Schubert and Schumann editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGed2S-UAlgThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>131498044
The two Schu's.
>>131516641Schütz and William Schuman?
>>131516586She was talking about Clara btw.
Wie? Welchen Handel hätt' ich geschlossen?
now playingScriabin: 3 Pieces, Op. 2: Prelude in B Major, Op. 2, No. 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLG6dAvloCw&list=OLAK5uy_maAg_DLhX6APAGCr2z6ajOh2NT8M3hj0E&index=2Scriabin: Prelude for the Left Hand in C-Sharp Minor, Op. 9, No. 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0pvcVla3uU&list=OLAK5uy_maAg_DLhX6APAGCr2z6ajOh2NT8M3hj0E&index=3start of Scriabin: 24 Preludes, Op. 11https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqsJa4OpCZ8&list=OLAK5uy_maAg_DLhX6APAGCr2z6ajOh2NT8M3hj0E&index=4start of Scriabin: 6 Preludes, Op. 13https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nYhdzH6bOI&list=OLAK5uy_maAg_DLhX6APAGCr2z6ajOh2NT8M3hj0E&index=28start of Scriabin: 5 Preludes, Op. 16https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scG1wrd0__A&list=OLAK5uy_maAg_DLhX6APAGCr2z6ajOh2NT8M3hj0E&index=34start of Scriabin: 7 Preludes, Op. 17https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHAF1MjyY0E&list=OLAK5uy_maAg_DLhX6APAGCr2z6ajOh2NT8M3hj0E&index=43https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_maAg_DLhX6APAGCr2z6ajOh2NT8M3hj0EAll of the Amazon community reviews describe these as distinctive performances with a slower tempo and textured approach, so be forewarned.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYWJ6FBxZ78Pretty good, but the vocals are too far in the background.
In 2024, I was commissioned by the contemporary dance company James Wilton Dance to create a cello-based score for a new work entitled BACH Reimagined. One of the main guiding threads of this piece was the intersection between Baroque counterpoint and modern metal. Musically, Empyrean is a dialogue with Bach across the centuries, weaving together Baroque purity with post rock, electronic textures, and experimental noise, uniting the atmospheric and ethereal quality of Worlds Within with the Middle Eastern melodies and metal edge of Lifeblood.While Bach’s music serves as an impetus for some of the compositions here, it is the immortality he achieved in pursuing the divine through art that serves as the core inspiration for this work.https://raphaelweinroth-browne.bandcamp.com/album/empyrean
>>131517482>metalNo thanks. But, admittedly, a cool concept.
I am listening to Palestrina's Magnificat right now, what about you? :)
>>131517532https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZZM9jbYBtU&list=OLAK5uy_k5bOoIIO_qlwzAc7PYoktqM2s_Z8FriTk&index=12Gloria! Gloria!dodo dodo dododo dodo do
>>131517574Is there an all girls choir version, like Vivaldi intended?
>>131517824I did some sampling of some of the recordings by acclaimed HIPster conductors, and was surprised none of theirs fit the bill. So I did some research, and found one: Andrew Parrott and the Taverner Choir. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE7cpxDkGtQ&list=OLAK5uy_lMYZSbREwG1vGHsaosaigIc2rObUBdSAQ&index=2it also includes the Magnifcathttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm_LwI65MkI&list=OLAK5uy_lMYZSbREwG1vGHsaosaigIc2rObUBdSAQ&index=17And some other assorted pieces.That'll be $5 to my cashapp for the labor. You're welcome.
Has there ever been a convincing stereo remaster of a recording that only ever existed in mono?
>>131517937no. they just add echo.
>>131517937excellent question mahoshitter
>>131517937Physically impossible I'm afraid.
