Leoncavallo edition.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mONTSRzdRZwThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>131357900
>All of humanity's cruelties and inequities are justified by Beethoven's late string quartets.how's that
>>131392642Is it just me or is that interpretation a touch too melodramatic?
>mfw the first movement of Mahler 3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDNCkkP3Rsc&list=OLAK5uy_kZsqDjXFZwXTd-1No02pMIL9Z3HwbLkBk&index=1
>>131392688It's not an oratorio, anon; it's a story about a cuckolded clown, it BETTER be melodramatic
>>131392661hmmm yes a retardedly art-fetishizing statement... i love it! *cums*
>>131392718haven't you heard that the ends justify the means? It's okay for armies to rape and murder women and children for centuries if you get a good ditty out of it eventually
>>131392738I mean... yeah.
Schuberts godly chamber music
>>131392754totes
>>131392773goodish*
>>131392506I was just listening to Mahler's 5 yesterday, and thought about posting it here.
Pasquinihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qN_7krgbyk&list=OLAK5uy_nnyS4k-AQFtq_XcK79ofRMFHUDTyT6igg&index=9
Mendelssohnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA2rSZslEAs&list=OLAK5uy_leQ6_j-z7QbElg3MjZyLuSG-a3gWwCsaA&index=5
I find the more I listen to Ashkenazy's solo piano output, the less I like it. I'm not quite ready to dismiss such an acclaimed pianist yet, but I don't know, his Chopin, his Rachmaninoff, his Beethoven, his Bach, it all seems so impotent and dull.
>>131393002have you considered that maybe it's your ears that are dull and impotent
>>131393027pls no bullyAnd hence the "I'm not quite ready to dismiss such an acclaimed pianist yet" qualifier
You can't really appreciate classical music unless you play piano and violin
>>131393068ah yes, playing the two most entry-level, normie-friendly instruments outisde of pop music are what one needs to "appreciate" classical
Rachmaninoff.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsGe7UuVuCY&list=PLMcBusFbgSXHXaL_lKLSOMLnEGLADE8q5&index=4An exquisite recording of this romantic masterpiece.
>>131393068This except singing.
>>131393083whoa
>>131393068This, except Cavaillé-Coll organ
Does Lisiecki not have recordings of Chopin's piano sonatas? Very strange.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9pZSS1oJX4&list=OLAK5uy_letTXp1RZcIu6_z_3AJREDbe6Brvhr-MY&index=6
>>131393151Good. This guy sucks.
Now that I'm not as Mahler obsessed as I once was, I gotta admit... his 3rd does seem a tad too long to listen to casually. I need like an intermission to make it through lol. 100 minutes, damn.
>not listening to electroacoustic musicngmihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8varyj7B1k
Favorite Lieder?
>>131393083he looks like John Hurt
>>131393331I don't know about favorite but I do love this recording,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwZYiZdPMqk&list=OLAK5uy_kRLgjTk7tRsTn7NOJyNZA3DaE22_3GhNM&index=1
>>131393331https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sflfR-WcqKg&list=OLAK5uy_lNTwJ9qL9rhkJr0kmy5mwNImx6UcZa4ak&index=3
>>131393331peep the Art Songs list on this pagehttps://www.talkclassical.com/threads/compilation-of-the-tc-top-recommended-lists.17996/
>>131393331https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwZYiZdPMqkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39HqacXtaQMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBVpB6-1I6whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9TZB3nI71ohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPYyMkn5L5ghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C8b0J4wpGI
>>131393321Not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try /mu/ instead?
>>131393331https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_m5FUU4OgA&list=OLAK5uy_nPRIWCgABjVXqXNjjkECiF6xT2MjYWmhw&index=1
Nothin' like listening to Chopin's Etudes before going out.
>put on Chopin's Etudes>as soon as Op. 10, No. 1 "Waterfall" begins to play, it starts pouring outside my windowsp00ky
shostakovich symphony 4 - masterpieceshostakovich 5 - masterpieceshostakovich 6 - masterpieceshostakovich 7 - masterpieceshostakovich 8 - masterpieceshostakovich 9 - masterpieceshostakovich 10 - masterpieceshostakovich 11 - masterpieceshostakovich 12- masterpiecepretty impressive!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq_xR8FGTLc&list=OLAK5uy_knglD25rzvXbe9X_6ZPv7udNbl-2hrgtI&index=5
>>131393331die taubenpost
>>131392699>kräftig
>>131393868wow, imagine being this shit at liking music
>>131393397me when someone posts music composed roughly before 1750 or after 1820
>>131393951don't reply to my posts
https://youtu.be/N6sUlZa-IrU
FINE, i WILL listen to Gieseking's Debussyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-ywGXkre04&list=OLAK5uy_nBWtByoYXcOnqv6VhZzLJm4Zrrm1uXUJk&index=31
>>131392082>>131392114>>131393097While I agree with other anons that it's not really sheet music, the biggest difference for me is the form. Most movie/game soundtracks are 10-40 songs (and really song fragments - often they are not even complete pieces), with no musical relation to each other. It's just a set of pieces that the director can quickly switch depending on who or what is on camera, which is fair since that's the purpose of a game or movie OST. But a collection of disjointed pieces does not make classical music.That said, I would actually want, for i.e. John Williams to arrange main tracks from Star Wars into a proper symphony with development, persistent motives, split into movements, and so on. I think it could be amazing. But there's little incentive, and since a movie studio would hold the rights to the OST, they'll likely want a cut of each performance, which further makes it unappealing to an orchestra.
