Manuel de Falla editionhttps://youtu.be/vDcltfs6bzMThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>131320664
>>131334597Listening to Bach St. Matthew's Passion. Does it make much of difference to know what they are saying?
>>131334817Yes, although it's setting the Gospel so shouldn't be too unfamiliar. The interplay of words and music is important in any text setting. Even so, it's appreciable as pure music, and a long listen too, so don't worry about it until you've familiarised yourself.
>>131333618Yeah, it's a masterpiece. Same with his first violin concerto. I've been trying to listen to the second ones more lately. They're not as exciting, they're more introspective. I'm still not sure where I stand on them, whether they're inferior or overlooked masterpieces.
>>131334817It makes *some* difference but if you just want to enjoy it as pure music, nah, it's not necessary.
Listening to Brahms' cello sonatas is like witnessing a miracle.
>>131335033Shosty's Cello concertos >>> Shosty's Violin concertos. I mean Cello really lends itself to dark and brooding music and - what a coincidence - that's exactly what Shosty does best. I always found his Violin concertos somewhat phantasmagorical, like soloist getting tortured in particularly unusual ways. Not without some interesting parts but not his best work.
>>131334817It's enough to know the general plot of the Passions.
>>131334534>>131334279
>tfw I've listened to the Ring maybe 100 times>tfw I've only seen the first three operas (Das Rheingold, Die Walkure, and Siegfried)>tfw I've listened to Gotterdammerung about a hundred times and don't know what actually happens in itI promise I'll get around to that Barenboim DVD performance I pirated months ago... eventually...
oh and obviously the same goes for Tannhauser, Meistersinger, Lohengrin, and Parsifal. Listened to them a hundred times, no clue what they're about. They could be singing gibberish for all I know.
>>131335651...you listened to it a hundred times and you NEVER read the libretto?
>>131335725correct
>>131335734based
>>131335662>They could be singing gibberishthey are
>>131335734that's outright unbelievable. it nears self-sabotage.
>>131335801Reading them, yeah, I agree
>>131335801The music is fantastic though, I will say.
now playingLiszt: Liebestraum No. 3 in A-Flat Major, S. 541/3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSVyDfJST1M&list=OLAK5uy_lWjusHFp8ae15F3yie-LRrQ5aMHUTkyJg&index=2start of Liszt: Piano Sonata in B Minor, S. 178https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X7iezB0P1k&list=OLAK5uy_lWjusHFp8ae15F3yie-LRrQ5aMHUTkyJg&index=3Liszt: Mephisto Waltz No. 1, S. 514https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUedQ6TGP_A&list=OLAK5uy_lWjusHFp8ae15F3yie-LRrQ5aMHUTkyJg&index=6Liszt: La lugubre gondola, S. 200https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMeebhmv0hQ&list=OLAK5uy_lWjusHFp8ae15F3yie-LRrQ5aMHUTkyJg&index=7start of Liszt: 6 Preludes & Fugues by J.S. Bach, S. 462: No. 1, Prelude in A Minor (After BWV 543)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgngMPkBUrg&list=OLAK5uy_lWjusHFp8ae15F3yie-LRrQ5aMHUTkyJg&index=8https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lWjusHFp8ae15F3yie-LRrQ5aMHUTkyJgSurely one of the great 21st century recordings of Liszt's piano sonata.
https://symphony.org/obituary-classical-music-radio-host-of-exploring-music-bill-mcglaughlin-82/Really surprised to find no mention of this yet, based on a search through desuarchive. Exploring Music is a program I've loved for years; the classical station in my city carried it for a long time, and every episode was fascinating. I actually met Bill McGlaughlin once, too. We talked about Wagner. RIP.
>>131335955not familiar but RIP
Johann Baptist Joseph Maximilian Regerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO141mtRLowhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Xz8GY0PRJQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0UgqC7I4nAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Fwx8SQB3mo>Max Reger's String Sextet, composed in 1910, is an excellent example of his goal of modernizing musical language within a traditional tonal framework in order to arrive at a new means of expression. He had no desire to follow the Second Vienna School. Instead, he worked hard to find a new path, one in which equal emphasis is given to rhythm, harmony, dynamics and melody. Here is a great and original work which leaves no wish unfulfilled.>The opening theme to the first movement, Allegro energico, is robust and rough hewn. Reger has the upper voices present the striking first part of the theme while opposed by the lower three voices with triplets. His sophisticated use of counterpoint results in original polyphonic episodes. The second movement, Vivace, is based on a gripping alternation of dramatic and quiet sections The main section is filled with forward drive while the middle section is slower and more lyrical. Wilhelm Altmann called the third movement, Largo con grand espressione, "A deeply moving transcendental experience". In the form of a simple chorale, Reger later wrote, "It was my conversation with God." The finale, Allegro commodo, is full of commotion and powerful dramatic contrasts.>Jürgen Schaarwächter notes the Sextet is ultimately one of the toughest nuts to crack in the entire canon. Yet one is regularly drawn back to try, not least by his undeniable craftsmanship, the elegance of his part-writing and the intriguing chromaticism that ensues. There is an underlying charm peeking through the undergrowth of the Vivace scherzo which too seldom rears its head. The slow movement is a high point: it radiates an austere beauty in a 12 min span which conveys a nocturnal transcendence not unlike that of Schoenberg’s Verklärte Nacht.
