Did the real 90s end in 1997?
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Im an autist obsessed with cultural cycles. I figured out things tend to move in 6 year intervals1991-1996 = Grunge, gangsta rap 90s1997-2002 = nu metal, boy bands, teen pop, TRL, marylin manson, euro pop, 90s2003-2008 = emo, screamo, crunk, scene, ringtone rap, 00s2009-2014 = indie hipster obama years, meme rap, vapor wave, chilld wave, hypnogogig pop, recession pop, dubstep, EDM, 2010s2015-2021 = trap, soundcloud rap garbage era, start of zoomers taking over pop culture2022-2027 = post covid dark age where nothing really interesting is happening. hyper pop? rage? who cares2028-2033 = who knows what the future holds
>>131476899I agree, but most of 2003 was closer to 1997-2002 (nu metal was still big that year and MCR hadn't blown up yet). Also vaporwave was like 2012-2019 as a whole, so it overlaps.
>>131475502>Memphis replaced by Y2KAnd thank God, Y2K/Frutiger was the peak.
>>131476899>2028-2033 = who knows what the future holdsbarring global nuclear war, nothing. more of the same. it's over. what we have now is what we'll have forever.
>>131475502The 90s didn’t end til like 05-06.
>>131475502it's always a gradual shift, the cultural identity we assign to these decades didn't just stop on 12/31 and begin on 1/1. The idea that a 10 year cycle beginning and ending when the year number coincidentally ends in a 0 is ridiculous>>131476899i like your theory here. Several of the traits you put in these cycles I want to disagree with and say they were from the previous cycle, but it is true that most of them spawned in the previous cycle and hit mainstream culture by the cycles you assigned them to. Like peak hipster shit was solidly mid 00s, but by '10 or so the whole stomp clap thing was happening which was mainstream culture. Trap also formed (as we know it today) in the 09-14 era with stuff like SpaceGhostPurrp, Black Kray, Black Smurph and shit. Rage was also the 15-21 era etc.
>>131477382Zoomer zoom
>>131475502I prefer the media of the early and mid-90s but I truly think the late 90s may’ve been the peak of America. Certainly the best of America I experienced
>>131475502I was born in 1985 and Memphis Design is one thing I really don't have any memory of. Seems like more of an art and fashion / design magazine thing which had about as much practical utility as the outfits in a Lady Gaga video:https://youtu.be/XXIX2WnfbpE
>>131477571>Memphis Design is one thing I really don't have any memory ofYou don't remember it in malls? 90s kids shows? The teal drinking cups?
>disney afternoon is replaced by one saturday morningThe west has fallen
>>131477571Memphis Design was in Taco Bell
>>131476899Id say 96 fits more in your nu metal category. Marilyn manson, nsync both broke out in 96. Korn was active as early as 94, and some of the earlier europop hits date back to 93.
the "real" 90s was 88-97, the 00s was 98 to 07
>>13147550297-98 were the two least interesting years of the decade, just about nothing going on during that time.
>>131476899Good overview but i'll add this>2015-2021 = Post-Mac DeMarco indie ''bedroom pop'' that was huge with high school girls and sensitive dudes, Dnb/Jungle return, Synthwave (started to get going circa 2012 but was full blown mega mainstream by 2016), proliferation of hipsters in metal, lo-fi everything, /mu/core bleeding over to the mainstream where shit like loveless and death grips became 14 year olds' introduction to alternative music, post-Frank ocean internet rnb (every black girl making rnb was taking cues from him), reggaeton getting bigger, pivot toward explicitly depressive and pill-addicted lyrics in pop musicare the main headlines of that time, and i had to comment on it since those were my formative years.It is absolutely dire to realize just how fragmented and stationary the 2020s have been in terms of general movements. I guess soundcloud rap is at its most genuinely braindead and retarded at the moment but that's about it really. The good albums that have been released during these last few years haven't had anything to do with each other in terms of crosspollination or drive forward or whatever.
>>131475502Also, music was replaced by reality TV on MTV.
>>131477382The "real" 90s was 88-97 and the 00s was really 98-07.
>>131479625>90's started in 88explain
>>131479642so 88 was when alternative rock starts taking over the charts. the "typical" 80s styles like hair metal are pretty much calcified, and also Straight Outta Compton was a prediction of the next decade. in 89 this was much more apparent, the charts that year were dominated by hip-hop, alternative bands, and New Jack Swing.
>>131479258howd you describe in detail 2002-2005 and 2006-2011periods?
>>13148006202-05 was post-9/11 music, dark, a lot of political shit about Bush and whatnot.
>>131479715Hair metal's popularity peaked in 88-91 thoughever
>>131481594not at all lol it was a stale joke by then not taken seriously by anyone but 11 year old girls
>>131481693The Beatles were also not taken seriously by anyone but 11 year old girls. What about it?
>>131479642Janes Addiction's Nothing's Shocking came out in 88
>>131481594the only hair farmer band that really survived the end of the 80s was GnR and even them only for a brief time
>>131481741Ditto Edie Brickell and Tracy Chapman.