>>131394225>That said, I would actually want, for i.e. John Williams to arrange main tracks from Star Wars into a proper symphony with development, persistent motives, split into movements, and so on....but why? so you can :O face at the nostalgia and recognizing the reference?
>>131394225I think the crucial aspect is a bit more intangible: Context, environment, intent, and the conscious continuation (however disjointed, iconoclastic, or avant-garde) of a tradition. These people, the OST so-called composers use "classical" techniques and instruments to create an appendix, inherently secondary and accidental, to some other primary work of art (film, videogame) and bearing little to no relation, beyond a superficial sound-world, to academic music.
>>131394251What is the difference between a film score and incidental music to a play, e.g. Peer Gynt?
>>131394237> ...but why?Because he wrote amazing bangers and I want to hear them in symphonic form. >>131394251You say potato, I say potatoe.
>ctrl+f "beethoven symphonies'>delete symphony nos. 1, 2, & 4finally, i can listen to these sets in piece without having to get up and skip something
>>131394261Well, aside from the fact that theatre (drama, generally speaking) and music developed hand-in-hand in western culture, not much. But if you think that's going to get Grieg out or some OST composer in on a technicality you're sorely mistaken: Leaving aside the fact that Grieg was not by any measure of the word a "stage composer", so to speak, even those who *only or by and large mostly* composed for the stage (be it a play or opera) did so within the context and environment and tradition and intent I mentioned, being firmly rooted in academia.
>>131394273I don't care what you say.
>>131394294How long would it take for a tradition of OST writing to have built up to the point where it would be as respectable as the tradition of e.g. opera?
>>131394309How is anyone supposed to know that? Three hundred years. Why not.
>>131394273just listen to all the composers he ripped off
durrr why aren't MY favorite of the literally thousands of late 20th/21st century composers of romantic pastiche accompaniments for pop entertainment part of the standard classical repertoire it's not faaaaiiir
>>131394273no one who says "bangers" when talking of music deserves to enjoy symphonic music
Johann Baptist Joseph Maximilian Regerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MGrQcr1YiEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmwcWsqvRSohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deF8dzaZaBs>Reger’s Romantic Suite was composed in a burst of creative energy during a six-month period in 1912, which also saw the composition of Op.123, 124, and 126. Described by Reger as his “first attempt at program music,” the work is more indebted to Debussy’s Prelude to the Afternoon of a Faun than to the hyper-programmaticism of Richard Strauss. Indeed, Reger was very familiar with Debussy’s Prelude and had conducted it with the Meiningen Hofkapelle Orchestra.>The first movement, Notturno, starts off with muted horns and flute, and is reminiscent of the beginning of Debussy’s Prelude to the Afternoon of a Faun. Although Reger employs Impressionistic harmonies, his approach to melodic and formal construction is decidedly developmental in nature. Unlike Debussy, Reger cannot repeat a phrase without variation or development.>The second movement, Scherzo, is supposed to evoke the image of fairies or sprites cavorting in the woods. The obvious model here is Mendelssohn’s Midsummer Night’s Dream; however, Reger’s interpretation of the imagery is much less frenetic than Mendelssohn’s.>The Finale begins, like the first movement, in the Debussyian manner. This quickly changes to a series of gradually escalading climaxes in which the orchestral tutti is utilized to its fullest extent. Reger’s developmental gifts, coupled with his highly modulatory harmonic language is ideally suited for the depiction of the poem’s imagery, namely, that of an eagle ascending in the sky to meet the rising sun.>While the restlessness of Reger’s harmonies and his contrapuntal complexities are often mentioned in the critical literature, there has not been nearly enough attention paid to his first-rate ability as an orchestrator. Reger’s orchestrations were informed by work as a conductor and a performer of/composer for organ.
ngl I get filtered by Debussy.
LohengrinI consistently listen to this recording by Barenboim, Seiffert, and SK Berlin. If anyone knows other recordings of good quality I'd be eager to listen.https://youtu.be/MEVLL0dha54Bartók - Piano ConcertiAnon recommended to me in chart thread. Listening to Bartók sounds like a bridge between modern avant garde + atonal and late romantic and neoclassical trends.https://youtu.be/dwLEtaLG1vU
>>131395732>Barenboim
>>131395738Enlighten me then with your sagacity if you are so displeased.
>>131395732The Kempe recording usually considered the gold standard. But if you ask me, you really can't go wrong with any of the usual big names: Karajan, Solti, Sawallisch, Janowski, and then you have some additional choices in Abbado, Kubelik, Colin Davis, Leinsdorf, Mark Elder, and Bichkov. It's very much like Mahler 9 or Bruckner 8, where the source material is so divine, it inspires whoever picks up the task of performance to, at minimum, stately heights.