>>131334597If anyone here follows Nelsons/BSO drama now we have a musicians strike (possibly?) incoming. https://classical-scene.com/2026/05/19/the-turmoil/
>>131335988>Max Reger's String Sextet, composed in 1910, is an excellent example of his goal of modernizing musical language within a traditional tonal framework in order to arrive at a new means of expression. He had no desire to follow the Second Vienna School. Such a strange phrase. By 1910 Second Vienna School was in it's infancy. They became "popular" and something to be followed or deride later.
>>131335801>it nears self sabotageWell the guy you're replying to also almost exclusively listens to new recordings of Wagner, so, yeah. He does enjoy sabotaging himself.
>>131336055More like I'm open to it all. You'll find I've listened to the historical KKK+K (Krauss, Knappertsbusch, Kempe, Keilberth) and Furtwangler just as much as I've listened to Thielemann, Mark Elder, Simone Young, Levine, Luisi, and Zweden.
>>131336077I mostly only see you talk about the latter thoughIn any case, still self sabotage because modern Wagner sux
>>131336088once again,https://files.catbox.moe/p8aety.m4a
>>131336107no one's clicking on your gay links
>>131336088The rest of you guys have most of the hiss ground covered, so it's more interesting if I post 21st century recordings. Of any composer or piece.>>131336116https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx_Sjg-bK_U&list=OLAK5uy_k93gZdsQpS16SHApqUgzPKJ6gWrDq2iXg&index=36
I'm listening to Chopin's Preludes!
>>131336055I think the reviewer was referring to atonality in general via a slightly anachronistic but perfectly valid metonymy
>>131336055kek
>>131336107Once again, that's terrible.
>>131336252Well, thanks for peeping.
>>131336000Damn…..well, there’s always the Handel & Haydn Society! >>131336077The earlier Janowski recording is fantastic. Most Bayreuth recordings are too congested and exaggerated for my liking.
>>131336287The Janowski 2011 Ring may not be great, but I maintain the rest of his Pentatone Wagner series is pretty solid (the Tannhauser, Lohengrin, Tristan, Meistersinger, Hollander, and Parsifal), particularly if you want a modern performance.
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>>131336400testicles lmao gotem
>>131336156I meant to reply to >>131336051 but misclicked and am only now realising
>>131336403indeed.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94BXZuREblI&t=508
do I dare end the day with Bartok's string quartets? seems emotionally risky
>>131336433kill yourself.
>>131336433yes, but also >>131336439
>>131336439precisely the feeling I worry I will be left going to sleep with!
>>131336444you won't be left with it if you follow through
wtf I like the Emerson SQ now???https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMWWLKgTplI&list=OLAK5uy_mkaF4bh0ezlHa9EPNvvOdmObdGcCWwd50&index=15
>>131336455wait until you hear about the Hungarian String Quartet
>>131336466Actually, I prefer my Bartok westernized, polished, and warm. So no Hungarian SQ, no Takacs, no Hagen, no Tokyo. Emerson? Alban Berg? Vermeer? Yes.
>>131336477>westernized, polished, >warmmake up your mind, man
I like my Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Shostakovich, and Bartok to sound like Brahms. sorry not sorry
>>131336487I *am* sorry, though. I feel sorry for *you*
>>131336482I just don't want it to sound cold, sharp, and gypsy. I don't care if it's not authentic.
>>131336498>cold, sharp>gypsyagain, make up y->I don't care if it's not authenticOooooooh, I see what kind of person I'm dealing with. Pretend I never said anything.
>>131336509But if I pretend you never said anything, how will I know to pretend you never said anything!?
>>131336498Emerson Quartet are the opposite of warm. They're standard-bearers for American modernist quartet style (so are Alban Berg Quartet despite being Austrian). Very sharp and precise.
>>131336517what did I just fucking tell you you stupid cunt
>>131336521I know for their Beethoven that's true, but their Bartok and Shostakovich is not sharp at all. Much easier on the ear than most of the competition. Accessible. Appealing. No wonder they made it to the top.
>>131336530See, now this I will pretend you never said.
>>131335929Wow Liebestraum 3 I've never heard this one before.
>>131336546Impossible to dislike (autists scared of emotion aside, of course). I used to take walks with it on repeat.
>>131336549It's like a poor imitation of Traümerei
Small nitpick: I wish these streaming sites would demarcate large recordings and box sets into the respective CDs. I know, I know, streaming/digital makes it obsolete, but CD divisions are most often deliberately chosen, so in listening through a box set, it'd be nice to go through a CD at a time, ya feel? Instead of the whole 10 hour thing on a playlist and I listen to where I want.
Liszthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui7SNvhR0cE&list=OLAK5uy_ku1qrxq1bpJbOoOzi8aQiWDpCEwuukq6I&index=2
>>131336534Sometimes I wonder if you even actually listen to the recordings you post or do any comparisons in the moment because nothing about the Emerson SQ in Bartok is particularly warm. Feels like you're generalizing all the Hungarian based string quartet groups from the Takacs recordings when both the Hungarian SQ and the Vegh Quartet aren't really that harsh.
