Manuel Ponce editionhttps://youtu.be/_jHhyspuhYAThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>131231153
Sibelius Symphony No. 8
Might spend the next few days listening solely to recordings from Martyn Brabbins' discography. He's got quite an eclectic selection of late romantic, modern, and late-20th century English composers.
Yeah
almost posted a recording from a composer I just discovered and right before I hit submit, I sampled the piece and turns out it's some post-Schoenberg avant-screechcore, phew! close call!
top 5 SymphoniesBeethoven Symphony No. 10Schubert Symphony No. 7Chopin Symphony No. 1Bach Symphony No. 1Sibelius Symphony No. 8
Lyapunovhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAwfZTpTZbQ&list=OLAK5uy_mS4kADnVsfbMvRKC79SI_cthy9mQuqHSk&index=1
>>131265195>glenn gould>sibeliusAnon you did it you found the worst pile of shit ever
>>131265233wait that's illegal
Ugorskaja's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVS67F_QUW4&list=OLAK5uy_nIJHUrK-8LOqlpre09Evv2dJBIvi7l2iA&index=13
>>131265282I didn’t realize Cuddy from House performed Bach keyboard music
for me? it's Schubert's 10th, the best fake symphony
Goddamn I love Romanticism concertos.
for me? it's Schubert who has better piano and chamber work than Beethoven
>>13126539832 masterpiece piano sonatas, anon. 32!! and then the Archduke and Ghost piano trios, Kreutzer violin sonata, the cello sonatas, the string quartets... sorry anon but it's not a contest. Beethoven is in his own tier in this regard.
>>131265449>32 piano sonatas Only like half are worth relistening Also Schuberts impromptus...
>>131265483I counter with the Bagatelles and Diabelli Variations. Hey, Schubert is like a 9, 9.5 in the genres you named. Beethoven happens to be the 10/10 he's up against.
MacDowellhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku8Pe2mIDck&list=OLAK5uy_kgTQfHg_NuNHGtRZgr1E7wooloTS53mb4&index=1
This thumbnail cracks me up. Yeah, just throw in a random hot chick to draw in viewers and give listeners something to look at.
Gotterdammerung nighthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6e-NJOgbfQ&list=OLAK5uy_mW9kgJgXdBv6xR56T0vu7lRlFy8bflDlA&index=125
now listening NO i'm not gonna link it for you, you lazy fuck, also i don't use youtube for music, so go fuck yourself, retard.
how to cope with being shite at music?
I don't know anything about Debussy other than Arabs and The Lune, where should I start and what should I check out by him
>>131266797Complete Piano Works - Gieseking, Ciccolini or RogeTrois Nocturnes / Jeux / La Mer - Haitink/Royal Concertgebouw OrchestraOrchestral Music - Boulez/Philharmonia/Cleveland OrchestraPrélude à L'après-midi D'un Faune - Beecham/Royal PhilharmonicComplete Orchestral Works - Martinon/Orchestre National De L'ORTFFantaisie For Piano & Orchestra - Kocsis/Fischer/Budapest Festival OrchestraString Quartet In G Minor - Quartetto ItalianoViolin Sonata / Cello Sonata / Sonata for Flute, Viola & Harp / etc. - Boston Symphony Chamber PlayersPelléas et Mélisande - Karajan/Berlin PhilharmonicLe Martyre De Saint Sébastien - MTT/London Symphony OrchestraSongs, Vols. 1-4 (Hyperion)
>>131266797images for piano bk. 1, and preludes bk. 1 to begin with. also his cello sonata.
>>131266130Based, also fuck you nigger.>>131266797Debussy is gay as fuck, listen to Couperin instead.https://youtu.be/2vcIhOvPyb0Couperin wrote character pieces before it was cool and NOT in a gay anime cunt style.
>>131265449>32 masterpiece piano sonatasHalf of them maybe.
>>131266797https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jzl-lQPhnxw
Why is Baroque music so bouncy?
>>131267198Baroque was jazz before jazz, it's very improvisatory, and improvisation in /classical/ is a lost art. All the greats were masters at improvisation.https://youtu.be/7pwaKvwF4xQ
>>131265531>Beethoven happens to be the 10/10No he doesn't.
Bach morninghttps://youtu.be/7SwF2gLZPkQ?si=o96v-xVXZ9CuqQZn
What is the best song cycle in English?
If it was scientifically proven that the first movement of this piece was the highest, most profound effort by human mind after Newton/Leibniz inventing calculus, Darwin discovering evolution or Poincare/Einstein discovering special/general relativity, I would believe it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skEZnUIbZgA
>>131267903>>131267755Both of these videos are unlistenable
>>131265150Can someone rip this Bach Cello Suites recording please? Can't find it.https://classical.music.apple.com/gb/album/377037349
https://voca.ro/12By1Orq4XwfHere's a little piece I've been working on, music based on a hike. Strings mostly so far. Had a long pause since last time and I feel I've cluttered things now. I still don't master the symphony orchestra program either. Thought I'd share this anyway. This is all by ear so I'd like to hear your thoughts if you have any
>>131268260never post here again you disgusting faggot retard.
>>131265323Berio's Rendering is probably my favorite Schubert Symphony>>131266177practice
Chopin 3rd sonata - first movement battle:Cortot vs Tiegerman vs Koczalski vs Rosenthal vs Hofmann ? I'd say Rosenthal is the worst, gotta be one of his worst takes unfortunately. He was 77 by then, probably why it sounds a bit wonky. Other movements are good though. I bet real connoisseurs prefer Tiegerman above all and it's a pretty safe choice, he's pretty straightforward, very few mannerisms, but for me, Cortot is unbeatable. Maybe it's not really the performance but the piano and recording itself that makes it so good, but his lyricism is still so distinctively beautiful in the second theme. Slower tempo allows him to play more freely. More inégalité, rubato, variety in tempo.