>>131392642Question for the enjoyers of Bach's Sonatas and Partitas for Solo Violin: which arrangements do you like?I sometimes listen to:Lute/Hopkinson Smith: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyuV-fRfLLU&list=OLAK5uy_lxUJCn1rGd-pMXj61oqjMhaU9WXlDK_pw&index=2Very warm and pleasant sound. Lack of a bow makes the sound less intense, but still quite a good listen.Guitar/Eliot Fisk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNTEgQJOqnU&list=OLAK5uy_nR5cFwISii0CxTUhESZpKza5eVXXPjk3s&index=2He also recorded a great Cello Suites arrangement for Guitar. I think I'm missing a bow more here.Not a fan of piano arrangements, but happy to check out anything else.
>>131395802lol bichkov
>>131395792Barenboim is shit
>>131395828Are you laughing at the fact we have to call him that here or at my inclusion of his recording? Because it's pretty bomb, easily the best 21st century one over Mark Elder and Janowski.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbo_2lFqyB0&list=OLAK5uy_liobAcD3F_jMdBjRN6rWZ7Yuxygbt9Ftw&index=1hell yeah>>131395841chill, Barenboim is fine, just depends on you like it
>>131395822Harpsichordhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK0gn0EfULE&list=OLAK5uy_kZA__NkR9hwG-AHFTvnzX_N_mCpLkareQ
>>131395848Barenboim is shit
>>131395848his name is literally BITCHKOV LMAO!!!
>>131395882It's poetic. We cannot say L's name, we cannot say B's name. Bichkov was Lohengrin all along.
>>131395848Botha deez nutz
>>131395893holy shit
>>131395887>We cannot say L's namewho
>>131395897That's the plot of Lohengrin
>>131395897>>131395902And before I'm corrected, can't tell you his name, can't say his name, same dif
>>131395902wow Wagner sure loved to take liberties with the stories he used for his operas huh
>>131395917He was predicting Bichkov.But no, that's what writers of previous eras did. This whole faithful thing is very much a modern sensibility. It's just for inspiration and familiarity.
>>131395943I'm very glad to be modern then; the original stories are always better than Wagner's treatment of them
>>131395943Handel making Solomon faithful and monogamous also comes to mind. Btw are his oratorios similar in structure to operas in how there isn't much of a plot or flow to the thing?
>>131395966And like most moderns, you probably only say that because it's the original. Anyway, I really could not care less about this point. Better, worse, all that matters is if it works or not.
>>131395975sure
>>131395969>Btw are his oratorios similar in structure to operas in how there isn't much of a plot or flow to the thing?Not sure what you're asking. Regardless I'm sure I do not know.
>>131395982why did you fucking reply then you stupid cunt
>>131395986Because if I didn't, it'd be like I was ghosting or ignoring, and therefore rude.
>>131395975So true, sister
>>131395822https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoTUr7ygpyY&list=OLAK5uy_mXjVj7CfPO3b0c5acAl3sCMBUvz61i8As&index=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu58ljJEAxo&list=OLAK5uy_nPRMLvlKgB0QiYBP5PDOUtnRw4XE3Tkvk&index=5https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB4Zak7NKqc&list=OLAK5uy_m4DFUjXSILH3uib4P4XC8Z8v5lRcH0wRk&index=1
>>131395966The original stories weren't written in three acts and would make for shitty operas.
>>131396033They did, yeah
>The visionary experience is cloaked, in Dante's case, by the introduction of historical facts, and, in that of Wagner, by mythological events so that history and mythology are sometimes taken to be the materials with which these poets worked. But with neither of them does the moving force and the deeper significance lie there. For both it is contained in the visionary experience.
>>131396045who else made operas based on them?
Have you guys wound up your grandpa's clock?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufDaECmsXNw
Baroque got swing, and it got bounce nigga, that's why cool jazz cats fuck wit it
>>131396071Wagner
>>131396056genuinely meaningless
>>131396330I thought Herbie Hancock and them were inspired by Stockhausen and avant-garde stuff more than anything. Maybe some late romantic and neoclassical.
>>131396357Hancock has fuckall to do with any of that OR baroque. He was probably referring to the Modern Jazz Quartet
>>131396354It's a straightforward description of a psychological theory, which you may or may not agree with, but there's nothing 'meaningless' about it. I sometimes wonder if being musically trained can stunt verbal development because I come across way too many musicians who are essentially retarded when it comes to wrapping their head around new ideas.
>>131396350else (1/2) – adverb1. a: in a different manner or place or at a different time.>how else could he have acted>here and nowhere elseb: in an additional manner or place or at an additional time>where else is gold found2. if not/otherwise>leave or else you'll be sorry—used absolutely to express a threat>do what I tell you or elseelse (2/2) – adjectivea: being different in identity>it must have been somebody elseb: being in addition>what else did he say?
