Medtner edition.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vl4Z8NXJXycThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>131459997
TeeJayX6 - X6 Flow (Official Music Video)https://youtu.be/1flDH62mZ3A?is=fMBG5G-GNmkB2Oob
Daily reminder that art is the highest activity of mankind.
Allan Petterssonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0979jsxy_Aw&list=OLAK5uy_nq6IeTwihga_6cv3J6ArBgn43InPKs0Jc&index=1
Hello, looking for a recommendation on a beginner's book for clarinet. Any guidance appreciated, thanks.
>>131477891>Every civilization is a synthesis of man's conquest of life. Art is the ultimate symbol of this conquest, the utmost unity man can achieve.
>>131477891>t. sciencelet
>>131477967That's the type of unimpressively academic and ambiguously true statement that I expect to be the opening line of a book praised by Will Durant.
*tap tap*
Thoughts on Albert Schweitzer's Bach?
Wagner.
Just take a good look at this filth that is being uttered here. You can only imagine how harsh and solitary life must have been for an artist like Wagner back in his living days. Not only was he the Prometheus that brought the humans such magnificent revolutionary theater, he was also the natural force of goodness. His work brings out human positivity and empathy, it makes you go out and plant trees, build castles, donate to churches and charity, and be honest and just...this positive "vibe" that is imbibed in you from the enriched music of Wagner shows just how great the German was.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW5L5fviP4M
Wagner has become my only relief in this world. His music speaks to me in ways that I can't even describe. I feel soothed and sated, all my agony and disturbance is emptied in a blank canvas that Wagner created, like a man doing something as simple and reassuring as putting a coat around a young boy's shoulders to let him know that the world hadn't ended.https://youtu.be/gcfxxtl4KLw?si=rCiBFCBupRbmLKUj&t=396
Wagner was not a musician. He was an architect. These are not ordinary sheets of musical notes, they are architectural designs...they are "models" for the world of the future. Wagner wrote his vision on a piece of paper. He wanted to design the perfect version of society, where all humans chosen through eugenics march flawlessly towards eternal progress. The Aryan model of society that came alive through sound.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IW8j1PWb8cW.
Since sound wave is a naturally occurring phenomena in the universe then chances are that the alien life if there exist any, could possess an analogous organ to the human ear, imagine what would happen if we manage to make contact with the aliens in due time, just what will we show them? A bunch of naked feminists on the streets shouting "feel the nipple" or a furry rally passing through the streets of moscow or a bunch of angry bigotted chuds fighting meaningless battles online? How will we introduce them to our culture?We will show the aliens true "Human Excellence". Our mastery of art and music. We will show them "Wagner".This is it. The end. The peak. The Finale.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COhLnFwGaT0
When I recall the day that I listened to The Pilgrim's Chorus/Finale of Tannhäuser, it sends chills down my spine. Just the prelude itself aroused my cock up to 90* perpendicular, I tore my clothes off and ran naked to the streets shouting "JUST FUCKING RAPE ME ALREADY GOD". This is what listening to Wagner for the first time did to me. Wagner was not just making ordinary music for ordinary people, he was sound-raping his listeners and fucking their brains out until they attained nirvana or musical pleasure.Wagner.W.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COhLnFwGaT0
Have you guys ever wondered why movies like The Godfather feel so rich, emotional and cinematic? The answer is obviously Wagner.>Sofia Coppola disclosed to a confidant about how her father retired in the evening - "He moaned and moaned as Wagner was played loudly in the bedroom, it was like someone having an intense sexual orgasm, I say the relationship between Mary and Vincent in the third movie was inspired directly from Wagnerian Operas." Francis was obssesed with love, especially incestuous love, and a lifelong obsession with Wagner, she remarked.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eojrvtoH-y4Ennio Morricone was one of the greatest if not the greatest film composer. He was taught by Goffredo Petrassi, an admirer of the Great Richard Wagner. Petrassi was influenced massively by the leitmotives that Wagner implemented in most of his works. The repetition of a sequence assigned to an idea, place or character, this is how "film scores" originated.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHPGD2aDzvUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v95kM_ojK_UWagner basically created everything. He created film scores. He created film. He created direction. Wagner. Without him say goodbye to modern theatre and entertainment.
The Holy Grail... Amazing how I am beset by these medieval visions when I listen to the mythic compositions of Wagner, Master of Music and Poetry. I am fighting alongside Richard the Lionheart and drinking wine with the Knights of the Round Table... I hear the call of the Black Forest, the rustle of trees, the scream of the eagle, the clatter of steel... Truer than the truth, the Spirit of Western Man is animated towards infinity in the most epic of legendary music. We are going to make it bros.https://youtu.be/a53s4jyCqqU
Remember /classical/, everything good and great about this world came from Wagner.
Favorite Chopin recording / album? Bonus points for best cover art.
>>131478661Like you only want one set? then probably picbut if we're going with no big sets, then probably Arrau or Moravec's Nocturnes.
whats the difference between tone poems and program music?
>>131478874Tone poems are more about a feeling or idea, whereas true programmatic pieces contain a concrete narrative or at least images.
>>131478880k. so could I say, for instance, Beethovens Pastoral and Mussorgskys Pictures at an Exhibition were program music?
>>131478897In the word of our favorite resident autist: correct. Whereas with Strauss or Liszt, the emotions and ideas expressed in their tone poems are a bit more nebulous and general. These differences end up showing in the music, but that's harder to describe, and is more a case-by-case thing.
>>131478914ty. I will now listen to some Strauss and Liszt TPs
>>131478928Enjoy!
>>131478874>>131478880No? Tone poems are a type of program music. Even a tone poem without a definite narrative is still program music. Moreover, many tone poems have very clear extramusical narratives, like Dvorak's for example.
>>131479072So what separates Dvorak's narrative tone poems from a piece of program music which is not a tone poem?In other words, what defines a tone poem?
>>131479072Hmm, that does seem correct. My bad then >>131478874https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Program_musicdoes list tone poems as under the umbrella>>131479108I suppose the fact they're orchestral pieces and not symphonies. I thought there was more to it but that might just be it.
>>131478661Indubitably. Single greatest album/box or whatever you want to call it.
>>131479108Tone poems are orchestral pieces with a program, typically in a single movement. Scheherazade, for example, is orchestral program music but generally referred to as a suite.
What's the point of calling Bruckner's Third the Wagner symphony when it no longer has the Wagner quotations?
what if the composer writes a piece with clear extra-musical ideas or images in mind but doesn't bother to tell anyone? does that make it absolute music or crypto-program music? and when mahler removed the written program to his first symphony, did it then cease to be program music?
>>131479252the dedication. (btw i never see anyone calling it the wagner symphony)
>>131479298I think it doesn't matter particularly. If the composer doesn't tell us then you're asking for the sound of trees falling in forests with no one around etc. If the composer is a little hazy on the question (which includes quite a lot of composers from early Romantics to the modernists) and there's some conflict in their own literature/revisions/etc. then it's still legitimate to consider what's in the public space. Depending on how much weight you give the composer's opinion, you might be more or less inclined to try and interpret the work as tied to specific extramusical ideas, but it is some sense always going to be program music so long as the program is public knowledge.
>>131479298Lol.
>>131478661Rubinstein obviously
>>131477970In the grand scheme of things, science is completely optional and, on its own, frankly unimportant. The only things that matter are aesthetics, ethics, logic, epistemology, and metaphysics. Science doesn't tell you what is good, what matters, what is beautiful, or what is logical. It describes and explains the empirically accessible world, which is only one small, inconsequential aspect of our existence in the universe.
Mozart
Bozart
Best recording of Schumann's Rhenish symphony?
