you're responding to anymore?
>>131348919I'm talking about the concept of Gothic, Not the Goth, But the Goth movement was politic, Only it was more composed than its counterpart the punk
>>131345132Thematically gothic stuff is very introspectional and inward-facing and doesn't run on the kind of outward anger that punk rock does. Industrial music gets very political though but it's more like dystopian cyberpunk ahh I'm being exploited type stuff.https://youtu.be/ZIlz0ENQsR0
A lot of late-80s/early-90s industrial music reminds me of the visual artist Georg Jutvall.https://youtu.be/dhmuunOnpJo
AND DON'T FORGET WHEN YOUR ELDERS FORGETTO SAY THEIR PRAYERSTAKE THEM BY THE LEGSAND THROW THEM DOWN THE STAIRS
>>131358707based
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXVSSC88cmI&list=RDEMwph1tabE4wbeOF2SB6LgWw&start_radio=1This band is very underrated
Buuuump
>>131367200>fun music>nine inch nails downward spiralhmm
>>131333082I've been lurking but it's crazy anyone would disagree with this, the visual and lyrical style of goth is 100% inspired by European history and religion, specifically the Christian religion. Perhaps the sound of goth could exist without white people. But the themes, mood, and especially aesthetic could only be the result of Europeans. I don't even have a problem with black people being goth, but there's no need to be logically inconsistent just for ideological reasons.
>>131354450https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18Ku0EaiS88
Hot take: It's better than Lucifuge
It's genuinely hard being a goth boy in Morocco, Can't literally find any Post-punk venues or people who know the same shit
>>131374772hey at least you have naturally black hair though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFJfyH5o_vg&list=RDxFJfyH5o_vg&index=1I wish i could do shit like this, I just need a better camera video
>>131374837I wanna dye it blonde lol
>>131354450Paraf is pretty basedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7lg0War9Kghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJthvb0-MOA
Based. Right wing goths are taking over and putting faggot leftists in their place
>>131375647coolest fucking music video
>>131378206>jake munro>gothemo kid from the uk cosplaying jared leto's joker and larping as an americankek
>>131378206I'm not a leftist nor a right retard, But the dude is not a goth
>>131375647they have a great drummer. listening to the full album now.
>>131381307Yeah great band
I genuinely want to venture into the mountains of Kazakhstan or some post-soviet country and try to find obscure post-punk albums
Nox Novaculahttps://youtu.be/BnsGU_piYf8?is=FqzdEwmpFo6_LzGRPurple Fog Sidehttps://youtu.be/VjP2B35E1cM?is=qBV3dZBL2CA8F8-uBloody Dead & Sexyhttps://youtu.be/orHUIBuVKoo?is=Ff5EMUmkYVuWN7YP
>>131378187Peak, Thanks youBalkans really make good Post-Punk
>>131381664return of the king
>>131381664>Nox Novacula>https://youtu.be/BnsGU_piYf8?is=FqzdEwmpFo6_LzGRgewd
>>131381664>>131381847https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl0x8_-gisE&list=RDWJBjFdk0sSk&index=12I love this Nox song so much
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMPn7YADkdY&list=RDcMPn7YADkdY&start_radio=1Now if this isn't the coolest shit
>>131389669Rabbit Junk is good thobeit
>>131389669>mall goth is notable for its generally unpretentious nature and unabashed edginess, in stark comparison to gothic rock’s morbid woe-is-me introspection. ironically, one could argue that many widely mocked bands favorited by moody teenagers in the 1990s are more self-aware than most post-punk bands beloved by self-proclaimed intellectuals.i like a lot of bands from this but the person who made it still seems like a butthurt holier than thou pseud. also plenty of moody teenagers in the 1990s were the ones mocking some of these bands without being post-punk intellectuals.
>>131383042cool riff
>>131306952>A lot of major goth icons were against faggots like you and would likewise hate your retarded dirty ass.Peter Steele, that Twitch streamer with the "I like turtles" makeup, and who else?It seems pretty self-defeating for a subculture the served as a haven for freaks, weirdos and outcasts to also have a large contingent of homophobes.
>>131389697shhhh, /mu/ doesn't deserve to know about them
Some Classics?Alien Sex Fiendhttps://youtu.be/VJnobHmlicU?is=GzMwbtx60Q5KlwmEChristian Deathhttps://youtu.be/vzYLV2nWyQ8?is=JUZ1A8S0280flc7ILords of the New Church https://youtu.be/kDmlYjD-kKg?is=OGzofxDbYKkUI6Js>>131381825Actually more like The Desolation of Smaug atm >>131393271Chiming in on this, it was always well known that there were a lot of LGBTQ people in the scenes I was involved with. Bought Acid from a goth tranny at clubs in Houston. Owner of a goth club I loved in Germany was gay. It wasn't a big deal.
It says (Any) WaveThe Psychedelic Furshttps://youtu.be/C7IcZto8VXo?is=EiWrec2PQcyYV-8JMissing Personshttps://youtu.be/IasCZL072fQ?is=Y99Dnb-E9JKnm423Blancmangehttps://youtu.be/QW_m8lhZbQQ?is=xicFyGjBOOQ74kf0
