Billy Corgan has said that: Stone Temple Pilots has stolen ''Suffer'' to make the song ''Plush''Metallica has stolen ''Tales of a Scorched Earth'' to make ''Fuel'' And that Kurt Cobain has stolen his whole guitar tone from the Gish album to make Nevermind Was he right and on point on these things or delusional cause im not really sure.
>>131421233Why does this board talk about the same handful of faggot musicians over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and overWhat's your end game?
>>131421233No, that sounds like extreme narcissism trying to cope with artists who were more popular/better than he.
remember when fatso baldo claimed to have invented the alt rock wall of sound… https://youtu.be/Xy44DgD_F6gSP barely fucking existed in ‘90.
>>131421233how did cobain steal a guitar tone when butch vig was responsible for that tone? plus billy brought alan moulder in specifically because he wanted to steal kevin shields's guitar tone. such a dumb bald faggot.
>>131421233YES https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozs-KJS-7QQ
>>131421404kek. nobody was better than the smashing pumpkins in the 90s. the siamese dream fuzz is easily the most influential guitar tone post 1990.
>>131421233>SP(erg)lmao literal tard
>>131421476Nah he ripped off Loveless.
>>131421476>nobody was betterany band where the singer is not billy corgan is better than smashing pumpkins
Butch Vig heard their Godzilla cover and shifted SLTS in that direction. Billy's work with Butch certainly influenced Nevermind. But his biggest influence was on the Alt metal/rock thing Millennials were listening to.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPpDyIJdasghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMEB4HNNZ2Ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXzuDXZwZtIhttps://youtu.be/gpyRI1j9t6chttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWaB4PXCwFUhttps://youtu.be/Fx5bfLI5slUhttps://youtu.be/j1DsAXoU-Ywhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHfqC3LG9LMAnd btw, Olivia's new hit is based on Disarm. >>131421519not a rip-off. but the smashing pumpkins continue to have bigger influence on Shoegaze than MBV.
>>131421233He also said Collective soul stole his sound for Shine.So when they went to court Ed Roland found a demo from 1989 way before the smashing pumpkins even existed.Billy thinks everyone stole from him.
>>131421476looking at the album sales they did really well in the mid 90s.Mellon Collie is one of the very few albums of the scene that went Diamond (10+ times platinum). Only Ten and Nevermind come to mind that also went Diamond.Too bad they went downhill after that,but their 90s output is still full of bangers and fire though.
>>131421255to piss you off specifically
>>131421255the king of alternative, huge influence on 90s music and today's music, discussed on an alt/indie-leaning board. go somewhere else pls
>>131421233You mean Billy "I-IV-I" Corgan?
>>131421476>nobody was better than the smashing pumpkins in the 90sEvery single band was better than them.
>>131422496yeah if you are not into instruments and alt rock
>>131421476>easily the most influential guitar toneThat would be Radiohead's Creep.
>>131422640far from it. it's just billy's fuzz tone.
>>131421233Whenever I see Billy Corgan all I can think of is him turboseething at Manson for saying he looks like Charlie Brown
>>131421233I thought he liked Stone Temple Pilots
>>131421476Alice in chains, soundgarden
>>131422884nah, pumpkins had more artistic genre syncretism and better instrument-playing
>>131422898Corgan was not a better guitarist than Cantrell, though I'd rank him above Kim ThayilD'arcy Wretzky was not a better bassist than Mike Starr or Mike Inez or Ben ShephardJimmy Chamberlain was not a better drummer than Sean Kinney or Matt CameronWe won't go there on vocals
>>131422933Chamberlain clearly stands out. He is objectively, technically superior.
>>131422938*chamberlin
>>131422938Lol na
>>131422884Pumpkins had the better vision than both, who just recorded 'heavy rock' with an alternative costume
all artists, especially musicians, steal from other artists.
>>131422946>muh time signaturesreddit. with chamberlin you can hear the greatness and with cameron you have to read about it
>>131422965>>131423003Source: trust my bro
>>131423066who is your bro?
Billy stole his guitar tone from Matt Sweeney when he was in Skunk.
>the siamese dream fuzz is easily the most influential guitar tone post 1990.hi zoomer poser. welcome to school. https://youtu.be/ktBJY8-3Pcohttps://youtu.be/fvuFCkyf7S4invented by tront. 100x more influential.
>>131424184you're ooga booga tier retarded for posting this
itt: Millennials are freaking out over Zoomers ignoring their entire legacy and instead looking up to their gen x idols https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OETiPBadY-s
>>131421233>Stone Temple Pilots has stolen ''Suffer'' to make the song ''Plush''That slow syncopated rhythm does sound like Plush, but the melody is completely different. It's a different song.>Cobain has stolen his whole guitar tone from the Gish album to make NevermindI'm listening but I don't see it. Because Corgan is using a lot of classic generic bluesy guitar fillers and it's not something Cobain used at all. What guitar tone, Nevermind is mostly rhythmical chords and some noisy fillers and 'bad solos'. And I think the original production by Vig was way more flanger-y, it sounded murky and submerged in water. Wallace just brought all that to light, made it crisp, grand, full bodied, resounding, almost symphonic (as Vig also remarked). One rhythmical chord on Nevermind sounds like a big wall of thick raw harmony on which the vocals come with this vague echo effect and the drums pop with great highs. And a buttery bass.The Wallace mix was inspired by Slayer's Seasons in the Abyss, an album that Cobain liked a lot.https://youtu.be/hVJ4rYjUgX4?t=74Hear that thick crisp grand tone? That sounds much closer to Nevermind than Gish ever did.
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>>131421672This. Also mbv sucks, especially loveless
>>131422933Yet none of the bands they were in were better than smashing pumpkins.
>>131423066Source: my ears
>>131424782based
>>131424566Genx + zoomer alliance. Millenials drink our piss
>>131421233No, he’s right.>>131421476True.>>131421683Nobody cares about sakes.
>>131424738Yes, I posted that first here you got it from me.But what that video 'proves' is that Cobain probably heard that riff sometime in 1990 on a bootleg tape and got inspired to write Teen Spirit. But that was the only chunk he took from this source, the rest of the song is more inspired by Pixies' Gouge away's big bassline from the verse, which probable became the song's overall melodic line. And this riff inspired from the BOC cover became its rhythmical backbone.But the vocal phrasing, the atmospheric 2-note arpeggio in the pre-chorus, everything was of his own making. He put it all together to form something new.And that has nothing to do with guitar tone. Nevermind doesn't sound like that live cover. The live sound is a lot dirtier.
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>>131421476>nobody was better than the smashing pumpkins in the 90s.They were insignificant pissants compared to Oasis.
>every thread is boomer vs zoomer vs millennial who turned the bots on?
>>131424819I doubt Kurt ever heard that SP version. It's just Butch knowing it and subconsciously letting it influence Nevermind.
>>131422877He liked them from Tiny Music and on