Mofart
>>131480231STEMfags who spent years grinding through their little degree only to uncritically put all that knowledge at the service of Big Pharma or the government aren't gonna like this one!!
>>131480250https://youtu.be/9SFvBXVus08
>>131480231 >inconsequential aspect of our existence in the universe.Correct. Inconsequential, but only for the imbeciles.
>>131480231>living longer and healthier lives and researching ways of spreading across and better understanding the universe in case our single planet gets ruined is not important
>mfw the passacaglia of Shostakovich's violin concerto
>>131480371Engaging with anti-intellectuals seriously is quite bold.
Surely eternal youth and a hot babe are better than a pile of gold. Those giants were idiots.
Szymanowski violin concerto is just sweet. Perfect for a chromatic overdose sesh.
>all this Romantic nonsenseLet's change thathttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8Xx7v12GaA&list=RDw8Xx7v12GaA&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNLQD9_wQQQ&list=RDFNLQD9_wQQQ&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbl5Lsmb8IM&list=PLa1rC97wRkZgTAv1W75PSAD4-p23K1dBc&index=4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MsOTizZS-Y&list=PLa1rC97wRkZgTAv1W75PSAD4-p23K1dBc&index=5https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAi_2B3QvAA&list=RDpAi_2B3QvAA&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kllOB5xHpBA&list=PLa1rC97wRkZj8RpE1veIyaO6--lScUlWL&index=41https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ow08K5l7iA&list=RD9Ow08K5l7iA&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJS-HZWB3wE&list=RDtJS-HZWB3wE&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dYocnp08v0&list=RD9dYocnp08v0&start_radio=1
This guy is literally the greatest (after JS). Why does /classical/ hate him?
>>131481042>This guy is literally the greatest (after JS). 1. He's not. 2. JS is not "the greatest" - whatever that means.>Why does /classical/ hate him?3. It doesn'tHere's a better question: why are you ragebaiting/inviting a ragebait?
>>131481042Here is an even better question: why are you so bad at ragebaiting? You gotta step up your game, man!
>>131480371Hmm, if only science and technological progress had had anything whatsoever to do with making our lives unhealthy and rendering our single planet increasingly uninhabitable in the first place...
>>131480417>STEMfag calling other people anti-intellectualsLolz
>>131481433Silence, anti-intellectual. Science will save us from the consequences of our scientific-industrial civilization! It's definitely not an infinite loop!
>>131478661for me it's https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kjr0j2RWlT0heyEunxXpMzjCFBuDKALp0
>>131480830Which one? He wrote two.
>>131481439Science and intellectualism are pretty much synonymous so I don't understand what you're trying to say here
>>131481433>>131481439>>131481502>it's not corrupt people in power who misuse them for their short-term, egotistical ends and the ignorant masses they manipulate; it's the tools that are to blame!
Darwin, Gauss and Newton are/were far more important for humanity than all the composers combined.
>>131481748Define "important for humanity".
>>131481717>it's just a coincidence that every good consequence of science and technological advancement is credited to innocent science, while every bad and destructive consequence is just corrupt people misusing perfectly neutral tools!
>>131480375me too
>>131480417You know what else is anti-intellectual? Uncritically worshipping at the altar of scientism and pretending science is a completely neutral enterprise.
>>131481748Yeah, number theory and algebra have completely transformed my existence for the better. Music could never compete!
>>131481652The first one, duh.
>>131481788Understanding the cosmos and elevating consciousness.>>131481855Don't project your failure onto others.
>Darwin, Gauss and Newton are/were far more important for humanity than all the composers combined.
>>131481896>elevating consciousnessSo the invention of LSD was the single most important event in human history?
>>131481896>elevating consciousnessWhat does this actually mean and why have you decided that this is the measure of importance for humanity?
Why did Liszt ruin his greatest work by adding the singing at the end?
>>131481896This is based on the entirely faulty premise that aesthetic experience cannot elevate consciousness, whatever that means in the first place.
>>131481928muh Beethoven or whatever. many such cases!
>>131481916>>131481925>>131481944Don't be surprised when STEMfags can't communicate their thoughts in a logically coherent manner. Sooner or later, once they feel cornered, they'll just insist that it's "obvious" what they mean, even when it isn't, and accuse you of being pedantic for asking them to define their terms.
>>131481896>Understanding the cosmos and elevating consciousnessI agree, but what might be "important for humanity" might not be important for me personally.
>>131481807No, it's not a coincidnce that evil, abusive people in power do evil and abusive things, good catch
>>131481827Thank fuck no one's doing that then
>>131481916LSD doesn't elevate consciousness.>>131481925It means deepening our objective understanding of the universe and self-awareness. Moving from instinct-driven nature to wisdom-driven existence. It can be argued that that is the primary goal of evolution - not just biological evolution, but cultural and physical evolution. Primary trajectory of the universe (driven by entropy, thermodynamics) naturally culminates in the elevation of consciousness. I'm not saying we have absolute proof of this, but it's a reasonable assumption.>>131481944Aeathetic experience can elevate consciousness, but only so far.>>131481997Never said it was.
ITT: borderline illiterate consumers of culture pretending knowledge isn't important because they have none
>>131482115Sadly, can't disagree with this summary. I'm especially disappointed in Hapa-anon's attitude, who I think was just outted as a totally ignroant, science-denier consumer. Sincerely hearbreaking.
continuing my way through the Samson Francois Chopin sethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB7XuXx6yGA&list=OLAK5uy_k7AbSaSxzH58tR0XodxaYi2FXocoUdbzA&index=20https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLf01W_3qYQ&list=OLAK5uy_k7AbSaSxzH58tR0XodxaYi2FXocoUdbzA&index=24
>>131482188>I'm especially disappointed in Hapa-anon's attitude, who I think was just outted as a totally ignroant, science-denier consumer. Sincerely hearbreaking.This is my first post of the thread! >>131482190
The foremost value of science is in increasing the variety and detail of the universe we then can depict and elevate in art. --- me
>>131482200My apologies. Thank the gods!
>open recording of Wagner's Ring>hit shuffle button then playthis kills the wagner sister
>>131482280It also kills any enjoyment one can derive from opera.
any bongs going to the philharmonic's recital of symphony 41 on 1st october?
This is your biannual reminder there is in fact a Ring cycle performed in English and it's very good (trigger warning: very slow tempo)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6E2Qj5Saog&list=OLAK5uy_lmMEjSgRUgGJJzS_sLcZ3bf8hCtXoWAXU&index=13
art and science represent the dionysian and apollonian aspects of man it's pointless and destructive to promote them as contrary or competing with one another. essence and form are like width and length one can't exist without the other. good art needs structure just as good reasoning needs utility.
>>131482280I only listen to piano transcriptions of his orchestral works.
>>131482315I suggested something similar last thread, the two should not be compared. But I guess I've fallen into the same trap I was warning about. Science is the path to objective fact, art is the path to subjective meaning. One is not inherently more "important" than the other.
12 Masterpieces of Chromatic Sludge (With A Brief History Of Same, aka A Trudge Through Sludge)https://youtube.com/watch?v=6n85o8PkUPU
>>131482456buy an ad faggot
>>131482456can you don't
>>131482300more like badall ring amirite
>>131482456This is why I posted about Szymanowski btw>>131481652Yeah, the first one.
>>131482300>that vibratoOldSchoolOpera would love this recording.
Liszt's Piano Concerto 1?Nay?
