>>131694252I wonder if people like in OP suffer from extreme aphantasia, like I'm wondering if they're even capable of abstract thought themselves because they completely miss the point of art.
>>131694293i draw and i make music
I have yet to hear good AI music, see good AI art, or read good AI writingI'm not anti-AI at all, and am very open to having my mind changed, but I don't think it's going to happen
I'm not anti-AI but applying AI to art is a really dumb idea and it's never going to work. You don't retain copyright control over wholly AI generated works, but that's only part of the problem, another part of the problem is that the art world is just too tied to humanity. Art is given value because of who made it and what their motivations were. AI artfags seem to be under this impression that people only value art based on what they believe are objective, technical competence, but that's just not how the real world works, and also by holding AI art to those standards you're just admitting it's all trash anyways because AI art generators are literally made and marketed to people who don't actually like making art themselves. And finally it just doesn't make economic sense anyways, because AI generates whatever it wants regardless if it even fits what your technical goals are, which means they require manual vetting and prompt engineering, which eliminates whatever advantages you otherwise had with turning to AI in the first place. And several studios have already ran into this issue.AI certainly has its place, but art just aint it
>>131694252AI art is another stupid culture war to distract you from the actual issue, AI surveillance
>>131694496surveillance stops being an issue when you stop using public services in your home like phone and internet, but you won't, because at the end of the day we all chose this coffin to lie in.
>>131694252Ok but does anyone besides morons want to actually listen to AI music
>>131694532I want to listen to music I like. If it's made by AI, so be it. Unless the music is absolutely god tier, I'll simply pirate it. If it is god tier, then I'll pay a pittance to encourage more god tier music made.
>>131694532if it somehow begins to surpass the peak of human creativity and create new forms no human could ever dream of then i'll probably have to resign my soul to the machine
>>131694252SAAAAR!!!
>>131694252>Goyify, CRAPple Music, and streaming is OVER.zased, MP3Chads win again!
>>131694415>I have yet to hear good AI music, see good AI art, or read good AI writingthat you're aware of ;)
>>131694856I admit that it's hard to tell the difference between AI music and kpoop, but I don't listen to either so it's not much of a risk
>>131694510>just dont use the internet even though all modern infrastructure relies on itAlso don’t know why you’ve made the arbitrary distinction of using your phone in your house and out of it, as if sending a private message outside your house gives it the right to be surveilled
>>131695203>>just dont use the internet even though all modern infrastructure relies on itLike I said, this is a coffin we built ourselves. We want to be spied on, if we were actually serious about privacy we wouldn't be using the internet in the first place>as if sending a private message outside your house gives it the right to be surveilledLearn what "Expectation of Privacy" means in legal terms, dumb zoomer
>dude it's freaking tom pearl x charlie kirk the parody song>dude it's freaking tung tung tung tung skibidi roblox biden 2 the parody song>dude it's freaking uhhh one of those 1950s blues ones about shitting your pants from a year ago that we failed to make into a viral trend>and um well we got like uh filipino balearic tanning salon muzak you can make yourself too i guess if you're into that or something>ooooOoOOoOo spoOo0oO0ooky it's aliiiiiiive aaaahhhhhh yikes it says we have to give sam altman even more of our money and put you in a concentration camp oOoOoOoOooo also set up an evil computers-themed one world spooky satan government where we pretend it's spookily in charge like terminator or something ooo spooky get excitedi fucking hate these people so much man. fuck LLMs and fuck this economy
>>131694252Could AI make the King of Limbs? No. Checkmate.
>>131694252I want to hear what artists want to express, I don't want my "demographic needs" served.fuck off with this bullshit lolAi lyrics are meaningless because they're calculated spam and nothing more
>>131694252AI music can only make pop shart and predictable garbage. It's designed for it. It can never experiment.
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>>131695311Jeff Lynne isn't pro-AIalso why is Rampage Jackson on the left?
Yamaha DX7 was going to revolutionize music.it was available to all and you could make infinite sounds.I remember someone saying, "If you want to play a 50-foot glass guitar now you can do it".(why would I want that?)the result: that those synths ruined a lot of great 1970s groups; their 80s output is unlistenable I just don't see what Ai offersaside from low-cost music for labels and retailers to play in their chain stores and restaurantsif you're not a label or retailer chain owner why would you care?
>>131695311who's the girl above Neil Young?also: guessing these people are all actually anti-Ai?