Who is your favorite non-canonical composer?
>>131268384>real connoisseursThey prefer Perahia.
>>131265150I'm listening to Handel's Stabat Mater.https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l6mqRrAjr17AyrfOIonviKxmSKovmZcBw&playnext=1&index=1
>>131268535nobody cares. fuck off.
>>131268260always post here again you attractive chad genius.
>>131268566don't encourage it.
>>131268566Yeah, don't encourage creating things. This is a consumer general.
>>131268502What's a non-canonical composer?
>>131268584indeed. we correctly recognize that at least 99% of people simply lack the judgement and aptitude to make an artwork of any value.
>>131268599A composer who isn't canonical.
>>131268599Liszts transcriptions.
>>131268502Weinberg, Atterberg, George Lloyd, the list goes on...
>>131268926Who is this "Liszts transcriptions"?
>>131268599Busoni
>>131268502Chabrier.
Fooking classical has ruined my playlists on youtube
Vagn Holmboehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tba8v54xZaA&list=OLAK5uy_nYPRqmhtRNojNSqgYEC0TvcliGI_HyGwI&index=1
>>131269804>Mike Love You deserve trash
>>131269804lol I know the feel, sometimes happens to me on YouTube Music when I'm listening to pop/rock when I'm out. No, I do NOT want to go from Interpol to the second movement of Mahler's 5th, thank you very much.
Holmboe's Requiem for Nietzschehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__B1b8jgFmw&list=OLAK5uy_lFlkgDGw77w71CQbVpB2S2O05eCPFTpgE&index=1
>>131268504Perahia is not even a choice among the connoisseurs. Although he's better than most modernists, I'll give you that.
>>131268384UCHIDACHIDAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up-XOE2tqOk
Beethoven's Piano Sonata No. 30, Op. 109, has the power to save the worldhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxN0Xf_axMk
>>131269996Kek
>not listening to living composersdo you *actually* like music, or just pretend to?
>>131270472I do when I can. I just wish there was an easier way to find recordings of contemporary pieces.
now playing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VMUd7XRHns
>>131270472What has that got to with liking music
>not playing an instrument and being part of an amateur chamber ensembledo you *actually* like music, or just pretend to?
>>131270581I just like neatly arranged notes on paper
>>131270472No, I don't like music. Fuck you, bitch.
>>131270529>I just wish there was an easier way to find recordings of contemporary pieces.Look at record labels or orchestras, there are plenty dedicated exclusively/mainly to this e.g. Neuma Records, RMN Classical, NMC Recordings, Ensemble Intercontemporain, Ensemble Recherche.>>131270567Just being provocative, because I find it a bit sad that many people don't experience a lot of the range of aesthetic experiences that sound can provide.
>>131270712>many people don't experience a lot of the range of aesthetic experiences that sound can provide.Yeah, they don't even listen to ambient music, EDM, rock etc. I'm sure you don't either, so you really have nothing to complain about.
>>131270712if you are ever provocative again I will find and kill you
I do just pretend to like music
>>131271413based
>>131271413>t. Scriabinfag
>>131268502does Anton Eberl count? If so, him.https://youtu.be/zDDRPZ9Duog?si=i357ci7BE7U70mne>>131272507kek
One day Dvorak's Stabat Mater will get its duehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaKhp6voYdw
>>131272761i guess some non-canonical composers are non-canonical for a reason.
>>131269678he's canonical
>>131273555Nah. He literally has one hit. One hit composers aren't canonical.
I just love music
>>131275027doesn't matter, he's still really important, arguably underrated nowadays given his importance
>>131275185Whether he's important and underrated (which I agree with) has no bearing on his status as a canonical composer. You have a bunch of medieval and renaissance composers that were important but are non-canonical. Meyerbeer and Raff were two of the most known composers of their time but nobody listens to them now. Chabrier has one hit and that's it, none of his other works are even semi-regularly programmed or recorded, therefore he's a non-canonical composer. It's unfair, but that's how it is.
What are your favorite interpretations of Pavane pour une infante défunte? I haven't heard many but I really like this for how gentle it sounds.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeQ9HAKZXa8
>>131276194If you like gentle, this one that came out last year by Cho is crazy popularhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8aM1_ugYu4&list=OLAK5uy_mf8AKPBWF5KXmASboFLbIcqZsCW_4hrCc&index=3As for me, I like my Ravel with more clarity, so Bavouzet's first sethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PgSY9Gyh4Q&list=OLAK5uy_n4oXvP23jHFxWRyMuNV7rZcyWSBuI60DY&index=33and in case you want to go full 20th century, there's Lortiehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3wT1ihzvfk&list=OLAK5uy_k35_klK4PO4hu84Cf2o9AMansUk5AykG4&index=1
it's a comfy rainy morninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqmTyDB17Ig>>131273470true
Speaking of Pavane, there's not a single good interpretation of Fauré's op. 50 other than his own piano rollhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqEgbmNcNww
>>131276217Thanks. The Cho one sounds pleasant. Am I hearing more reverb than usual? It sounds a bit airy. The Bavouzet one I actually like as well. The contrast between the gentle lower notes and the clear melody is nice. It just flows nicely. As for Lortie, it sounds rhythmically more jerky to me. It throws me off a little, was this kind of playing common in the 20th?