I tried to make a Das Rheingold reference and described Fasol clubbing Fafner and not the other way around, it's so over
>>131396642Fafner/Fafnir is the original mythological dragon, so that's a good way to remember.
>>131396731Good thinking, thanks.
>>131395400This Cho recording is a good starting place, then the Preludeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWpU-kXLXko&list=OLAK5uy_moN5zgGJuo2UOrzlw-WxmqEi4dqiw6Zwc&index=1Still though, don't ever think that there's any composer everyone has to like, that you have to like every big name, you don't. Except Beethoven.
Speaking of Debussy, I was reading a review of the Regis Gieseking set, and the reviewer kept making comparisons with another name I was not familiar with: Ogawa. I guess she has her own complete Debussy set. Peep this quote by the reviewer,>A recent transfer of the Gieseking cycle on Regis prompted me to make a detailed comparison between Ogawa and Gieseking in all the “canonical” works. Did we still need Gieseking after all these years? I concluded that, in ten pieces, he remains unassailable. In all the rest Ogawa equalled, and sometimes surpassed him.high praise! Anyone familiar with this set? Once I finish listening to the Gieseking one, I will be spending the rest of the week going through this one.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PZFWza6dgw&list=OLAK5uy_lBcsG0KmCvkssx3q2mr3z8z71IRVcDQC8&index=1
Brucknerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bOpyrOq2zo&list=OLAK5uy_kU4ZV-yKPUB5umE9Uurd1daEsFrB4jbms&index=1
>>131396920One of the most dogshit performances on record
>>131396417It's meaningles babble, just like your post
>>131396429*whoosh*
>>131397239Would you be shocked to learn his other 8th is a near 10/10?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4uO5t9EfSk&list=OLAK5uy_ndRkKR4jb30lAptuK0ZvulGYmzEGc3750&index=1
Nothin' like listening to Scriabin's Etudes before going out.
What's the /classical/ approved complete Scriabin set?
>>131398573https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byWqzpG5k34&list=OLAK5uy_n-DRos36zZydaTNVxBsWaCXuTAfGIaGVo&index=76
>mfw I go from a hiss set to a non-hiss set
>>131394251>inherently secondary and accidental, to some other primary work of artThat's just called incidental music, no? Which was historically classical.>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incidental_musicBut videogame and film soundtracks aren't classical music because they don't belong to the tradition. It doesn't really matter that the music is fragmented and there is no overarching form and development. Even though film scores were strongly influenced by Wagner via Korngold in the beginning, and some videogame music uses orchestral sound packs, that's not enough to make it classical ("violins = le classical" is the retard definition). Intent, function and distribution are really important, and soundtracks just don't fulfill the criteria.
>>131398573There is no approved complete Scriabin set. Stop being lazy and relying on garbage complete sets in general. They almost always give you a false impression of the composer.Scriabin's a notoriously difficult composer to understand and play right. The worst thing is to get one of these shit complete sets and form your opinion based on that. It's always neutered and sterile music.Scriabin needs to be wild and spontaneous, which means live recordings are usually the way to go. There will be mistakes and excess, but that's fine.The only recordings you really need are>Richter's Warsaw Scriabin Recital>Sofronitsky's Scriabin Recital (a compilation that's not 100% live, the first tracks are studio recordings)>Feinberg's Scriabin Mazurkas>maybe some of Horowitz's wildly inconsistent ScriabinAs for the complete piano sonata sets, Ashkenazy and Szidon are both great, but still far from perfect. Nothing else is even worth mentioning in the same breath as Scriabin.
>>131398036Yes, because I've heard it, and it's mid.
>>131394225>>131394251>>131398596There is a lot of music used in films that uses development and a lot of music by baroque, classical and romantic period composers that use no development whatsoever. The fact that you didn't even mention this and just throw around the word 'development' discredits your entire opinion. "Classical music" is not as rigidly defined category as you make it out to be. Tons of orchestral film music can pass for a baroque/romantic orchestral suite just fine.
>>131392642now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V39p4Fbgz_A&t=828
>>131392661Incorrect. They are however justified by Chopin's 4 ballades and 3rd sonata.
The fact of this recording's existence makes me all fuzzy inside
>>131398592When is this screenshot from?
How would you rank them?
>>131400102the line of negative numbers only goes so far.
>>131400119really? I thought there were infinite numbers
>>131400127not for the purposes of answering your question.
>>131400133how come?
This is one of the best Reminiscenza I've ever heardhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAKLWmD8_s4And I have never heard of Yakov Flier. Very poetic, good rubato and expressive dynamics.
Did you guys try out the new Conductor Hero? Lame they got rid of Mozart's Prague symphony and Brahms' second, but at least they finally added Mendelssohn's 5th and Vaughan Williams' 2nd and 4th! Anyone able to beat the Charles Ives symphonies yet?
>>131400092It's fromhttp://www.lettberg.com/bilder/pdfs/classicstoday.com.pdfI don't have a ClassicsToday subscription to see the review on the actual site!
