>>131428365
did you take an hour for one guitar take if this is even a true story and not some weird larp

>>131428751
Is that long?

>>131428773
cmon dog you're doing that thing that everybody who has a studio complains about - people coming unprepared to ''record''- if you didnt practice and you only have money for a day, you gotta rethink your prioroties

>>131428817
I asked multiple AIs and they said the average guitar part recording time for a full song is anywhere from 30 minutes to 4 hours.
fwiw, this song has three different strum patterns, and I recorded to a click. And yes I did practice.

>>131428836
okay, how did it sound after he edited it
also, you only recorded a single song that day?

>>131428889
>how did it sound after he edited it
Not great. You could clearly tell the guitar sounded different in some parts, and a few of the splices were jarring.

>also, you only recorded a single song that day?
Two, this anecdote relates to the second song recorded in the afternoon.
The first song took some trial and error, but also involved at least an hour and a half of editing.

I mean- you were watching them work. Were they flex timing your shit to get on beat? Punching in and syncing sections that took multiple takes? Just fiddling around with e.q. and compression the whole time? What were they doing all that time? Two hours is a long time to fuck around with a few minutes of solo guitar, especially if you're not someone sitting at home with a mug of coffee, hyper anally baking your own shit for weeks or months.
Were you only planning to track one song that day, or knock out your debut singer-songwriter album?

>>131428953

Were you so bad at guitar that they figured it was easier to fix all your shit in DAW rather than suffer recording another awful take?

>>131428953
A lot of manual quantizing, but what stood out to me most was how much time it took to get everything back on grid after any edit.
At one point the engineer took a whole part that he had already painstakingly quantized by hand, and copied it to another location at the end; and you would think he'd only have to get the starting point right since he already did the quantization on it, but no he starts quantizing the whole thing again.

>>131428962
They actually said I had a real knack for playing to a click, and that the alterations were minute.

>>131428987
post a vocaroo of the edit pls

>>131428365
Is this not shit you can just do yourself?

>>131429003
I thought I was having a hard time recording at home, but after this experience I can safely say it's 100x better to do it at home.
The only useful thing I got out of this whole ordeal is the knowledge that I can in fact play and record to a click, and that I'm already doing pretty much everything else correctly already.

All the fancy mics and preamps in the world can't lure me back in there after all that shit, I'll take my SM58 and Scarlett any day.

>>131428998
What would you be looking for?

>>131429030
>What would you be looking for
ways to help you for free cause either you're dealing with retards or you are the retard but nevertheless, nobody should exchange money for such dumb things

>>131429051
I gave you the basic gist of what it sounds like; clear differences in guitar sound where splices happened, and sometimes the splice itself is pretty jarring. The only way to salvage this, is to record it at my own ease at home.

To be frank, listening in the studio the guitar sound itself wasn't materially different from how it sounds in my home setup. This knowledge is in itself very valuable to me; I was probably listening to my own recordings through a negatively biased lens.

how often do you have to manually quantize your guitar parts when you record at home?

>>131429126
At home I gave up trying to record guitar to a click years ago, thinking I was no good at it.

>>131429149
do you have a following? people who listen to and like your music?

>>131429149
so you cant feel time yet wanna be a musician and are shocked when people spend time manually quantizing your horrid takes cause you dont even know how bad you play?

If you're quantizing your playing you might as well use AI. But splicing is okay so long as it's limited to natural breaks in the music, not within the same musical phrase.

>>131429163
yes

>>131429169
>so you cant feel time
Engineer said I have a real knack for playing in time and to a click.

>>131429203
I'm just not sure he was even doing it right.
He reused the same part with the exact same half-muted strum three times. I had another version of that exact same part that was perfectly usable.
He also re-quantized parts he had already quantized when he copied them to another location.

>>131429243
>Engineer said I have a real knack for playing in time and to a click.
what did he spend manually quantizing then for an hour? is your backing track shit? what is your backing track? midi?

