happy birthday 4chin!

https://youtu.be/prj10ppAMec

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start of Shostakovich: Violin Concerto No. 1 in A Minor, Op. 77
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-uVN-xAw9o&list=OLAK5uy_kzUSW2bYPZTzjTukJYU_ohUKMbAkqJn3A&index=2

start of Hindemith: Violin Concerto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWqx95-uF0s&list=OLAK5uy_kzUSW2bYPZTzjTukJYU_ohUKMbAkqJn3A&index=5

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kzUSW2bYPZTzjTukJYU_ohUKMbAkqJn3A

>Violinist Alexandra Tirsu presents her debut album comprising concertos by Dmitri Shostakovich and Paul Hindemith. Shostakovich's music has resonated with her since childhood, it's atmosphere reflecting the war stories she grew up with. Violin Concerto No. 1 unfolds like a psychological journey-from a shadowy opening to a fierce scherzo, an emotionally charged passacaglia, and a wildly ironic finale. Hindemith's rarely performed Violin Concerto, which Alexandra first explored at the ARD Competition in Munich, reveals a different voice: clear, structured, and quietly expressive. Recorded with the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra under the baton of Vasily Petrenko, this album captures a moment of depth, identity, and emotional connection through two powerful 20th-century works.

I always forget Hindemith has a violin concerto. Can't go wrong with Vasily Petrenko conducting.

>>131710589
i have zero desire to hear anyone else than oistrakh in shostakovich's violin concerto

Im Prater blüh'n wieder die Bäume... ˖ ݁⋆.˚𝄞

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now playing

start of Schumann: Symphony No. 3 in E-Flat Major, Op. 97 "Rhenish"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX1XS8DjR8w&list=OLAK5uy_mK2YKI2Us5WzKlnJAKc3BqFGRYT8CDgOk&index=10

start of Schumann: Symphony No. 4 in D Minor, Op. 120 (Revised Version)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOg6n6rbfYs&list=OLAK5uy_mK2YKI2Us5WzKlnJAKc3BqFGRYT8CDgOk&index=15

Schumann: Manfred, Op. 115: Overture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9Mi8jpWqPk&list=OLAK5uy_mK2YKI2Us5WzKlnJAKc3BqFGRYT8CDgOk&index=18

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mK2YKI2Us5WzKlnJAKc3BqFGRYT8CDgOk

>George Szell was on record as saying that he believed there was no reason the Schumann symphonies shouldn't be "as popular as Tchaikovsky." When they're played like this, it's hard to disagree. Schumann is one of those composers that every conductor does, but that few do really well. Part of the problem stems from the monochrome orchestration. Szell makes minor adjustments for the sake of clarity, but otherwise leaves it up to his superb orchestra to achieve the proper balances. And despite the usual extraordinary discipline that he imposes on his players, he's not afraid to let the music's Romantic temper burst out now and again in a surge of energy. With excellently remastered sound, this set is certainly one for the record books. --David Hurwitz

>>131710458
Final verdict: no part of this recording elicited any kind of strong reaction from me. Don't see myself ever listening to it again.

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i am euphoric

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UJM286c5mQ

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>>131711720
If you wanted quality Brahms released in the past 6 years, you should've tried Blomstedt/Gewandhaus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoWiQS8ybqI&list=OLAK5uy_l2K0gVatgxtYRwh2P7CgWroZ29OW5LfM0&index=1

or Mehta/Munchner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLaFo-dd2mk&list=OLAK5uy_nr9OQhCkGpkH9naVVmp7P3jkCr0RW8nDI&index=1

or Seguin/COE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_ygsxV1fiE&list=OLAK5uy_mFzoDn4uEuRwPZVSsioWqMKxWVrvXwudk&index=1

I wish I could recommend Barenboim's Brahms cycle from 2018 but sadly I cannot. But just in case,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxeqBcE4w6s&list=OLAK5uy_koS0FGWy3u0CEMe1Jfhe-0OVQIN10d6gA&index=1

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is it alright if I ask for recommendations? I want more of that lawrence of arabia, big theatrical oriental ancient mystery music. I have the sound tracks for lawrence, the brendan fraiser mummies, and indiana jones, I'd love more. if it helps I'm a huge NILE and melechesh fan too

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>>131712170
>is it alright if I ask for recommendations?
Sure, what can we help you wit--

>I want more of that lawrence of arabia, big theatrical oriental ancient mystery music. I have the sound tracks for lawrence, the brendan fraiser mummies, and indiana jones, I'd love more. if it helps I'm a huge NILE and melechesh fan too
>mfw

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continuing with Arrau's Beethoven piano sonatas cycle

No. 10 in G, Op. 14 No. 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIhTNpt_Pks&list=OLAK5uy_mgcxeWRckHc6JIZBB5G7J-8AmQClZuUDo&index=34

No. 11 in B flat, Op. 22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-roxyq_Cb0Q&list=OLAK5uy_mgcxeWRckHc6JIZBB5G7J-8AmQClZuUDo&index=37

No. 12 in A flat, Op. 26, "Funeral March"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD7er1ggeII&list=OLAK5uy_mgcxeWRckHc6JIZBB5G7J-8AmQClZuUDo&index=41

No. 13 in E flat, Op. 27 No. 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOw4hbmeVUY&list=OLAK5uy_mgcxeWRckHc6JIZBB5G7J-8AmQClZuUDo&index=45

No. 14 in C-Sharp Minor, Op. 27 No. 2 "Moonlight Sonata"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXSI_H0lhSU&list=OLAK5uy_mgcxeWRckHc6JIZBB5G7J-8AmQClZuUDo&index=48

anyone else love No. 5, "Les collines d'Anacapri" from Debussy's first book of Preludes? It always gets me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2NwSkE6_eA&list=OLAK5uy_m-rXlX5Tls1QduuOD-GtPBegDdEoQQxNo&index=5

and goes without saying No. 8, "La fille aux cheveux de lin" as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYxBH7WGdWY&list=OLAK5uy_m-rXlX5Tls1QduuOD-GtPBegDdEoQQxNo&index=8

>>131712170
oriental... hmm.... how about......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyXLeA7I5Oc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMLGVNnCnVQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8rsOzPzYr8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6v2Zxq9wVM0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA5CImEv7UI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFEBkLThFkM

>Well, John, what did you think of the performance?
>They may try to play like Horowitz, but that was Horo-ble.
>*laughtrack*

hot take: if Stravinsky didn't have such a cool name and persona, he and his music wouldn't be even half as famous and revered

Can I get a hiss recommendation for Schubert's last three piano sonatas? Preferably by the same pianist on a single recording.

how fortunate for the classical community there isn't a choral masterpiece named Mass in A minor.

>>131712532
>*laughtrack*

Is anybody creating new AND beautiful classical music? Almost everything 'modern' out there is just intellectual dick rubbing that sounds shitty, or minimalistic garbage with no substance or effect.