>>131276438>As for Lortie, it sounds rhythmically more jerky to me. It throws me off a little, was this kind of playing common in the 20th?Lortie is emphasizing the modernist, dissonant aspects of the music. It's anti-romantic, anti-warmth, basically.
>>131276449I see. I enjoy dissonance and romanticism, but separately, so it didn't click for me.
>>131276345>there's no good interpretation of this very popular piece apart from this particular shitty piano roll recording where the dynamics, pedaling, touch and color are completely absent... I am very smartNobody cares, pseud.
>>131275259I don't think the standard repertory is strictly synonymous with canonical.
>>131275040>t. Scriabinfag
>>131276880I guess that's a good point, yeah.
>>131276881Kek
now playingstart of MacDowell: Piano Sonata No.1 in G Minor, Op. 45 "Tragica"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbpAwB768mY&list=OLAK5uy_lrlckGyg-chTXo_e5pFCN3CWlq3STUav4&index=2start of MacDowell: Piano Sonata No. 2 in G Minor, Op. 50 "Eroica"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aciWcYDw_8&list=OLAK5uy_lrlckGyg-chTXo_e5pFCN3CWlq3STUav4&index=6start of MacDowell: Woodland Sketches, Op. 51https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYIkszX4eC8&list=OLAK5uy_lrlckGyg-chTXo_e5pFCN3CWlq3STUav4&index=9https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lrlckGyg-chTXo_e5pFCN3CWlq3STUav4I'm always down for lesser-known piano sonatas and solo piano pieces in general. Like many here, I was only familiar with MacDowell's two piano concertos before this. Hopefully this is good! If it is, I'll explore the rest of his stuff.>A multiplicity of cultural influences makes the figure of Edward MacDowell (1860-1908), an American pianist-composer trained for a long time in Europe, particularly original. Born in New York, he received his first lessons from Colombian, Cuban and Venezuelan musicians, including the famous pianist Teresa Carreño... He was listened to by Clara Schumann and Franz Liszt, and was introduced by the latter to the publisher Breitkopf & Härtel in Leipzig. In 1888 he returned to the United Sates where he settled in Boston, combining his work as a composer with that of a concert pianist... Much of MacDowell's compositional output dates from this happy period, including two piano concertos, two orchestral suites, four symphonic poems, several piano suites, Songs, four piano sonatas and numerous piano transcriptions of 18th-century music. Macdowell's sources of inspiration are to be found in German romanticism, both poetic (Goethe, Heine) and musical (Mendelssohn, Schumann and Brahms), combined with a predilection for Nordic sagas, establishing a Celtic Revival (MacDowell's had Irish and Scottish origins).1860-1908. Huh, always thought he lived later.
>>131270039I liked it
Which set of Beethoven's piano sonatas are you listening through right now, anon? You ARE always in the process of listening to one, right, anon?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o63Or8PdKMk&list=OLAK5uy_lCQxCiMNASNrGpPkCcTkaxLvJbWDIkrPc&index=44
>>131277047Thoughts so far: a bit formally simple, but undeniably charming. I think most anons here would enjoy this, despite not making it onto anyone's list of favorites. Check it out!
Did the London Symphony do any worthwhile recordings besides Star Wars?
>>131277350you mean like all the stuff john williams shamelessly ripped off?
>>131277350I like Jochum's beethoven cycle with LSONot my favorite cycle, but enjoyable
>Dave, do you think we should hire a pianist for your birthday?>Sure, that would make it a surprise parti-ta*laughtrack*
>>131277350The LSO? Uh, yeah, a ton. Surely we must be misinterpreting your question.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2evobG9fJEs&list=OLAK5uy_n-z9_k--t_q6lZfpiE5kQ28BcDfq8zK4g&index=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3GaF06xaIw&list=OLAK5uy_kN2GoZXNN8yyc_Cc3CABagolRbiRSQ4KM&index=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuvhc_hT8rA&list=OLAK5uy_njEbIn93wDhbT4eZNDEqOTVtaMjgOux6A&index=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxddh0jGJmY&list=OLAK5uy_nlTPTt857RXy0S_emPKK2j5DZSc8i-IEw&index=1
>>131277451Being inspired by something =/= ripping off
>Yo, Dave, check out the new girl.>Damn! Who is she?>Donna. She's a pianist.>I sure would love to Hammer-her-klavier.*laughtrack*
>>131277555i know that's why i said he ripped them off
>So, Dave, I heard you have a degree in Music Composition. Where did you graduate?>Stanford. You could say they're my Alma Mahler.*laughtrack*
is there ever a point in listening to a long piece of music if it doesn't have an amazing theme/motif?
>>131277719This is precisely what the modernists debunked. There is also atmosphere, mood, texture, sometimes playful form which is of interest to musicians, music theorists, or those who just want something new.For the former, see the works of Allan Pettersson.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cou4gP8cBcshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LCLAzIO6y8For the latter, see this piano sonata by Charles Ives (probably not of interest to most people, myself included)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNClpXXb7cw
>>131277580Dave is gay. He probably jerks off to Makela like me.
>>131277095I started going through Brendel's 90s set but thought it kinda sucked, do I am not currently listening to any.
>>131277763those have some great themes and motifs, anonymous
>>131277605okay, that one got me
my brain is too small to hear all the five simultaneous motifs at the end of the Jupiter symphony. It just sounds like noise by that point.
Saw the biggest spider I've seen in a long time in my room somewhere so now I can't get comfortable and listen to classical music. Sad.
>>131278037Atkinson has a video on it. You hear it better once you read the score, especially when themes are outlined. Note that they're not exactly the same themes, but motivically derived from them.