>>131482680Robert Hart Baker, Richard Frank & Szeged Symphony Orchestra
Johann Baptist Joseph Maximilian Regerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6MirwzHDT8>Reger thought the Hebbel Requiem was "among the most beautiful things" he ever wrote. It has been described as of "lyrical beauty, a dramatic compactness, and [of] economy of musical means" in which the composer's "mastery of impulse, technique, and material is apparent".>Johannes Brahms, in his Ein deutsches Requiem, had already opened the way for the composition of a non-liturgical Requiem, written in a language other than Latin while still addressing the traditional theme of rest for the dead. In this tradition, Reger's 1915 Requiem, Op. 144b, is also not a setting of the Requiem in Latin, but of Hebbel's poem. He composed it in Jena, a year before his own death, for a solo voice, chorus and orchestra. The Requiem was combined with Der Einsiedler, as Zwei Gesänge für gemischten Chor mit Orchester, Op. 144. He wrote the dedication: "To the memory of the German heroes who fell in the War 1914/15">As their composer's final completed works for chorus and orchestra, Der Einsiedler and Requiem, Op. 144a and 144b, demonstrate Max Reger's mature ability when setting poems of recognized literary merit. These powerful single-movement works from 1915 defy many stereotypes associated with their composer. They manifest a lyrical beauty, a dramatic compactness, and an economy of musical means. The central theme of both is mortality and death. In these challenging works, his mastery of impulse, technique, and material is apparent. Op. 144 constitutes both a continuation of Reger's choral/orchestral style in earlier works and, by dint of the composer's death as a mid-aged man, the culmination of itWe're getting near the end of the Reger cycle (I might actually just do one more and call it). I was going to do Britten next, to compliment last year's Tippett, but I might actually just take a break from 4chan for a few months. You're all making me terribly depressed.
>>131482802>You're all making me terribly depressed.Why
>>131482818Look around
>>131482824What exactly upset you
Now that I'm relistening to Gilels' Beethoven 30, it's pretty meh surprisingly. Feinberg has so much more control and expressiveness, more lively tempi, the powerful crescendos(at the fake climax in the third movement for example), proper legato articulations, whereas Gilels sounds like he's trying too hard and not succeeding at anything, not sure if that's true tho. It has similar vibes to Arrau, although I prefer the former. Rachmaninoff really liked Gilels apparently, but that doesn't mean much, if anything at all.
>>131482857What are you after, anon?
>>131483024The reason why you're feeling depressed here.
>>131482802>I was going to do Britten nextThat would be nice. Don't give up, anon.
>>131482300>and it's very good (trigger warning: very slow tempo)Then it's not good.
>>131482958Ah yeah, here's a better transfer if you want. I'm surprised Melodiya hasn't gone back and given us proper transfers of all of Feinberg's recordings from the original masters, like they have for Yudina and most of Sofronitsky. Maybe not enough demand. https://litter.catbox.moe/pxhdpe03lua0ne93.zipHis Appassionata is fantastic as well, if you haven't heard that. Probably my favorite next to Bauer's.
>>131483120Why?>>131483175I'll do a bit of Britten posting whether I take a break or no, don't worry about it
>>131483461Curiosity.
>>131483606I'm sure. Anyway, I'm keeping the details to myself.
>>131482802>We're getting near the end of the Reger cycle (I might actually just do one more and call it). I was going to do Britten next, to compliment last year's Tippett, but I might actually just take a break from 4chan for a few months. You're all making me terribly depressed.:/
>>131483375Nice! Where did you find the better transfer?
>>131483936intoclassics, which was an old Russian forum. Domain doesn't seem to be up anymore, though.
>>131483985Oh okay, thanks.I do like Feinberg's appassionata, it was my favorite along with Medtner's and Richter's. Haven't heard Bauer's yet but I just listened to his coda and I loved it.
>>131484010Bauer's one of those pianists you don't hear much about, but he's universally respected amongst pianophiles. He ddin't record a ton, but pretty much all of it is quite good. Notably he was a violinist at first, and made his transition to pianism extremely late in life. Richter's appassionata is great as well. I like Medtner's too but maybe not as much. Bauer complete recordings: https://litter.catbox.moe/nn54c98psbr63f59.zip
>>131484046Yeah, I have came across his name but I don't remember if I've listened to his recordings at all. Going from violin to piano, later in life no less, is astonishing. Thanks for complete recordings! I'll dig in tomorrow.
Let's see what's new on The Classic Review. Oh! A HIP Mahler 5. Fun.>Under the artistic direction of Philipp von Steinaecker and with an ensemble of instruments carefully replicating that of the Vienna Philharmonic around 1900, they return to the roots of Mahler-era performance practice and shed new light on these masterpieces. The Gustav Mahler Academy's originalklang project is a co-production of the Busoni-Mahler Foundation in Bolzano and the Euregio Kulturzentrum Gustav Mahler Toblach Foundation. It is held under the patronage of Marina Mahler, the composer and Alma Mahler's granddaughter, for whom the famous Adagietto from the Fifth Symphony was written after her meeting with Gustav in 1901.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap-9U98xpYo&list=OLAK5uy_m_6iFQq2K4UMmA2aHTOSK4Lup_KxtIPn4&index=1review,https://theclassicreview.com/album-reviews/review-mahler-symphony-no-5-on-period-instruments-philipp-von-steinaecker/and since I know the question most of you will immediately have, it's a 9:06 Adagiettohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENwDlYDqoEY&list=OLAK5uy_m_6iFQq2K4UMmA2aHTOSK4Lup_KxtIPn4&index=4
>>131484093Dave trashed on this so bad, lol.I still haven't listened to it but I intend to. If it's not Mengelberg-style or 40's Walter-Vienna style, then it ain't HIP.
Are you guys all larping or upper middle class sixty year olds with an artsy social circle? I wanted to listen to Wagner and I’m looking at forum posts and whatnot. There are several different recordings that you ought to listen to for one opera, and you have to study the conductors and all the singers and all their backgrounds. Not to mention actually studying theory. Compared with really anything else it isn’t very pedagogic. And that’s just Wagner. If you want to listen to a symphony or something and it is particularly noteworthy there is about twenty different recordings and you need to get analyses
>>131484115Yeah, the TCR review wasn't positive either.>While I found more to appreciate here than in the team’s earlier Ninth, I remain unconvinced of any greater authenticity, and cannot recommend this performance ahead of those mentioned above.>Recommended Comparisons>Mahler: Symphony No. 5>Bernstein | Tennstedt | Chailly | Abbado | Tilson Thomas
>>131484129Yeah, the whole "which is the best recording? why can't I just have THE one??? how can I choose?" thing is incredibly daunting when you're just starting out, I know the feeling, it put me off of classical for a long time. But once you dive in, you realize it's really not that big of a deal and is in fact part of the experience and fun.Think of it this way: let's say you go to a concert of your favorite band and it was a 8/10 performance. Was that a waste of time? No. Same with when you're first starting out with classical and exploring the recordings, just because you haven't found your personal ideal doesn't mean listening to any others is a waste of time (plus I dispute the monogamous approach anyhow -- it's not like you look until you find one to settle for the rest of you life, but rather, you listen to various recordings of the pieces because they're masterpieces and wonderful, and you accrue favorites along the way).
>>131484115>If it's not Mengelberg-style or 40's Walter-Vienna style, then it ain't HIP.It's not. It's just a very boring performance of Mahler 5 with some slight gestures (portamento here and there) to the old school.
>>131484129If you're getting familiar with a work, it's not really that important which recording you're listening to. Once you know something better, then you can start exploring other performances.
>>131484129Can't speak for others, but I'm young, not larping or a richfag and I basically have no social life.Let's get few things straight:1. You don't "have" to listen to several recordings at all. That will come naturally as you begin to invest more time into pieces you like2. You don't need to study anything. Unless you want to, that is. But even then, it's not worth studying unless you get to like the music first. Most people don't study shit and they love the music.3. You just choose one of them, say, Karajan's (prolly the most famous conductor), and listen. Compaeing recordings only comes (naturally) as you gain more experience.Just chill, and listen to whatever it is you want to hear. Start with Wagner's preludes/overtures. Just search the name (e.g. Tannhäuser overture, Meistersinger overture, Tristan und Isolde prelude, etc.), listen to them a few times and let them sink in, then explore the rest of the opera.