>>131713114
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj9C0DBVr_k

>>131710531
/classical/, when I listen to most composers I could often imagine some changes. Mostly the ending, but sometimes even larger changes. Sure, I'm probably wrong about most of them, but I have, you know, ideas. Opinions. But not with Bach. I cannot imagine anything eclipsing Bach's vision.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzBXZ__LN_M

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>*writes the best piano concerto*
How?

>>131713635
with his brain and hands, I'm assuming

>>131713114
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqtYe_17YYo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG-FPsHLN0w&list=OLAK5uy_loRV2vxQm_h3YzAbZwQyd62yXYPIgrtA4&index=2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngY4Bc3hTKw

Who is the Scriabin of Beethoven?

>>131714348
Schumann, I guess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afxr6pWwejk

>>131714424
Not brahms?

>>131714476
That's the Beethoven of Beethoven

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Debussy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06jk5KSxlpk&list=OLAK5uy_kRK2Fvj4nP5GW-lXrA8aIEl2g5fB8fDi8&index=5

>The work has been described as a tribute to the waltz; the composer George Benjamin, in his analysis of La valse, summarized the ethos of the work: "Whether or not it was intended as a metaphor for the predicament of European civilization in the aftermath of the Great War, its one-movement design plots the birth, decay and destruction of a musical genre: the waltz."[1] But Ravel denied that La valse is a reflection of post-World War I Europe, saying, "While some discover an attempt at parody, indeed caricature, others categorically see a tragic allusion in it—the end of the Second Empire, the situation in Vienna after the war, etc... This dance may seem tragic, like any other emotion... pushed to the extreme. But one should only see in it what the music expresses: an ascending progression of sonority, to which the stage comes along to add light and movement."[2] Ravel also said in 1922, "It doesn't have anything to do with the present situation in Vienna, and it also doesn't have any symbolic meaning in that regard. In the course of La Valse, I did not envisage a dance of death or a struggle between life and death. (The year of the choreographic setting, 1855, repudiates such an assumption.)"[3]

aka
>people overinterpret a purely aesthetic work of art
many such cases

This recording of the piece in solo piano form by Poizat has the power to save the world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45XX9HpSgr0&list=OLAK5uy_mdmHBm9qK-Q0GYORmiuh_MNrP8I12XNnU&index=2

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Who is this song ripping off? It sounds familiar, but I don't listen to a lot of classical
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyfvU356YUo

Need some Ravel help. I'm looking for two albums: one of some piano works, and another with the orchestral versions of those same works. Would love any recommendations.

>>131714760
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgh68Swuak0

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>>131716009
Ravel is tricky because there's dozens and dozens of complete sets of his solo piano music, because there's only like a little bit over two hours of it, and a good amount of the sets are really good. So there's a lot of recommendations I could offer here. That said, I just spend my evening listening to pic, so that's what I'll recommend now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqxhIl06SOs&list=OLAK5uy_mdmHBm9qK-Q0GYORmiuh_MNrP8I12XNnU&index=10

You'll notice the set is 6 hours 40 minutes. It's like the most comprehensive sets out there lol. But if you don't want all the extra stuff, you can pretty much just stick to the first three/four discs and that's what most sets are, + the piano concertos. The later discs contain the chamber works and other stuff.

As for orchestral, you can't go wrong with Martinon if you want the true French sound, or Abbado if you want something a bit more smoothed-out and Western.

Martinon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WtxtSl06VM&list=OLAK5uy_lfupJM3r0IU9KeD10-9ETwnTMzll8sPC4&index=1

Abbado
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ximfuozVJeE&list=OLAK5uy_kQW4i7Ep1OuD2M8H6YTgHKECbzhJz3M4w&index=1

And lastly, if you want to go old school AND convenient, this popular Samson Francois/Andre Cluytens set contains both the solo piano and orchestral works under one set, and it's very good. It's from around the mid-20th century so won't have a modern sound but hey, maybe you prefer it this way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghgedNZoFUo&list=OLAK5uy_nsMEnZTCJgn5hc1r0vOQ8YLkXKQMxR_sQ&index=1

If you don't like Poizat's or Francois' Ravel, like I said, there's many more sets I could recommend, so let me know. Hope you enjoy!

>>131716702
Thanks anon, this is very helpful. The Francois/Cluytens album is exactly what I'm looking for.

I hate Ravel.

>>131716009
>>131716991
>>131717593
many such cases

>>131717593
Took me a bit for it to click for me. Now I listen to a different recording of his piano works while I go to sleep every night.

wait, wait, wait -- Pagliacci isn't by Puccini or Verdi? shiii

>Sir András Schiff:
"If I compare today's pianists with Cortot, Josef Hofmann, Ignaz Friedman or Schnabel, they are far, far away. Although all of these people, perhaps with the exception of Josef Hofmann, would not win a competition today. They would not even let Alfred Cortot in the first round, but that says more about competitions than about Cortot."

>>131718162
Yeah but you think Schiff is shit so this doesn't really help your case, does it? :p

In seriousness, I'd say of course these boomers are gonna respect the older generation. I'm sure Woody Allen thinks fuckin' DW Griffith and Charlie Chaplin are the greatest directors ever. Ya feel?

>>131718219
Everyone with a modicum of taste respects the old generation, doesn't have anything to do with age.

>>131718162
Correct.
>>131718219
I can agree with his opinion without admiring his skills, can't I?

In seriousness, I'd say of course these boomers are gonna respect the older generation. I'm sure Reich thinks fuckin' Johann Sebastian Bach is one of the greatest composers ever. Ya feel?

>>131718332
>In seriousness, I'd say of course these boomers are gonna respect the older generation. I'm sure Reich thinks fuckin' Johann Sebastian Bach is one of the greatest composers ever. Ya feel?
A better comparison would be Bach thinking his influences stand up to Beethoven, Brahms, and, gasp, Chopin.

>>131718162
In any case no one ever said those old guys sucked, but instead 1) the audio quality of their recordings do, and 2) the newer generations are just as good, only their recordings don't have the same faults, so (conclusion) why listen to the old guys?

>>131718342
Bach never heard either.

>>131718353
>the newer generations are just as good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osdiIVaqg_M
You should listen to this.

>>131718353
>the newer generations are just as good,
Tell me you're deaf without telling me you're deaf.

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god oyou guys make me wanna scream sometimes

/classical/ anons be like
>so, honey, did you like the concert?
>not really. musicians haven't known how to play the piano for a hundred years now.

>>131718455
I mean, I'm autistic but I'm not so autistic as to sperg my preferences after a concert like that. There's a different sort of mindset that I have for public gatherings like that, and I'm not going to go into my performance preferences with anyone except fellow autists.

I've been to plenty of concerts that I enjoy in the moment, but they rarely compare to my favorites. And when I'm seriously listening to a top tier piece, I want to hear the best.

>>131717593
Claude sama...

