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>>131396512My unpopular opinion is that I like them
Dylan's best material was made in the '80sWild Planet is better than the self-titled B-52's albumMaster of Puppets is the blueprint for basically everything that went wrong with metal after Metallica, not the Black Album as everyone likes to allege, which had very localized and short-term commercial impacts on pop metal
>>131396512The Beatles are a boyband and that's ok
>>131396512Zayn should've sang more lead vocals.
>>131396512unpopular here? Travis Scott is a great artist
>>131396561based. the fact that his career isn't the one eclipsing everyone else's has to have something to do with him not being willing to flirt with being an enby like Harry did since he is the only religious member of the group
2112 has killer music but it's totally an album for teenagers and you can't listen to the lyrics with a straight face past the age of 17.
>>131396554Agreed. I'm also a mongoloid
>>131396512Mick Jagger has always been a faux-bad boy who folded like an umbrella when he consented to censoring his lyrics on the Ed Sullivan Show and that time the Stones performed in China.
>>131396553>Master of Puppets is the blueprint for basically everything that went wrong with metal after Metallica, not the Black Album as everyone likes to allege, which had very localized and short-term commercial impacts on pop metalInteresting take, could you expound on how MoP ruined metal?
>>131396512The King Of Limbs is a top 3 album and is better than In Rainbows
>>131396512Every major 70s band fell off hard in the 80s almost without exception.
>>131396553>Master of Puppets is the blueprint for basically everything that went wrong with metal after Metallicaok ultraboris
>>131396674this is largely true but pic related is probably the best exception.
>>131396646I like the album okay, but every single song is about three times longer than it needs to be. You have these anthemic vocal sections that help a casual listener patch over in their minds the endless amounts of rambling, repetitive riffs and uninspired rhythm sections on most of the tracks. "Sanitarium" is also very obviously ground zero for the kind of overly weepy stadium rock that would come to dominate pop metal radio. I'd argue that had more to do with "November Rain" being written than anything that came out on the Black Album, which merely correlated with it in time and made the trend much more obvious. And again, Sanitarium is a three-minute song that goes on for seven.I think the main damage from Master of Puppets comes from the fact that Kill Em All and especially Ride the Lightning are as great and influential as they are. The commercial and artistic masters of mid-'80s proto-extreme metal basically gave this manifesto of the Shape of Metal to Come, and the best stuff to come from the genre since then has been reacting *against* the tendencies of the band, while plenty of fucking dogshit has followed in its footsteps. These are instincts that I had when first listening to it, but take the word of someone who was there:https://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/Metallica/Master_of_Puppets/547/UltraBoris/147
i feel when he says every major 70s band fell off in the 80s, he should mean bands that started before the New Wave era
>>131396512The Beach Boys suck and so does most of the Beatles' work before Sgt Pepper
>>131396762>guy who likes the Beach Boys and says they suckI know that English is very hard to read as a second language, but please check the OP before posting in a thread on 4chan.org.
Vol. 4 is the worst classic Sabbath album and Sabotage the best.
>>131396553Dylan had some great songs he wrote in the 80s but they rarely went on albums and usually only appeared as B-sides or outtakes.
Oliver Sykes just doesn't want to end up like Chester..
>>131396803"Shot of Love," "Lenny Bruce," "The Groom's Still Waiting at the Altar," "Jokerman," "Sweetheart Like You," "Union Sundown," "Don't Fall Apart on Me Tonight," "Tight Connection to My Heart," "Clean Cut Kid," "Emotionally Yours," "Everything Is Broken," "Most of the Time," and "What Good Am I" all made it onto LPs, though, anon...
>>131396512Geddy Lee's voice is unfairly maligned and Rush wouldn't be Rush without it whereas Jon Anderson was always the weak link in Yes.
>>131396850>Geddy Lee respectoutrageously based anon
Renaissance had good songs but never managed a good album.
>>131396876they're a hard band to like. they'll write a masterpiece on an album and then the rest of it will be fluffmy hot take is that some of the late 70s/80s pop stuff is OK and they could've made a decent full transition to pop if they let the stuff cook a bit longer.
>>131396850Jon Anderson’s weak voice is specifically why I don’t like Yes.
>>131396512Alan Parsons Project was a soft rock band that gets referred to as prog for some reason.
>>131396876The Keith Relf era was better
Willie Nelson is generally considered country but like Elvis he's a highly eclectic guy who doesn't fit into an obvious box or categorization.
Their best album
Cure fans can never agree on which was their best album.