Bruckner 9 > Mahler 9
>>131278481>Cucknersolid B-tier composer, nowhere near as great as Mahler
>>131278481obviously. mahler's orhestration is just corny
>>131278564Mahler is 10 times more firetruck than bruckner though.
>>131278481And other hilarious jokes you can tell yourself
>>131278599*tips fire helmet*i'm not so sure
>>131277936:D
>>131277881I always forget, is that the Decca one or the Philips one? I get them mixed up.
>>13127859910 times as better for sure.No Bruckner symphony is good from beginning to end, he was such a half-assed tard. Unlike Mahler, who has at least 5 nearly perfect symphonies (and greatest symphonies of all times easily).
Haydn 99 > Bruckner 9 or Mahler 9
>>131278768implying anyone can tell any of Haydn's London symphonies apart
>>131278750Bruckner's 4th, 7th, 8th and 9th are perfect from beginning to end
>>131278777oh i'ts got something all of us here can recognizehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjmT2joURLY
>>131278789>Bruckner's... 7th [is] perfect from beginning to endlol yeah, no. Nobody thinks that. You don't even believe that. The first half is divine. The second half is noisy filler.
>>131278823Filtered
>>131278791sublime, Papa Haydn does it again
>>131278768Mozart 41 > all
Bruckner wrote better symphonies than mahler because bruckner actually wrote symphonies, not concert programs of tone poems
>>131278926muh formal rules. bet you think poetry has to rhyme and follow a meter. this isn't the 19th century, gramps
>>131278960>blah blah blahMahler didnt write symphonies, he wrote good tone poems, but putting them one after another does not a symphony make
>>1312787899th is not even finished and the rest are deeply flawed, especially 4th and 7th.
>>131279032Both are perfect, 9th is perfect as well even missing the final movement
Would all the repeats in Mozart's and Haydn's symphonies be observed in their time?
>>131279690obviously? you can see them right on the score
>destroys /classical/
>>131268257First one https://mega.nz/file/ct0VhRYS#JUbdUl9aFRwgsFM5VBbDdGPMPZRuNyD6ISzqz9uQGNk
If I had to pick a single movement/scene to get someone into opera, I'd choose this one from Tannhauserhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_I5IWto1aY&list=OLAK5uy_k1VOKTJtEEGwTltjdOtQkgnzVpaqm7m-g&index=13You just can't not like that if you're human, have ears, and a soul.
>>131280685The younger version of you would turn back and say "Naah, not for me. But hey, maybe someday."
>>131280929Delete your psych profile of me NOW
>>131280942As you wish, Mr. "Nocturnal Emissary".
>>131280979I've been thinking of hitting that girl up so I can excise some of my demons but I have doubts she'll be down, especially since I already tried that two years ago and I blew it at the very end.
>>131280929And hey, it's a better mindset than "anything I don't like, particularly something whose dislike may be more due to my lack of familiarity than any intrinsic flaw, sucks"
>>131281014It sounds more like "Uh, someday I'll force myself to enjoy it through torture and pain"
>>131281061Tastes can't change or develop? It's not like I've hated opera since I was a young boy.
>>131281082Tastes can change, but you can't always begin to like something you hate. In fact, you might even begin to dislike something you liked before too.
>>131281127All I'm sayin' is I keep an open-mind. Plus it depends why one hate something. Again, there's a difference between having discrete reasons and thinking it just doesn't sound good, the latter of which is often due to unfamiliarity.
Schubert 9 > all
I am venturing into Mahler. His 2nd symphony impresses me as a large and cavernous piece with some lovely passages.
Johann Baptist Joseph Maximilian Regerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzfB7j5HJiIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7SM5yua444https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C1cqQUwRqghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjfyIAMdCB4>Reger structured the text in four movements, as a choral symphony. He scored it for a four-part choir with often divided voices, a large symphony orchestra, and organ. He requested additional brass players for the climax in the last movement when four trumpets and four trombones play the melody of Luther's chorale "Ein feste Burg ist unser Gott". Reger used both late-Romantic features of harmony and dynamics, and polyphony in the Baroque tradition, culminating in the final movement, a double fugue with the added instrumental cantus firmus.>The biographer Eugen Segnitz wrote in 1922 that the work was not only unique in the composer's work, but in the sacred music of its period, with a rare intense power of expression ("intensive Ausdruckskraft") and a convincing musical exegesis of the biblical text, as well as its turns and manifold shades of emotion ("überzeugende musikalische Auslegung des biblischen Textes, wie auch seiner Wendungen und mannigfaltigen Gefühlsschattierungen"). A reviewer of a recording noted the work's "quasi-symphonic sequence" and its "balanced overall shape which brings musical satisfaction even though the choral-orchestral presentation is at times somewhat unrelenting". Eidenbenz noted that Reger achieved a direct expressivity of the smallest entities of material ("unmittelbare Expressivität kleinster Materialteile"), and saw in this "atomization" and relentless modulation a modern radicality ("moderne Radikalität"). He then wrote:"Expressivity instead of understandability, the intention of a shock wave making the audience a relief, relentless modulation, external opulence and inner calculated logic, the naïve and unquestioned naturalness of his music ..." Eidenbenz noted how these elements also characterize Reger's life.