>>131336541when do you plan to start
>>131336655Of course. With Bartok and his SQs, however, I don't have much experience, and yes, most of the sets I've tried I only tried like one or two of the SQs. But I do know the Emerson set is, to my ears, far more accessible than the Takacs, which I've attempted listening to at least a dozen times.
>>131336655>>131336678Forget the word 'warm.' Either way, it's a more westernized, accessible sound than the more authentic recordings by eastern European ensembles with the gypsy sound AND the more modernist, dissonant recordings by other Western ensembles.
>>131336686>westernized, accessiblei.e. dead
>>131337492...which is why many prefer Takacs and the like. For me, for Bartok, I tend to prefer the more washed-out, smoothed-over performances of any of his works over anything more authentic. This is why we have interpretation and different recordings.
>>131335988Loved this, thanks.
Pieter Wispelwey's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cljX75MH96Y&list=OLAK5uy_mwELyrqP9dFzthptrPOrTQcZVuvtXCxW4&index=13
>>131334597any actually good american composers besides barber? i'm liking roy harris too. everything else i've heard was total kitsch shit.
>>131337545Ives i guessthere is another, i can't remember, probably not worth mentioning.
>>131337545William Schuman, Walter Piston, MacDowell, Florence Price, Aaron Copland, John Adams, Hanson, Gershwin, Carter, Ives, Glass, Reich, Feldman, Amy Beach, the list goes on...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XV3POZGsZohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKxnQ0thmGI
>>131337559>Glass, Reichopinion discarded
>>131337565I'm not really a fan but I'd be remiss...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vov9SAItc9A
>be me>all dressed up, plans to go out>just gotta put my computer into sleep mode first then i'm about the door>accidentally hit play on Woodward's book 2 of Bach's WTC>forced to sit at computer for the next 160 minutes without leaving because I always listen to Bach's WTC in one-sitting, the way it was intended>mfwfuckin' bach
>>131335386Mozart is garbage.
favorite recording of Rachmaninov's All-Night Vigil?
>>131337644ROBERTSHAWOBERTSHAWhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwSY2izXknE&list=OLAK5uy_nDLYZPL_nwXQsrsnyNz8HNCc2dZxfssvg&index=2Alternatively, Matthew Best and Corydon Singers.I've found literally every recording of this piece sounds pretty distinct and different, so if you end up loving it, then you should give many of the other popular options a try too (just search 'rachmaninoff vespers' on Amazon under 'CD & Vinyl' and peep the results on the first and maybe second pages).
the most difficult question in all of classical: you want to listen to a Dvorak symphony and you have to choose which cycleahhhhh! Kubelik? Kertesz? Rowicki? Neumann? Belohlavek? Suitner? and that's for complete cycles. God help you if you want to listen to one of the late ones which each have multiple dozens of recordings each. I went with Belohlavek.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfmPLhheeno&list=OLAK5uy_kSK2NFPnxuKtS48iBHnBiar7DGNJkt-wM&index=1
>>131337672There isn't anything particularly interesting about Dvorak cycles for me since only 6-9 are any good and the best performances of those aren't in cycles.
>>131335127Best recording of Brahms' cello sonatas?
>>131337719>There isn't anything particularly interesting about Dvorakftfy
>>131337777Holy quads
Now playingKonstantin Antipov's Nocturne Op.6 no.2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xMsv8lW5sY
What is the best Schubert album for you guys?
>>131338175Schubert is hyped up dogshit. I hope that helps.
>>131338175i would have to go with "the best of schubert"
>>131338175Probably this one.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwZYiZdPMqk&list=OLAK5uy_lBAYtmhO7X0wF7D0wDkVMN47L2PJTvhns&index=2Oh yeah. That hits the spot.
>>131337772>>131337772pic or Rostropovich/Serkinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uhSWOX4tgI&list=OLAK5uy_nOBJDAtKiuJp3cPMfl-FrdwJAYw50iQjY&index=1
>>131338175This or the Diogenes complete string quartets or the Lupu Schubert
>>131338175
>>131338175I don't have a favorite "album". The recording - depends on the piece. For the Unfinished: Furtwangler.
>>131339056But which recording and what label?
>>131339273https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuN1xnv7Ogg
It does not get more comfy than this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb-IL9Z_GF8&list=OLAK5uy_kdFTkep-RiC5PTq9hypS4IC08To3emAMM&index=52
>>131338175i've always loved the Munch/BSO recording of the Unfinished and 9th Symphonies. >>131339314also great
The Apex of Art.The Brightest of Baritones.The Caster of Comfort.The Dionysus of Delusions.The Elater of Ecstasy.The Forth-Bringer of Fantastic-Fantasies.The Grandest of Giants.The Height of Heroism.The Inventor of Ideas.The Juggler of Jubilation.The Knight of Knowledge.The Love of Listeners.The M.The Nirvana of Nobles.The Oasis of Optimists.The Poisoner of Peons.The Quester of Quixotic.The Rattler of Romance.The Symbol of Serenity.The Tactful of Tranquility.The Up-lifter of Unbeaten.The Visionary of Vibrance.The Wager of wordly desiresThe X-Factor of Xenophiles.The Yay of Youths.The Zing of Zion.Mozart.
>>131339889Moshart is hated here.