>>131396512the Bowie Berlin trilogy has some good songs but i never really want to listen to the albums
>>131396512I don't care for Pink Floyd's extended epics like "Dogs" and "Shine On" and feel that most of the run time is filler. I'm sure I only ever got through the entire "Dogs" like once.
>>131396768I like some of their songs but most of them are forgettable
>>131396957Dogs is overrated anyway.
Belew-era King Crimson sucks dick and is in no way comparable to their 1969-74 run.
>>131396803the Shot of Love sessions had enough killer outtakes to make their own double album that would top Blonde on Blonde
Flesh & Blood by Roxy Music > Avalon
>>131396512Technique of Relief is good but I have no idea why it is so widely considered the pinnacle of his gajillion albums. Do people just get disappointed by anything that doesn’t sound like anime music
>>131396984My hot take is all of Dylan's albums after Street-Legal are junk and not worth bothering with.
Bob Dylan's lyrics dont demonstrate any real intelligence
>Led Zeppelin are a glorified covers band>Beach Boys 1968 to 77 > Beach Boys 1962 to 67>Nirvana aged like old milk and were far behind all of their peers in musicianship and songwriting>Floyd post-Animals is trash>Oasis ruined British music and they never recovered
The Cars Heartbeat City is the worst album of the first 5. They should have hired someone who wasn't Mutt Lange.And I don’t like Drive all that much.
>>131397025>My hot take is all of Dylan's albums after Desire are junk and not worth bothering withFixed.
>>131396512The Cure should have stopped with Disintegration, even if some people think Wish was all that.
>>131396850Survival is perfectly sung and nobody else could have done it
Ace Frehley's solo 78 album is very overrated and one of the weakest things ever released under the KISS label.
>>131396512Led Zeppelin did a better job and made those old blues songs more popular then those black folks ever did. I'm glad they never paid or credited those black bastards
>>131397138my take is KISS's most interesting era was 78-82 when they were pushing themselves creatively and doing some cool experiments/songwriting, when unfortunately nobody cared
>McCartney II was trash in 1980 and it's trash now>All post-88 Megadeth albums > all post-88 Metallica albums>Motley Crue peaked on 1994 S/T when nobody cared
Plastic Ono Band ruined Lennon and was a horrible mistake for music in general as it legitimized generations of whiny navel-gazing songwriting.
>>131396512Wish You Were Here > Animals
The granny songs are genuinely my favorites
>>131397183WYWH is overrated and has two good songs out of its five, the five tracks are very long, and full of filler, cheesy synths, and boring guitar solos.
bark psychosis made late era talk talk redundant
80s Bowie and Elton are unfairly maligned. Fiona Apple ran out of ideas after album two. Ray of Light is decent but overrated and also Madonna's last ok album, ever since the 2001 tour she's definitely out of ideas for both her albums and her live shows.
>>131396576>>131396607>>131396850>>131396930>>131396941TRVKE
>>131396512Brian Wilson was being exploited by relatives for money for the last 22 years of his life.>voice was kill>deluded fanboys insisting he still had it>looking bored, lost, or awkward at shows>prop him behind an electric piano that's probably not even plugged in>the backing band totally carried the shows (admittedly some very talented people)
the Grateful Dead's albums are better than their concerts
>>131396512Dylan's Christian period is not as terrible as it's claimed and he delivered some amazing live performances on those tours.
although everyone likes to speculate what would have happened if Jimi Hendrix had lived, his 69-70 shows were good but not as good as 67-68 and perhaps he wouldn't have improved from there.
>>131396512BB King was a legend to be sure and gets points for sheer longevity and size of his catalog, but Freddie King had to be seen live to be believed, dude was a hulking over 250 pound monster whose live singing and guitar were like banshee moans. nothing else quite like it, and he went way too soon.
I think James Brown is underrated. He's one of the greatest musicians of all time. I feel he doesn't get the recognition he deserves.
The Beatles are not a boyband. They're a rock and roll band. boybands dance, they make exclusively dance-pop and do not play instruments. the beatles did not dance, they played instruments, real instruments, no drum machines or synthesizers and wrote their own songs without any outside songwriters. >>131397605Agreed.>>131397418Agreed. >>131397469even if he had peaked which may be true that still doesn't tell us what would've happened
>>131397370this is really true. he was uncomfortable to watch, always got a bad vibe anytime i saw any footage from those concerts. could barely hear him at times too, sometimes he just sat there dazed like a zombie while everybody played and sang around him. really sad story all around.