>>131695363>guessing these people are all actually anti-Ai?I think all the people in that image ARE the AI
>>131695223No one wants to be spied on it’s just the cost of giving up the internet is too high and most people never feel the consequences of said surveillance. Also expectation of privacy legally extends to digital communication and even if we should expect de facto digital surveillance, the individual is left helpless to prevent it as digital communication becomes so fundamental to everyday life.
>>131695233AI models have been proving maths conjectures for like a year now
>>131694252would that guy happen to be Indian?
>>131694252Royalty free stock music, muzak, Christian rock bands, chiptunes, anime musicAnything where discernment and taste exists will reject itTop 40 pop relies a lot on personality so can go either way, but would need the right marketing
>>131695233thisall of it has been lame as fuck memes or gimmicks and the b-movie sci fi plot rhetoric surrounding it from linkedin drones makes it worse
>>131694252>suno 6lol this one is actually the worst version because suno got sued and bought out by warner so it can only train exclusively on licensed music. if anything ai music has gotten worse
>>131695536Honestly if you've used the Suno or Udio apps, you will quickly figure out what their songs sound like, and then you can easily hear it anywhere
>>131695223>in legal termsThe law never made men a whit more just. The internet doesn’t have to be surveillance hell and you can fight it.
>>131694252Taylor Swift and Drake, hopefully. Their shit is AI quality already.
>>131695618they use the same voicethe clanker loves this voice somewhere between halsey, imagine dragons, and 21 pilots. the vocalist doesnt breathe after doing a 20 second vocal run, does weird gasps and yelps that dont fit, tinny watery mix that doesnt have an actual top end because ears arent actually mixing this shit. its slop that solely exists to make money from spotify stream botting, or to be clipped by an automated tiktok channel harvesting 50,000 views from autistic children and boomers with dementia before the algorithm dumps it into the landfill of forgotten internet garbage. its the equivalent of jiggling fisher price keys in front of a drooling downie. ai prompt jockeys wanting to be treated as real musicians are like when a waitress pats a retard in a bib on the head and calls them the big special birthday boy
I can literally make any song I want and place every note exactly how I like it and have a finished song in 2-4 hoursThere's just no purpose to using AI, I don't need to shit out an album every week.It's just so strange to me. Open a fucking DAW and try. It's the easiest art form I ever tried. Pixel art is harder. No I won't post my music.
>>131695797Bro its literally terminator mecha hitler dude it like solved math science history big bang it can replace everything its fucking me in the ass right now dude
Haters can hate, I'm having fun. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5KTaolKTBA
>>131694415I can say the same about zoomers, or music in general in 2026, AI can be miles better than anything on aoty top 20.
>>131694252>Spotify, Apple Music, and streaming in general is overWtf i love AI now?
He might be right. NPC normies don't need much from music, just some upbeat background noise that keeps them focused on their next bing-bing-yahoo move
AI music is honestly awful. It's like someone going to a restaurant, eating at a expensive restaurant, going home, regurgitating the meal and trying to make a new meal out of it.
>>131695344The DX7 is at least 10% responsible for the 80s being the best decade in music. Every album is better with a DX7 (or modern emulation, which sounds identical). Of course I want a 50-foot glass guitar, that sounds awesome.
>>131695797>>131698709AI music is only bad if you're the kind of disinterested thespian who thinks music is the same skill as acting infesting the music industry. You deserve every moment of this.
>>131699108>the 80s being the best decade in musicholy kek
the bread is tasteless and the circus is boring.
>>131694252I don't want personalised music.
>>131695798You’re just justifying your own replacement with this. >Muh artform is actually the most brainless bullshit imaginable and all im doing is painting patterns with presetsWell great people aren’t going to feel bad when you’re replaced by an AI that can do the same thing
>>131694252The ones that tour in person will be fine. The rest, watch out.
>>131700331which is no one lol
>>131700108Why should I be bothered if the dumbest 40% of the population wants to guzzle slop all day? Apart from their retard appetites contributing to making computer parts too expensive right now
I personally think everyone who uses, enjoys, consumes AI content should thrown in a wood chipper.
>>131694252>solvedYou don't hate (((software developers))) enough.
I worked the Chris Brown/Usher tour and they had the shittiest AI slop videos playing in between tracks. There was one where CB was fighting a giganigga type fat dude and it looked like the fat guy breaks pool slop videos. Idk how you can setup a million dollars worth of speakers, million dollars worth of lights, million dollars on LED, then have jeets generate all your media for 5 bucks. They really think you’re stupid.