>>131484156I understand that there is no one best recording, for me it is precisely that different recordings have different strengths and different weaknesses that makes it overwhelming. So you are compelled to listen to multiple recordings and compare them and then ruminate on their interpretations. Then you have to study the composers and singers. If you take the Ring, many seem to just listen to Solti, and then they talk about the Ring in those terms. But isn’t that malpractice?There is also the matter that you are informing your interpretations through posts online which are whirlpools of bias and often conceit, just turns me off completely
Is this the Fantasie in C and Davidsbundlertanze to rule them all?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onHloVQ_EMg&list=OLAK5uy_k8pITjwqIzGD4s6eCWWcGbBQ-x5h5ifuY&index=2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWPXdMVEzwQ&list=OLAK5uy_k8pITjwqIzGD4s6eCWWcGbBQ-x5h5ifuY&index=19
>>131484200I’m in a similar boat to you. I was interested in Bohm and what his interpretations are but most talk online are on Solti or Karajan. Solti obviously has the best extraneous material I think. But do you see the multiplier effect on the time expended here?
>>131484235You don't have to do anything. Don't think in those terms, think in these ones: when you listen to a piece, and love it, you will naturally feel "hey, I wonder how other musicians interpreted and performed this! I'll check out a new one tomorrow." It's something to get excited about, even if it doesn't feel that way initially.And nah, you don't have to study anything, you can just go along with intuition and emotion, picking up the names as you go. "hey, I notice I tend to like performances by X conductor a lot, Y pianist seems to fit with my preferred interpretive approach, but then again I do like how Z pianist plays if I'm in the mood for something more chill" etc.>If you take the Ring, many seem to just listen to Solti, and then they talk about the Ring in those terms. But isn’t that malpractice?Well, Solti's is generally regarded as the best, and if not the best, for sure one of the best. For me, someone who loves exploring recordings, seeing how they differ, hearing the music in new, eye-opening ways, yeah, it's silly to do that. But Solti's is just that good where people try one and are happy to stick with it. It's like pizza. Some people are content with sticking to pepperoni for their entire life lol.>There is also the matter that you are informing your interpretations through posts online which are whirlpools of bias and often conceit, just turns me off completelyThat's how it is with anything. Everyone has their own favorites and dislikes. If you get into classical now, I promise, in a year, you'll be telling some newbie "btw, stay away from Z conductor, he sucks!" lol
>>131484270If you're talking about the Ring, Bohm's recording is incredible. Choosing between his, Solti's, and Karajan's just comes down to personal preference, and that's something you'll pick along naturally. For now, just choose one, and enjoy the work. If you love it, like I said, you'll naturally become curious how the other masters and musicians handled it.
all of my artsy classical friends are in this thread.
>>131484277>>131484288Thanks for this, I’ll try to overthink less and simply explore the music.
>>131484309We hope to see you become a regular around here if you decide to plunge in!
>>131479185rumor has it, this is the highest density of hiss ever created by man
A beautiful, literary description of a Bach fugue. This writer really knows how to write about music!
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>>131484611Nigga this shit is awful.Finna clock your ass for this one.Listen to Ashkenazy.
>>131484659NTA; Hough's Nocturnes are better than Ashkenazy's. Much better, even. But to each his own.
>>131484677Cool it with the anti-semitism
I'm listening to Liszt's Piano Sonata in B minor!
>>131484751i can't believe it
I wish Berg wrote more solo piano music. His Piano Sonata, Op. 1, is not only so good, but it perfectly captures the voice of that era. Most other modernists who attempted that kind of sound fell short, even if they're momentarily charming (I won't name names out of risk of causing offense).
now playingArnold Bax: Piano Sonata No. 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMBSZeZpOwg&list=OLAK5uy_nGsJcLl-2tw2fBC3cQZPfyov7vstPfpXc&index=2Arnold Bax: Piano Sonata No. 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA8feM1At9g&list=OLAK5uy_nGsJcLl-2tw2fBC3cQZPfyov7vstPfpXc&index=3Arnold Bax: Dream in Exilehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvI1IDzH7fI&list=OLAK5uy_nGsJcLl-2tw2fBC3cQZPfyov7vstPfpXc&index=4https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nGsJcLl-2tw2fBC3cQZPfyov7vstPfpXc>Although best known for his symphonic poems such as Tintagel, Bax also wrote prolifically for the piano. His early life was dominated by the keyboard and in his twenties he appeared in concerts playing his own music and that of famous European contemporaries. On this first volume of the complete piano works, two epic sonatas are combined with impressionistic miniatures. The First Sonata, a turbulent Lisztian single movement abounding in colouristic effects, particularly at the bottom of the keyboard, was inspired by the new piano music of the Russians, particularly that of Scriabin. The foreboding Second Sonata was described by the composer himself as "concerned with the warring forces of light and darkness", perhaps an autobiographical response to the recently ended war or the Easter Rising or both.
>>131484659>Hough>awful>artificial ebonicsGet help, or die
>>131484774I wish all three of the SVSers wrote more solo piano and less lieder
hey guys, mind if I put a CD on? no? kk cool...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_d3wrjPsdM&list=OLAK5uy_mAOxycxyue3fNW7ZyIYfclnpY5BuJgyOA&index=1*hides behind the couch and carefully watches everyone's reactions*
>>131485022nta but ngl i prefer schoenberg and webern's orchestral music just because dodecaphony is usually boring without a variety of tone colors
>>131484277>Well, Solti's is generally regarded as the best, and if not the best, for sure one of the best.>Solti's is just that goodIt's universally criticised by anyone who knows anything about the music. Kill yourself you tasteless retard. Only good thing about it is the top class singers in good audio quality.
>>131485315Yeah, yeah, yeah. Keep yappin'.
the queen of /classical/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oITmVvR1j2I&list=OLAK5uy_mjZ2SMINXytBl7BeF2VqF-80DFG-2ULjM&index=1
>>131485676she's great, I love her on this Mozart sonatahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmYJk7FMIEo
Sorry, Gieseking. Sorry, Thibaudet. Sorry, Ciccolini. Sorry, Bavouzet. Sorry, Demus. Sorry, Crossley. Sorry, Thiollier. Sorry, Paul Jacobs. Sorry, Pascal Roge. This set, by Noriko Ogawa, is my new official greatest Debussy solo piano cycle of all-time.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVDGP02ydw8&list=OLAK5uy_lBcsG0KmCvkssx3q2mr3z8z71IRVcDQC8&index=2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBN-JXscuQw&list=OLAK5uy_lBcsG0KmCvkssx3q2mr3z8z71IRVcDQC8&index=10https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTb5LWVEpyw&list=OLAK5uy_lBcsG0KmCvkssx3q2mr3z8z71IRVcDQC8&index=17Check it out, you won't regret it.>A recent transfer of the Gieseking cycle on Regis prompted me to make a detailed comparison between Ogawa and Gieseking in all the “canonical” works. Did we still need Gieseking after all these years? I concluded that, in ten pieces, he remains unassailable. In all the rest Ogawa equalled, and sometimes surpassed him. ---- Christopher Howell, MusicWeb
>>131485690Wtf, why does the violin part sound so weird? Sounds more like an instrument being tuned than melodious and euphonious playing. Surely Mozart's violins didn't sound like this.
>>131485690Normally, the mere sight of "fortepiano" and "baroque violin" on the cover would have me proverbially running for the hills (aka a swift move of the mouse to X the tab), but this is indeed wonderful. I'll have to check out the rest of her Mozart now, thanks.>>131485737Gut strings!