>>131282073how do I keep fucking up the quotes
>>131282073>>131282083>It was not until relatively late in his artistic career that Max Reger decided to set a sacred text as a choral symphony. On 24 January 1902 he wrote to the critic and musicographer Theodor Kroyer, “It will perhaps interest you to know that I’m now working on Psalm 149 for eight-part chorus with full orchestra and organ.” This does not imply, however, that he was occupied with its musical elaboration: he first made an intensive study of the original psalm text, “Hallelujah! Sing unto the Lord a new song.” More than ten years earlier he had already given thought to setting a psalm (Psalm 6, “O Lord, rebuke me not in thine anger”) for the modest forces of mezzo-soprano, violin, and organ (he would later set the same psalm, minus some of its verses, in the like-named a cappella motet op. 110, no. 2). Nor did anything come of Psalm 149: he first had to postpone the project in order to complete Gesang der Verklärten (Song of the Transfigured, op. 71). But the idea of setting Psalm 149 remained in his mind for several years; his final reference to the text dates from June 1907. It was not until the end of that year that he abandoned the plan to set this text and asked his friend Karl Straube for a new one.
>Psalm 100 was immediately accepted, and its composition proceeded all the more rapidly in view of its prospective performance during the 350th anniversary celebrations of the University of Jena. The university’s music director, Fritz Stein (1879–1961), had been an acquaintance of Reger’s since 1904 and was now a close friend, even serving as the godfather of his first child, Max Martin, in late 1907. Nothing stood in the way of a productive and inspiring period of compositional labor. The first section of the psalm was planned for Jena, and its elaboration occupied Reger from 24 April to early June 1908: “The psalm is anything but easy, but it proceeds in Tempo maestoso, so that all the coloraturas (not cholera turas) have to be done in toto – and the chorus is always supported by the organ or orchestra! […] Please, whatever you do, say the following to the privy councilors: I have not given them an occasional work, but a genuine Reger!” (letter of 6 May 1907, with Reger’s idiosyncratic emphasis).
>Over the next six weeks Stein, using ad hoc performance material from Breitkopf & Härtel, had to rehearse intensively with the ensembles involved: the Jena Academic Chorus, the Singing Fraternity of St. Paul’s, and organist Kurt Gorn from the orchestra of the 71st Infantry Regiment of Erfurt, reinforced by members of the Weimar Court Orchestra. Reger asked Stein for “extra rehearsals to the brink of exhaustion” (13 June) or even “100000000000000000 rehearsals” (24 June), for “the psalm must be brilliant, so that everyone will be knocked off their feet! […] After it’s over the listeners must be stuck to the wall like a relief; I want the psalm to be earth-shaking in its impact! So please be so kind and make it happen!” Reger was highly satisfied with the festive performance given in the Town Church on 31 July. His reputation was further boosted by the award of an honorary Ph.D. during an official ceremony in the People’s House. Besides the first section of Psalm 100, another work from Reger’s pen was premièred on that occasion: Weihegesang (Song of Consecration, WoO V/6) for contralto, mixed chorus, and wind orchestra, for the inauguration of the new university building.
*deletes movements II and III*Ahh, now it's perfect.
>>131282403Ruins the expansiveness.
>>131282403Whoops I meant 4 and 5 sorry about that
>>131282403III is the only interesting movement in that symphony, though.
Beethoven https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIKOY2GRwZI&list=OLAK5uy_moYMz31N2nGudyFBCfkyLu5-7iD7S6UDo&index=28
>>131282123This is like a paragraph from some maximalist postmodern novel.
>>131282487speak on that
>>131282534no
The problem with Max Reger is there aren't any recordings of his works by top-tier conductors and orchestras.
>>131282770yes there are, what you mean is that there aren't any recordings by conductors and orchestras you've been taught to idolize
>>131282781I guess Horst Stein and Blomstedt have both done the Violin Concerto and Serkin/Ormandy have done the piano concerto. Yet none of these have an individual release or reissue, which shows how little faith the labels have in it.
Max Regerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CBkJ_V4gJY&list=OLAK5uy_l-siGxRjpw42K3TE3ZSrpQ0ReI_TOL8Ps&index=1
>>131282817>that picHe certainly wasn't Mini Reger.
>my favorite composer is Max RegerWhat type of person do you imagine?
>>131282877Idk but if I heard that I would genuinely snidely chuckle with a raised eyebrow of a quizzical nature.
>>131282797>label money is what defines qualitygenuinely hearbreaking
>>131282877Schonberg
>>131282446kike
>>131282929I mean it's not a horrible indicator. Look here >>131282817 Blomstedt relegated to a third-tier label because the guys at DG and Decca and Hyperion and Sony laughed in his face when he said he wanted to record Reger's Violin Concerto. The guys at Berlin Classics heard the name Blomstedt and said "sure, whatever you want!" Then the fact they never reissued it is another strike. The Horst Stein one was also released on a third-tier label before DG used it on their box set. The Serkin/Ormandy Piano Concerto came out on Columbia, but again, don't think it ever got reissued. Now, this is obviously in addition to my own judgments of the works. It just goes to show I'm not alone in my opinion. I hate to be this harsh against a lesser known composer, because generally I always support them, but man, I do not like those concertos.
>>131281489Close, Schubert’s 10th (Berio Rendering) edges it out just barely.
reminder: there are people in this thread RIGHT NOW who think Faure was a better melodist than Chopin.sad.Check out these two Faure Nocturnes, they don't even have a melodyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpudkw5p_ds&list=OLAK5uy_nGhxCZqGQ-r8MSPLXw2W54L3t6KUtbxuw&index=10https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZX1gg6-cjE&list=OLAK5uy_nGhxCZqGQ-r8MSPLXw2W54L3t6KUtbxuw&index=11No Chopin Nocturne stoops so low.
