The greatest man who has ever lived or will ever live - Frédéric Chopin edition.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cw1YqjaR7Ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zepe0nGJuRMThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>131293566
now playingstart of Shostakovich: Symphony No. 7 in C Major, Op. 60, "Leningrad"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-1x8SoDopw&list=OLAK5uy_nB5eVhfIN4xjWVRumqDDWQF3fTsdy2N0s&index=2https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nB5eVhfIN4xjWVRumqDDWQF3fTsdy2N0s
Still looking for other good Beethoven Op.132 or Bartok quartets 2-6 if you got em
Post some GOÁTÉRIC CHOPIN mazurkas. The Chopin portrait in the OP looks like young Arthur Rubinsteinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJQHkumK2A8
>>131320769The supreme A minor quartet.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpPQGTJsB28
>>131320769I mean there are a bajillion sets, and for good reason, it depends how you like them played.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNYoKPEiSIs&list=OLAK5uy_mgKK2-gPFg6yc6rFHtm37s6HyaUtSfE3Y&index=63https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f29-B2XVDA&list=OLAK5uy_lg40r2T5rvaKxt9VvU52iKU7Gx5e0pLIE&index=7
>>131320769For Beethoven I can recommend the Alban Berg Quartet, the Belcea Quartet, the Budapest Quartet, the Dover Quartet, the Emerson Quartet, the Juilliard Quartet, the Quartetto Italiano, the Smetana Quartet, the Takács Quartet, the Talich Quartet, the Tokyo Quartet, and last but not least the Végh Quartet.
Chopin discovers a tune, repeats it a few times, decorates it with increasingly elaborate right-hand filigree, realizes he has nowhere left to go, then proceeds to bang the keyboard with loud octaves or empty scale runs. So much for the nocturne. Even he couldn't escape the cliches of his time. Wagner's old crack about Chopin being a composer for the right hand becomes funnier by the day.And where did all those pretty melodies come from anyway? The man spent his Paris years inhaling Italian opera like oxygen. Half the works he heard have disappeared so thoroughly from the repertoire that Chopinfags can now safely call every suspiciously Bellinian cantilena an inexplicable manifestation of his transcendent melodic genius. Very convenient. The evidence has practically deleted itself!
>>131320881Damn, and none of those come close to Busch.
What are the top 3 Chopin mazurkas?We're all in agreement that Op. 17 No. 4 in A minor is the best one, right?
>>131320922>Which of these third-rate pieces are the best?Pointless question.
>>131320899can you imagine posting this actually thinking people will read it
>>131320922No. The late mazurkas are some of the finest masterpieces. The best ones are from Op. 56, 59 and 63. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xrnlUCmtuA>>131320928I mean, if the peak of pianistic composition is "third-rate", then all piano music is fourth rate and the first two rates belong only to Chopin lol.
>>131320931What, two paragraphs? I'd expect anyone who isn't a drooling moron to be able to read it. But nice self-report.
>>131321012The two paragraphs were written by a drooling moron so they'd be saving their IQ points by not reading it desu.
>>131321038Whatever helps you cope, Chopinfag.
>>131321045excellent post drooling sister
>>131321050excellent post drooling sister
RachAnon, thoughts on this recording?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuOcZGsCRkM&list=OLAK5uy_nb0GZpeR9EwbSz6H_i9fhS7f7SE8eI_U0&index=1
>>131320973Lovely playing buried under the sound of someone frying eggs.
>>131321012even two words of such extremely radioactive retardation would be too much for the average person to bear
>>131321109Whatever helps you cope, Chopinfag.
>c-cope, lmao!! ;_;
>>131321149I look like this and say this
>>131321149Where did you get this image of me?
>>131321149Average Fauréstan
W.
>>131320973the first two rates belong to middle and late Beethoven
>>131321624Incorrect.>"Beethoven and Brahms I would throw into the chimney, as far as their piano compositions are concerned. They did not write for the piano. Only Bach, Chopin, and Schumann wrote for the piano. Brahms' piano things are in the organ style; they are not for the piano. I have the greatest reverence for Beethoven's orchestral compositions and string quartets, but not his piano things. No, I would throw them into the chimney."