>>131485741>Gut strings!I thought they were meant to sound warm???
>>131485676I don't even know who this isWhere's Yuja?
>>131485304I prefer it too, just wish the works which are for piano and voice were just for piano
>>131486078still hallucinating sexism in slightly rude emails from tabloid journalists i guess?
>>131485764they're only warm when they're still inside of the animal
>>131482084Oh sweet summer child
This "interpretation" genuinely made me laugh, during the variationshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zLNAVrquhUTakes talent to manage being THIS bad lol.
>>131487250>These performances raise a serious question about Gould’s desire to remove part of the interpreting artist’s conscious personality from music-making. Gould was only 23 when these sonatas were recorded, but his desire to eliminate any sense of spirituality from these works sounds decidedly conscious. He does not succeed! Beethoven’s last three piano sonatas and the Diabelli Variations are the most profound, sublime music ever written for the piano and even in Gould’s hands their transcendental greatness still shines through.
>>131482106Going from elevating consciousness to objective understanding, then to evolution having a goal, and finally to the universe itself having a trajectory toward consciousness, apparently because of thermodynamics, is quite a big pile of assumptions and leaps in logic. None of those steps automatically lead to the next and you'd have to explain each one. What's the reasoning behind this? You'd also have to explain why aesthetic experience can't elevate consciousness just as much as scientific knowledge.>>131482115I can't speak for anon who said science is literally unimportant, but he does have a point when he criticizes the view of science as something completely neutral and automatically important. I've personally met quite a few people in STEM who are passionate about their field but don't read literature or philosophy, don't engage with the arts, and essentially just do what they were trained to do while uncritically working for various institutions that aren't exactly squeaky clean. Can't say it's not a pattern.
>>131487258What a bunch of horseshit. Whoever wrotes this embarrassment has even less talent than Gould.
>>131487312The rest of the review is negative to the recording, chill.
>>131487306Oh anon, only if you learned to read. The only step I have to explain is the first one. When I said elevating consciousness, I meant improving accuracy of how we perceive the world. We are driven by our subconscious nature: emotional triggers or unexamined habits. Elevating consciousness involves getting rid of as much of these cognitive biases as possible, since they distort reality. As I said: moving from instinct-based to wisdom-based thinking. In other words, transitioning from 'reacting' to 'observing'.>view of science as something completely neutral and automatically important.Whether or not something is 'bad', 'neutral' or 'good' depends completely on the individual, it is not a universal, cosmic law. Science, objective reality to me is not moral or immoral, it is amoral. I do not attribute morality to facts. You misunderstand what science stands for.
>>131487375You've defined elevating consciousness as improving the accuracy of our perception of the world, but that already assumes that consciousness is something that's judged mainly in terms of knowledge and accuracy and that getting closer to objective reality means elevating it. Why?>Whether or not something is 'bad', 'neutral' or 'good' depends completely on the individualYour second paragraph kind of cancels out your main point. If good, bad and neutral are subjective and not written into the cosmos, then on what basis are you saying that your particular idea of elevated consciousness is the primary goal of evolution or the measure of what is important for humanity? It sounds like a subjective judgment. Getting rid of cognitive biases might help you understand facts more accurately, but it doesn't tell you what they mean, what you should do with them or what wisdom is.>transitioning from 'reacting' to 'observing'Observation itself isn't some pristine bias free state, because what we notice, categorize and conclude is already filtered through how our minds work. The move from accurate observation, even if somehow possible at 100%, to wisdom is more philosophical than scientific.>You misunderstand what science stands forI don't think so. I know science tries to be objective, but the practice isn't the same as objective reality itself, nor does it exist in a vacuum. I think the point is that it's a human practice carried out by people through institutions, using concepts, assumptions, incentives and methods that themselves have histories and biases. It sounds nice, but what good are those facts on their own, apart from your assumed vague notion of elevating consciousness, if you're not using them for politics, ethics, meaning etc? And those are all prone to biases.
>>131487375>>131487578Basically all of this sounds a little too much like naive 19th century positivism to me. This idea that you can just keep removing biases and understand more and more and eventually arrive at enlightened wisdom and a list of instructions of how to run society. Reality and life turned out to be a little more complicated than that.
>>131487585Nietzsche already BTFO'd this obsolete mindset.>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PerspectivismAnon is at least 100 years behind the times.
>>131487632Correct.
>>131487578 >consciousness is something that's judged mainly in terms of knowledge and accuracyBy definition, it is. Let's not make this a definition-battle. Let's not go that way, it's kinda pathetic.>and that getting closer to objective reality means elevating it. Why?I believe I explained it already. If we follow the definition, which involves knowledge of the external environment, here is what I wrote:>Elevating consciousness involves getting rid of as much of these cognitive biases as possible, since they distort reality. As I said: moving from instinct-based to wisdom-based thinking.>Your second paragraph kind of cancels out your main point.It doesn't. I never claimed that primary "goal" of evolution is inherently good or bad. We don't even know what the goal is, we can only make reasonable assumptions. Knowledge is the foundation of wisdom, thus its importance.>Observation itself isn't some pristine bias free stateTrue. But we can rationally conclude to some degree that some things are objective truths and some things are cognitive biases. And again, wisdom relies on the objective truths.>but the practice isn't the same as objective reality itselfI don't think this needed to be pointed out at all. No one ever claimed "scientific practice" and "objective reality" are the same, former is a method, the latter is just universe as it is, independently of human perception or observational methods.>if you're not using them for politics, ethics, meaning etcNow why would using the facts for politics, ethics or meaning be inherently good for any of that? You're contradicting yourself in the same post that you accused me of contradiction.I'm also not disputing that science in vaccum is totally useless salad of facts. These facts having such extraordinary usage is what makes them stand out. Medicine, technology, philosophy are tied directly to our senses and methods of observation.
>>131487766>By definition, it isI think that's at the very least arguable. Consciousness obviously involves information and knowledge to some extent, but it isn't usually measured by how objectively correct the information is. It can be a highly subjective experience and state. You're free to define elevating consciousness that way for the purposes of your argument, but then that's your definition and your subjective judgment, not something that just follows from the definition of consciousness. It isn't really a definition battle, just me asking what you actually mean. However dismissive their post was, calling this pathetic is getting awfully close to what anon here warned about >>131481963>wisdom relies on the objective truthsYes, knowledge is a fundamental part of wisdom. But wisdom also involves judgment, context, values and human experience. Knowing more objective facts doesn't automatically tell you what to do with them or what should matter. That's why I keep bringing up things like good and bad in the first place. Just wanted to elaborate on that.>last paragraphThat's just me, but I think things like politics, ethics and meaning are ultimately more important than medicine and technology. Philosophy depends on the field, because some branches work very independently of science.
>tfw you enjoy making grandiose statements like "Schubert's D.960 piano sonata is the only worthwhile thing humans have ever done" for fun and because it sounds nice but anons in /classical/ take it too serious and end up debating for daysfug
>>131487766>>131487863It also shouldn't easily be dismissed that there's a real element of science and technology trying to fix problems that they helped create in the first place. And it doesn't always have anything to do with corrupt or evil people misusing it. Sometimes the problems are just unintended byproducts of pursuing knowledge or developing something practical and useful. Look at plastics, microplastics, nuclear waste, industrialization in general, pollution and environmental damage. You can say those aren't science itself, which is true in a very narrow sense, but then you also can't credit science with every beneficial practical consequence of the exact same process while completely separating it from the harmful ones. I always think of this Hollywood quote>Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they shouldAnd it arguably rings true throughout history. I think this is a completely legitimate reason not to view the mere accumulation of knowledge as the be-all and end-all of human existence.Otherwise, we're not that far apart I think. I agree that science can give us increasingly reliable knowledge about the world. I just don't see how you go from that to 'therefore this is the elevation of consciousness' or 'therefore this is the primary trajectory of evolution and the universe'. That sounds incredibly subjective and built on a house of cards.
feels like a hiss Beethoven morninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up_XRZ_2Wko&list=OLAK5uy_ngKLmztpYB8Lp94jsM1izgBRtd6pObxwA&index=1
>According to Fauré, Grieg’s lyric pieces were the most influential musical works in Paris during the Belle ÉpoqueInteresting.