>>131283003>I worship Mammon, and Mammon's PriestsI know
>>131283017so you're deaf is what you're saying
>>131283017does it bother you that your tastes hold no special value to anyone
>>131265195wow this is really something.
>>131282534it's because the number is written out in unreadably long numeral form instead of just saying one hundred quadrillion (yes i checked)
>>131283855and a handful of missing points on a number that was written down in pen-and-paper correspodence means that this >>131282123 perfectly ordinary paragraph appears to you as "from some maximalist postmodern novel".
>>131284105yeah those guys can be pretty sloppy at times
>>131267198Coffee
>>131283017No one who has listened to both thinks Fauré was a better melodist or that Fauré's nocturnes are better lol. Fauré tards just tend to be obnoxious cultists who can't really judge quality of art, arriving at conclusions from backwards, and I'm saying that as the biggest Fauré fan here.
>>131283017>Faure was a better melodist than ChopinNobody has ever said this. Not surprised your reading comprehension is as shit as your taste, and you're STILL butthurt about people liking Fauré nocturnes.>>131285309You too.
>>131285309Interesting mental gymnastics at play when you say there's no possible way of someone preferring Fauré's music to Chopin's, and then proceed to call Fauré fans "cultists".>I'm saying that as the biggest Fauré fan hereSure, sure.
>>131285395>>131285426Case in point.
>>131285515What point? You have no point.
>Me and the boys still posting in /classical/ over a decade after peak /mu/ died
>>131285968>gentlemen, it's been a privilege shitposting with you tonight
Fauréhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEwDRNKxH9o
Fauréhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SvQXzvHmB4
Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9d7nSC7Z14
>>131286565>>131286581Gay
Fauréhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMwcmX7bOxo
if mozart died before he became a freemason would he still be a giant?
>>131286654No. He would still be more popular than Haydn, but neither composers nor people would recognize him as Beethoven's equal.
>>131286710damn i wonder what kind of juice they gave him
>>131286719The juice juice.
The more I listen to Fauré, the more laughable the comparison with Chopin becomes. Chopin spent his entire career trapped inside a single instrument, producing sissy, effeminate salon music for Parisian drawing rooms, while Fauré mastered the piano, chamber music, and vocal music, and then wrote one of the greatest Requiems just to complete the humiliation.Even within Chopin's pianist fiefdom, Fauré beats him at his specialty. No more is this obvious than in the nocturnes. Chopin discovers a tune, repeats it a few times, decorates it with increasingly elaborate right-hand filigree, realizes he has nowhere left to go, then proceeds to bang the keyboard with loud octaves or empty scale runs. So much for the nocturne. Even he couldn't escape the cliches of his time. Wagner's old crack about Chopin being a composer for the right hand becomes funnier by the day.And where did all those pretty melodies come from anyway? The man spent his Paris years inhaling Italian opera like oxygen. Half the works he heard have disappeared so thoroughly from the repertoire that Chopinfags can now safely call every suspiciously Bellinian cantilena an inexplicable manifestation of his transcendent melodic genius. Very convenient. The evidence has practically deleted itself!Meanwhile, Fauré writes as though wasting the listener's time were a moral failure. His music possesses sustained depth, seriousness and nobility; it is harmonically original, melodically rich and astonishingly economical. Nothing is there just because the fingers happen to enjoy doing it. His music doesn't "develop" by putting the melody in a louder octave and spraying arpeggios over it; it develops organically. There is something almost Brahmsian about the compositional logic, except filtered through Fauré's uniquely weightless, elusive harmonic language.Chopin composed cute piano music. Fauré was a great composer. There are levels to this shit. Some of them, in the end, only men will understand.
>>131286899>His music possesses sustained depth, seriousness and nobility; it is harmonically original, melodically rich and astonishingly economical.Words more ambiguous were never spoken!Fauré lacks not only the main driving force of the nocturne - which is lyricism - but the organic flow. His constant juxtaposition hints to his lack of long-term scheming. Fauré's harmony in the late period in as bland as any non-functional harmony. It loses its direction once the function is gone. One of the funniest remarks you made is how Fauré shies away from masculine drama, yet Chopin is the 'sissy' - LOL. Exact opposite! Fauré is quite literally Chopin on estrogen.Wagner also made positive comments on Chopin and he owes his entire career to the harmonic developments by Chopin, but enough about subjects you don't understand.Also you listening to Fauré demonstrates your lack of sensibility to interpretation. Fauré has absolute 0 (zero) great interpreters. Enough said.
>>131286899Kek, based. Sissy Chopinfags continue to seethe.
Faure crybabies on it again, looks like >>131285309 was right after all
Chopin crybabies on it again, looks like >>131286899 was right after all
The Faurécuck is falseflagging to make Chopin look bad.
At times like these I think of the Master of Music and Poetry in whose name this general was consecrated. Wagner would not have allowed his discord kittens to grow so unruly. With his integral and organic conception of the artwork he would, while paying the respect due to those composers out of whose genius was formed these pristine instruments of musical understanding, recognize these matters as beneath the dignity of the true artist for whom they are but tools of his unified expression. Come, let us embrace one another as sisters and retreat to the seraglio to repose in profound meditation upon the works of the Master.https://youtu.be/yF0pwSC7qWg
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The Chopincuck is falseflagging to make Fauré look bad.
>>131287011>in whose name this general was consecratedthis thread is about some spic named manuel tho
>>131287034But enough about the single Faure fan
>Wagner owes his entire career to the harmonic developments by ChopinFunniest shit I've ever read in this general
>>131287034All aspirant composers partake in Wagner and his spirit is present at the moment of every post.