>>131475502Slop replaced by Slop
>>131476899based autist
it works on the same principle that the "real" 80s was 78-87
>>131481765nobody cared about that crap except suburban housewives
>>131475502Early-mid 90's were the peak of western civilization.
>>131479715Pantera dropped their original hair metal singer in 88 and got Phil Anselmo.
>>131475502Unfortunately it lasted until 2001. Then there was the short 2000s until 2008, then the long 2010s until the turn of the decade.
>>131481860Housewife music back then was more like Michael Bolton and late Chicago.
>>131479258Blows my mind that the work jacket, mustache, dad hat look on guys has been going on for like 15 years now.
>>131481693That's revisionism. Cherry Pie was one of the biggest hits of 1990. People wanna say "people were already tired of hair metal by 1989 because the Pixies and Jane's Addiction had albums" but most high schoolers still listened to hair metal before Nevermind.
>>131482130People also don't seem to appreciate how fucking much they played the Smashing Pumpkins on the radio and how it absolutely fucking sucked.
>>131475502>>131476899
>>131475502the gen x 90's world ended 1998 and 1998 is when millennial world began
>>131481977You mean it's been a thing since the 60s. It's a good look desu.
>>131484843to add to this millennial world seems to have lasted until about 2012 or 2015. after that it became social media and identity politics world. there was obviously some overlap between the two worlds beginning in 2008. but by 2015 millennial world was completely extinguished. i hesitate to call the following time period gen z world because mainstream culture didn't seem to give a shit about them at all. their world was the floss dance, fidget spinners, and then finally tiktok. other than those things i'm not sure what gen z had, shitty ass mumble rap maybe?
>>131484859No people did different jackets for a while, dropped the mustache, or changed the hat, But we are stuck on that trio now.
The 90s ended in 2001, the 2000s ended in 2008
>>131475502>>131476899will never stop being funny watching zoomers try to talk ‘90s music.
>>131485651This. 2010s were a super long decade. Also when do you start the 80s and end the 60s?
Grunge was dead by 91, then a bit of an interregnum with the shite NWONW (Suede, Elastica and the Auteurs escaped alive) and then Britpop proper by late 94.The best thing about the 90s was that the internet hadn't flattened the world out. Yes, I saw Nirvana at Reading (I was underage and older than your parents so stop pretending millennials, you weren't there) and the U2 ZooTV tour and I saw REM on the Monster tour later but you could still have your own things as well outside "global culture", was has deteriorated to utter slop now.
>>131485790as he said, the 80s were really 78-87 and the 60s really 58-67
>>131475502This feels like a bunch of cherrypicked nonesense>>131476899https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apopheniadecades are a social construct anyways, and a bad one at that, we should be using the superior duodecimal system and divide cultural epochs on 12 year intervals instead of 10
>>131485944The whole 50s R&R era was 1954-57. The last big wave of R&R hits were in early 58 but they had mostly been recorded in 57. From 58-63 was the era of teen idols and surf rock, at six years a bit longer period.
>>131486029>The whole 50s R&R era was 1954-57was 55-57 though?
>>131486067Technically speaking "Rock Around The Clock" was recorded April 13, 1954. It's true that 54 was the last year the "old" pop still dominated the charts, but that did include a lot of songs recorded during 53. For example "Little Things Mean a Lot" one of the year's biggest hits was recorded December 30, 1953.
The 90s were pretty much over by 2001, 9/11 was simply too great of a cultural tipping point. The 2000s ended in 2008 when the global financial crisis hit and all the early 2000s rock and pop punk gave way to frutiger metro aesthetics and recession-era bling rap, the 2010s actually lasted from 2008 to 2019, the 2020s are still currently ongoing
>>131486101it was over by 98. at that point grunge was dead and buried and Millenials began replacing Gen X as the main music audience.
>>131486092>Technically speaking "Rock Around The Clock" was recorded April 13, 1954. It's true that 54 was the last year the "old" pop still dominated the charts, but that did include a lot of songs recorded during 53. For example "Little Things Mean a Lot" one of the year's biggest hits was recorded December 30, 1953.Both at Decca's main Manhattan studio The Pytheon, I should add.
>>131486029even before that "You Send Me" was the first big hit that signaled a change in pop direction
>>131485651The 90s ended with Scooby Doo 2 (2004)
>>131479642i remember someone saying "the 90s were spent trying to catch up to [picrel]". it's an accurate enough take that i remember it years later.1987, close enough.
>>131486114When would you say Gen X surpassed the boomers as the main music audience?
>>131477577>You don't remember it in malls? Not really. This was my mall. It was actually lit on the inside like that.>90s kids shows? Which ones? I watched cartoons and can name some.>The teal drinking cups?Okay I remember those. That's true.>>131477975>Memphis Design was in Taco BellAh that's right, that's true. I don't think we did Taco Bell that often.
>>131477382The 90s ended twice: once in 1994 (first phase), then in 2001 as 9/11 brought emo and washed away all the postgrunge stuff.