Beethoven's 7th. An epic struggle between good and evil, light and dark, chaos and order.
>>1314880348th is better.
>>131488034I'm always rooting for the evil.
>>131488047Come up with a cool tagline for it.
Beethoven's 3rd. Man's journey to self-actualize his heroic nature despite his inner struggles and external hurdles.
>>131488052Beethoven's 8th. The finest thing Beethoven ever produced, a celebration of life and all that it means, divine!
>>131488208That's more praise for the work than a description of its emotional narrative, but still, pretty good. I'll take it!
Mahler's 9th. A civilizational clash between romanticism and modernism, the rousing voices of hope and despair, the decline of the old guard and the ascendance of the new.
I got one:Beethoven's 5th. Fate knocking at the door.
Which symphony describes the pulsation of a throbbing cock in one's mouth?
Mahler's 6th. >tfw no gf
now playingstart of Britten: Violin Concerto, Op. 15https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8uCC3InB74&list=OLAK5uy_n1UmFPQwLLLgGrIaD4uD1x242C0NPgeD8&index=2start of Shostakovich: Violin Concerto No. 1 in A Minor, Op. 77https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Stf0heCyvHo&list=OLAK5uy_n1UmFPQwLLLgGrIaD4uD1x242C0NPgeD8&index=4https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n1UmFPQwLLLgGrIaD4uD1x242C0NPgeD8>After a series of critically acclaimed recordings on Onyx - most recently his recordings of violin concertos by Mendelssohn and Tchaikovsky - James Ehnes teams up with the Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra and its charismatic music director Kirill Karabits in concertos by Benjamin Britten and Dmitri Shostakovich. An early work, the Britten was completed in the September of 1939 just as World War II broke out. The work is an emotional commentary on the senselessness of war. The first of Shostakovich's two violin concertos was composed in 1948 for David Oistrakh. It had to wait until 1955 for its premiere due to a ban on "serious" music by the notorious Zhdanov Conference and Party Decree of 1948. After Stalin's death in 1953, Shostakovich was finally able to exert his artistic freedom. The concerto is a truly symphonic work in scale - grand, dramatic and cast in four movements with a huge cadenza placed before the finale, in which the sun bursts out in a brilliant helter-skelter coda.
>>131488219That's literally just quoting Wagner from the prev thread.
>>131488368oh
>>131488368Wow. Did Wagner post in the previous thread?
Bizet?
Beethoven's Kreutzer 9th Violin Sonata. A dance between the duality of reason and passion, where each fight for control yet ultimately support each other.
Dvorak's 9th Symphony. The hope of boundless possibilities and potential in the new world. Of the dawn of a new age of man, a man with a higher type of consciousness and way of living. Democratic. Equal. Open.
Bruckner's 8th. Sublimity in the apocalyptic conflagration of the rapture followed by a divine reunion with God.
Sibelius... yeah, I don't know what the fuck his symphonies are about lol. Sometimes I think they're about human subjectivities and feelings, sometimes I think they're about the relationship between humans and nature, and sometimes I think they're just about nature and the external world.
What's your favorite recording of Schubert's last three piano sonatas?
now playingLiszt: Fantasie und Fuge über das Thema B-A-C-H, S. 529iihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQWBlc4rzVg&list=OLAK5uy_lY15pAx2TkGQyNeYSrl3aMqISxdyuQ558&index=2Liszt: Harmonies poétiques et religieuses, S. 173: III. Bénédiction de Dieu dans la solitudehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BH7oLZGOyk&list=OLAK5uy_lY15pAx2TkGQyNeYSrl3aMqISxdyuQ558&index=3start of Liszt: Années de pèlerinage II, Supplément, S. 162https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SOLK9CPVio&list=OLAK5uy_lY15pAx2TkGQyNeYSrl3aMqISxdyuQ558&index=4start of Liszt: Piano Sonata in B Minor, S. 178https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi6_uSa797k&list=OLAK5uy_lY15pAx2TkGQyNeYSrl3aMqISxdyuQ558&index=6https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lY15pAx2TkGQyNeYSrl3aMqISxdyuQ558>Pianist Marc-André Hamelin’s unprecedented technical acumen, huge sonority, and unflappable control of the piano is everywhere evident in this Liszt recital, along with new-found reserves of passion and freedom... All of these details and more add up to a consistently absorbing and fulfilling Liszt Sonata. Piano lovers cannot afford to miss this extraordinary and beautifully engineered release. ---- Jed Distler, Rating: 10; 10, ClassicsTodayLike I mentioned before, I'm still currently obsessed with this Liszt piano sonata.
>>131489492There are so many great ones, but if I could only have one, perhaps pichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbSyLlp85EQ&list=OLAK5uy_mSyY9n_9UrHXYDGOWh8X70IaTfE_ZKJkg&index=4or Uchidahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-xv6Sje4S8&list=OLAK5uy_mD_I0fcgbtf52yxvIalye4rBIX4IQ2M4Q&index=60and honorable mentions to Brendel, Lupu, and Pollini
>>131489492Schiffhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPlVLYOEHCQ&list=OLAK5uy_nuydEkaViX7DGbr__BstkkUS_q1HISJdw&index=1
I can't articulate why, but damn, I'm really enjoying Scherchen's Beethoven right now. Apologies for laughing off the anons who constantly recommended it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKR_N8yun0U&list=OLAK5uy_l5W72JwwhQ8rNZwt4ypn5Sc_Cw5_IXdVE&index=6
>>131489568One step closer to realizing hiss and the older generations perhaps contained qualities and value the newer generations lacked...? No, it can't be. I refuse!
>>131489568Yes, it's an excellent cycle. Especially 2 / 4 / 5 / 8 since they were with the Royal Philharmonic. The timpanist is the best I've heard in those pieces, he just goes at it.
>>131489492Yuja
Lohengrin Prelude is the greatest piece of music Wagner ever composed
I'd like to get into Maurice Ravel, but I don't know what pieces and recordings to start with. Does anyone have a recommendation? I just really like La Valse.
>>131490148>Pictures at an Exhibition—Reiner>Bolero—Abbado>Daphnis et Chloe—Monteux>Solo Piano—Perlemuter>Piano Concerto—Michelangeli>Piano Trio—Beaux Arts Trio>String Quartet—Quatuor Ebène
>>131484309Never mind. Farewell forever.
>>131488208>Beethoven's 8th. The finest thing Beethoven ever produced(not true, by the way)
>Beethoven's Adagio in E Flat Major WoO43 No. 2 for Mandolin, Violin and Piano. The finest thing Beethoven ever produced!
Today I will listen to Schoenberg
>>131490148You can just dive right in to any set of his solo piano music, as there's only ~2 hours worth of it. The question is which set. Bavouzet's first set is one of they very best, so you cannot go wrong here. After this one, you can explore others.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muUdvvZPm4U&list=OLAK5uy_n4oXvP23jHFxWRyMuNV7rZcyWSBuI60DY&index=4
>>131490148pno cto left hand, pno trio, sheherazade song cycle
Hedaaaaaaaa! Heda hedoooooooooo!