>>131429243
>He reused the same part with the exact same half-muted strum three times. I had another version of that exact same part that was perfectly usable
so you saw him doing shit to your track that you dont want done, and you're paying him for it AND you dont tell him right then and there that isnt what you want?
sounds like you're a bitch and deserve this result

>>131429251
>what did he spend manually quantizing then for an hour?
In his words "minute discrepancies". That was also only part of what he did, maybe a quarter or fifth of the time.
And you would think quantizing would make it easier to then use parts as building blocks, but every single move he made he started re-quantizing again.

Often I stood up and told him exactly where the waveforms were supposed to go, because he kept putting them a few beats after where they clearly belonged.

>>131429260
>so you saw him doing shit to your track that you dont want done, and you're paying him for it AND you dont tell him right then and there that isnt what you want?
This particular thing was almost at the end of the two hours. At that point I just wanted to get out of there.

i feel like we have a piece of the story missing.
post a vocaroo please

>>131429303
Not sure what good that would do, and I also don't want to get recognized.

I have a good amount of experience with editing and comping waveforms, and much of his behavior was pretty inexplicable to me.
At times I knew exactly what he was doing and at these times I tried explaining verbally where what should go; and despite his calm conviction in what he was doing I often had to actually stand up and point to the actual waveforms and where they should go and overlap or he'd be spending another 5 minutes looking for the right placement.

>>131429388
you're not that well known for us to recognize you off a single song, post it

>>131429392
What are you hoping to find?
I might post it if it makes sense.

>>131429412
im NTA but i mean you posted this thread to complain about it, the best you can do to not be a faggot OP is actually give us the full story

>>131429419
I'm not even complaining about the guy per se, he probably did a fine job quantizing; and although I could do some of the things he did much faster, a lot of what he did I could probably never do at all.
On the whole he technically did what he had to do: work on my guitar track.

It's just that the whole process was mind-numbingly soul sucking. I had ZERO motivation or energy to lay down a vocal track after that.

>>131429464
you bore me, i will stop giving you attention without a vocaroo link, bye

>>131429475
I haven't even downloaded the files yet, I know I don't want to use them anyway.

>>131429475
turns out the download link expired too kek

I could play something to a click on vocaroo or something if you want.
Or one of my own guitar takes that I played entirely without a click.

>>131429522
>>131429499
lying cuck shitter

>>131429588
Why the fuck would I lie about anything

>>131429593
cause you're incompetent and retarded. nigga pays for a day at a studio, gets his shit results, doesnt even download them cause they're so shit, comes to 4chan to complain. needs no help cause he knows how to do it at home 100x better, but doesnt show anything, just rambles on and on

>>131429593
cause you keep refreshing the catalog and replying to every post ITT very fast instead of making your music better

>>131429602
>needs no help cause he knows how to do it at home 100x better
I said the experience is 100x better at home. Not the result.

>doesnt even download them cause they're so shit
Yes.
I know what they sound like.

>>131429612
You're angry at me for answering questions?

>instead of making your music better
the fuck do you mean "instead of"?

And you faggots wonder why I'm trying not to get recognized lmao

what was the point of the thread then.
you had a bad studio experience cause you're either stupid or cheap or have no connections so you couldn't find proper people to help you record your ''two songs''
>>131429637
>Not the result
so you just genuinely suck at playing your instrument?

>>131428365
Is this for Metal?

>>131429637
what did you use for a backing track for the recording. your own recorded drums and bass? or midi drums and bass? or something else?

Literally zero reason to go into a studio with an "engineer" at this point if you aren't a total retard

>>131428365
>>pay for a day of studio recording
Found your problem.

>>131429691
>>131429696
this. OP is functionally retarded if he does that while having the option to do it himself

just post the guitar track in question. reproduce it with just a click with your scarlet and 58
anything you say w/o a voca is just larping baiting bullshit

i'll take a timestamped pic of his scarlett and 58 just to prove that cause i dont believe a single word on the internet without proof

>>131429653
>what was the point of the thread then
At the very least to share the experience.
I'm sure a lot of people on here are debating booking studio time; my experience might make them more informed going in.

>you're either stupid or cheap or have no connections so you couldn't find proper people to help you record your ''two songs''
It's absolutely the latter two of these three.