>>131694252>>131694415AI music is only good for generating generic background music or novelty songs and probably will be so forever. The average person has rock bottom tastes and AI are trained to output based on its training data and annotations then adjusted to maximize profit and engagment. So like all AI, the real bottleneck is the tasteless mass of humans outputting garbage and loving it. Though overall, people still prefer not to listen to AI music UNLESS it was AI music they generated in which case they will think it's the greatest song ever. AI music still has a “sound” to it, and it's not up to par with a professionally produced and mixed song. The only real use I can see by artist would be cutting up AI produced samples in a DAW and then mixing them into full song. I've experimented trying to sample with Suno, and while the newer models have sound quality that's pretty ok-ish, all of it need work to the point where it was just easier for me to play the song on keyboards or the piano roll. Honestly, it's just easier to just become a DJ or get good at working a DAW than it is to sit there and try to get the AI prompt to output what you actually want. It probably always will be too because it's the skill set not the technology that offers creative freedom. >>131694866Out of all the genres, AI Kpop is the closest to sounding real, in part because it's in foreign language so it's more difficult to hear artificats in the lyrics, and also because Kpop is so streamlined and artifical to begin with. It's kind of sad, some of the girls are really talented singers and musicans in their own right, but end up sounding identically generic after studio mega autists process them to hell. In the end, they're just consumer products to titallate foreigners and keep the SK birth rate well below replacement.
>>131699129What the fuck does that even mean? ChatGPT hallucinate this post for you too?
>>131698225When one generates a song, do they just give a general description or does one go as far as to write the lyrics?I'm trying to figure out if it's the machine or the human's fault that this sucks
>>131694252zoomers, they're a talentless and disposable generation in music, whose only claim to fame is the lack of competition. Soon only legacy acts will still matter, AI will replace the need for new artists
>>131700920Depends on the person. Here it's my fault, I write shitty lyrics.
>>131700908Destroying AI isn't going to force people to appreciate your music.
The only way to get me to listen to AI music will be deception. I am not interested in engaging with synthetic depictions of human expression.I'll admit some of the AI shitpost songs are amusing, that is about it.
Marketing jingle musicians are basically completely obsolete thanks to AI, and it's not like they were in a good position lately either when they were mostly replaced with companies buying licenses to actual music. I think that's about it.
>>131694252There hasn't been any worthwhile innovation in music in almost a decade. AI can't end anything that isn't already over.
>>131694252Takes like this are fucking braindead as can be. The entire point of entertainment media is that I don't have to fucking come up with the idea. Nobody even wants to do the work to have a "seed idea" for the machine to run with. Here we are now; entertain us.
>>131702532There are different levels of human contribution, though. Some people prompt and pray, and a lot of these are the no effort scammers releasing hundreds of slop songs to try and game the system, making everyone else look bad. Some people write lyrics but can't play or sing. Some people can sing passably, but use AI to tune it and add instrumentation resulting in a clone of their own voice. Some people play a melody and unload it as a seed, or compose the entire thing in midi, but then take that to the AI, then split stems, stick it in a DAW, etc. Not all AI songs are created equal, and while there is plenty out there that lacks human expression, there is a lot where the effort and expression and intent to create something meaningful, even if only personally meaningful, is there.
>>131702961Fair enough. I can't see my dismissive stance towards "prompt and pray" changing. I would be willing to at least engage with the second group, so long as there is some degree of transparency around how the technology was used in production.
>>131703151Suno recently added download limits, and there's a contingent of users who are up in arms saying 20 or 60 (depending on their) songs a month isn't enough. I've been a subscriber for almost a year and I haven't hit 60 total. Of course, at the same time a few local gen models were released that don't need a super high end card to run. They aren't as good as Suno, but I don't think the scammers care. I'm the first tier of the second group. I write my lyrics, but I have no talent. I've tried, had a violin, a clarinet, a flute, a guitar, a couple of others I tried to pick up, but I was never exposed to it as a kid. No money for lessons or something to play. Best I had was a plastic recorder and a wooden 6 hole flute I lifted from a flea market when I was 12. I do have a performance grade electric piano, weighted keys, the whole deal, that I can play a bit but in the end I completely lack dexterity, especially in my right hand. So AI gives me the chance to play around, do things I couldn't before, and enjoy myself. I throw stuff online here and there as kind of a vanity/ego thing, and some songs my mother liked that she wanted to be able to access. I also make no secret that my stuff is AI, and I restrict it from iTunes and Apple Music because they bar AI without at least some human performer credit (writing doesn't count) and I'm not going to lie about that.