>>131397117Wild Mood Swings has some highlights, Bloodflowers is top 5 Cure, and self-titled is mad overhated. 4:13 Dream can stay forgotten though, my contrarianism only goes so far.
The Great Cold Distance is not one of Katatonia's better albums, but City Burials is.
>>131396512no musician artist or celebrity should earn more than minimum wage
I prefer several Rush albums over Moving Pictures, it’s a good one but not their best.
>>131396512Greg Ginn is very overrated and can hardly play at all.
even the biggest Prince fan alive would admit half his catalog is trash
>>131396512Abbey Road has four decent songs total. Why does everyone suck it off so much?
I have three, all about the same band:Bal Sagoth's first album is their weakest by far, except the demo, which is utter trash. Their second, Starfire Burning, kicked off a journey of incredible music, and the campier they got, the better their music was. Byron A. Roberts is a genius, and his written works are only slightly less good than the metal-opera lyric sheets of the albums they put out.There ARE good clone bands. Wizardthrone only has one album out, and it's packed with quality stuff start to finish. Everything that's good about Gloryhammer they got from Bal-Sagoth and Rhapsody. Kull's only album is also pretty good, but it suffers deeply from not having Byron at the helm.
>Rush has some amazing songs and albums, but they kept changing their sound (synths, rap) to try to stay relevant, and as a result they don't really have an identity>Led Zeppelin is the greatest rock band of all time, but their last 2 albums were mid at best, and Bonham's death allowed them end the band while they were still loved and revered, rather than fade away into obscurity. the few reunions they did after Bonham's death further prove that they were past their prime>Roger Waters is Pink Floyd, and the band should've dissolved when he left, ideally after The Wall>Queen has like 10 good or great songs, with everything else being forgettable. their albums seem to serve as a vessel to release a single, with the rest of the album being generic filler
>>131397881I mean John's embarrassing knee-bend dancing along to their music should disabuse anyone of the notion they were a song and dance boy band.
>>131396745Not even necessarily that. Let's be honest, only the first four Talking Heads albums are essential and everything after that is skippable.
Smile failed because Brian Wilson wasn't quite a good enough producer to pull the thing off. If he had a George Martin to work with perhaps he'd succeed with the project. Also contrary to popular belief, Brian was very much still in charge for the next three albums and didn't start to fall off until late '68.
Killing Joke are not Goth
>>131400782The concept would have been achievable for one song, but he couldn't manage an entire album of that by himself, he needed a colleague to keep things organized.
>>131400741TH are another band where the lyrics totally don't hold up once you're past 19.
While Presto is my third favorite Rush album, and I quite enjoy Power Windows, there's something to be said about the loss of their fourth man (Terry Brown). Terry knew howto (at the same time) both expand and refine upon the strengths and weaknesses of Geddy, Alex, and Neil as a trio.Terry Brown is an unsung hero in many ways - I absolutely adore the work he did with Voivod and Fates Warning - producing what are (arguably) their best albums.Unpopular Rush opinion: Rush albums produced by Nick Raskulinecz are noisy, unfocused, rambling messes.
>>131400832every Rush producer brought something different out in them even if a few did allow the band to engage in some self-indulgent playing and songwriting
Rush is another example of what I mean when I said most 70s bands fell off in the 80s. You won't find too many Rush fans who are interested in Signals onward and at their shows the fans IME always wanted to hear the 70s stuff.
>>131400928is it the band "falling off" or the fact that the majority of the audience only obsessively listens to music when teenagers?
>>131400928say what? from 82 to 96 their concerts were almost all new material and especially in 82-88. On the 2012-13 tour, the first set was heavily biased toward Power Windows, and the second set was mostly Clockwork Angels material.
>>131400955All the way up to Presto Rush would almost always play the new album on their tours. I find it hard to believe those fans were going there to hear nothing but 70s stuff when they would be like 2-3 at most songs in the setlist.
>>131400787Love Like Blood absolutely is a goth song but I wouldn't call them a capital-g Goth band
>>131400955I'm old and I saw them on the Roll The Bones tour, and they played most of the album live and got an enthusiastic crowd response. This was almost 20 years into their run at that point with grunge taking off and they were still very much a current, working band and not a nostalgia act.
>>131400955Neil Pert was bragging at their '13 RRHOF induction how they don't just play 35 year old songs like most of their peers and were always looking forward.
>>131401127i mean, Rush songs are about some kind of libertarian fedora autism bullshit and neither they or their fans ever had sex. that's relatively age-proof and you can get away with it at 40+ whereas a band like Motley Crue that were just about being young horny rock badasses were going to age a lot worse.