I was debating either upgrading my studio gear, or using a fraction of that budget to go into a studio and use even better equipment AND a competent studio engineer.
Seeing how I've been recording without any insight into what I was doing right or wrong, I chose the latter and kept the first option in reserve.

>>131429700
I actually learned a lot from this day; I now have a good idea of what I was doing right and wrong. Before that there were many things I thought I was doing wrong/right that turned out right/wrong.

For instance: my waveform editing skills are actually pretty substantial. I was able to pinpoint the exact wave and predict the necessary overlaps while the studio tech was constantly searching in vain.
I also learned a lot more about the intricacies of tempo; many strum hits I thought hit the beat were actually consistently a fraction early. I had no idea this was even possible.
I also learned that I'm actually pretty good at recording to a click. Better than I thought anyway. I have no reason to think the engineer was lying to me; right before he warned me it might be brutally hard.

>>131429766
>my waveform editing skills are actually pretty substantial. I was able to pinpoint the exact wave and predict the necessary overlaps while the studio tech was constantly searching in vain
>i know parts of my song i wrote
you're such a pseud lmao i bet you make such shitty indie rock my god get over yourself

>>131429766
>Seeing how I've been recording without any insight into what I was doing right or wrong
so you have a fanbase but no closer friends to tell you you actually suck and shouldnt have a fanbase which then causes you to get better
weird

>>131429785
>>131429816
You seem to be getting more and more upset.

>>131429824
>im deflecting cause the alternative of posting my awesome music here that the engineers screwed up wouldnt work in my favor of getting positive attention

Nigga stop fucking talking about wave form editing and splicing together multiple takes, you are probably making faggy indie music...I record metal and most everything is a single take with little editing

>>131429831
I don't think the engineers "screwed up".
They did what they were paid to do: work on the guitar track.

I personally wouldn't re-quantize an already quantized part after copying it.
I also wouldn't splice together a part and copy paste it with the exact same noticeable cosmetic strumming flaw, when the unedited part was perfectly usable as an alternate.
I also wouldn't spend 1-2 hours editing a guitar part that was done pretty much in a single take, especially after I suggested re-recording it.
etc.

But someone with no experience home recording would barely even notice these, so they hardly count as full on screw-ups.

>>131429892
>Nigga stop fucking talking about wave form editing and splicing together multiple takes
That's exactly what I suggested to the engineer.

>>131429824
i like how you also mentioned the first track you worked on was fine after an hour and a half of fucking with it as well and had no complaints there, but then you dont have that one downloaded even tho you paid for it
>>131428916
>Two, this anecdote relates to the second song recorded in the afternoon.
>The first song took some trial and error, but also involved at least an hour and a half of editing.

>>131429903
you sound like such an embarrassing beta holy lmao

>>131429908
Where did I say it was "fine"?

>>131429916
Why?

>>131429923
yeah i know it wasnt fine, cause you took an hour and a half for a guitar track and they had to spend the same amount fucking with it. just admit that you really suck at music. OR post an anonymous vocaroo and prove me wrong

>>131429941
>you took an hour and a half for a guitar track
where did I say that?
After a bit of fiddling, I recorded that track in one go to a click, gaining praise from the engineer.
Turns out some strumming parts were slightly different when the vocal came in, but instead of just having me do another take he spent at least 1.5 hours editing out a few strums in the relevant places.

>>131429977
you didnt even get the raw wav files of your own recordings from them afterwards? you should ask them to email you the parts you recorded so you can mix them yourself

>>131429992
>you should ask them to email you the parts you recorded so you can mix them yourself
I would rather record them at home to a click, without all the splicing and editing.

>>131430016
good idea! why didn't you do that to start with?

>>131430016
which daw do you use?

>>131430021
I tried that, but didn't like many things about it, including things like the sound of the guitar.
Turns out I might have been negatively biased towards my own recordings, since the studio recording with the fancy mic and preamps doesn't sound all that dissimilar. I even played part of my own recording in the studio to compare directly, and it struck me how similar the guitar sounded.

I also didn't know I was actually not bad at recording to a click, which I can now use for my home recording.

>>131430036
Ableton and Studio One.