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Shostakovich Op. 87 morning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5WrafIri2E&list=OLAK5uy_mCP-fUVWJn2BlUU6bWZsHX4dSYt8r3uAY&index=23

Look, I fully respect if you prefer the old historical recordings but still listen to new recordings (eg "Levit's Beethoven cycle is a 9/10, Schanbel's is a 10/10"), but some of you guys act like all current musicians are just wasting their time along with our time, and that kinda position I not only cannot respect, but it just seems rude.

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Another WTC has hit.
Pretty good so far.

>>131718808
Neat, I'll peep later today, thanks. He also has a complete Beethoven piano sonatas cycle that's unfortunately not available on YouTube Music. Someday I'll get to hear it.

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Faure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhH_3kZ9NXw&list=OLAK5uy_kNHcj2biHZuroSsFW3oXrcL-XKDHEw8Bg&index=1

oh Arrau and your 24 minute Debussy Suite bergamasque (6:48 Clair de lune!)

>>131718808
>>131718848
This gook good? He's touring my city and can see him play Book 1 live.

>>131718913
Definitely go!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF3idu30JFc&list=OLAK5uy_nC7i_ohXzw8u_CZCa8G0Afz49PiYDIlG0&index=15

>>131718917
Ok.

>>131712494
Schnabel
>>131718162
Schiff is a pleb
>>131718754
>some of you guys act like all current musicians are just wasting their time along with our time
they're not wasting anyone's time. They're first class musicians and I can't wait to attend a bunch of concerts this season.

With that said, I'm sure there are plenty of great modern performances of Falstaff and Otello, but I derive special value in the fact someone like Toscanini had a working relationship with Verdi, worked under his supervision, and sought his advice when performing his works.

>>131713635
By copying Schumann and taking away the neuroticism, of course.

bros Gerubach is dead and I just found out
my world is shaking

>>131718808
Yuchan Lim's teacher btw
>>131718988
>I'm sure there are plenty of great modern performances of Falstaff and Otello
Unfortunately there isn't. I don't remember the last time I heard an Iago or Otello that could actually sing the role.

VENI CREATOR SPIRITUS

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Saint-Saëns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZdMdeyM8Cs&list=OLAK5uy_nYv7-mQwzsGq0vDBBgvSK3UqA01u-N3Xw&index=2

>>131718085
Just like there are German symphonists other than Beethoven and Brahms, there are Italian operati other than Verdi and Puccini. Sounds ridiculous, but it's true!

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Liszt: Symphony in C Major

>Les Preludes
>Orpheus
>Hunnenslacht
>Festklange

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hiss chads, we're eating good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=minNo38cYSg

Need some essential hiss-core recordings

>>131720264
Everything on this channel: https://www.youtube.com/@OldSchoolOpera

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>>131719841
Hm... yeah, these were kinda second-rate. Oh well, the third is supposed to be the good one, right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxQHnt7jIlg&list=OLAK5uy_lYlnWcrySbUyJxfx9bjJ-MqzLDuXMmffA&index=1

>>131720264
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTfIDtIUriU&list=OLAK5uy_mkPInFndwUvMWu-BNkE2ESaq2ThDobyh4&index=2

The Bartok/Szigeti recital is an absolute classic.

Will the mega links in the rentry ever be fixed?

>>131720573
No.

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New recording of Schoenberg's piano music out now. Get it while it's hot.

>>131720757
>m*dern pianist
No thanks. I'll stick with the greats.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWe5q6HFNx4&list=OLAK5uy_k9p7P7N1tgiV_N6xjO8X36YKuM7PaOyek&index=2

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>>131720757
>Schoenberg
>new recording

>>131720140
Hmm, I dig it

>>131720757
I do love me some Aimard. Thanks for the shout.

>>131720264
>Beethoven Late String Quartets - Busch Quartet
>Brahms German Requiem - Lehmann
>Beethoven 9 Symphonies - Toscanini (1939)
>Beethoven Symphony 9 - Toscanini (Buenos Aires, 1941)
>Mahler Das Lied von der Erde - Klemperer (Vienna)
>Beethoven Missa Solemnis - Klemperer (Vienna, 1951)
>Wagner Tristan und Isolde - Beecham (1937)
>Verdi Requiem - Toscanini (BBC, 1938)
>Bruckner Symphony 8 - Furtwangler (1944)
>Erich Kleiber Mozart

>>131720921
for Erich Kleiber, i really like the 1949-1955 Decca Recordings release because it has Beethoven's Symphonies, Mozart's 39th & 40th, Schubert's 9th, and a personal favorite of mine, Carl Maria von Weber's 1st Symphony

>>131720398
The Herbs Roma was pretty good, but I am unconvinced by the Organ. Felt like it's trying too hard. Further investigation is needed.

>>131720264
Cortot - full recordings
Koczalski - full recordings
Rosenthal - full recordings
Josef Hofmann - full recordings
Rachmaninov - full recordings

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>674 tabs
>200 bookmarks alone just on one device
>All that, probably 80% from /classical/
>I still haven't begun going through them

Kill me.

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Currently listening

How goes your day? Any interesting recent finds?

>>131721193
This looks like an industrial metal album cover, lol

Brutal:
World-renowned classical violinist Hilary Hahn has been navigating a highly publicised battle with a double pinched nerve injury. Her experience provides an insightful real-world example of how severe, multi-point nerve compression (Double Crush Syndrome) develops, recurs, and requires multi-tiered medical intervention.
Her medical journey reveals specific details about the injury and her subsequent treatment:
1. The Root Cause: Severe Spinal Disc Herniation
Initially, Hahn stepped away from performing in July 2024, citing a "double pinched nerve" that required immediate rest. It was later revealed that the root cause was a cervical spinal disc herniation (a slipped disc in her neck).
The physical mechanics of playing the violin—holding the instrument between the left shoulder and jaw while maintaining micro-precision under immense physical strain—places heavy, repetitive stress on the cervical spine and the nerve pathways traveling down the left arm. Her herniated disc caused major nerve space compression, leading to significant nerve stress and muscle atrophy (muscle wasting) in her arm.
2. The Cycle of Recurrence
Hahn’s injury demonstrates how stubborn nerve injuries can be when treated conservatively:
• The First Attempt (Non-Surgical): She took a seven-month performance hiatus. Through intensive physical therapy and rest, she managed to temporarily rehabilitate the nerve and made a triumphant return to the stage in February 2025.
• The Relapse: By August 2025, the same spinal disc re-herniated. This second herniation compressed nearly all her remaining nerve space, causing a recurrence of her symptoms and forcing her to cancel the remainder of her 2025 concerts.

3. The Ultimate Solution: Artificial Disc Replacement Surgery
Realising that non-surgical methods were not a sustainable fix for the level of compression she faced, Hahn pursued aggressive surgical intervention. In early 2026, she underwent Artificial Disc Replacement surgery on her neck.
A specialized surgeon (who, in a fitting twist, used to play the violin himself) removed the damaged spinal disc and replaced it with an artificial one. This successfully restored the alignment of her neck, fully relieved the mechanical compression on the nerves, and made her completely pain-free.
Current Status
Hahn recently shared that she is on a strong path to recovery. Because severe nerve compression leaves a lasting impact on motor control, she has been focused on retraining her strength and micro-coordination while letting the nerves fully heal. She has already announced her imminent return to the concert stage.