Jackson Browne was best when he stuck to pop. His meandering ballad epics are a real drag even though a lot of his fans love them.
Highway 61 Revisited is only an okay album boosted by LARS. John Wesley Harding is decent but not as good as it's made out to be, and it's inferior to New Morning.Sting's solo run 82-93 was excellent and better than The Police. Also he hasn't made a single listenable album from 95 onward.
>>131397338nobody disputes that Elton peaked 70-76 but he had a lot of great deep cuts on the 80s albums nobody knows about since those albums get dismissed out of hand
Stupid Dream is overrated and In The Sunday of Life is underrated
>>13139651268-70 Pink Floyd is best.
Neil Young can't ever stick with anything, mf-er has ants in his pants.
>>131401219fuck off jazz fag. no heterosexual group of guys ever intentionally listened to a solo sting album, unlike the police.
>>131397509my controversial take is that BB ruined blues by making it poppy and taking it out of black juke joints and into suburban white Americans' living rooms
>>131401283bold statement to make considering SFOS is an unlistenable bunch of jam sessions and Floyd totally had no idea what they were doing or how to write or arrange back then
deathgrips has some genuinely horrible songs that give you soulcancer and its probably some inside joke to watch retards pretend they are good
Jimi Hendrix also ruined garage rock.
>>131401348my hot take, inspired by this >>131401348wrongheaded 'standard wisdom' takewhites did the blues way better than blacks. ZZ top/ Stones mogs anything by even Howling Wolf/Muddy Waters. Not sure why. Maybe because they regularized the beat more or something.but this obviously mogs (even tho it's literally a faux black voice he's using) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSt4myecN_c
>>131401389>Jimi Hendrix also ruined garage rock.Nearly every garage band sucked before they heard Jimi too, just not as loudly. And how exactly did BB ruin blues? All the reasons I can think of might be more properly blamed on T-Bone Walker.
Radiohead's retarded Israel shit has no bearing on their music any more than any other retarded shit any other artist has said, and I'm tired of seeing people act like you now have to hate their music because of that.
>>131401411Garage rock is a either-you-get-it-or-you-don't thing. Plus it's very regional and Midwestern bands sound different from Texas or PNW bands. But after Hendrix they started doing a lot more feedback and overly long solos, too bluesy and not in a good Yardbirds way.As for BB King, just as he said. Too safe, cute, and normie-accessible. Note that blues artists who came after BB all tried to sound like him, not Lightnin' Hopkins or one of those guys.
>>131401459ok. garage rock is good in limited doses and i generally consider the PNW to have the best bands. i also enjoy a lot of blues, BB included, but do find that many rock groups have played it poorly, in cliched ways and that as a genre it ended up painting itself into a corner.
>>131401409me, i never found any of the classic bluesmen from Robert Johnson to Hopkins to Son House to Wolf "boring"
>>131401409also George's version is probably the superior one, tho John Lee Hooker's more modern regularized beat version might give it a run for the money.I'd really like the 'blacks did blues better' contingent to educate on that because I really do tend to think the really good white blues bands like Stones, Thorogood, ZZ were probably a lot better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--AvCsh48bk
>>131401513No I meant specifically the "modern" blues sound with horns, clean tone, obvious chord changes, meta songs about having the blues, and all of that was stuff BB originated.
Freddie King looked way cooler and more like a rock star in the 70s than in the 80s when he adopted a stereotype 80s gay man look with a porno 'stache.
>>131396512most mainstream third wave "emo" are not real emos, like mcr, panic at the disco and fall out boy
>>131401576like Halford, his aesthetic was pretty non-obvious to normies, only those who knew about gay culture would have "gotten" it
>>131396745Count Dio in with that. His 70s vibe was way cooler than his 80s one, at least he always had his voice to make up for it.
>>131397059>Floyd post-Animals is trashfact, can't stand the wall
Led Zeppelin's live shows were very overrated, boring, and self-indulgent, and Bonham's drumming was totally unsuited for the more chill songs.
>>131400741Speaking in Tongues isn't as good as the first four but it's not bad. Little Creatures is shit and nowhere comparable to True Stories or Naked.