normies don't really care about music. Pop/longform electronic will be taken down first. Rap will stick around becuase it requires the """artist""" to be a criminal
>>131704236glad it works for you anon, thanks for your perspective
>>131700643I mostly agree with you. I was screwing around with suno today and was pretty impressed, but ultimately my impression is that the songs it generates are very trite. Im a rock/metal guitarist and so I would never actually use the generated audio from suno, but I could see it being useful for coming up with riff ideas, and then running them through the human filter of my brain and fingers to smooth them out. I don't think AI is going to replace musicians any time soon, and honestly I doubt I'll be using it a year from now unless it gets substantially better. But I won't rule it out completely either.
>>131694293>implying most popular music is art and not just a corporate product
>>131704236why don't you just tracker or piano roll then anon? those don't take any dexterity. then the melodies are your own.
>>131695363>who's the girl above Neil Young?FKA Twigs>guessing these people are all actually anti-Ai?Will.i.am and Rick Rubin are openly pro-AI so I assume it's a pro-AI image.
>>131694252I just want people to make music for me. I never want to make my own music, also I only want to listen to relevant artists. So that isn't AI.
>>131704867What are good, preferably free or cheap, tools these days to get my feet wet? I'd played around with MIDI software way back in the 90's, and my little kid brain couldn't understand then why I couldn't just make it turn the .mid into a much more real sounding .wavAI makes possible exactly what I'd wanted back then.
>>131705005Literally any DAW, it’s what they’re for, what are the free ones people use these days, Reaper? I’d say you’re better off getting comfortable sailing the high seas and acquiring FL or Ableton, plus a bunch of Kontakt libraries. Experiment with “programming in real instrument performances” and if it feels good, you can get deeper into sound design, digital signal processing, and maybe buy some tools you really like.
>>131705082>>131705005In fact, if you tell me what type of music you want to make, I can be more specific, but here’s a list of ROMpler/Kontakt library instruments that will allow you to more or less literally “turn MIDI into realistic sounding wav”>electric guitar and bassImpact Soundworks’ Shreddage line. Argent and Darkwall are wildly capable for all genres, and not just for extreme metal, but they have other libraries as well>orchestraEastwest Hollywood Orchestra Opus, or Audio Imperia Nucleus for a more “modern trailer” sound. Opus is especially nice for a noob due to orchestrator doing arranging assistance>anything in the jazz/swing space, saxophones, brass, etcStraight Ahead Samples. Atomic Big Band is genius as are their solo instruments. These have a feature that uses “stitching” samples based on the sequence of notes you programmed to make the part feel like a real session musician recorded it from sheet music, no keyswitching required to manually change how the instrument is performed>Acoustic guitars and folk instrumentsOrange Tree Samples. Includes a really great strumming pattern tool for holding chords and emulating real guitar performances>acoustic drum kitstoontrack BFD3, or Session Drummer>grand pianoPianoteq. A physically modeled emulation, not sampled. Piano is ridiculously solved by physical modeling and because of how MIDI works it doesn’t need the library to “handle articulations”>synthesizerJust get Serum 2 and any preset pack you can find, there are fucking trillions. Serum is a great workhorse. You want a synthesizer sound of any kind, you’re basically set.
>>131700108It doesn't matter whether making music takes skill or effort or time or talent or whatever. AI slop's gonna catch up regardless and if people want to consume it that's on their retarded asses. They will. Just listen to the radio, it's 95% garbage and has been for a long time. Nothing of value will be lost, pop/consumer music will be overrun with slop and I will still have fun making music, because I can and it's not that hard. Pick up a fucking instrument and play
>>131694482Good post
>>131694293the only point of art is the same as everything else: to make me feel good during its duration. that's it.
>>131700108Zoomer music is worthless slop anyways, it holds no more merit than AI, Drake is pretty much on the same level as the best gen z artists. Honestly, aside from feeling pity for them losing their source of income, there's no reason to listen to gen z music over AI.
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>>131704982>he doesn't know
>>131694252who is this loser? i got banned for saying a ceo should die. is he a ceo
>>131694252AI music was staggeringly good years ago when Suno first released. Obviously not the raw generated track, that’s stupid. You transcribe what it spits out and perform it yourself. From that day on, I have to assume everything was made that way.