It's not even funny how Schoenberg mogs Mozart
>>131339905Trvke
>>131339897>>131339905>>131339908Listen. This is /classical/, not "plebbit". We only discuss patrician refined music here. You are on the wrong bus stop, but instead of being a civil individual and leaving, you are instead creating a "ruckus" for the other waiting passengers.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC07RyBBGDUMozart showed us the dangers of being a "faustian" man, not with long essays and tedious literature, but with elegant sound and smooth instrumentation. You are the devil, "Mephistopheles" trying to seduce us poor souls into degeneracy.M.
>>131339905I can tolerate Mozart hate if it's promoting Schoenberghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de5PaxlvyJc&list=PLW-xO0DMQIDcnBzwn2lQ4qWHOpqLsrs-I&pp=0gcJCeUE0aJEHMZM
>>131339897>>131339905>>131339921top plebhttps://youtu.be/65WyWFPGmzU?si=yNMsiSedjpFb6Dvx
Since sound wave is a naturally occurring phenomena in the universe then chances are that the alien life if there exist any, could possess an analogous organ to the human ear, imagine what would happen if we manage to make contact with the aliens in due time, just what will we show them? A bunch of naked feminists on the streets shouting "feel the nipple" or a furry rally passing through the streets of moscow or a bunch of angry bigotted chuds fighting meaningless battles online? How will we introduce them to our culture?We will show the aliens true "Human Excellence". Our mastery of art and music. We will show them "Mozart".This is it. The end. The peak. The Finalehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQHlLgm371EM.
>>131339917>We only discuss patrician refined music hereIndeed. The /classical/ council agrees that the trifecta of refined music consists of Ligeti, Stockhausen and Schoenberg. I'm sorry you're not part of it.
>>131339955Boring tonal choral work.
>>131339996There is only 1 composer, the greatest mortal mind to ever live, the greatest writer of melody, the creator of anime, MozartM.
>>131340013Incorrect.
>>131340050Correct.
Mofart is "classical" for soccer moms
M is just W turned over.
>>131340198Mozart and Wagner are two of the greatest operatic innovators, only makes sense.
Those who hate Mozart do not understand him.
>>131340198>>131340337Also V is half of W. I think we've discovered something...
>>131340198>>131340337>>131340401MonteVerdi has both M and V. wtf
>>131340413Monteverdi was the one injecting the sperm, Mozart was the fetus and Wagner was the child. And Schoenberg was the wifeMV.M.W.S.
>>131339681I've always felt I love that sonata more than virtually all other Beethoven fans. It'd easily rank in my top... 8?
>>131337772I like Pierre Fournier.
now playingstart of Schubert: Piano Sonata in D Major, D. 850, Op. 53 "Gasteiner"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5aUXqT4Fag&list=OLAK5uy_k7CFeR66RHKWLHLyINW_MTTxfH2hxTuPQ&index=2start of Liszt: Piano Sonata in B Minor, S. 178https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIlYpOtgXtA&list=OLAK5uy_k7CFeR66RHKWLHLyINW_MTTxfH2hxTuPQ&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k7CFeR66RHKWLHLyINW_MTTxfH2hxTuPQ
>>131339996>>131340079further proof that Mozart is underrated
>>131341353Trips are for fags.
>>131341361>phonepostingkek Top Pleb
i'm an all-lowercase faggot and i love to suck dicks xd
>>131341438Meds.
Top 3 Baroque composers?
>>131341777BachHandelMonteverdi
>>131341777BachScarlattiRameau
>>131341777RameauVivaldiTelemannHonorable mention: Scarlatti
>>131341930>TelemannBased.
>>131341777BachScarlattiTelemann
>>131341777Sainte-ColombeMaraisForqueray
Boult's Vaughan Williams is really head-and-shoulders above everyone else, huh?
>>131341777CorelliGeminianiManfredini
>>131342047Where do I start with Marais?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q_VJqjIYFoSounds as if he's playing with leaden fingers.
>>131342360I prefer to say weighty and gravitas, but yes, to those who don't like Arrau and his style of playing, he can come of as plodding, soporific, and contrived.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T61iqimAGI&list=OLAK5uy_nlz15DhPlWB0Akr9vulxkwybz9A42bers&index=91ARRAUW!!
I have never heard a bad sextet.
I have never heard a sextet.
>>131342592https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quggoZ-6oxw&list=OLAK5uy_lkODyPpWF5Y7GUBoZ1plW_ncaJh89_VUE&index=5warning: sublimity
Medtnerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvGm9qnbB_A&list=OLAK5uy_lNbF9ADgDRCsx05bzFIAgf1WU7FVrBWBo&index=20
I'm learning recorder, what's /classical/'s favorite recording of Hot Cross Buns?
Taking a break from listening to Beethoven's piano sonata cycle on repeat to finally reach a deeper understanding of the later piano repertoire. Not that I'm unfamiliar with Prokofiev, Debussy, Ravel, Scriabin, Brahms, Schumann, Liszt, Rachmaninoff, whomever, I've heard it all before of course, it's more so my commitment to memory and understanding of their piano works, even the masterpieces, pales in comparison to how well I know Beethoven's piano sonatas. Well, it's time to change that.
>>131342646lovely but what's with that trill at 11:50
if the Melodies are Forgotten, how does Hamelin know about it? hehe
now this is a te deumhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evBec2zxADY
te deum? more like tedium haha
Does anyone here know how to compose counterpoint
>>131342951Loving it so far, thanks.