>>131488208>Beethoven's 8th. The finest thing Beethoven ever produced(true, by the way)
>>131490148He has the best Piano Concerto (G).
>>131491127the one for left hand is so much better.
>>131491294(not true, by the way)
>>131489492Zechlin easily
Why do people love Furtwängler so much?
>>131492175posturing
>>131492175larping
>>131492175Because he's probably the greatest conductor who ever recorded classical music.
>>131493114Why?
>>131484811god, how I love Symbolist art
>>131493156because he plays fast parts really fast and slow parts really slow and is in mono and full of hiss
>>131492175Same reason people suck off Cortot
>>131493156Great "romantic" (what modernists call too sensitive and too expressive) sense of dynamics, articulation, rubato and rhythm, etc. Listen to his Beethoven 8th, it is incomparable:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyyoY7-pbnQ
>>131493446>the shittier conductor conducting the shittier symphony of their respective categoriesyeah of couse you're all over it
Is it just me or is Hamelin really not that impressive in the standard repertoire?>>131489509this wasn't that great, for example
>>131493564Hamelin is excellent at early 20th century stuff, particularly Medtner, but I wouldn't trust him with Liszt, no.
It's timehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zixj1hF4mHE&list=OLAK5uy_l2A6TW9Yyc7y81Vd5bd6qKylMu46USgCE&index=1
>>131493462More like the GOATed conductor conducting the GOATed symphony.
>>131492175There is a certain gravitas and majesty I think he captures well. To the extent his recordings are worth checking out? Yeah. To the extent no one since has reached the same heights? lol no
>>131493690sure bud
A new recording with some contemporary pieces + Kodaly.these are the contemporary ones by the pianist Olli Mustonenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_KBBf3hlGE&list=OLAK5uy_ki7oII0RLvvL9oaZTm2FLN3K117c2mhz0&index=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DraZoD1D834&list=OLAK5uy_ki7oII0RLvvL9oaZTm2FLN3K117c2mhz0&index=5these are the Kodalyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwDG7RXwZPI&list=OLAK5uy_ki7oII0RLvvL9oaZTm2FLN3K117c2mhz0&index=3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9uGClXJJUs&list=OLAK5uy_ki7oII0RLvvL9oaZTm2FLN3K117c2mhz0&index=3>For this fifth volume in the Lockenhaus Festival series, under the artistic direction of Nicolas Altstaedt, the cellist presents two works by the Finnish composer Olli Mustonen (born 1967, a student of Rautavaara), including Heavenly Lights (Taivaanvalot) for tenor, cello, and piano, performed here by Ian Bostridge, Nicolas Altstaedt, and the composer at the piano. The English tenor premiered the work in 2016 in its original chamber version, recorded here for the first time. Mustonen will create an orchestral version in 2020, but the original piece is nevertheless titled Symphony: “This work was a revelation to me the moment I discovered it. We are immersed in the era of Finnish bards and the folk poems of the Kalevala, a legendary and mystical world whose stories touch us all, regardless of our country of origin,” says Altstaedt. “A closeness to folk art like the one Kodály sought and found”: his Sonata, Op. 4 (1909–1910), his Sonatina (1920), and the Sonata that Mustonen wrote in 2006—all for cello and piano—also make up this exhilarating and spellbinding program.The Symphony for Tenor, Cello, and Piano is a cool concept for sure, no matter whether you actually like the piece or not.
which Ring to listen to this time... Krauss? No... let's go with Barenboimhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_Pjd94rpvc&list=OLAK5uy_nqiyLMZY1VOcBWOi_-2qeGgwSSeBma6gg&index=1
>>131492175he was ultimately just very effective at presenting an overall conception of a work that was maximally dramatic. all the talk about spirituality and what not is bs. he was just an exciting conductor that understood contrasts
>>131493968>all the talk about spirituality and what not is bs. he was just an exciting conductor that understood contrastsAhhhhhhh!When will you anons ever understand? It's not like people are claiming he's conducting with The Bible in his hand. Spirituality is the EFFECT, the CONSEQUENCE, of the formal techniques. Yeah, okay, well-handled contrasts, considered conception of the musical architecture, exciting tempo contrasts, etc etc but what does it DO? How is it RECEIVED? A kind of spiritual effect in the listener. That's what people mean. It's not 'bs'
>>131493968>>131493985er, exciting tempo shifts*, my bad
>>131493968All his fans talk about are the transcendental and spiritual effects though
>Karajan"Furtwängler is the greatest of all […]; Admittedly, one can sometimes dispute his choices, his options, but enthusiasm almost always prevails, especially in Beethoven. He is the musician who had the greatest influence on my artistic education.">Carlos Kleiber"You know, he's simply the best. There's no one like him… It's hopeless."(In correspondence with conductor Charles Barber): "U and I and the many others…are, say, moles, poodles, warthogs, goldfish, etc (which is OK, I guess) and Furty [Furtwängler] + the like were, say, Giraffes, Whales, Rhinos, Dinos,—oh well."(Asked why he never conducted Beethoven's Ninth, reported reply): "It's all been said already... by him [Furtwängler].">Celibidache"The little I was privileged to experience with him has remained like a lighthouse to me. Everything I did later, I did in relation to the insights I received from him.">Abbado"For me, Furtwängler was always the greatest interpreter… Because with him, every note, every phrasing had a logical meaning." — "Toscanini was different – his music-making was more a very well conducted, schematic, technical affair. With Furtwängler, there was much more music to be heard.">Haitink"I went to Fidelio in Salzburg in 1949 with tremendous expectations. I was trembling with excitement. It was in the old Festspielhaus. And into the pit comes this strange-looking man who started the overture, and it was not entirely together, and I thought, 'Well, is that the great Furtwängler?' Then, all of a sudden, with the start of the quartet Mir Ist so Wunderbar, something happened, and it was as if there was suddenly electricity throughout the auditorium, and it stayed, and it just built up. The next morning there was a Furtwängler concert of the Bruckner Eighth and again I had this same fantastic experience, and I walked along the Salzach afterwards feeling totally emotional."
>Eschenbach"[A] formidable magician, a man capable of setting an entire ensemble of musicians on fire, sending them into a state of ecstasy.">Henry Lewis"I admire Furtwängler for his originality and honesty. He liberated himself from slavery to the score; he realized that notes printed in the score, are nothing but SYMBOLS. The score is neither the essence nor the spirit of the music. Furtwängler had this very rare and great gift of going beyond the printed score and showing what music really was.">Ashkenazy"I never heard such beautiful fortissimi as Furtwängler's." — "[His sound] is never rough. It's very weighty but at the same time is never heavy. In his fortissimo you always feel every voice….">Menuhin"There are many conductors, but very few of them seem to reveal that secret chapel that lies at the very heart of all masterpieces. Beyond the notes, there are visions, and beyond those visions, there is this invisible and silent chapel, where an inner music plays, the music of our soul, whose echoes are but pale shadows. That was the genius of Furtwängler because he approached every work like a pilgrim who strives to experience this state of being that reminds us of Creation, the mystery which is at the heart of every cell. With his fluid hand movements, so full of meaning, he took his orchestras and his soloists to this sacred place.">ToscaniniWhen asked to name the world's greatest conductor apart from himself: "Furtwängler!"
>>131493701>To the extent no one since has reached the same heights? lol noLol yes? Who reached the same heights? The conductors you're about to name all worshipped at the altar of Furtwängler, interestingly enough. Admit it, you're not musically sensitive enough to recognize his true greatness.