>>131321641I do not care what that man has to say. I know I am correct.
>>131321708>Beethoven """""piano""""" "music"Chimney material. You are incorrect.
>>131321641opinions consequent of norwood III
>>131321794Brahms also had norwood three though. maybe even four
>>131320664>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otHqM4nn6X4Piano music peaked here
>>131321068Not really in the mood for it right now, sorry anon. I'm on Rosenthal binge (again) and now I'm about to listen to Mengelberg's Tchaikovsky 5th for the first time:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLpDnGZa9xsI feel like this is going to be the shit.
>their favorite Nocturne is 48 no 1
Shoenbergino bombardino
>>131322112It's the best nocturne along with Op. 62, Op. 55 nocturnes and Op. 27 nocturnes. Hard to pick the best one, although Friedman almost makes you convinced it's 55/2:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqp4JpvNxawBut to be honest, so does Moiseiwitsch in 62/2, I don't understand why Friedman is praised so much but Moiseiwitsch isn't:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK4z0iM-VxU
>>13132238548/1 almost feels like the anti-nocturne pick.62/2 (or 72) is probably my answer. Thank you for sending this.
Becoming obsessed with Liszt's Sonata in B minor
Liszthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3xlfoAcgiA&list=OLAK5uy_lE1pTclg0C6eeeaZoLxxzp4Hb32ppYXL8&index=4
>>131322814Good
>>131321871As an an Argerich fan, even I can't pretend that she doesn't rush the fuck out of Chopin
>>131323518some people like that
>>131320931I mean i did, it is honestly a decent point. Though theres no reason to assume bad faith because of a lack of evidence for the assertion based on prejudice. Overall i prefer Field
>Chopino's Nocturnos>1k+ recordings>Johnny Fieldo's Nocturnos>~3 recordings>Gabrielo Fauro's Nocturnos>~10 recordingsum i think there's no comparison
Look, I love warmth and romantic playing as much as the next guy but I can't believe there are people here (in this thread RIGHT NOW) who don't like Brendel, particularly his Beethoven.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lvaCsjXlhU&list=OLAK5uy_nezqo6LWYy50kbYTMhsc8w58jQ6GtGfCk&index=14https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD70Q1738fk&list=OLAK5uy_nezqo6LWYy50kbYTMhsc8w58jQ6GtGfCk&index=59The poise, the sensitivity, the combination of majesty and emotional power! What a master.
>>131323708Borendel
>>131323725hey! >:(
big budget Hartmann symphony cycle on DG WHEN????https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFNN8v-nDmA
>>131323682Fields Nocs are better than Faurés.
>tfw not every composer has 9 violin sonatas, or even at least 5why live
anyone else that like Dvorak?
>>131323813I love almost all of his music!
>>131321641>Bach being played on a pianoA great way to turn gold into shit. That reminds me of Gould
>>131323826you heard the first 7 symphonies?
>>131324043Many times, across several sets! 1-4 aren't great, but for background, lush symphonic music, they're nice. 5 is when the melodies begin to stay with you, and 7 is when it becomes excellent.
>>131324064I also LOVE the slavonic dances, specially op. 72 no. 2.also, where do I start with his serenades?
If you don't like opera you don't like classical music.
>>131324085>also, where do I start with his serenades?pic + the Karajan set for the S4Stringshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRTWYt0lD8s&list=OLAK5uy_ni-paiapX4ORyb9e9uvjmbQr9_s47oK2A&index=5https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2kLyYTl3aY&list=OLAK5uy_nnRxyI_KdrTV5S8OcULF6FwQV3Eo_SkJU&index=6This Chung set is nice too if you don't like that chamber orchestra sound from pichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgjbKX30BPM&list=OLAK5uy_lX8ZN0OnLSvVNuhkK4Ed2GvgwjlMF0wpA&index=6
>>131324085>I also LOVE the slavonic dances, specially op. 72 no. 2.I could never trust a man who didn't enjoy Brahms' Hungarian Dances and Dvorak's Slavonic Dances.
>>131324114how many serenades did he have? I'm a guy that just wants to collect as much from a composer as possible
>>131324163Just the two. The Karajan recording is bomb but it only has the one for strings, hence why the other two recommendations, one for chamber orchestra and one by a regular symphony orchestra.