>>131397111some people like to hype up his old guy albums but i don't see Time Out of Mind as the late career masterpiece some think it is
>>131401769while I don't hate TOOM, I can't go with people who think Love and Theft is a masterpiece instead of boring boomer nonsense
A Momentary Lapse of Reason and The Division Bell are great albums totally worthy of inclusion in Floyd's canon.All claims that outside contributors, dated production, etc. drag things down ignore how cheesy and dated some of the early Floyd albums (Ummagumma anyone?) could be and how Roger Waters himself succumbed to '80s production when he released Radio KAOS.Incidentally, while the plot of KAOS is bonkers, the album includes some of the best songs Waters ever wrote and I find myself wishing he'd have been able to release the full concept by his record label. From memory, it was supposed to be a double album ala The Wall. The plot would still have been goofy, but I think the sheer hubris of scope would have elevated it from the footnote it became.While we're on the topic, and for one more unpopular opinion, Waters' best decision of the '80s was bringing in Paul Carrack as co-vocalist. He finally came to his senses and realized that he needed a vocal foil like Gilmour to bring some light and shade to his songs. Unfortunately, that moment of clarity would be short-lived.
>>131396512All Pearl Jam albums are pretty much jam sessions and they never really try too hard to construct songs or think things through, although this becomes more apparent on the 21st century albums. Gigaton was an exception as they did actually plan out and arrange the material there.
i agree with Cuckgau that Jim Morrison's lyrics and persona were mostly self-indulgent bullshit even if his bandmates were excellent musicians
>>131400787Correct. They make one new wave album and one AOR album and suddenly they're anything other than post-punk or proto-industrial metal.>>131401275baaaaaaaaaaaaaasedStupid Dream's the one I could never get into.
>>131401348Unfair and not true. Live at the Regal is boring? BB in his prime was very much not boring at all.
>>131400579Zeppelin should have stopped with PG.
>>131400787*blocks your path*
>Prince was a singles artist, PR was his only good album>Michael Jackson had only OTW and Thriller for great albums>the Beach Boys were best late 60s to mid-70s>a lot of Beatles songs are trash that would get anyone else run out of town by a pitchfork mob>Derek & The Dominoes was Clapton's last decent work>There was no male singer on the planet who could touch 1968-73 Elvis>Miles Davis/Gil Evans albums are boring as shit
Jane's Addiction did not need to reunite after breaking up in 91. Perry has since done nothing but ruin the legacy. Even having heard bootlegs from the NIN/JA tour where they had to tune down so they could accommodate Perry's weakening voice, the magic was no longer there.
>>131401576*Freddie Mercury I mean
Rick Davies was the better songwriter in Supertramp and their later albums without Hodgson are still great if not better than their earlier work
I will never not wish that Lacuna Coil would rerecord Broken Crown Halo. There's a vision there, they were writing some of their best songs in a while and fucking around with 70s prog synthesizers because Goblin was an influence, but the half of the band that left immediately after clearly phoned it in and they couldn't have gotten a blander, radio friendly mix if they tried. Most people forget this one but the half of the band that still cared had something there.
>>131400741a lot of people give David Byrne shit for being an autistic weirdo who doesn't seem entirely human, but that wasn't his flaw. His flaw was hanging onto his spectacularly mediocre rhythm section aka the Harry and Meghan of alternative rock. That was why he used Steve Scales on "Burning Down The House", because the resident braintrust wasn't a good enough drummer to play those fills, and this gets even more apparent on Naked, which really needed a better drummer to bring out that material.the tl;dr is that the rhythm section is two crybabies who whine that Dave was mean to them and that's why the band broke up when actually he was way more loyal to them and their mediocre musicianship than he needed to be, and they'll never ever get over it
From Under The Cork Tree was the Nevermind of its era. It launched emo into the mainstream, and cemented its legacy in pop culture forever, better or worse>in b4 mcr was better>in b4 DC 80s shit was real emo>in b4 actually it's pop punk>in b4 no responses
>>131400579>>131402093I don't think that either of these LZ takes are particularly unpopular
>>131396512Tony Martin era Black Sabbath sucked not because of Martin but because Iommi forgot how to write a hook
>>131402283Last time I checked, BDTH was on Speaking in Tongues. My personal opinion is that he should have ditched Chris after at most the third album.
>>131402404It was the afrobeat angle I was referencing, which I associate with Remain in Light. Granted, that did become their default sound in concert.
>>131402404ok. too bad they didn't perform live as a band after 84 and the later TH albums were studio-only
>>131402404I Zimbra proved that Chris was an inadequate drummer for the direction they were going, Warning Sign is about the limit of what he could play and everything after that needed a new drummer entirely.
>>131402438while i don't disagree, i feel they would have inevitably been extincted by grunge
>>131402457Chris would have been a very good KISS or Bad Company drummer, he was not suited for TH's experimental music, especially after album one.