>>131400102Klemp, Walter, Furtwangler, Toscanini, Kleiber
>>131400066lol I've always felt the same
>>131398634You don't rate Alexeev?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqVD0SyTb84&list=OLAK5uy_mnNpQCY370Ht2Xw1zGHOJsFo-yiN5Eucs&index=135
>>131400102Furtwangler > Walter >> Klemperer >>>> rest.
>>131400257Really? That's quite unusual, I usually see Klemperer get a lot of hate. I'm also quite surprised at the lack of enthusiasm for Kleiber. I don't understand why you would rank Furtwangler above Toscanini but then put Kleiber behind Toscanini.
kleibers a hack
>>131400300Carlos, yes, Kleiber, no.
>>131395855Thanks, but fixed volume really does not help here.>>131396019> CelloGreat.> MandolinWild cover. Liked lute better. But fast parts are interesting. >RecorderI did not expect that. Sounds surprisingly good. I didn't know you can squeeze all that from a recorder.
If any Mahler symphony strives to be a universe unto itself, the 6th is two universes.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq7r-5tqZ7U&list=OLAK5uy_kfWJspr5hfj-l90N68iw9iVtb8xWq5RD0&index=26It contains more ideas of the highest order than most composers have in their entire oeuvre.
>tfw no Mendelssohn Cello Concertowhy live
Me when I post /mu/ instead of /classical/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gAdHl5kjR4
>>131400102Footwankler = Toscanini > Klemperer > Kleiber > Walter
now playingstart of Schubert: String Quartet No. 13 in A Minor, D. 804 "Rosamunde"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zkr8T6aVL50&list=OLAK5uy_nJBieGoCUwvCkUw7atbpT4636IgiVUQU8&index=2start of Schubert: String Quartet No. 14 in D Minor, D. 810 "Death and the Maiden"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2nDPiSaQQk&list=OLAK5uy_nJBieGoCUwvCkUw7atbpT4636IgiVUQU8&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nJBieGoCUwvCkUw7atbpT4636IgiVUQU8I know historically I've railed against the Emerson SQ and their output. It's been a while though. Let's give them another shot. Besides, it's impossible for these masterpieces to not sound good.
>>131400102Furtwangler > Kleiber > Klemperer > Walter > Toscanini
>>131400181Always nice to hear non-Hamelin Medtner.
Listen to The Great.
>>131401438A comment on that video was saying he forgot a page before the climax, yet I followed the entire score as I was listening and didn't notice it, wtf?
>>131401699Never a good feeling.
There was something Messianic about Wagner himself, a degree of megalomania that approached actual lunacy…He was a short man, about 5 feet, 5 inches tall, but he radiated power, belief in himself, ruthlessness, genius. As a human being he was frightening. Amoral, hedonistic, selfish, virulently racist, arrogant, filled with gospels of the superman (the superman naturally being Wagner) and the superiority of the German race, he stands for all that is unpleasant in human character…but his egomania was supported by genius, and after him music was not the same.There was no other composer who demanded so much from society, and Wagner was certainly not ashamed when it came to his needs: "I am not like other people. I need brightness and beauty and light. The world owes me what I need. I can't live with the miserable whistle of an organist like your master Bach." His selfishness was in madness.
>>131401720Did you notice it? I think the comment is not true
>>131399567Excuse me, illiterate cretin, but I literally said this in my post>It doesn't really matter that the music is fragmented and there is no overarching form and development
>>131401944I don't follow scores as I listen.
It's timehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEb-K6pefSg&list=OLAK5uy_kBHDffUKtERZqckkpuPfFkMu1TDxp5Ze8&index=1
>>131401956You said:>Intent, function and distribution are really importantBut I disagree. If you can't tell whether it's classical or not just by listening and/or analyzing the score, then classical is just a fancy label for marketing purposes and does not stand for anything artistic. The fact is, a lot of film and videogame music can be classified as classical music, as per the original and the most widespread definition of the term "classical music". Whether you like that or not is none of my concern.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Chk5KkcnP8How disrespectful
>>131402156>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Chk5KkcnP8Don't disrespect Chopin like that ever again.
>>131402473Based
Feeling sick, so just gonna stay in bed while listening to the Alexeev complete Scriabin set (9 and a half hours!!)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY3pbMqo4zQ&list=OLAK5uy_mnNpQCY370Ht2Xw1zGHOJsFo-yiN5Eucs&index=1
>>131402587My condolences.
>>131402024>If you can't tell whether it's classical or not just by listening and/or analyzing the score, then classical is just a fancy label for marketing purposes and does not stand for anything artisticThis is just an arbitrary definition that you made up and that has no basis in reality. I don't really care about your personal made-up theories when musicology actually exists and has settled the debate.
>>131401688Fine, I'll listen to his String Quintet in C major.
>>131402608You think both the Lettberg and Alexeev sets are shit? Must suck to be you.
>>131396824These are okay. The preludes I've never and still don't understand. I quite like some of the Schoenberg stuff but I can't grasp the frog.
>>131402637>The preludes I've never and still don't understand.I feel you on that. I try and listen to them at least once a month in hopes they'll click but more often than not I end up turning it off before the particular book ends and switching to something else. Someday...