>>131487237you managed to make 9/11 sound even more disastrous, well done
>>131475502you know it's important to mention that, if bret hart was 1A, then that fruit shawn michaels was 1B and he also retired for the first time not long after the screwjob in 97. vince kept him around doing whatever menial stuff to keep him from going to WCW like bret did, but he wasn't wrestling. and i often think about where the federation would have gone, had bret not left for atlanta and HBK not fucked his back up/gotten super addicted to drugs to the point of retirement in that short time span. it was shit or get off the pot, and they actually got off the pot. i'm thinking you know, bret probably doesn't get a career ending concussion from goldberg and if HBK could stay clean, if they'd still be the top guys into the 2000s. do you still get the meteoric rise of stone cold, is there still ATTITUDE?
>>131486913The late 70s.
>>131487237Grunge was still going strong through 95, weakening in 96 and completely gone in 97.
>>131488989Yeah it trailed off to some extent.Like they could still do an AiC unplugged and get good numbers. But everyone knew it was on its way out and it was just remnants of an era that had peaked
>>1314873079/11 kinda made sticking to the old alt-rock blueprint no longer viable.I guess because there no longer was anything to be raw about, by playing amped riffs.
>>131489328that was already long over by 9/11
i was watching some dumbass video on youtube showing the top 10 rock bands of each decade the 90s were still good and then there is massive super noticeable decline for the 00s and it just stays shitty til the end of the video and it was really depressing.i really don't know when the turning point was or what happened. and no i don't believe 9/11 had anything to do with it. i think it was probably after that. but all the new bands afterwards just really sucked. and a lot of them get called rock despite not sounding like rock at all (coldplay imagine dragons 21 pilots etc)
>>131489334Quotsa kept making alt-rock like they were still in the 90s. They weren't really a legacy act like the Pumpkins or RHCP or Foo Fighters. Their style sounded to me like a continuation of STP's sound.So there was still some "old-style" alt-rock being made that had some relevance, it just didn't sound like the new thing much.
>>131489479Foo Fighters had only been out since 95, they were not even a decade into their run on 9/11.
>>131489478>i really don't know when the turning point was or what happened.
>>131489478Rock was already in crisis since the late 70s.Back then it was disco that created a crisis in rock, because it lost cultural prominence.So then rock split into various strands, each trying to regain relevance by adopting more radical styles.That's where the hard rock sound appeared which later morphed into metal, under the influence of punk.And then punk appeared to solve a similar problem, regaining cultural relevance for rock. But it was way too unpolished to strike a chord with mainstream audience.So then new wave appeared and a whole lot of hybrid genres born from mixing punk into everything.Then metal came out of that, but was still to radical for mainstream.So Van Halen appeared as a sort of virtuosic take on hard rock and blues rock influences. They set the blueprint for the 80s mainstream rock.The rest went underground and kept trying by experimenting (post punk etc).Then the last attempt at making rock relevant again came from that experimental phase from the 80s underground.But that was sort of the last squeeze.So of course rock went back to identity crisis after "alt"-rock declined. That was the state from which it came. It just borrowed more future for another decade by making that punk-influenced underground melodic enough to be appealing to normies.
>>131488897No, it was in the mid 80's. '86/'87 is when Gun & Roses and Janes Addiction marked the start of the Gen X era of rock or 'alternative' rock. Same thing with R.E.M. and the B-52's around '87/'88, with indie rock or "college" rock.Guns getting mainstream popularity directly lead to the end of boomer hair metal and the favorable market conditions that set the stage for Grunge and 90's alternative music to be successful.
>>131488897during punk?
>>131489913Yes and 75-76 were the last years of boomer rock.
>>131489530Dimebag getting killed? what? what do you think? or was it really just a lack of talent from all the new bands? but how did everybody just suddenly stop being talented? something happened.
>>131489936This is wrong, hair metal was the last gasp of boomer rock. Started in the late 70's and ended in the mid 80's. There is some slight overlap into Gen X like how Alice in Chains started as a hair metal band but transitioned into Grunge by '87 or '88 but hair metal was mostly a solid boomer thing.
>>131489936>>131489913the first Gen X-aged musicians didn't really come out until the 80s. the punk era still had boomer-aged musicians but they were trying to appeal to the new kids who came up after the hippie era.
>>131489966As he said, the industry started pandering to Millenials and their horrible tastes.
>>131489969how was hair metal boomer rock? boomers were the middle aged dads complaining by then that that slop ruined rock.
>>131489983well the wrong millennials then. i'm a millennial and i hate how rock got soft and watered down
>>131489988An e-celeb told him it was.
>>131489988>>131490011You need to go look up the ages of the people in hair metal.
>>131489998Hard rock got really stagnated in the 00s and didn't seem to be able to progress past that Creed post-grunge sound.
>>131490056this. bon jovi, van halen, vince neil, etc. were boom booms
>>131490092Van Halen were late boomers but the other bands were born in the 60s and are early Gen X.
>>131490114Again, wrong. Boomers were born from 1946 to 1964. Google is your friend.
>>131489936Van Halen and Toto is peak boomer rock and their debut albums both came in 1978
>>131475502Rage Against the Machine basically laid the groundwork for nu metal in 1992