>>131324114>>131324127>>131324170sorry. meant to say where do I start with his STRING QUARTETS. how many did he have?
>>131324241Oh. He has 14, plus 3 quintets and some piano quartet/quintets.start with pic (alternatively, if you don't like it and want a more authentic Czech sound, the Panocha Quartet set is next)It's pretty similar to the symphonies. 10-14 are generally accepted as the masterpieces, ~6/7-9 are solid, and 1-5/6 are for superfans. So, depending on you, start at 1, 7, or 10 and loop back.
He did it
>>131324506Music to play when you're having a romantic, candlelit dinner with your partner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KcgTmWveYM thoughts on this piece?
I love Mommy Clara
Opinions on Valentina Lisitsa?Why does the youtube algo push her stuff so hard?
>>131324525Nice! I'll be sure to play it next time I have a cessation of hostilities.
>>131324558Because she's a YouTube star>Lisitsa posted her first YouTube video in 2007. Her set of Chopin etudes reached the number-one slot on Amazon's list of classical video recordings, and became the most-viewed online collection of Chopin etudes on YouTube.[16][17]>In 2010, Lisitsa told an interviewer, she and her husband put their life savings into recording a CD of Rachmaninoff concertos with the London Symphony Orchestra, in hopes of furthering her career.[5] In the spring of 2012, before her Royal Albert Hall debut, Lisitsa signed with Decca Records, which later released those recordings.[5]Gotta give her some props for making it. But yeah, YT pushes its stars; other people like it, they like similar content to you, YT thinks you'll like it.
>>131324558Oh and as for opinion, she's aiight. I've posted a few of her recordings here.
now playingstart of Schumann: Humoreske, Op. 20https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBxi6KvlHiQ&list=OLAK5uy_m8VN8eoQeSI3K1lixScUL3aLngBPBcAVU&index=2Knussen: Ophelia's Last Dancehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4BVkHt6JAc&list=OLAK5uy_m8VN8eoQeSI3K1lixScUL3aLngBPBcAVU&index=7start of Liszt: Piano Sonata in B Minor, S. 178https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRuOkOc8ISM&list=OLAK5uy_m8VN8eoQeSI3K1lixScUL3aLngBPBcAVU&index=7https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m8VN8eoQeSI3K1lixScUL3aLngBPBcAVU>"[Gerstein] showed how virtuosity and soulfulness can go hand in hand." -- Chicago Sun Times Kirill Gerstein, recipient of the prestigious 2010 Gilmore Artist Award, is one of today's most intriguing young musicians. For his solo album debut on Myrios Classics, he has recorded a spellbinding performance of Liszt's Sonata in B minor and Schumann's Humoreske. The disc also includes the world premiere recording of Oliver Knussen's enchanting composition Ophelia's Last Dance from 2010.This is probably the ideal way to design programs on new recordings, where you add in a contemporary piece alongside the classic repertoire.
>>131323676>I read my own postcongration
>>131324558she's alright>the youtube algo push her stuffmaybe ten years ago lmao
For me, it's Britten's War Requiemhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI0kViZqRHQ&list=OLAK5uy_lZy-cvVSuUq1xGw7fJ-uaV4HlzbWeZdIg&index=1
I just don't really care for Prokofiev's piano concertos, sorry.
Scriabinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TAwlE3sHr8&list=OLAK5uy_lJ1neJeKqkulpfVZkBFSjeY6zJE7YJQdU&index=1
>>131322589It is often called a miniature ballade to which I don't object. I don't care about titles and micro-genres to be honest, I like the idea of anti-nocturne as much as of the nocturne. The doppoi movimento could be the single best display of pianistic craftsmanship, no matter how emotionally convincing you find the explosive return - the texture is highly nuanced, the triplet pattern and syncopated accents in melody create an illusion of polyrhythm. It is orchestral, the way deep bass, turbulent middle voices and the melody interact mimics doubles bass, cellos/horns and violin/soprano. Scriabin did a very similar thing in Impromptu 12/2, but to be frank he based his entire career off of Chopin's music as did every major pianist-composer since Chopin lol.>>131323682There are very, very few good recordings of all those nocturnes, and only's Chopin's interpreters are truly great. It's a shame, only if Cortot could be brough back to life to make Field and Fauré listenable.