>another thread of solo piano retardation and orchestral faggotry
VGH, it gets so lonely being a chamber music chad...

>>131720264
Everyone should probably have Gieseking's Debussy and Ravel ,Kempff's mono Beethoven piano sonatas, and Rubinstein's Chopin anything.

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bros drank a bit too much of this bottle of red. essential works for this feel. currently finishing up kleiber's beethoven 7

>>131722908
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCTy8cAkD9w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQxf94hrpyY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IVT-3MM3qw

>>131721193
This Barbirolli Bruckner 8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J95yDONY6LM&list=OLAK5uy_n1qR8KfpIpoP2BgPv1v9QL1pnvUaJ1adc&index=1

You ever come across a recording a piece you're familiar with and for some reason it just sounds weird, to the point you wonder "is this some kind of revised edition?" it's happening to me rn. if I heard this Chopin 3 on the radio I wouldn't recognize it as Chopin 3 if I didn't hear the opening notes lol, just sounds so strange compared to what I'm used to

what kind of SICK pianist records all of Beethoven's variations but not a single sonata, what is going on

I will not stop until I've heard every set of Debussy's Preludes in existence.

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>>131719265
based

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>>131724268
Even more based, fuck romanticels

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Based

you may not believe in Bach, but Bach believes in you.

>John, tell 'em what you said to those musician chicks last night.
>Alright, alright. I said, "how about we go back to my place and you Ravel Debussy?"
>*laughtrack*

>>131724760
that joke is almost as bad as your life.

>>131724775
Hence the laugh track.

Simon Rattle conducts all-Stravinsky program: Symphony of Psalms, Rite of Spring, Funeral Song, Zvezdoliki. Today's performance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv8QwRAM7ik

>tfw not enough time to listen to the complete piano works of Beethoven, Brahms, Mozart, Bach, Debussy, Schumann, Prokofiev, Scriabin, Shostakovich, Ravel, Satie, Scarlatti, Chopin, and Liszt in a single day
it's not fair

>>131724885
I like Rattle's Stravinsky. Thanks.

>Britten developed a particular animosity towards Brahms, whose piano music he had once held in great esteem; in 1952 he confided that he played through all Brahms's music from time to time, "to see if I am right about him; I usually find that I underestimated last time how bad it was!"

oof

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Brahms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFGkg-IeOX0&list=OLAK5uy_lijEEEReyrEng22LoUfanmNcMpi8liKUU&index=13

okay yeah maybe Arrau's Debussy is too slow

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>Wagner would have been impossible without Beethoven, and Beethoven would have been impossible without Mozart. But if you think of a line, then you must go Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, Weber, Wagner... Schumann, also, even Liszt. It is all very connected. The only composer historically speaking who is unnecessary is Brahms. I’m not in any way meaning that the music is any less beautiful or less important, but historically speaking, if Brahms had not existed, music today would be exactly the same. Maybe Schoenberg was the only one who was influenced in any way by Brahms, but otherwise absolutely not at all historically speaking.

>>131726001
>Maybe Schoenberg was the only one who was influenced in any way by Brahms
The entire SVS was. There's a reason conductors often told their players in the 1950s who were still confused by those works to "play it like Brahms." And Dvorak. And Zemlinsky, Reger, Dohnányi, and even some early Busoni were all influenced by Brahms too.

Barenboim is an idiot. No surprise, though, given how shit his performances are.

>>131726001
>>131726019
Elgar seems Brahmsian to me too. And Barenboin's recorded his symphonies and Sea Pictures twice each!

>>131726070
Yes, Elgar is very Brahmsian. But also not very good, his symphonic works are mostly pretty bleh

>>131726078
You and me. Guns at noon.

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interested in a chamber Bruckner 7 by any chance?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ66eeLyCjg&list=OLAK5uy_mr34qYH9PBwuRuuItD9TgllyLJlSrKMeQ&index=1

>>131726001
I hate this faggot so goddamn much

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i love this fucker like you wouldn't believe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjMQaRAJUdU&list=OLAK5uy_mRLcaZ8NG02qttJ1mKkD7iC7zOXbsho08&index=95

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>conquers Beethoven (symphonies and piano [4x!!] and chamber and piano concertos and violin concerto)
>conquers Brahms (symphonies and piano concertos and violin sonatas and violin concerto)
>conquers Schumann 3x
>conquers Tchaikovsky (violin concerto and piano concerto)
>conquers Sibelius (violin concerto)
>conquers Bruckner 3x
>conquers Wagner
>conquers Verdi's Requiem 3x
>conquers Elgar 2x
>conquers Mozart (piano and piano concertos and violin sonatas)
>conquers Bach's WTC
>conquers Chopin's Nocturnes
>plus a bunch of other random shit
let me guess... you need more??

>>131726191
i guess he conquered them in the sense that he killed those pieces with his garbage conducting/playing

>>131725682
>>131726001
I sympathise with the Brahms hate. I am always disappointed by his music despite admiring it. And as much as I enjoy Dvorak I have to admit that neither he nor any of the other composers strongly influenced by Brahms are essential to my life.

>>131726001
Genuine nonsense. Aside from the obvious SVS influence others mention, the symphony was a dormant form after the death of Mendelssohn and Schumann until Brahms picked it up again and provided a model for the late Romantic symphony. Much of the symphonic output in second half of the 19th century owes something to Brahms, hence the so-called Brahms fog of the period. People just want a linear narrative of history to be true and will say anything to justify it.

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Franck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8_8oeU39u8&list=OLAK5uy_kSLOxZJsTDtadZm3LWyX8LZYJkjA9PdWo&index=8

>>131726815
>the symphony was a dormant form after the death of Mendelssohn and Schumann until Brahms picked it up again
Retard. Bruckner, Tchaikovsky and Dvorak had all composed multiple symphonies before Brahms' first. Brahms merely belonged to the group of Late Romantic composers that revitalised the symphony, he did not originate it, nor did he dominate successive symphonic writing.

>>131720951
>a personal favorite of mine, Carl Maria von Weber's 1st Symphony
That's great. I didn't even know Weber wrote symphonies. I am more and more convinced that Weber has to be the most underrated composer.

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Schubert.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6zQx-I8EYg&list=OLAK5uy_mtOjVjsOaVg1bOZjElxJBardsGYZFOGWM

This iiiis the syyymphoniiieee that Schuuuhubeeehert never fiiiiniiiished...