>>131398596>>131399567Can retards please refrain from quoting my posts? Thanks
The Lettberg Scriabin set organizes the pieces by type (eg opening with the 10 sonatas, then all the preludes, then the etudes, then the mazurkas, then the poemes, et al.), whereas the Alexeev set organizes it by Opus order. Which do you think is superior?
>>131398573Unironically and genuinely Alexeev>>131398592Meme reply>>131398634>There is no approved complete Scriabin set.Yes there is
>>131402683Who cares? Lettberg's performance is atrocious and criminal and Alexeev's is one of the best in record
>>131396824Fuck Beethoven and fuck you, faggot.
>>131402705I'm just talking about the organizational structure, anon.
>>131402663Why? I'm literally on your side, moron.
>>131402713Based Scriabinfag
>>131402719Well, in that case opus order is the logical choice
>you CAN sing along to the entirety of Beethoven's Archduke piano trio, right, anon? ...anon???https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piATa1HaSaI&list=OLAK5uy_mwmFngD11j3HeOKgR2thg9M2jNERlnN_E&index=11for the hiss sisters,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0COgNKkpVY&list=OLAK5uy_msvkaXyuxJw-jayIi82T7oioODASFoTF8&index=21
>>131402663Because incidental music in a classical context is not inherently secondary and accidental. The point is that they were on equal terms, unlike with OSTs. Glad you understand the rest of my point, though. Sorry about calling you a retard. I slept wretchedly.
>>131402747I can sing along to the entirety of Chopin's sonata in B minor.
>>131402792not enough to impress Lindsay W./Linda C., I'm afraid.
>>131402801I'm sure you meant not bad enough, but I will forgive.
>>131402747>>131402792Can you produce multiple notes simultaneously? Do you have a polyphonic voice?
>>131402822Yes, I can clap the middle voices and fart the bass.
>>131402822I took notice of your snarky criticism last time, so I changed the wording to "sing along to the entirety of" instead of "sing every note of".
>he can only sing one note at a time and his vocal range is only two octaves
>>131402818if you don't like the Archduke trio, you might not even be human. I even linked a recording featuring your beloved Cortot, just for you
>>131402835And how is that different?
>>131402867Because you're following along, which means only one particular melodic line at any time. Duh.
>>131402857I never said I don't like it. And Cortot is indeed my beloved, yes. I'll listen to it in your honor later today.
>>131402881DO IT FOR HEROITFORHERand thank you
>>131402878"Entirety" means the whole thing. Try harder.
>>131402895...from beginning to end, anon. Not every line.
>>131402893Okay, I'll bite: who is this and why does she have such high musical standards for a boyfriend?
>>131402905Words have meaning. Try harder.
>>131402893I won't do it for some whore who can't even appreciate greatest piece ever composed (Chopin sonata in B minor), but I will do it for a fellow autist.
>>131402906She's an actress and you've gone too deep into the larping
>>131402906It's the main character from the TV show Freaks and Geeks. And it's a meme I use and force myself, basically about her expectation and subsequent shock that anon cannot do specific connoisseur or patrician intellectual, artistic activity.
>>131402921Yes, to demarcate from being able to sing along with some of it versus the entirety of it, from beginning to end... come on, anon. I won't reply on this subject again. Now, go listen to it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej10zsiJEf8&list=OLAK5uy_kLncL8WVmiD4BKnYijxq9dlva2v5F5NaY&index=71
>>131402936Freaks and Geeks does not sound like a show that would feature young aristocrats.
>>131402893I don't even know who this is
>>131402961It does not.
>>131402956Try. Harder.>I won't reply on this subject againI accept your concession.
>>131402964It doesn't matter. It's the crush/waifu of a retarded underage faggot, so he has to spam her everywhere.
>>131403000To be fair, she is very cute. I'd love to fumble her.
>>131403000It has very little do with the girl, anon. It's the fact she's recognizable, she's great and attractive in the show, and has a semi-exasperated expression on her face that makes it good for the posts I always accompany her with. I'm not trying to convert anyone to waifudom, it's about generating discussion and spreading the popularity of specific works, like the Archduke piano trio, a piece every anon here ought to know intimately, hence the girl's insistence that the anon interlocutor know it by heart, and shock and dismay if and when she discovers anon does not.
>>131403037didn't read
Johann Baptist Joseph Maximilian Reger (cont)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjYt0hTmF2Ehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIMDTBtzUiwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7i3PDf4st0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOz4tDXwjLI>While tone poems were a common genre around 1900, including many works by Richard Strauss, Reger typically wrote more abstract music. He described his Eine romantische Suite, Op. 125, and the tone poems after Böcklin as "Ausflug in das Gebiet der Programmusik" (Excursion in the realm of program music). The pieces can be played individually or as "a quasi-symphony".>Reger was inspired by the Swiss painter Arnold B"cklin. Reger's music is richly late Romantic, with that era's tendency to excess being held in check by Reger's formidable background in formal procedures. These tone paintings range from the moody and mysterious to the carefree. The first, "The violin-playing hermit" depicts the an old monk playing his violin for the Virgin while angels listen. "In Play amidst the Waves" depicts water sprites leaping and playing in the water in a vigorous yet delicate scherzo. The third movement is "The Isle of the Dead, " a painting which five years earlier had inspired a longer tone poem by Rachmaninov. It shows a vessel bearing a shrouded figure silently gliding towards a cypress, girt island; the mood is mysterious and bleak. "The Bacchanale" shows merrymakers brawling around a Roman tavern; it is a flighty and emotional. This intriguing music uses a fully late-romantic harmonic vocabulary and well-conceived orchestral colors.