>>131323682>Chopin is better because normies love throwing their money at him and record labels recognise easy money when they see itspoken like a true worshipper of Mammon
>musician: tries something interpretively different and unique in a performance>/classical/: >:(
>>131325874Not true. An interpreter's idiosyncracies are always welcome when they come from a proper interpreter. Someone who disregards tempos, rubatos, accelerandos, chord rolls, dynamics and all that makes or breaks the proper reading of the music, especially to the detriment of sincerity and accuracy of the *music itself* is ">:("There's a difference, and the line isn't thin at all. There is no room here for disingenuity and "death of the author". Leave that for /lit/tle girls.
>>131323518that's a good one to "rush" though
>>131324112Does anyone here not like opera?
>>131323682>appeal to popularityAh, so that's the best Chopinfags have got.
>>131323676Of course it's a decent point. It's especially potent because it triggers the idolaters who fellate the same 5 composers over and over again, pretending as if they could do absolutely no wrong. But the moment someone mentions anyone outside that tiny, prefabricated sacred pantheon, they transform into the most exacting, hypercritical connoisseurs; unfavorably dissecting every bar and picking apart every musical parameter.
>>131325336no 3 is lots of fun
>>131326160Meds.
>>131326160Chopin is especially a victim of this, making /classical/ no different from Reddit.
>Meds.
>>131325489scriabin just writes random notes lol
>>131326046>>131319256
>>131326210Define "random notes".
cage just writes random notes lol
>>131326210>>131326227Its just plays with vocal concerto movements thrown at dramatic moments, dude
>>131320769Capet Quartet and Griller Quartet are my favorites for Op. 132. For Bartok, try the earlier mono Juilliard cycle. >>131321890While I like that performance, I prefer his earlier one, which is, in my opinion, even more suave and technically miraculous. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T0qldc347QAlso in quite amazing sound, considering its vintage.
>>131326241Its just plays with vocal concerto movements thrown at dramatic moments, dude
>>131326258Its just plays with vocal concerto movements thrown at dramatic moments, dude
>>131326227"Thing I don't like"
Alkan
Medtner
What your favorite composer says about your personalityhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZdM8RZku_E
Thoughts on Handel?
>>131326377He can be tough to get a "Handel" on at first, but once you do, the "Water Music" truly flows.
>>131326377>The prosecutors have built an astonishing record. Several of Handel's works consist largely - in extreme cases, almost entirely - of systematic "borrowings", as they are euphemistically called. Israel in Egypt is among them. Of its twenty-eight choruses, eleven were based on pieces by other composers, some of them practically gobbled up whole. Three of the plagues choruses were based on a single cantata by Alessandro Stradella, a Roman composer whose music Handel encountered during his prentice years.>More recently it has been discovered that no fewer than seven major works composed between 1733 and 1738 draw extensively on the scores of three old operas by Alessandro Scarlatti that Handel had borrowed from Jennens.>Perhaps Handel's most brazen appropriation involved the "Grand Concertos" (concerti grossi), op. 6. They were composed in september and october of 1739 and rely heavily for thematic ideas on harpsichord compositions by Domenico Scarlatti, which had been published in London the year before.>One of his critics was Johann Mattheson who openly and angrily accused Handel of copping a melody from one of his operas. Another was Jennens, who wrote to a friend that he had just received a shipment of music from Italy, and that "Handel has borrow'd a dozen of the pieces & I dare say I shall catch him stealing from them; as I have formerly, both from Scarlatti & Vinci".>Sure enough, Handel rewrote the passages he had borrowed for his own recent operas so as to obscure his indebtedness to Vinci's. If the old defense - that borrowing carried no stigma - were correct, there would have been no reason for Handel to cover his tracks. And that may also explain why, of all the borrowings securely imputed to him, Handel altered the ones he made from Domenico Scarlatti the most. It may well have been because, of all the music he borrowed, Scarlatti's keyboard pieces were most likely to be recognized by the members of his own public
>>131326377Fat. Not listening.