>>131727082
>I am more and more convinced that Weber has to be the most underrated composer.
At least listen to the symphony first

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Haven't listened to a Beethoven cycle in a while so let's fix it on this fine German Unity Day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWmDUMQzyMo

>>131726995
Bruckner's symphonies were not successful until late in his life. Dvorak likewise. Tchaikovsky was not a German composer and was never the most significant driver for the revival of the symphony in Western Europe 1875-1900, which was Brahms. Tchaikovsky wasn't even that popular in Western Europe until the 1880s or so. You are conflating the mere presence of composers who wrote symphonies with their cultural influence and pre-eminence. The Brahms fog was real and derided by Wagernites.

>>131726815
>Beethoven’s colossal final symphony can be compared to a huge meteor, which hurtled to earth and left a vast crater on impact. From that crater emerged composers of symphonies such as Spohr, Kalliwoda, Lachner, Raff, Reinecke, Bruch, Volkmann, Gernsheim, Dietrich, Draeseke and Grimm. These relatively unknown musicians have often been dismissed hitherto as epigones of Beethoven, Mendelssohn and Schumann, but investigation of their symphonies reveals that they too had their own distinctive brand of originality.
You need to educate yourself.

I miss him bros.
https://youtu.be/FCa2XuclmFI

>>131720264
Get the Marcelle Meyer box set. She has reference recordings of Chabrier, Ravel, Debussy, F. Couperin, Bach (apparently the only person who knew how to play the Inventions and Sinfonias), Rameau, and Scarlatti.
Other than that, Sofronitsky's Scriabin and Furtwängler's Tristan und Isolde.
>>131722867
>Everyone should probably have Gieseking's Debussy and Ravel
His Mozart too.

>>131725682
Britten was a kiddie fiddler, so I'd take everything he said with a grain of salt.

>>131727897
We are talking about creative achievement, not just influence. Besides, you say Bruckner and Dvorak only became successful later in life, and that Tchaikovsky only became successful in the 1880s. Well, 'later in life' for Bruckner and Dvorak means the 1880s as well. That's only four years after the premiere of Brahms' first symphony. It seems to me every symphonist that emerged after Brahms was just as open to an array of symphonic influences contemporary to Brahms, and Brahms by no means the most influential. I'm not denying Brahms' gigantic influence, but he never dominated the culture of the symphony. At the very least you have to admit that his influence was significantly limited by the partisan politics of the day. I can't think of any important symphonist to emerge after Brahms who can be considered a devoted member of the conservative camp.

>>131728161
Spohr, Lachner, Reinecke, and Kalliwoda are symphonists writing before the late 19th century period in question. Bruch was popular as a composer of oratorios, not as a symphonist. Draeseke was a Wagnerite working during the same period as Brahms but was never popular or influential, which goes for most of these guys. Again, we are talking about influence and Barenboim's historical line, not the mere presence of composers who wrote symphonies.
>>131728305
I don't need to prove that a devoted conservative symphonist was popular. That wasn't the contention. The claim of Barenboim's was that there was a linear relationship between Mozart up to Wagner while Brahms is 'unnecessary'. It is absurd and ahistorical. Brahmsian symphonism and its period of pre-eminence came *after* Wagner, firstly. The whole idea is an attempt to posit a linear and progressive concept of musical history in which Brahms is an outlier. The reality, although simplified, is closer to Wagner-Brahms-SVS.

What do you guys think of Mendelssohn's 2nd symphony? I've been listening to it for the past 2 months and it does remind me of an unknown sequel to Beethoven's 9th symphony. But I never thought that's what he was going for.
https://youtu.be/IXooZzrVr54

>>131728390
I love it dearly along with Mendelssohn other major vocal works. The one on Paavo Jarvi's excellent cycle is a great recent recording.

Barenboim is right.

>>131728390
The instrumental movements are kinda whatever, but the oratorio part is great.

>>131728424
As a prodigy, he was great, but it seemed he didn't progress out of trying to be epic to impress the people older than him, but ultimately I still like it.

>>131728434
Wherever did you get such a nonsensical opinion? Surely not from listening to his music...?

>>131727871
The first four of these have not been too impressive.

>>131728352
>The claim of Barenboim's
Which has nothing to do with what I was saying. You made the statement that the symphony was a dormant form until Brahms provided a new model for it, and that's what I was criticising. Of course Barenboim's statement is retarded, but symphonies are not where Brahms exerted his greatest influence.

>>131728615
Because it was culturally dormant. Symphonies were not revived on a truly cultural scale in Western Europe before the 1870s, and Brahms was the most important composer in catalysing this. I admit the phrasing was ambiguous and could imply that no one was writing symphonies but it was in response to a specific claim that Brahms was somehow removed from the chain of historical influence. One true exception mentioned earlier to the rule of symphonies being in a fallow period culturally is Raff, who was popular but shallow in influence, whereas Brahmsian influence on symphonism was everywhere in the late 19th and early 20th century. People have mentioned obvious examples like Dvorak and Elgar, but there are numerous others of varying levels of success or pre-eminence; three more off the top of my head are Stenhammar, Parry, Herzogenberg (his are so imitative of Brahms they made me laugh). I did not say that Brahms was the only symphonic voice of the period, but it is obvious that the Brahmsian model for the Late Romantic symphony was a real phenomenon and he has a pre-eminent position in the revival of the form.

>>131728740
I really don't see Brahms' preeminence. AFAIK he exerted practically no influence on the symphony writing of Mahler and Sibelius, and was he really the most important influence on the symphony writing of Stenhammer? All in all I think you've provided a pretty weak argument for Brahms standing above his contemporaries as a symphony writer or for providing its most prominent model at that point in time. I agree the form suffered a slump in the 1850s and 60s, but when we look back at its period of revival does Brahms and his influence appear preeminent? I do not think so.

>>131728852
Stenhammar's second symphony is very Brahmsian, yes, although with contemporary quirks/characteristics like its modal harmony/Nordic folk elements, so Brahmsian in a similar way as Dvorak. Sibelius is not really a meaningful composer to bring up here as he stands practically outside the Austro-German tradition. Neither Brahms nor Wagner really matter to him in his most important works, and the influence he had subsequently was itself more Nordic and Anglospheric than in the German line. Mahler is obviously more indebted to Bruckner and Wagner than Brahms but again, I never made the claim that Brahms was the only symphonic voice that mattered. My two points, again, were simply that Brahms was the composer most responsible for bringing the symphony back into the cultural limelight and that writing in a Brahmsian style (which I guess I could simplify as Late Romantic harmony + classical forms) was common enough for people to talk about the Brahms fog. You haven't made an argument here, just stated your feelings about my own.

Brahms had a strong influence on Mahler since Mahler consciously rejected him.

Liszt had a strong influence on Brahms since Brahms consciously rejected him.