glorious mono is glorioushttps://youtu.be/Xz296L9PJXg
>At a time when barely a month goes by without the release of yet another remastering of the Solti Ring Cycle, I often wonder why whenever I feel the need to enter Wagner’s magical world of gods, dwarves, Rhinemaidens and humans, Solti’s is rarely the version I choose to take down from my shelves. Of course, the Decca project is a fantastic achievement and perhaps deserves its sobriquet of ‘Recording of the Century’ that Gramophone Magazine imperiously bestowed upon it – albeit, just about (whisper it, but I find that Solti’s Die Walküre is trumped by both Leinsdorf’s and Karajan’s studio versions from the same decade, as well as Karl Böhm’s live account from Bayreuth from the same time; not something that exactly helps the argument for it being the ‘greatest recording of the century’). I well remember that when Testament started to issue the [Keilberth] Ring Cycle under review here, critics practically fell over themselves awarding it adulation and plaudits. After all, yes, the cast is great, but merely contains the usual denizens of the Green Hill from that time; Keilberth was admittedly a fine conductor but he was a hardly a Krauss or Knappertsbusch, who led the 1953 and 1956 Cycles at Bayreuth respectively, and yes, I’m sure the sound is good, too, although I’m also of the opinion that it would take singular skill to produce a bad one at such a sympathetic venue as Bayreuth. There must have been a very good reason why Decca, and John Culshaw in particular, wanted it shelved to produce their own studio account of the Cycle; in which case, then surely this Keilberth cycle cannot really be that good?... So, ultimately I am left agreeing with the learned friend of Ralph Moore, quoted at the end of his survey of Wagner Ring Cycles, who sagely opines: “Solti/Decca for beginners, Keilberth/Testament for connoisseurs, with Krauss ̓53 as the pick of the bunch.”https://musicwebinternational.com/2025/11/wagner-der-ring-des-nibelungen-testament/thoughts?
>>131518067Uhm... aren't you supposed to favor Furtwängler over all if you want to sound like you know what you're talking about? This guy must not have gotten the memo.
The mass is the greatest form of music. It uses the full scope of instruments and textures, has no recicative and great musical structures baked into the words.
>>131518067>Keilberth/TestamentLegitimately one of the worst sounding abominations I have ever heard - even for Bayreuth's low standards. It probably has the worst balance and ugliest sounding brass ever heard on a professional stereo recording.
>Listen to Bob Dylando Glen Gould sisters actually?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk0rWMWHLA4This Alberich's sneezing is pathetic!
Is this a good thing?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf9rs7o_pQQ&list=RDqf9rs7o_pQQ&start_radio=1
>>131518315damn, so metaphysical, so transcendent, so divine
now playingstart of Chopin: Piano Concerto No. 1 in E Minor, Op. 11https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSCa_GD5klM&list=OLAK5uy_lXu5PPwBWZLFsubYUsuiGnhXmiB5zhePA&index=2start of Chopin: Piano Concerto No. 2 in F Minor, Op. 21https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB6PT6xTIVk&list=OLAK5uy_lXu5PPwBWZLFsubYUsuiGnhXmiB5zhePA&index=4https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lXu5PPwBWZLFsubYUsuiGnhXmiB5zhePA>British pianist Benjamin Grosvenor presents a new recording of 2 concerto favorites: Chopin's Piano Concertos Nos.1 & 2. These works have been an active part of his repertoire since his early teens: "Chopin was the first composer to whom I felt a strong connection as a child. I have always been drawn to his music, and his piano concertos are among some of the finest in the repertoire." Recorded with Elim Chan and the Royal Scottish National Orchestra, it's his first orchestral album since 2012.
So can Alberich breathe underwater, or what exactly is going on there?
...doch eeeeiiiiiner üüüüübt ihn leeeeiiiicht, der seeeeeel'ger Liiiiiiieeeeeb entsaaaaagt!
>>131518287probably; the're both overrated pop music
>>131518337
>ruins music forever
>>131518315The singing in this really is quite terrific.
>>131518950And the orchestral playing?
Stop listening to Wagner.
>>131518924Cool it with the anti-semitism
>>131518985I wasn't
>>131518984Successful in providing an aural tapestry for the drama.
>>131519075>it's there, I guessdropped
>>131519103anon there are zero recordings of the ring with both good orchestral playing and singing throughout
Feeling left out with all the Wagner posting. I can't spend 4 hours listening to an opera which I won't even enjoy at first anyway. Yeah, a (Me) problem, I know.
>>131519173This is why God (through the hands of Lorin Maazel) created The Ring Without Words.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-DFlCgeb4w
Liszthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njz2KIfBqoU&list=OLAK5uy_nslsSv1Mx0P7gy6R-4WFfbew-WeshO92w&index=1
>>131519192Why would I listen to that over Songs without Words?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46cjv7_S2BU
>>131519246because it is different music that gives you a different sensation upon listening
>Mendelsohn's Songs Without Words:/>Wagner's Ring Without Words:)>Chopin's Nocturnes With Words:O
>>131519150exactly
>>131519192Give me all ~15 hours of the Ring exactly as it is but without vocals or give me nothing. I will die on this hill: Access to a purely instrumental recording of Wagner's (entire) operas, at least the major ones, would be the smartest move any record label could make, and would personally push Wagner from a top 25 composer to a top 5.