>I heard him [Furtwängler] do Die Meistersinger in Berlin. When there was a symphonic piece for the orchestra alone, it was very good. But when there were singers, it was not so good. He was no opera conductor. He would be angry if he heard me say so, but I think he was absolutely a concert conductor.>I very much admired the power of suggestion he exercised, on the public as well as the orchestra. But he did some curious things. For instance, I heard him conduct Bach's Suite in B minor in Berlin before 1933. The coda to the first movement is, I find, a wonderful synthesis, and he left it out. Cut it out. At the concert I talked to Hindemith and asked him what he thought of it. 'Oh,' he said, 'Furtwängler doesn't understand Bach at all.'
>>131494193HIs Bach and most of his vocal accompaniments were not so good, yeah. But he was an exceptionally good Wagner conductor.
>>131494020>>131494040>>131494193you seem desperate to see your arbitrary choices justified by perceived authority
>>131494090>you're not musically sensitive enough to recognize his true greatnessWhy are you all like this?
>>131494351see >>131494300
>>131493935Is the Krauss Ring good?
>>131493993I don't.
>>131494452If you don't mind hiss, yeah. If you do, no.
I don't get Ades.He can be brilliant at times and other times he doesn't make me feel anything :/
>>131494930Sums up contemporary art in general.
>>131495027>contemporary>brilliant at times
feels like a Lohengrin eveninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXQHM-gJ1T4&list=OLAK5uy_l-4Ypgqiz98QkH6KE0rMuvHqNg8wQNi_Y&index=1
>>131494020most of those suck
>>131495108who doesn't suck?
>>131495115I
>>131495115Skrowaczewski
>>131495115Hans von Bülow
>>131495032Brilliant... at all times?
>>131495115They made you... suck?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysLV_AvEQzM
>>131477438Best opera based on a literary work?
>>131495867Pelléas et Mélisande, Otello, Macbeth, Turn of the Shrew, Midsummer's Dream, Faust, the list goes on...
>>131495722I'm not watching your little "video essay" you fucking dunce
>>131495182Mid at the best of times
A list of lesser-known symphony cycles:Dag Wirén (4 symphonies)Camargo Guarnieri (7 symphonies, the last one not recorded yet)Ahmed Saygun (5 symphonies)Alexander Tcherepnin (4 symphonies)Rued Langgaard (16 symphonies)Erwin Schulhoff (8 symphonies)Benjamin Frankel (8 symphonies)Leevi Madetoja (3 symphonies)Aarre Merikanto (3 symphonies)Harald Saeverud (8 symphonies)Maximilian Steinberg (3 symphonies (out of 5) recorded so far)Richard Wetz (3 symphonies)Erkki Melartin (6 symphonies)Louis Glass (6 symphonies)Zygmunt Noskowski (3 symphonies)Viktor Kalabis (4 symphonies)Edvard Fliflet Braein (3 symphonies)Richard Arnell (7 symphonies)Marcel Landowski (5 symphonies)Einar Englund (7 symphonies)George Lloyd (12 symphonies)Don Gillis (11 symphonies)Erland von Koch (6 symphonies)Paul Creston (6 symphonies)Henk Badings (15 symphonies)Joly Braga Santos (6 symphonies)
now playingstart of Chopin: 24 Preludes, Op. 28,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSf74W13QKU&list=OLAK5uy_n-VI-xCGV6Z-tJ_69siTVUXIu9clvh8v8&index=2Chopin: Prelude, Op. 45https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkiOphTV5lo&list=OLAK5uy_n-VI-xCGV6Z-tJ_69siTVUXIu9clvh8v8&index=2start of Scriabin: Preludes, Op. 11https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2clkQlydL_4&list=OLAK5uy_n-VI-xCGV6Z-tJ_69siTVUXIu9clvh8v8&index=26https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n-VI-xCGV6Z-tJ_69siTVUXIu9clvh8v8One can never have too many recordings of these masterpieces.
>tfw no Scriabin Requiem or Masswhy live?
>>131496498requiems are masses dumbass
>>131496506Yes but ideally I'd want a Scriabin Requiem AND a Scriabin Mass, hence the distinction.
>>131496514well if you had a requiem then you'd have both. think about it for a second.
dreaming of a bernstein bruckner 5 ~
I won't stop until I've heard every "Compete Ravel Piano Works" recording in existence.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yokJEJ-cj-0&list=OLAK5uy_lxBMunyHfFx1TVoGM8ZK2GHlZv5v_ypwo&index=1
Listening to Wagner is dangerous. I have to go months avoiding his music otherwise it will take over my life. Out of curiosity, perhaps to see if my memory had exaggerated the effect, I listening to the opening of Ich sah das Kind. Before I knew it the tremendous and overwhelming power of this music and the drama it was conveying came flooding in. I immediately turned it off. The good thing about reading Aeschylus or Shakespeare is that, in this literary form, the intellect can temper and attenuate the impact of their art, but not in music.
>>131496498Scriabin writing christcuck music would be peak irony. We got Poème Satanique, which alone mogs all christcuck music anywayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiLNuvS8YLQ
>>131496644Sounds more like a nightmare.
>>131496498He wanted to write a requiem for humanity...>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysterium_(Scriabin)
>>131482636What does he say about vibrato?
>>131496847Don’t ever compare Shakespeare to that tedious bore again
>>131497122If Kundry isn't a character worthy of Shakespeare then I don't know what is.
>Furtwängler (1950)>Krauss>Furtwängler (1953)>Keilberth (1955)>Solti>Böhm>KarajanChoose
>>131497298Choose what
>>131497298BohmNow if you had Szell in there as well, that'd be a difficult pick. But still Bohm
>>131497210because she's a miserable jew?
>>131487942Grieg is underrated now. Not surprised he was more popular back then when people in general had better taste and were more educated in the arts.
>entire thread of solo piano retardation and orchestral faggotryVGH, it gets so lonely being a chamber music chad...
>>131497533Can't help it. I love the sonic variety of an orchestra.
>>131497514You're not surprised Grieg was more popular in the era when the style of music he was composing was more popular?
>>131497383She's no more Jewish than the Flying Dutchman.
>>131497514meanwhile in the hall of the mountain king might be the most overplayed piece of classical music of all time
>>131497545Being stylistically contemporary with your audience doesn't guarantee popularity. There are probably dozens of composers who are considerably more popular now than they were in their own time and vice versa.>>131497558One tiny movement being absurdly overplayed doesn't mean the composer as a whole isn't underrated.
>>131497551wut
>>131497572>Being stylistically contemporary with your audience doesn't guarantee popularity.But it's obviously the basis for it if you a popular and write in a contemporary style.
>>131497579Flying Dutchman was called the 'Ahasverus of the Seas' by Wagner, because the wanderings of both the Dutchman and Kundry were inspired by the myth of the wandering Jew in Wagner's operas.
>>131497648oh neat, didn't know that.
>>131477438>This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.Is this bullshit really necessary?
>>131497843Yes, because non-Westoids culturally appropriated the term "classical" and so now we have to specify which kind of classical we mean unfortunately.
>>131497878People never complain about cultural appropriation against whites :(
>>131497893Because it's usually the Europeans that culturally appropriate, but that doesn't excuse non-Europeans at all.
>>131497298The real answer is it's worth rotating between all of those. Is this the anon who's anxious and daunted about all the options for recordings and doesn't know what to choose? Like I said, just start with Solti or Karajan, and if you love the work, just end up trying them all and see what you personally like.
>>131497305choose this!*unzips*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au7eGlzjUS4&list=OLAK5uy_krUiIOdREye1KPLepNVr2f1tmkoRdu5BA&index=5
>>131497907Euros culturally improve, more like
NEW THREAD>>131498044>>131498044>>131498044
>>131497843Yes
It's time...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKfrIe_sNuk
>>131497636That makes it a factor, not an explanation for why he was more popular then than now.
the vagner meme
the "the vagner meme" meme