>>131728275
Meyer's Rameau is indeed GOAT

>>131728925
>My two points, again, were simply that Brahms was the composer most responsible for bringing the symphony back into the cultural limelight
That's not what you said. There was no mention of 'most responsible', you said outright the symphony was dormant until Brahms provided a new model for it. That's simply incorrect. If you want to better articulate yourself and claim that Brahms has no preeminence in the creative revival of the symphony, but that he had some short-lived preeminence in success, then I guess I could agree with you, but I don't think it's an observation of particular note considering the already acknowledged fact that most of the symphonic music indebted to Brahms was not of much value, and that most of the actually great symphonies from that era were not written with an especial influence from Brahms. It is not insignificant to this discussion that the symphonists most remembered from then are Bruckner, Dvorak, Tchaikovsky, Mahler and Sibelius. The talk of 'Brahms fog' had to do with Brahms overall influence rather than in symphonic writing in particular. You simplify the 'Brahmsian style' as Late Romantic harmony and classical forms, but that applies just as well to Bruckner. Surely that's not your criteria for claiming Stenhammer's symphony to be 'very Brahmsian'? Because I really don't understand placing Brahms' influence there before Bruckner and Sibelius.

>>131728968
Kek

It's so frustrating that no one plays Op. 48 No.1 like I imagine it in my mind.

>>131729094
Bruckner's use of classical forms was quixotic in a way that you cannot say of Brahms. This is why I simplified with ambivalence. Bruckner's interpretation of the classical structures as a vehicle within which to organise and rearrange monumental 'blocks' of musical ideas was really unique to him. Brahms followed a playbook much more tied to (the 19th century's understanding of) classical forms. Like Brahms' symphonies, Stenhammar's 2nd is very classically shaped and densely contrapuntal. The much more minimalist and homophonic Sibelius is not even really an influence. He perhaps only sounds incidentally similar for the Nordic themes and the modal harmony, but these are not unique to Sibelius. The classical emphasis on balance, the use or revival of traditional forms, and dense texture is overall much more Brahmsian than Brucknerian.

With that out of the way, you are once again trying to tie me to irrelevant claims I didn't make. I acknowledged that 'dormant' was ambiguous and clarified that I meant culturally dormant, not literally that no one was writing symphonies. Aside from this: yes, Brahms provided a new Late Romantic model for symphonism that was popular and widely copied. This is just a statement of fact which you have not disputed meaningfully; you are now shifting the goalposts to talk about who the biggest names are rather than the composer's historical pre-eminence. Obviously most music too defined by its indebtedness to a single school is not valued, including symphonists with a Wagnerian style like the earlier mentioned Draeseke, but did you want examples of the Brahms fog or not? Only a few composers even have epigones as unmistakable as Herzogenberg, and major symphonists are usually emancipated from the school they most closely resemble. Bruckner and Mahler are not Wagner. Dvorak and Elgar are not Brahms. But the claim that Brahms was the most pre-eminent voice in reviving the cultural salience of the symphony is simply true.

>>131729159
We know Jan.

>>131727536
Obviously I listened to the symphony before making that post, lol.

>>131727871
Yeah, this is definitely not the greatest cycle ever.

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Got to hear the Symphony of Psalms yesterday -- what a work! Wish I could hear it again the next day... Also wish I could pirate the Shostakovich 2piano reduction, to have in my collection. I've found only 2 recordings and neither are on RuTracker.

>>131729383
>to have in my collection
Digital hoarding is still hoarding. You should seek help.

>>131729383
>the Shostakovich 2piano reduction,
Of what? Which Shostakovich work? Also, have you looked on SoulSeek?
>>131729399
Give him a break. Hoarding is a natural behavior among the classical aficionados.

>>131727082
Couldn’t agree more. His music is special to me and it’s a shame he’s not performed more. Weber also lead a fascinating life and if you haven’t read any of his biographies i highly recommend doing so.
>>131727378
Patrician taste
>>131729159
It’s time to start learning, anon

>>131729486
>His music is special to me and it’s a shame he’s not performed more.
Somehow being performed on a regular basis by virtually all of the great conductors has failed to translate into popularity among the average classical fan. At least guitarists and clarinetists appreciate him.

>if you haven’t read any of his biographies i highly recommend doing so.
Any recommendations? I can read German.

Schubert's early symphonies suck.

>>131729862
Schuberts early anything suck. Same with pretty much every composer. Schubert ain't special.

Mozart's early symphonies suck.

Post early pieces which are actually top tier in their genre.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=g7X0VhW11Fk

>>131729869
This. Beethoven's early works suck and I'm tired of pretending they don't.

>>131729884
All of the SVS were incredibly talented from the beginning. It's actually impressive how developed their language was from a young age.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=mTNED4IHYxc
https://youtube.com/watch?v=aqE5By_69OY
https://youtube.com/watch?v=tHcx8a9-V0Y
I'm also very fond of Mendelssohn's first symphony.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=PrelACyxsoc

>>131729901
Beethoven's 'early works' are from when he was like 28 years old. They're different.

>>131729747
Oh yes his guitar works are great!

2 biography recs: Carl Maria von Weber by John Warrack and if you want some reading in German, The Life of an Artist written by his son Max Maria von Weber.

>>131729901
I listen to Beethoven's early violin sonatas, cello sonatas, piano sonatas, and piano trios. The only one I don't is his first two symphonies and the fourth.

>>131730034
>The only one I don't is his first two symphonies and the fourth.
Come on anon, you're doing yourself a disservice. They were considered classics in Beethoven's own lifetime, you know, when people actually cared about his music and not the cliched image of the composer of the Ode to Joy.

>>131730092
>you know, when people actually cared about his music and not the cliched image of the composer of the Ode to Joy.
Not sure you can pull that card when I said I enjoy almost all his other early music.

>>131730034
His early sonatas are shit and you shouldn't be trusted with anything Beethoven because you think Op. 49 sonatas are among "le 32 masterpieces" when, in fact, Beethoven wrote them as exercises and never intended to publish them at all. You forced yourself to like low-tier shit because it's part of your beloved sets, not because of their musical merit.

Everything Beethoven ever wrote is a masterpiece, and Scriabin sucks

>>131730280
Maybe if you heard more than just Schnabel perform them, you'd come to love them too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3C5tmeorTU&list=OLAK5uy_l0G4ysfxJaw5g1r-J3khIyjGjikSN1VTM&index=17

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAzx5Y8jIxk&list=OLAK5uy_l0G4ysfxJaw5g1r-J3khIyjGjikSN1VTM&index=20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0EYIuJ_1sI&list=OLAK5uy_l0G4ysfxJaw5g1r-J3khIyjGjikSN1VTM&index=23

You really don't think these sound good?

And Other Hilarious Jokes You Can Tell Yourself

>>131730570
I like some early Beethoven sonatas, some of them I even love. But they're no "masterpieces". Above average is not a masterpiece, and Op. 49 are below average.

>>131730586
I genuinely believe they're masterpieces. They only seem lacking in comparison to Beethoven's later transcendent stuff, but when you compare it to, say, Schumann's piano sonatas or Mozart's or Brahms' or Haydn's, yeah, I really believe they're incredible.