>>131342989Yes.
Schubert's violin works are criminally overlooked.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wACX2qWuweU&list=OLAK5uy_mFYS7L9-NWQWlk4_az9TZ0WPnqm5H2U34&index=1
>>131342989Schubert
>>131343003Help me out, anon. I want to write a good fugue.
>>131343034That's a very broad topic.
>>131343046Is this a good starthttps://voca.ro/1mktd4LfPJaZ
Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFS-h803aZI&list=OLAK5uy_nezqo6LWYy50kbYTMhsc8w58jQ6GtGfCk&index=71
>>131341777Bachvon BiberVivaldi
now playingChopin: Berceuse in D-Flat Major, Op. 57https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMZjygExZ3I&list=OLAK5uy_ndFtIIyUrUb6b2u4aNNYAKG9qGcKj1CcU&index=2start of Chopin: Piano Sonata No. 2 in B-Flat Minor, Op. 35 "Funeral March"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlBMi2JxH0k&list=OLAK5uy_ndFtIIyUrUb6b2u4aNNYAKG9qGcKj1CcU&index=3Chopin: Nocturne No. 7 in C-Sharp Minor, Op. 27 No. 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_uSJjP0rNs&list=OLAK5uy_ndFtIIyUrUb6b2u4aNNYAKG9qGcKj1CcU&index=7Chopin: Nocturne No. 8 in D-Flat Major, Op. 27 No. 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3awQhoEBtU&list=OLAK5uy_ndFtIIyUrUb6b2u4aNNYAKG9qGcKj1CcU&index=8Chopin: Barcarolle in F-Sharp Major, Op. 60https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HMUzzgubd8&list=OLAK5uy_ndFtIIyUrUb6b2u4aNNYAKG9qGcKj1CcU&index=9start of Chopin: Piano Sonata No. 3 in B Minor, Op. 58:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi6-jX8l2ZY&list=OLAK5uy_ndFtIIyUrUb6b2u4aNNYAKG9qGcKj1CcU&index=9https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ndFtIIyUrUb6b2u4aNNYAKG9qGcKj1CcU>Ecstatic reviews greeted Marc-Andre Hamelin's first (and thus far only) all-Chopin album, uniting and surprising critics across the world as poetry combined with Hamelin's superhuman virtuosity. The Sunday Times noted: "Hamelin, a poet among virtuosos, brings sensibility and a brilliant technique in equal measure to this oft-recorded music. Spellbinding." The New York Times pointed to "an astonishing lyrical gift that increasingly comes to light," when Hamelin plays Chopin. Included are two mainstays of the Romantic repertoire: Chopin's Piano Sonatas Nos 2 and 3, alongside a musical aperitif in the form of the Berceuse, Op 57.In addition to Liszt's Piano Sonata in B minor, I think I also want to spend the next month or so exploring a wide variety of recordings of these two Chopin piano sonatas. There's a few other works I might add to that exploration list, perhaps Rach's piano sonatas and Debussy's Preludes, but yeah, for sure these and Liszt.
I own many Bruckner cycles, and I've come to the conclusion that this is the only one I need.
>>131343763Wow this is some fucking boring Chopin playingHamelin is the piano equivalent of beige
>>131343829At least there is a naked ass on the cover.
>>131343829True, he's generally better in the repertoire where there isn't much competition. Thanks for trying it!
>>131343816but the 5th :Sand the 9th is merely good. I forgot how the 6th and 7th are. But yeah the 3rd, 4th, and 8th are pretty fantastic
Are remasters always an improvement?
It's timehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5Edt0pcq_Q&list=OLAK5uy_lpM85PPS7U9T6zTMBbuzgqe5kv6Lkt2L4&index=1
sex with bruckner 4
>>131344001The 5th isn't bad at all imo. The 6th isn't top-tier, but it's better than most. The 7th is pretty much exactly how I want it to sound.
>>131344105The ending makes me feel like picrel every time
>>131344313*Chailly + Berlin nail it https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w7O8tuW_Hks&list=PLa1rC97wRkZhZZ8sbyUE7_QTJLjQ78nQA&index=22&pp=iAQB8AUB
>>131344032Not really. The Solti Ring for example sounds substantially worse outside of its initial CD release, because the tapes suffered degradation over time and they did a bad remaster of it in 1997 with shoddy immature denoising methods of it at the time, which every subsequent release was based off of, save for the recent 2022 release.However the 2022 release seen here >>131344048 has other problems, where the degradation of the tapes is noticable in a few spots, and they, for whatever reason, dynamically compressed the shit out of the release, making it sound far louder and glary than before. Which is funny because the Solti cycle was already not that dynamic, so they just made it brickwalled basically.
>>131344405Damn, thanks.
>>131344048>Soltilmao
>>131339897Die in hell.
>>131344910Live in heaven.
You can't play me something better than Ballade 4.
Mozart is garbage.
>>131344971correct
>>131344971Indeed. Personally it goes right through me without leaving any kind of impression. When compared with the music of Bach for example, it's amateur. I've forced my ears to listen to many of his works and the only piece of music with some sustenance is his Dies Irae. The rest of his works are more repetitive than Vivaldi's music. At least Vivaldi's music resonates deeply and carries with it some emotion; though this could be the overuse of the circle of fifths in the glorious fashion he employed it. Mozart's music is sterile, dull and lifeless.