>>131430081
post a 15 second clip of you playing your guitar

>>131430100
after I'm done here

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>this entire thread
Glad I've never even tried being a musician

>>131430081
>studio recording with the fancy mic and preamps doesn't sound all that dissimilar
if you have a 58, fine, but saying that while recording through a scarlett is so wrong and proves your ears are defective (although i'll give you this one if you only listened through speakers and not headphones, but even in the studio, you'd want to check the headphones

>>131430129
it's really not as complicated as OP makes it out to be. he seems to be a low iq beta retard

>>131430081
>Ableton and Studio One
which one do you use for which things

>>131430133
I only listened through the studio monitors.

>>131430214
I used to use Studio One for everything until I got Ableton.

>>131429689
>what did you use for a backing track for the recording
Only the click.

>>131430277
>>what did you use for a backing track for the recording
>Only the click.
what the fuck did he spend an hour and a half quantizing shit against
POST YOUR PLAYING

>>131430277
why'd you choose ableton over studio one or even reaper

>>131430133
Watch Jim Lill's preamp video. You can't tell the difference unless you're intentionally distorting it.

>>131430308
What good will that even do?
Either I'm "not bad" and the engineer was telling the truth about spending hours being autistic about minor timing inconsistencies, or I suck and he lied for no reason at all.

>>131430315
I wanted to try Ableton's clip view thing, and also the Push 3; and ended up hating the clip view but loving Ableton's arrangement view and devices.

>>131430321
fuck your videos, i had 7 different interfaces

>>131430336
so you make electronic music lmao now it all makes sense, goodbye

>>131430344
I make different kinds of music, but this particular music was guitar and vocals only.

>>131430336
no nigga what the fuck did he quantize your playing against?
the fucking metronome?? what the fuck nigga

>>131430352
>no nigga what the fuck did he quantize your playing against?
The grid. Have you ever used a DAW?

>>131430358
ok if it's just guitar and vocals, why not leave it hanging free and have the little inconsistencies be the flavor.
why do you keep not posting a single thing you've worked on. im less and less inclined to believe you

>>131430358
man i get it tho, if i had fans and was this bad at making music, i wouldn't want people to find out too. but let's be fair, you probably have less than 70 spotify listeners.
post a vocaroo

>>131430371
>ok if it's just guitar and vocals, why not leave it hanging free and have the little inconsistencies be the flavor.
That's what I did when I recorded at home, but obviously recording to a click has its benefits, including an improved ability to edit or add instruments later on.

>why do you keep not posting a single thing you've worked on
Nobody has ever given a single argument what that would add to the conversation.

>>131430386
I really don't give two shits, I'm my own worst critic and my knowing how much I suck at playing guitar was one of the main reasons for trying out a studio for a day.
The engineer telling me I have a knack for playing to a click was a massive surprise to me.
Nobody listens to me for the proficiency of my playing.

I assume you played acoustic guitar? No reason to hire a studio for electric. You can't tell the difference between modern amp sims and physical amps.

>>131430400
>what that would add to the conversation.
>Hey this thing we have a 100 reply thread on? Yeah it doesnt actually matter

>>131430428
If it's so obvious, then why not tell me? What are you hoping to hear? Shitty timing?

>>131430434
is there shitty timing? if so, you're a bitch for complaining about the engineers trying to do their job and making it sound properly in time

>>131430462
I have known for YEARS that my timing is shit. The first time I thought otherwise was when that engineer told me I have a knack for timing.

>>131430474
Why did he quantize your strumming then

>>131430541

You already asked that >>131429251

>>131428365
>Expecting engineer's things to be fixed after 15mins
>Get impatient
>Be rude to the engineer by going "Should I make another take?"
>You letting him do his job, and then starting to make an atrocious looking thread where you bitch and whine like a bitch over "having a knack for click tracking" and what other anecdote of how much it was the engineer fucking you over, then go passive-aggressive aggro when confronted
There's your mistakes, fuck this thread is a CLUSTERFUCK of stupid.

>>131434101
>>Be rude to the engineer by going "Should I make another take?"
How is that rude?

>whine like a bitch over "having a knack for click tracking"
How is that whining?

You seem to have a massive chip on your shoulder for some reason.