>Schubert without Words Ya better than all that other without words drivel
>>131519363Yet another example of how composers shoot themselves in the food throwing annoying singers onto excellent music
>>131519310Do you think a version where the vocals are replaced with solo instruments would work?
>>131519378It would certainly be an improvement and worth listening to, but my dream is to have just the instruments as they already are, alone, with no singing.
>>131519363>>131519375Any piano solo recordings of his main song cycles?
>>131519409The Liszt-Schubert transcriptions. Three volumes from Leslie Howard! Other smaller recordings are worth checking out too.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iRnqJaxiPk&list=OLAK5uy_nO8lFMPvcbZoh9GeC3nDXrXJCzXN9CX_E&index=1
>>131519409>>131519453Just to be clear, that recording contains Schwanengesang and Winterreise, among others.
>>131516823>ZarafiantsDisgusting. Find a better recording of his preludes. No wonder Scriabin isn't as popular as he should be when dogshit recordings like this exist and people get the wrong impression.
Let me guess you need more?
>>131519514Indeed I do.
>being unable to enjoy the human voicesad!https://youtu.be/U1HYnBuxXH4
>>131519453>Leslie Howardsign me right the fuck up
>>131519542People like what they like and dislike what they dislike. Nothing sad about it.
>>131519264>Chopin's Nocturnes With Wordshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUf0pixcDsEIt's very pretty. But I still prefer the original.
>>131519598Charming!
>he needs words to understand Schubert's genius
>>131519813...but anon, he put the words in himself!
>>131519310dude just fucking learn the German in the libretto it doesn't take that long
>>131519936How will that conjure an instrumental Ring?
>>131520000it will entirely erase the desire for one
>>131520008Bad news, babygirl
>>131519898Sometimes they don't know better.See adding all the repeats.
>>131516858Huh? They're way too loud if anything
>>131520191oh also I'm trans, if that matters
>>131520464Not sure this has to do with my post but that's cool Anon.
>>131518067Krauss is good, but I don't find it very convincing in the last two entries. Windgassen falls apart in the forging song in Siegfried and is very far ahead of the beat the whole time. There's also lots of ensemble issues in Gotterdammerung, to an annoying degree. I would just rather listen to 52 Keilberth.
>>131520538>I would just rather listen to 52 Keilberth.This might be the most hipster answer of them all.
>>131520593Maybe. It has mostly the same singers, but it has the GOAT Max Lorenz as Siegfried in Gotterdammerung and for whatever reason, Keilberth is on way better form than in 55 and the orchestra is too. It's played to the nines.
>>13152059352 Keilberth is a very highly regarded Ring...
>>131520718>>131520633Look, the historical hiss KKK (Krauss, Knapp, Kempe) and Furtwangler is one thing because the only option is hiss. But Keilberth has a stereo Ring. You're just downgrading yourself. Like listening to Klemperer's mono Mozart when his stereo Mozart is right there!
I should have said hisstorical KKK hehe
>>131520765Hissterical Anon.
>>131520752I don't like Kempe or Kna in Wagner. Keilberth's stereo recording with its in-the-microphone brass sounds horrendously ugly. While it's not as hifi, the mono recordings resolve the acoustic of Bayreuth far better, since they weren't sticking microphones directly in the pit. And there are many reasons to prefer Klemperer's mono Mozart over the stereo ones, not least of which is tempo. Klemperer got slower and slower as he aged, not to mention stiffer.
>>131516586Did Rostropovich ever record Walton's Cello Concerto?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVO_CevHNnM
>>131520752Keilberth's stereo ring has a high-school-band-tier brass section, unfortunately
>>131520191>He hates listening to music
>>131521159They do crack a bit, but really the main issue is that the Decca engineers made the mistake of miking them very close. With the way that the Bayreuth pit is - very deep, much deeper than most opera pits - and with how many players they had, it is overwhelmingly loud up close. As an audience member, you wouldn't notice, because it resolves in the hall and diffuses, but in that recording it is treacherous.