Bit more thorough description>1. Der geigende Eremit (The Hermit Fiddler, literally: The hermit playing violin) is based on a painting Der Einsiedler (The Hermit) that Böcklin made in Florence in 1884. A solo violin is contrasted by a group of strings playing con sordino and another group playing not muted. The "ethereal :has been compared to Ralph Vaughan Williams' The Lark Ascending, composed in 1914.>2. Im Spiel der Wellen (literally: In the play of the waves) is based on a painting Im Spiel der Wellen (Playing in the Waves) that Böcklin made in 1883. Like the painting, the music evokes the shimmering foam of surf in sunlight, and the play of naiads and Triton. A reviewer compares the movement to Debussy's La mer written a few years earlier, noting that "Reger pursued the flamboyant realm of mythical creatures". Both works have a similar "sparkling orchestral character".>3. Die Toteninsel (Isle of the Dead) is based on a painting of the same name that Böcklin made in five different versions between 1880 and 1886. The painting has been regarded Böcklin's most famous work, with a title not by Böcklin himself, but the art dealer Fritz Gurlitt. Thomas Mann characterized the painting as expressing Sympathie mit dem Tode (sympathy with death), typical for the fin de siècle. A composition based on the painting by Andreas Hallén appeared in 1897, others followed, including a piece of the same title by Serge Rachmaninoff in 1909. Reger writes "long-held but shifting sonorities", using the orchestra like an organ.>4. Bacchanal is based on a painting Bacchantenfest (Feast of the Bacchants), painted around 1856. It may recall the "folly of earlier orgiastic times", or the longing of an older person to still be part of them. Reger, who called his own experience "Sturm und Trank" (storm and drink), as pun on "Sturm und Drang", used conterpoint, harmonic development and refined instrumentation to achieve a dazzling painting in sound.
>>131403214>>131403226Great recording. Segerstam can almost always be counted on for a good performance.
>>131397514he's clearly the one mocking you, Anon
>>131403412I confess it's the only one I've listened to so far, but I found it intensely colourful, charming, and engaging. I can't imagine many other conductors/orchestras on record have been as conscientous and involved. You can really hear how much they enjoy playing the piece.
>>131398573there is no good complete set for anything in the world of classical music, but I will once again tell you guys the best recording of each oneUnnumbered Sonata in E-flat Minor: Bernd GlemserSonata No. 1 in F Minor: Vladimir AshkenazySonata No. 2 (Sonata-Fantasy No. 1) in G-sharp Minor: Ruth LaredoSonata No. 3 in F-sharp Minor: Ruth LaredoSonata No. 4 in F-sharp Minor: Marc-André HamelinSonata No. 5 in in F-sharp Major: Robert TaubSonata No. 6: Garrick OhlssonSonata No. 7: Ruth LaredoSonata No. 8: Vladimir AshkenazySonata No. 9: Bernd GlemserSonata No. 10: Ruth LaredoSonata-Fantasy No. 2 in G-sharp Minor: Roberto SzidonFantasy in B Minor: Garrick OhlssonFantasy for 2 Pianos: Michael Ponti, Robert Leonardy
>>131403457I'm sure he thinks so
/classical/ Pop Quiz,Do you know the first name of (WITHOUT LOOKING IT UP):>1. Sibelius?>2. Scriabin?>3. Dvorak?>4. Schoenberg?>5. Prokofiev?>6. Mendelssohn?>7. Haydn?>8. Vivaldi?>9. Puccini?>10. Smetana?>BONUS POINTS: Stockhausen?
>>131403538...is that supposed to be hard?
>>131403532why wouldn't he
>>131403529wrongSymphonies, Rêverie, Sonatas & Vers La Flamme: AshkenazyPiano Concerto: Postnikova+RozhdestvenskyOp 54: Urban Agnas+Leif SegerstamOp 60: Argerich+AbbadoSymphonic Allegro: Moscow Philharmonic+Golovschin2 Piano Fantaisie: Ponti+LeonardiScherzo & Andante for string orchestra: Hamburg Strings+Preyss-BatoEverything else piano solo: Dmitri Alexeev
>>131403538JeanAlexandreAntonArnoldSergeiFelixJosephAntonioGiachomo or somethingno cluethese could be wrong as I did them from memory
>>131403575As almost all of my grade school teachers said to me, don't brag if it's easy for you, it might not be for others!