>>131287020>for one right handdid anyone compose for two right hands
>>131287055Bach
>>131287011>ParsifalBASED
Wagner is the GOATTrvke btw
>The Barcarolles are Fauré's hymn to the Venetian gondoliers, and his most feeble works. It was largely composed due to his lack of testosterone after an exhausting and troubling period that pitched him into deafness. Franz Liszt visited him at that time and as Fauré met him off the gondolier; Liszt looked up at the spectacular tapeworm pill collection, ozempic of its day, it was reserved for the the delicate, skinny French nobility; only to be told: "No use looking up there, that’s all been composed by me."
>>131285518Don't bother. I already called out these pseuds in previous threads. They fellate the same 5 composers over and over again, but the moment someone mentions anyone outside that tiny sacred pantheon, they transform into the most exacting, hypercritical connoisseurs; unfavorably dissecting every bar and picking apart every musical parameter. None of it with any precise analysis, mind you.I'm not surprised to still see them seething and making retarded straw man arguments.
>>131287050Literally pic related
>The Music Dramas are Wagner's hymn to the sisterhood and the longest musical dilations. It was largely composed after her transition surgery that that pitched him into feverish creative activity. Nietzsche visited her at that time and as Wagner met him off the ferry Nietzsche looked up at the spectacular perfumes, estrogen pills and feminine accessories around him only to be told: "No use looking up there, that’s all been composed by me."
>>131287146mfw
new post on The Classic Review, seems Dudamel just released a Schumann symphonies cycle.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqXPN5z6gOk&list=OLAK5uy_mOlejL_TFr7vtQVgWpAwATaildcA2Bjlk&index=9review,https://theclassicreview.com/album-reviews/review-schumann-complete-symphonies-los-angeles-philharmonic-orchestra-gustavo-dudamel/
>>131284159you come off as delusional and not as cultured as you believe yourself to be
>manufactured Us vs Them debate over two non-mutually exclusive composers simply because they wrote occassionally on the same genre and happen to be either french or mostly frenchthis place is a disgrace
>>131286899Anybody who could write decent chamber and/or orchestral music is automatically better than a one trick pony piano composer.
>>131287873It just further proves this cesspool is full of underage dilettantes who don't know much about music. Anybody creating a false dichotomy or strawman based on a post a hundred threads ago should just stick to porn and videogames.
Fauré top 5 interprets objectively:Fauré, Long, Doyen, Tagliaferro, Casadesus.Not that any of them are particularly striking.
Listen to Allan Pettersson's symphonieshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWCh3kBljow&list=OLAK5uy_kQou402CsvrOVcKiEUAvfbHSVP6dULtCc&index=1
>>131287837otoh you couldn't identify a silly mocking faux-explanation by an obviously different person even after the original poster declined to respond to your inquiry so i'm not exactly abashed your aspersions
>>131287964Nobody cares, pseud.
>>131287964>Long, Doyen, Tagliaferro, Casadesus.Anon, you're scaring me, who are any of these people?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFsKm8RjnO4&list=OLAK5uy_kJj-xBcXIvcUvFFKkL_mQOXPeoSv1sh94&index=31Hell. Yes.
>>131287993It's a bunch of unrelated names he can pretend to know anything about so he can LARP as a hissfag.
I think it's about time Fauré and Chopin entered the coveted /classical/ Meme Composer listAnd what a surprise, they're the first 2 entrants! (now accepting applications)
>>131288019You actually made this post.
>>131287973>that part beginning around the 31:00 mark;_;possible Bruckner influence?
I'm a gargantuan faggot who loves cocks
>>131288037how did you listen to 31 minutes in just 7 minutes???????
>>131288058I'm clearly samefagging, anon. Now check it out! It's gorgeous.
told my girl I was gonna buy her a ringshowed up with two tickets to the opera
Has anyone tried this Beethoven symphonies cycle? Just added it to the backlog after coming across it on a review site. I quite enjoyed Saraste's most recent Sibelius cycle so he's now on the list of conductors I'm willing to try whenever I come across a recording of his.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZWkDTvVZ04&list=OLAK5uy_kBIhT5ff_X63LCXCYw9vWwFkq8q6YK5aE&index=5>Some twenty years ago, this quality of playing and recording might have won many superlatives, yet with as fierce competition as we have today in the catalog, this set has more of a sentimental value, for fans of Saraste or dedicated subscribers of this veteran orchestra. Taken live, save for some movements which can be wanting in detailed, the recording is good, with the audience as quiet as can be, no applause included.https://theclassicreview.com/album-reviews/review-beethoven-complete-symphonies-wdr-sinfonieorchester-saraste/It was released in 2019.
>>131288027>>131288046>t. Scriabinfagdon't worry, Scriabin is 3rd
>>131288182listened toa few seconds and already nodding off
Pettersson Symphony 8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZqdjr1Sxn4&list=OLAK5uy_nbJXHiJnWaOMXMzWzZ2f_2ZVbto76CKvc&index=1This one seems the most accessible and least macabre of Pettersson's symphonies so far. A good entry point. Lovely music if you love strings or gloomy music.
>>131288216Oh... well, thanks for giving it a try! That's all I can ask. That or your opioid dosage is too high.