>>131520892I get why you wouldn't like Knapp but I'm surprised you don't like Kempe with his lithe rhythms and propulsive verve (which is to say, where Knapp is slow, meditative, granitic, Kempe is smooth, melodic, hell, I'll say it, groovy).
>>13152216114:30 is already a hard sell for me as far as Der Ring timings go, that's basically right dead center on what I would consider "too slow", there are only a few conductors that can persuade me in that territory. Kempe was a great colorist, but the Bayreuth acoustic hardly does his approach justice. It just isn't an acoustic for micro detail, unless you have the fancy schmancy engineering that Bohm got for his cycle. That, and, for whatever reason, Hans Hopf is just really irritating to me as a Siegfried. I feel about him the same way some people do towards Kollo, I guess.
>>131517925>>131517824Not only did I not get my $5 on cashapp but not even a thank you or acknowledgement, sad.
>>131522232>14:30 is already a hard sell for me as far as Der Ring timings go, that's basically right dead center on what I would consider "too slow",So hell for you is having to listen to Levine's Ring on repeat, huh?
>>131522247Sure. But I would never turn that on, anyway. The singing is not great.
>>131518924Wagner already did that. He just embraced it.
Brahmshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_aVRUmO-IA&list=OLAK5uy_mJkv9gHFgfzqadMQ2S87fz5CXMcamhtg0&index=5
Guys... I think I'm beginning to get classical music'd out. I just don't know what to listen to anymore. I've heard it all already, many, many times. I need a break or something.
>>131522675slit your throat and bleed to death.
>>131522683Wouldn't that be extremely painful?
>>1315226864 u
>>131516586yeah this thing fucks
hot take: Bruckner 8 and 9 are performance proof works. There are obviously better and worse recordings, but there are none that sound bad, that ruin the works. It always sounds good. Here's a random pick from a, what, fourth-tier cycle? Still good.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilOShnfaz10&list=OLAK5uy_nTwxQf-F7lwKEb5EbmXPoiOpcOmAeFCvI&index=1
>>131522746>Schubert sucksglad to see you finally realized.
>>131522755speaking of which, I'mma finally listen to that Paavo Jarvi Bruckner cycle, it's been in my backlog for years.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQUThDjo4YE&list=OLAK5uy_lWuY6MtHkQ9LW2HptOpgNu5d0KfNQY66Y&index=13I did, however, remove Inbal's Bruckner cycle from my library. Sorry, but I'm never gonna actually listen to that.
>>131522776wash the dry cum off of your eyelids
>>131522840Schubert's music insists on itself.
All greatness insists on itself.
>>131522854>Schubert's music insists on itself.elaborate on thathttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roDAmtGwQOo
>>131522855laughably stupid.
>>131522862>elaborate on that just because you can shit out a new composition every day doesn't mean you should.
>>131522896if it's good, why not
>>131522854nonsensical reply>>131522896>I hate musicyeah we can tell
>>131519310That would be a capitulation to the masses' retarded dislike of opera singing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N84r_sF7jE0This Alberich sounds notably different from pretty much all the later interpretations I've heard. Was Neidlinger so influential that everyone copied him/conductors only cast singers who sounded like him?
>>131522896Bachbros...
>>131522755Nope.https://youtu.be/hkZPJ73DDEM
>>131523566a week isn't a day
>>131523874In the eyes of god, a thousand years are like a day.
>>131517482Bach with augmented seconds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcebWCWfwTY&list=RDPcebWCWfwTY&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhEPuAFvN9Q&list=RDUhEPuAFvN9Q&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF7pK4TXtv4&list=RDAF7pK4TXtv4&start_radio=1Why is Brumel so beautiful bros?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLFVGwGQcB0
>>131523710Obviously Mr. Cobra is always exempt from these kinds of conversations.
What's a good palate cleanser after you've almost overdosed on Wagner?
>>131524345Solagehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBfBeXO8LFU
>>131524345some 16th-century polyphony should do the trick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlSS9dVA-aoAnother distinctive Alberich. Is there some kind of cabal enforcing uniform interpretation that was formed when stereo recording was invented?
>>131525035singers were simply more distinctive back then.
>>131525035The giants in this one are a bit disappointing desu. Too light.
>>131525035This Loge is also not really my cup of tea.