>>131730593
Clementi, Haydn, let alone Mozart and fucking Brahms and SCHUMANN have better sonatas than the early Beethoven ones, no, LATE Beethoven ones too, but they rarely get mentioned in that context and yet some juvenile early Beethoven is supposedly "masterpiece". Curious!
I guess everything is. And by that I mean, nothing is.

>>131730611
Yeah I think those early Beethoven piano sonatas are as good as the best piano sonatas by those other composers I named. Again, I really think the issue is because they get graded on a steeper curve because of the later sonatas -- if you remove them from that context, they'd get the credit they deserve. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

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now playing

start of Chopin: Four Scherzi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgoW2-zAt1g&list=OLAK5uy_mf3aL3m0EI2AT_kN-tV4VuCbbImIkR0Gk&index=2

start of Chopin: Four Impromptus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As-DBQEr1Uo&list=OLAK5uy_mf3aL3m0EI2AT_kN-tV4VuCbbImIkR0Gk&index=5

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mf3aL3m0EI2AT_kN-tV4VuCbbImIkR0Gk

>Yundi Li is being groomed for superstardom. He's got the looks, youth, and keyboard athleticism to fill that role, but on the basis of this all-Chopin disc (and his previous Chopin and Liszt recitals), he still lacks the interpretive maturity that translates into staying power. His B minor Scherzo, for example, comes off as excessively sectional, and its central section lacks poetry. Other works here fare better, but his attention appears focused on pianistic fluency and dazzling finger work, often at the expense of a full measure of emotional communication. The Impromptus, lovely as they are in places, tend to blandness. Li compensates for his lack of depth and spontaneity with a beautiful tone, remarkably even runs, and precise articulation at high speeds, attributes which should be sufficient for many. If you're looking for the rhetorical, probing grandeur of an Arrau or the emotional directness of a Rubinstein you'll look elsewhere. But if you're in tune with Pollini's detached, objective Chopin and enjoy hearing a skilled pianist perform impressive technical feats on the instrument, you'll want this disc. --Dan Davis

>>131730627
>I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
I won't agree to disagree. There is no "context" to remove them from, you are doing exactly what I pointed out, thinking in "sets" and "playlists" and then projecting that to the classical audience as a whole. Lol.

>>131730774
>you are doing exactly what I pointed out, thinking in "sets" and "playlists" and then projecting that to the classical audience as a whole. Lol.
Are you denying the greatness of Beethoven's later piano sonatas affects how people view his earlier ones? It's just how things work.

I'm loving the Minsoo Sohn WTC book 1 release that just came out. Highly recommended!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWD0DhEZwJk&list=OLAK5uy_nC7i_ohXzw8u_CZCa8G0Afz49PiYDIlG0&index=30

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Beethoven.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uimDCXbZgGk&list=PLFBuWkJHZycacMy41MD_mkjmfP4xfhw4M&index=40

>>131720140
id swap the first and last. les preludes works better as a finale

>>131730792
All music affects how people view all other music.

>>131731271
Of course but especially within a single composer. "Oh these early works are mediocre because his later ones are so much better" happens pretty often. If Beethoven only wrote 20 piano sonatas, or 8, the early ones would be viewed differently by a lot of people. I'm not saying no one is allowed to dislike them, only that they often get unfairly tossed aside as early juvenilia when in fact they actually stand on their own.

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>me during brahms piano quintet 3rd movement

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now playing, continuing with Gielen's Mahler cycle

start of Mahler: Symphony No. 3 in D Minor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KkOu82W1E8&list=OLAK5uy_l-ImdQldSwQ-5e_0RKZZ-tdw5AKjZhMUM&index=2

start of Schubert: Rosamunde, D. 797
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGldr2Xajoo&list=OLAK5uy_l-ImdQldSwQ-5e_0RKZZ-tdw5AKjZhMUM&index=8

start of Webern: 6 Pieces for Orchestra, Op. 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnS3Ph30m28&list=OLAK5uy_l-ImdQldSwQ-5e_0RKZZ-tdw5AKjZhMUM&index=8

youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l-ImdQldSwQ-5e_0RKZZ-tdw5AKjZhMUM&si=G3S5F5sgFrhqRXwQ

Best compilation of Wagner overtures?

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>>131731650
This is the one I always recommend
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtGfwdIb11Y&list=OLAK5uy_lBjfGRzkp2Shl_x8R38xCfzjXAgnl9N90&index=1

Everything Scriabin ever wrote is a masterpiece, and Beethoven sucks

I can't believe people dislike the ending of Beethoven's ninth

I can't believe people like the ending of Beethoven's ninth

>>131731773
Same.

>>131731765
It would be perfect if it ended before "Seid umschlungen, Millionen"

>>131729935
Berg's piano sonata is so good.

>>131731765
It’s the ultimate pleb filter.

>>131731855
>universally beloved by plebs
>ultimate pleb filter

>>131731983
The crap tripfags come up with is hilarious. Nothing but straight garbage from this faggot.

the worst of early beethoven are his first two piano concertos.

Early Beethoven is better than that took himself too seriously Romantislop final era.

i enjoy attending my local community concerts like 90% as much as i enjoy seeing the cleveland orchestra.

>>131729440
>Of what? Which Shostakovich work?
His 2piano reduction of the Symphony of Psalms
>Also, have you looked on SoulSeek?
I am unfamiliar with it. Looking at it now and not seeing anything. If you could find it, I'd be grateful

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>>131710531
let me guess you "need" more.

the string trios are interesting early beethoven.

>>131731983
Yes. It is a contrarianism test. Contrarians are the biggest plebs

Reminder early Beethoven was so good he made Haydn seethe.

>>131731983
>>131732011
filtered

Just listened to Pulcinella - and what was that? Some parts were straight Baroque. Some - Classical, others were clearly Modern. Absolutely crazy amount of material in 24 minutes. Seriously, give it a listen if you haven't. Here's a good one by Frankfurt Radio Symphony.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glbnrYF_0ck

>>131732425
Arrau is very, very bad. Totally vertical. Chopin would cringe.

>>131733584
What's verticals precious?

>>131732252
based local supporter

>>131732425
Need? No. That's the desert island set. But other Nocturne sets are nice to have.

>>131733610
He means he'd rather enjoy Chopin horizontal, if you know what I mean ;)

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Listen to Vagn Holmboe's thirteen symphonies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wihSoO2Yqew&list=OLAK5uy_nb7D6O5krn0BPEn2sah_lWSxF5wDBUyGw&index=1

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Meowtoho! Meowtoho!

>>131734789
>Fag Homo
lel

>>131734836
Okay that got a chuckle out of me, but seriously, listen!

>>131734789
Is this who you're shilling and working through now? I have no complaints but once you're done with Holmboe I suggest you move onto Antonio Soler next.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4HqnyJ6Vpc

>>131734943
I've posted Holmboe before. I just felt in the mood for his symphonies today.

>link
Eh, my solo piano backlog is already ginormous. He got any orchestral work?

>>131734842
I will, thanks for the rec!

>>131734836
Vagina Hole also works.