>>131344971ngmi
>>131344971Most of his work is frivolous and juvenile, I have to admit.
>>131345166Do you people seriously believe this
>>131336421>>131336156Fair.>>131336287> Handel & HaydnThey are great for Baroque music (especially considering that BSO barely does Baroque) but what about later periods?
>>131344691It's not always cut and dry, though. Plenty of remasters that do sound better than an old transfer. As usual you should compare and contrast.
Immortal Mozart! You, to whom I owe everything, to whom I owe the loss of my reason, the wonder that overwhelmed my soul, the fear that gripped my inmost being; you, who are the reason I did not go through life without there being something that could make me tremble; you, whom I thank for the fact that I shall not have died without having loved…
>>131345280Yes. For the most part, his music is dull, predictable and overly jolly.
Cosima describes a most agreeable picture. Richard is in splendid spirits. Dinner conversation is more animated than usual. Progress on the duet between Klingsor and Kundry is proceeding apace, and there is a provocative new article on the Jews from the Deutsche Reichspost to discuss. After the dinner plates have been cleared, our couple retires to the parlor for their regular evening reading—this week, Walter Scott's Waverly. But Richard is in a mood for some four-hand music. Seidl and the other copyists are invited to join them. Richard takes out his worn copy of Haydn symphonies and sits down at his new Steinway with Cosima. Together they read through Symphony No. 82 in C Major (the "Bear"). Everyone is enchanted. "In him," he observes, "one clearly sees how the popular genius finds its way. The form is more compact than in Mozart; he always went after the melody, had no time to spare for the work (with the exception of the four great symphonies). This is why these Haydn works are also much more interesting." Playing through a Mozart symphony with Seidl confirms his reservations about Mozart, whom he pronounces "a great chromaticist," but adds, "he rarely gave expression to his nature."
>>131345661I've only been to a few of their concerts, and the one that stuck out to me most was Mendelssohn's "Elijah". I thought they did great. They're performing it again this season so that should be fun.>>131345280of course they don't
>>131345943> Mendelssohn's ElijahThanks, I'll check it out. I have jack planned for May anyway.
what are some of the best waltzes ever composed??
>>131346216Brahms' and of course Chopin's.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZIG80RIflUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiTu6g2TqC8
The greatest
Can anybody identify the wonderful wind instrument used towards the end of this track?https://litter.catbox.moe/nhxtyxhigfkp6sew.mp3
Scriabinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nprS0PSIslE&list=OLAK5uy_n1ZZTF2AIcbdGHacrWILnZA98-yHUdX7A&index=9
got DAMN what a lewd opera
>>131345166Of course, he wrote a lot of it when he was a child.
>>131345661Haydn isn't baroque.
>>131347063Does he actually rape her?
>>131348457he raped her ears. I don't know if that counts.
>>131348469It does #believewomen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TevLRvpcicEThis is it. The peak, the finale. The end of music. Nothing can be ever greater then this, nothing can ever last as this will. Nothing will surpass this.How can you literally perfect "perfection"?Mozart did it, HE ENDED FUCKING MUSIC ITSELF
>>131344405If you're into audio quality and equipment, could you help me out? I want to download Barbirolli's "English string music" album and there are 2 torrents on RThttps://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1219349https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5489778The first is a rip of a standalone CD from the 2000s, the second is part of an EMI compilation from the 2010s. The latter is supposedly remastered, but sounds grottier and seems to have more sussurus than the former. Is there a way of testing definitively which is best?
Kyrie eleison!
Just found my new favourite Talk Classical member.
>>131344992I knew this forced Mozart hate came from complete retards like this Mosleyfag, kek. Makes perfect sense now.
>>131346216Ravel is the greatest waltz composer.
>>131348532I knew this forced Mozart love came from complete retards like this Mahofag, kek. Makes perfect sense now.
>>131348674You really won't stop until this place is just me and you left, huh
>>131348611Based. /classical/ supports TTD.
>>131348683Just me, actually. At last, no more Moshart posts will be allowed to clutter up these threads, and we will be able to discuss great works of art.
Beethoven's ""piano"" "music" is really just chimney material junk, takes some time to realize tho. But nonetheless, it is my guilty pleasure... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlSG3BIOw8EEh, I guess we all have flaws.
>>131348730>I guess we all have flawsOh, don't be so modest, anon.
lmao the color scheme on this review, I can't read shit!https://bachcellosuites.co.uk/bach-cello-suites-home/list-of-reviews/susan-sheppard/Must be a sign for me to stay away from this more baroque style recordings of Bach's cello suites.
I do not like Shostakovich's music. It insists upon itself.
>>131349077This but late Scriabin
>>131348537based>>131348711>t. Scriabinfag>>131348730b8https://youtu.be/ShVlZZ2Wo2w?si=gN9pOiIQ0CgtGOXQ&t=1938
Scriabinhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=XKpKiFAF19I
>>131346216https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmCnQDUSO4I
>>131348991> baroque style recordings Some are good:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCV_mqCTNtU
>>131346216Khachaturian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPp3Qh-GRqs
>>131346216Tchaikovsky Waltz from Swan Lake https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CShopT9QUzw
>L'art pompier, literally "Fireman Art", is a derisive late-nineteenth-century French term for large "official" academic art paintings of the time, especially historical or allegorical ones. It derives from the helmets with horse-hair tails, worn at the time by French firemen, which are similar to the Greek-style helmets often worn in such works by allegorical personifications, classical warriors, or Napoleonic cavalry. It also suggests half-puns in French with Pompéin ("from Pompeii"), and pompeux ("pompous"). Pompier art was seen by those who used the term as the epitome of the values of the bourgeoisie, and as insincere and overblown.