>>131288019I think it's about time you entered the coveted /classical/ biggest faggot list
top 10 Requiems1. Fauré2. Duruflé3. Brahms4. Dvořák5. Verdi6. Berlioz7. Bruckner8. Zelenka9. Mozart10. Saint-Saëns
>>131288328renaissance masters shafted as usual
>>131288328Britten? Stanford? Burgon? Delius? Howell? Kabalevsky?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcmmdYuFQag&list=OLAK5uy_ms6EmUh6VyaKO31HQZAEx_tK6jMmrtEU0&index=1
>>131285968>me and the boys still fighting over which composer is better than which instead of just listening to them as though we can actually ever change someone else's mind
>>131286899>Chopin discovers a tune, repeats it a few times, decorates it with increasingly elaborate right-hand filigree, realizes he has nowhere left to go, then proceeds to bang the keyboard with loud octaves or empty scale runskek this is the most accurate description or Chopin I ever heard
Sir Charles Villiers Stanfordhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plEHsmg0ZaY&list=OLAK5uy_kUELDUSiEHWmkHTD3WJOwDtvh-WmGu_2A&index=1might do an all sacred music day
>>131288270thanks for the invitation, I'm sure you love it there.
>>131288415>no u
>>131288328>>131288372>>131288414so this is the power of choral music
>>131288573What is? Your stupid little book?
>>131288587It's just an amusing, semi-relevant passage, anon, chill.
>>131287020Based W.
>>131287700I'm actually quite enjoying this set. Is Dudamel good?
>>131288328All of them fucking suck except Brahms' which isn't even a Requiem and Mozart's which isn't finished and doesn't count.
>>131289609Correct.
>the interpretation of the Black Pearl is longer than 4 minutes Dropped.
>>131289764but this recording is one of the very best ever and its XXV is just short of 9 minutes!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CvmdqzQ9yc&list=OLAK5uy_lrxSOce_2wQm9SPm6DyU9rO86vhzf8_DI&index=26
>>131288328All of them fucking rock especially Brahms' which is also a Requiem and Mozart's which isn't finished and still counts.
>>131290207Correct.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLAxCaYKxFM&list=RDLLAxCaYKxFM&start_radio=1 one of my favorite bach pieces
>>131286899kek
>>131289958>9 minutes Makes Gould seem fast
So we're all in agreement that late Baroque is the peak of music, right?
>>131287979didn't read
>>131290561Yes.
>>131290561No.
>>131290561Chopin gave us the peak of human achievement.
>>131290612kill yourself
>>131290612live yourself.
>>131290612This but Scriabin
>>131290612This but not Scriabin
Thoughts on Beethoven's Violin Sonata No. 10, Op. 96?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8P-lbBiGDM&list=OLAK5uy_mbQ5rXjqEyff1CJ0Un_Gsb0XurJeDX3Gw&index=14
>>131287073Fact bomb
>listening to The Odyssey soundtrack and reading some comments>"Man, Ludwig Göransson is like modern Mozart!"I loathe normalfaggots so much. I liked that the next reply was literally 'Have you even listened to Mozart?'.Anyway, some cool polyrhythms and rhythmic tricks in this track, one of my favorites, listen to the part after the 3 minute mark it is like an auditory illussion:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXO6E3-7ONs>inb4 not sure what this has to do...
>>131291428>I loathe normalfaggots so muchWhy do you behave like one then>listening to the Odyssey soundtrack
Post composers who are literally you>pic relatedIntelligent, nihilistic and with a wicked sense of humor
>>131291515I don't, but you sound like a normalfaggot yourself.
>>131291550
>>131291596Spiteful, arrogant, racist piece of shit?
>>131291643Yep, that's me.
>>131291643Uh yeah
>>131291583>n-no, u!! ;_;WOW
Good evening /classical/! I just wanted to take a moment to remind you guys that: Rachmaninoff GOAT.https://youtu.be/FRX5uM9cEos?is=9juvrrraWYYhjSao
>>131292079We're doing #21stcenturyrecordings2026 anonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QILAENiyjY&list=OLAK5uy_kMj4GZT6RjVimPruwJslrsKklFY5Gz-Zc&index=1
>>131265150gomberthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR2ahjEDEyI
>>131292116So many options and you go with Lang Lang and Gergiev, in response to a video from the ass end of the 20th century featuring a still-living pianist no less.
>>131292079Trvke
>>131292183I like to mix it up with every post. Most of the time, at least.
excuse me. exCUSE ME. did you PEEP? the greatest American vocal work?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq-ZqAkZXZ0yes
>>131291643uhh hello, based department?
>>131291643>t. https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/jul/27/die-meistersinger-von-nurnberg-bayreuth-wagner-antisemitism
>>131291643>t. Felix
>>131291550big sad boi
>>131291643kek at the losers replying positively trying to look cool
>>131292770We're just having fun, anon. It's called banter.
Heinrich Schiff's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haoTEoLHRjc&list=OLAK5uy_lDRnmWF-BNunZvW4VNIiIMFcxQWCOY6FY&index=13
>>131292253i don't like the folksy kitsch of his earlier stuff but his later symphonies like the 7th are fucking great
>>131293067I feel you. I just like the fact that that 4th symphony even exists. I've never heard any other piece that blends folk, classical, and choral, and it's actually quite catchy and tuneful.
Is there a name for the modernist chord? You know the one I'm talking about. The chord which sounds metallic and glossy that like all modernist pieces use.
guess i've got theNEW>>131293566>>131293566>>131293566NEW
>>131290576fair enough
>>131292795losers and annoying people always play the banter card. same as "just a prank, bro"
>>131291643Pride is not arrogance when justified, as it was in Wagner's case, and the significance of his accomplishments totally deflate any accusation that he was a piece of shit because of whatever beliefs he had that you dislike.
>>131294412But this is 4chan. Banter is what we do. It's in the name! (4ch[banter]an)
>>131294504No it doesn't.