>>131403595yes Anon I'm sure a single individual managed to have the best recording of every sonata alone and you are NOT a fool
>>131403602I'm not bragging, I'm concerned
>>131403599Pretty good, about the same for me!>>131403629Okay, Mr. Smart Guy, you wanna play? gimme a few minutes
>>131403591I know, right?
>>131403655>you wanna play?Not really, sorry
/classical/ Pop Quiz,Who Composed That Work (WITHOUT LOOKING IT UP):>1. A Gothic Symphony?>2. Des Canyons aux Étoiles?>3. Music of the Spheres?>4. Agon?>5. Totentanz?>6. Rapsodie Espagnole?>7. The Blue Danube?>8. Capriccio Espagnol?>9. La Damnation de Faust?>10. Visions Fugitives?>BONUS POINTS: The Unanswered Question?
>>131403575Plus, y'know, there has to be balance between choosing something that's not immediately obvious to everyone and something that isn't too obscure, it has to be a question where it's tough but when you look it up you go, "ah, right! I should have known that".
>>131403538Well, the answers have already been posted, minus a few, butJeanAlexanderAntoninArnoldSergeiJAKOB LUDWIG FELIX Joseph (Papa)AntonioGioacchino BedrichKarlheinz(sp?)>>131403726BrianMessiaenLanggaardStravinskyA few of them but I assume you mean LisztRavelStrauss jrRimsky-KorsakovBerliozerrrrrrrrrrrruuuuuuuuuuuh, Copeland?
>>131403765Nicely done :D
I gotta say, the fact I'm still listening to this Alexeev set after starting it two hours ago is a very good sign. For most sets, I'd have turned it off by now with the excuse of "ah I probably just wasn't in the mood" or "that's enough for now, I'll come back later" or "man, my attention span sucks today" when, in more cases than I'd like to admit, the performance is just dull. Alexeev is holding my attention!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8P3S1plWkI&list=OLAK5uy_mnNpQCY370Ht2Xw1zGHOJsFo-yiN5Eucs&index=23
>Ludus Tonalis is a 1942 solo piano suite by composer Paul Hindemith, often described as a 20th-century response to J.S. Bach’s Well-Tempered Clavier.???Why haven't I heard of this before? Is it any good? I know we have some Hindemith fans here.
>>131403828I keep saying that Alexeev is actually excellent and people keep thinking I'm memeing>>131403846You missed my three-months-long Hindemith shilling last year, friend, sorry. I'm currently pushing Reger on y'all.
>>131403898>You missed my three-months-long Hindemith shilling last year, friend, sorry. I'm currently pushing Reger on y'all.You're supposed to comment on whether Ludus Tonalis is actually any good, not rub my nose in it!
What's the historical origin and impetus behind these "Piano Sonata/Concerto/X for Left-Hand" pieces? A one-armed king, duke, or patron? They were that common that they spawned a genre? or was it pure thought exercise, a question that arises naturally from composing for and playing the piano? or something else?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjiSSWubIuU
>>131403951Most of these were composed for pianists who lost their right hand in WW1.
just so I don't embarrass myself should the occasion ever arise, how do you pronounce Ravel? like un-ravel or ruh-vel like Cruella de Vil?
>>131403970Ah, thanks.
>>131403981https://voca.ro/1kE2RLajQHW6
>>131403913I mean I thought it was great fun and happily recommend it to anyone who enjoys Bach and/or early modern piano music. Check out Reger's Op 81 and Busoni's Fantasia Contrappuntistica, while you're at it.
>>131403951>>131403970>>131403997Specifically for the prissy and ungrateful Paul Wittgenstein (yes relation)
>>131404014much appreciated! in return I gift you,https://files.catbox.moe/azhl0g.flac
>>131403529>>131403595>no mention of FeinbergBoth opinions discarded.
>>131404071Feinberg was a brilliant interpreter, but his recordings are utter hisscore
>>131403538JeanAlexanderAntoninArnoldSergeiFelixJosephAntonioGiacomoIdkIdk
>>131404071we are talking about music here sure. make a hiss general if you want
I understand Gioacchino being confusing, but why's everyone having such a hard time remembering the humble Bedrich?
>>131404156A lot of recordings omit his first name on the album art, and to be honest my mind usually blocks it out even when it is on the cover. I wrote the quiz and I wouldn't know the answer if someone else had asked!
okay 3 hours of Scriabin, for my own sake I'm gonna hit pause on this set
Oh, you mean Giacomo Antonio Domenico Michele Secondo Maria Puccini
>>131404452yes that's the one
>>131404055>Three of Ludwig Wittgenstein's brothers (Hans, Rudolf, and Kurt) committed suicideThat was one fucked up family
Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_6uzZq5rog&list=OLAK5uy_kUdyk2TCna56DfaHW-TZ3ckxjLsAxT-nA&index=12
confession: one time I recommended someone a recording I hadn't actually heard and when I tried it the next day, it sucked. I still feel bad about it.
>>131403529>Laredo>Hamelin>Taub>Glemser>PontiAll garbage.
>>131403063same
Tartinihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnrEaX6Mh7o&list=OLAK5uy_nCM7DwjkjlHPMtSDzsrck5BOB-tkNlTno&index=6