>>131350290Beethoven is the prime example of this btw.
>>131350302b8
>>131350323Name anything more pompous than the finale of his 7th.
>>131349365>>131350323>b8>anything my tiny brain cannot comprehend: b8Negative IQ.
>>131350382literally any music written after 1849
>>131350421 Holy based. You forgot to mention before 1825 too, precisely when Chopin - the one and only great man who has ever lived - published his Op. 1.
Who is the most soccer mom composer, Mozart or Chopin?
>>131350581its called el fútbol you stinky gringo
Hola, amigos. Where do I start with Sibelius? I've been listening to some Eugen Ormany conductions but I want a proper introduction.
>>131350628>>131350603Classical music is for whites only. >>>/mu/
>>131350581Chopin.
>>131350290Daily reminder that a tranny made this chart.
>>131350290Why does Liszt looks like he has down syndrome here
>>131350628His Violin Concerto.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4qovV8Okvshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGZh_VivKa4&list=OLAK5uy_kqYm_357UDfxb3fmO7uNdmGuyoan-KdTE&index=4
I've started work on pic related, your submissions encouraged and appreciated>>131350651based, also RIP>>131350660anon, i.....
>>131350699fuck you
>>131350680the second one seems better, but the first is played by a burn victim so it seems impolite not to prefer it
>>131350581Mozart.
List of good composers:>every composer you dislikeList of bad composers:>every composer you likeNow just replace the words 'good' and 'bad' with something more fancy. We did it, leddit!
>131350699Nice garbage AI slop. Kill yourself.
>>131350704>>131350782>t. Scriabinfag
>131350793Wrong, I'm a Faurefag. Now do everyone a favor and kill yourself.
>>131349739I haven't heard that one but I've been listening to Pieter Wipelway's 2nd(?) set and really enjoying it, which motivates me to try some more baroque-influenced sets, especially as I've heard almost all of the more romantic ones.
>>131350775the only objectively bad "famous" (though not really any more) classical composer is spohr
>>131350836>objectively
>>131350845yeah that's why everyone forgot about him despite some faggots trying to make him a thing again
>>131350802>unironically referring to yourself as a fag
>>131350905>unironically being a tripfag
>>131350905Still not nearly as homosexual as being a tripfag.
>>131350885Sorry, what does objectivity have to do with popularity again? Words have meanings, anon.
>using fag, faggot, gay or homosexual in derogatory context
>>131350954>t. gay faggot homosexual fag
Allan Petterssonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLADRH3dk8U&list=OLAK5uy_n5Cl8uI1fJZV3ZzdAs8D-88tknRdG6nk4&index=1If I could get all of /classical/ to listen to the symphony cycles of three lesser-known composers, I would choose Allan Pettersson, George Lloyd, and... I suppose Kurt Atterberg.
>>131351113We would all die of boredom.
>>131351154Missing out, anon. There's more to symphonies than just Mozart and Beethoven, Bruckner and Mahler, Dvorak and Tchaikovsky, Shostakovich and Schumann, fantastic and worthy of repeat listening all of those are.
>>131351180Bold of you to assume these composers have good "smyphonies". More like a couple good symphony each, at most.
>>131351180Yeah there's also Haydn, Schubert, Mendelssohn, Brahms, Sibelius, Prokofiev, the list could go on...
>>131351287Okay, then? Then you try the symphonies of Bax, George Lloyd, Malcolm Arnold, Pettersson, Atterberg, Sindling, Roy Harris, Franz Schmidt, Martinu, Weinberg, William Schuman, Egon Wellesz, Alfven, Parry, Hanson, Alwyn, Hartmann, Simpson, Tibbett, Roussel, Glazunov, Lutoslawski, Schnittke, Hamerik, Holmboe, Walter Piston... variety is the spice of life, and most of these lesser-known symphonists are from the early 20th century, so they better speak to our lived experience.
>>131351342Oh sure, there's also Martinu and.. uh... Ralph Vaughan Williams I guess.
Now, don't get me wrong, is it better to listen to, say, Bruckner's 8th ten times instead of merely once, and then once nine other lesser-known symphonies? Yes. But once you get to forty, fifty, sixty times... at that point, yeah, one ought spare some of that time on the lesser-known symphonists, even if just to try them, and of course you may find something you love, perhaps something distinctive which expands your aesthetic imagination, which has the ability to expand one's broadness of thinking in general.
>>131351381We don't get to forty, fifty times, we have lives.