>>131705258genuinely can't imagine having such a reductive and hedonistic worldviewI would wish the best for you but I think it'd be wasted
>>131705082>>131705179That was quite the whoosh that's gone over my head. The reason I ask for something free is to see if there's something more basic to learn and experiment before getting into the big boy stuff. I see Ableton starts small and gets to be a big investment. A lot of what I do is Celtic and on the other side Showtune and what I refer to as ukulele cabaret, so Straight Ahead Samples is probably in the right avenue. >>131705258You've never experienced art that's made you feel something longer than the instant? Something that's stuck with you? Made you think? Perhaps made you feel the opposite of good?That's so unfathomably sad.
>>131707700Straight Ahead Samples an Orange Tree would serve you well. Impact Soundworks has a celtic fiddle which sounds quite nice though I can’t speak to its playability (bowed, fretless solo instruments are notoriously hard to translate to the push-button MIDI standard). EastWest Ra is also a decent world/folk instrument library which includes bagpipes as well as some other traditional celtic stuffPersonally I think you’re wasting your time trying to do “simple first”. It’s not an especially daunting software. Ableton Live is like photoshop. It has a lot of tools, but if you want to use it like MSPaint, you totally can. There’s no reason to “start small and learn MSPaint first”, just use the simple set of tools. Put an instrument in a lane, program the notes you want it to play, turn the volume up or down and the pan left or right to put it where you want. You can worry about everything else later. If budget is a concern, pirate all this stuff and worry about legit ownership later on once you’ve determined whether or not you’re having any fun.
>>131694293>I wonder if people like in OP suffer from extreme aphantasiaThe irony
>>131695344>I just don't see what Ai offersA little bit more than "infinite sounds" of a synthesizer>if you're not a label or retailer chain owner why would you care?You would not, people just talk about it for no reason. AI is mostly gonna be applied in chain stores and restaurants which is where there are people interested in that, there's no reason to bother.
>>131708892With how dead music is in the 2020s, if youre not into electropoop and cRap, AI will be welcomed with open arms by many
>>131708892>You would not, people just talk about it for no reasonI've legitimately never seen anyone excited about hearing new and interesting music from Suno. Literally never in my life. Not even in this thread or others like it where people who are purportedly its biggest supporters come to shill for it.It's always, and I do mean always>tick tock, ludditeIt's always the claim that soon, the machine will make it possible for "anyone to make music". The promise seems to be that it will enable you to generate music without having any musical talent, with just the push of a button. It's entirely about the desire to insert yourself into creative spaces and larp as a talented creative person. Nobody wants to listen to what Suno makes, they want YOU to listen to what Suno makes. They want you to think of them as a musician. They want to be recognized as a talented artist and performer because when they were kids they wanted to be rock stars but practicing guitar was too hard or whatever. It is entirely about letting you "be a musician", it's not at all about making good music. Nobody has ever said>Honestly I don't even listen to real musicians anymore, I just generate what I want to hear and listen to that. It's always better than what real musicians are makingThey always say>check out my song
>>131700331>The ones that tour in person will be fine.I think not totally, and not indefinitely.>>131700370Do you mean no one tours or the rest (who doesn't tours) is no one? Because a lot of internet artists who don't even care about touring.
>>131694252Art is for humans by humansFuck off you Indian clanker lover>inb4 some cope I've seen where "people" complain you're a consoomer for being invested in artists you like
>>131708942Internet artists will be the first to go. That said, a lot of artists are driven to do what they do, AI be damned. Those bar bands playing covers every weekend all over the place? They have day jobs and just perform because they want to. As long as the bars want them instead of a bunch of robots they'll have somewhere to play. They've already survived jukeboxes, after all.
>>131694252All of the dogshit mainstream pop artistsPeople who make interesting music will still be creating
>>131704982What do you mean? You think any AI music will be requested by you?
>>131708916I think most people don't even know what Suno is yet, yes. But most of your post was like being in 2007 or so and saying you've never seen anyone excited about using facebook as the explanation for not seeing what social media offers. Or being in 2004 and saying you've never seen anyone excited about reading blogs as the explanation for not seeing what the internet offers.
>>131709245>As long as the bars want them instead of a bunch of robots they'll have somewhere to play.Yeshttps://youtu.be/bAdqazixuRY?t=146&si
>>131694252hopefully all of them