Blomstedt's Bruckner 3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjx-UiTfikI&list=OLAK5uy_lfO0D9nEkr5K3Y2guLjYSdcJG2JqDLlyE&index=9
alright here's a random super obscure symphony are you happyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2P-asg2te50
>fully HISSing >decide to give a shot to a modern Sibelius recording>instant regretNever listen to post-war recordings. Never. Even if the alternative is (c)rap.
who is the dolly parton of /classical/
give me the slowest most tastelessly drawn out mahler 5 adagietto you've ever heard
>>131352707https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk4I0EXQ62Y
>>131352866that's cheating
>>131351438I don't believe you. Even if you're relatively young, say 25, and you got into classical at 20, giving you only a limited period of serious engagement, fifty times would require you to listen to your preferred symphony no more than ten times a year. Mahler and Bruckner aside, that's going to be around 30-50 minutes of your leisure time, which cuts less into your life than most other comparable activities like watching a movie. Do you even love a piece of music you can't even bring yourself to listen to more than a few times? Rather than not having a life, that's just not liking the music very much.
If you are more than 25, go to classicaltalk or something.
Soothed by Maria Callas' I vespri Siciliani. She's so effortless.
>>131351777Neat!
>>131352678Van Cliburn
Any hitlerian classical not made by wagner
>>131352707okay, are you sure you're ready?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB3Fcgy7muw&list=OLAK5uy_nTjbeMvwcOlLc1FZX5QOFvMD78-8L3YAc&index=4
It's timehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7zk3g713_M&list=OLAK5uy_kq2ynfC2d8bEst8WMeV74u5etJSYfYJiM&index=1
>>131353760Hitler loved Bruckner.
>>131353967that explains why nazis are so autistic
Where do I start with Medtner? Any particular piece that is a must hear?
>>131354850This was pretty good imo >>131342646
>>131354864What do you like about it?
>>131352678Glenn Gould
The Three Bs: Brahms, Bruch and Bruckner.
The Three Gs: Wagner, Ravel and Chopin.
>>131355547the g stands for gay
>>131353020why are you talking about classical music if you're under 25?
>>131355598Why not?
>>131355578>>131350958
>>131352707>>131353777>>131352866Give me the fastest to compare.
>>131355608because you lack the capacity to appreciate it and are thus just pretending
>>131356132That's just like your opinion man.
>>131351342For the most part, their worth is measured by their capacity to illuminate how incredible the truly great composers are.
>>131356132Why do you think that?
>>131356315people under 25 have no souls yet and thus have no capacity to appreciate art
>>131356339>people under 25 have no soulsElaborate.
>>131351342>most of these lesser-known symphonists are from the early 20th century, so they better speak to our lived experience.lmao
>>131334597so much talentyet few good compositions
>>131354908It sounds good!
>>131353813Y'know, the singing on this isn't as bad as everyone says.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNfGiqd1cPg&list=OLAK5uy_kq2ynfC2d8bEst8WMeV74u5etJSYfYJiM&index=4I like it.
let's check The Classic Review... looks like a new Rafal Blechacz recording just dropped with Kent Nagano conducting.Mozart 24https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUD2nsybQc8&list=OLAK5uy_l3n5uPChJN-XIxbkXRXNRKz5m8Dax0Sfs&index=1Beethoven PC 3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxXalEMYQrY&list=OLAK5uy_l3n5uPChJN-XIxbkXRXNRKz5m8Dax0Sfs&index=4Beethoven WoO 80https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1605xpU-yUA&list=OLAK5uy_l3n5uPChJN-XIxbkXRXNRKz5m8Dax0Sfs&index=7>Rafal Blechacz returns with a compelling new Deutsche Grammophon album centered on the expressive power of C minor. Together with the Dresdner Philharmonie under Kent Nagano, he presents Mozart's Piano Concerto No. 24 in C Minor, K. 491 and Beethoven's Piano Concerto No. 3 in C Minor, Op. 37 - two landmark works that reveal the dramatic, introspective and visionary possibilities of the piano concerto. The program is completed by Beethoven's 32 Variations in C Minor, WoO 80, placing Blechacz both in dialog with orchestra and alone at the keyboard. The album offers a focused, repertoire-driven narrative that connects Mozart and Beethoven through one of classical music's most charged tonalities, while showcasing Blechacz's artistry in major concerto repertoire and solo Beethoven.review,https://theclassicreview.com/album-reviews/review-mozart-piano-concerto-no-24-beethoven-piano-concerto-no-3-rafal-blechacz/get it while it's hot!
>>131357069>Rafał Blechacz’s recent release is, in his own words, a continuation of an earlier project he recorded for DG back in 2008, an album of sonatas by Haydn, Beethoven, and Mozart. The unifying motif of this new chapter, in part a collaboration with Kent Nagano and the Dresdner Philharmonie, is the key of C minor: a key whose emotional weight Blechacz finds significant.Huh, interesting. Any anons here into or even obsessed with a particular key?
Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdcH05CROi8&list=OLAK5uy_nSkDxTRNenb51I3To7gYjtHxaewvgfmBw&index=1
Favorite recording of Puccini's Turandot?
>>131355653Mahler's intended tempo:https://youtu.be/TJKhckXIFGE>>131357038Coming from you that isn't exactly high praise.
>>131357839>Coming from you that isn't exactly high praise.The problem is you guys seem to think whenever someone says "I like it" it's the equivalent of saying it's a 10/10. It wasn't making me see God like Bohm, Solti, or Karajan, but I certainly enjoyed it and listened to the Das Rheingold and Die Walkure in one sitting without turning it off. It was a good use of time.
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