>>131734968
besides a series of six quintets I don't think Soler wrote any chamber and orchestral pieces. He was primarily a composer of keyboard sonatas.

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>>131718162
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>>131731642
If anyone is interested in a new Mahler 3 to try, this one is now one of my new favorites

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When you get tired of listening to piano music for babies you should check this out.

>>131735476
>military guy in futurist style on cover
looks fascist

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Mendelssohn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo_1CdiehDI

>>131735476
will do. Hamelin is an absolute beast.

Can I get some recs for spanish guitar/flamenco? songs or albums or whatever

damn samson francois' ravel is fire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghgedNZoFUo&list=OLAK5uy_nsMEnZTCJgn5hc1r0vOQ8YLkXKQMxR_sQ&index=1

>>131737654
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UheTC4nzb_0

>>131737700
Wow thanks, Im going to throw this on and read Don Quixote

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Bruckner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTr6RQfFmQs&list=OLAK5uy_nobOjGC47yP3tAF2kGI8aZ9RsVWDbQg6U&index=1

>Kent Nagano has famously performed Anton Bruckner's unfinished Symphony No. 9 by pairing or integrating it with Arnold Schoenberg’s expressionist monodrama Erwartung.

...

now that's a fuckin' idea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6PKIraXpIk

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I've been listening to too many heavy-duty germanic symphonies lately. Time for a light diversion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjgXbr4CBc8&list=OLAK5uy_lMUfX5s6T0MA0CyLvcJhFr8_yhEMDofBw&index=2

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Myaskovsky

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tZkaJ-GlKU&list=OLAK5uy_mdbLWIWciiVyNf51vC3jK2d8xOG-wLX7Q&index=1

Maybe it's because I've been thoroughly Mahlerized and Brucknerized, but whenever I come across an unfamiliar, new symphony, each movement that's 10+min plus in runtime gives me a twinge of excitement and anticipation and every movement below that leaves me slightly disappointed, with the disappointment growing the lower it gets (those symphonies that are four movements of 6 minutes each? bleh). Silly, I know, but it is what it is.

now playing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z4DmtYHaKU

>>131738938
complete Hovhaness symphony cycle on DG when???

Was Stravinsky writing serialism seen as a humiliation? He's literally capitulating to the might of Schoenberg's invention.

>>131739032
yes. He literally waited until Schoenberg died before writing serialist music.

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Goldberg with no repeats?

Aria from Goldberg Variations or Lohengrin overture? Which one is more profoundly beautiful?

>>131738960
not any time soon I'm afraid. Apparently thirty of his symphonies remain unrecorded.

>>131739993
the Aria.
Sorry to anything but its the most beautiful melody in all of music.

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What do you guys think of Aryan Music? It is like classical music but without the Jewish aesthetic cancer.

The guys on /pol/ are working on a fairly substantial Aryan Music archive, it's contents have a much more organic European feel compared to a lot of the toxic Jew-tinged stuff in this thread:
https://pastebin.com/f7QbzpVV

Btw, we just had an Aryan Art thread yesterday:
>>>/pol/543695891

Some interesting stuff in there, like this arrangement of BWV 582 for two accordions:

Johann Sebastian Bach (Eisenach, Duchy of Saxe-Eisenach, Holy Roman Empire 1685-1750 Leipzig, Electorate of Saxony, Holy Roman Empire)
Arranged for two Accordions by Henri Zibo (Keila, Harju County, Republic of Estonia 1996-) and Mikk Langeproon (Republic of Estonia 1995-)
(Henri Zibo, Mikk Langeproon)
Passacaglia and Fugue in C Minor, BWV 582, 1st Movement, Passacaglia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx5DISgZBPc
Passacaglia and Fugue in C Minor, BWV 582, 2nd Movement, Fugue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBG5Qm8_YIE

Would anyone be interested in having a separate /Aryan Classical/ thread which would be limited to only European performers and composers?

>>131741086
not sure what this has to do with /classical/ maybe try >>>/pol/ instead?

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>>131741504
The reason classical music died in 1945 was because Jewish intelligence agents of the OSI spent years after the war identifying and proscribing Aryan musicians and composers, that's why the rotting remnant of the Aryan classical music tradition is now dominated by no-talent Jews and their chink H1b cheap labor. Undoing this century of cultural vandalism is the first step toward restoring healthy Aryan music.

>>131741576
not sure what this has to do with /classical/ maybe try >>>/pol/ instead?

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>>131741601
I don't see any rule here indicating that we can't discuss the racial politics of music, please correct me if I am mistaken

>>131741774
Okay, let's discuss. What exactly about a piece of music makes it "feel" "organic European"?

>>131741774
thank you wignat sister

good god Yundi Li sucks, pure virtuoso slop

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>>131741790
The formal music of a race is merely a structured elaboration of the folk music ways of a race. That is why placing something like Schoenberg or any other Jew adjacent to the Aryan musical tradition creates the incongruous cultural desolation that we have today. It would be nice if we had a separate thread that decolonized all of the Jews and Chinks from Aryan music, it would have a completely different character to this thread.

Music is fundamentally a form of communication, it is the transmission and reception of complex emotional states encoded in acoustic harmonies, there is absolutely no reason to assume that the underlying biological mechanisms of this process are human universals.

A few Jews attempted to emulate Aryan music throughout the 19th century as a means of ingratiation and social climbing, but they ceased this charade after they won the racial struggle in 1945 and Aryan music died as a living tradition with the fall of Berlin. At first Jews tried to force Jewish atonal music on Europeans, after that didn't take, they completely replaced all popular music with variants of Congolese drum rhythm music.

>>131742141
That's a lot of words to not answer the question.

>>131742141
thank you wignat sister

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>>131742208
Art is a mechanism to invoke and transmit emotions, my thesis is that Aryan music transmits and invokes an emotional palette with a depth, complexity and range which is distinct from the music of other races. This is not a question which can be answered with a pithy soundbite, what we actually need to do is separate /classical/ into /Aryan Classical/ and /Jewish Classical/, and then comprehensively weigh the emotional palette of both.

>>131742375
So if I gave you some unmarked sheet music or an unmarked recording of some piece you don't recognize, how would you determine whether it's aryan or jewish?

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>>131742422
That's an intellectual exercise I can leave to you, I'm not interested in grading how well various categories of parasitic racial aliens can emulate Aryan music. I'm interested in reviving the extinct musical tradition of the Aryan race, the first step of a renaissance is building a foundation through cataloging and classification, and the most salient category of separation in all Western arts over the last two centuries is the Jew and the Aryan. These two categories of artistic expression were once in struggle, but the Jewish form of artistic expression has reigned uncontested for almost a century, culminating in our current grotesque cultural dark age.

>>131742789
they got nice tiddies for a statue

>>131742141
>>131742375
me when I am 100 years behind in my basic anthropology studies

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>>131743167
Please elaborate in detail. As far as I am aware modern genetics validates almost all of the anthropological conclusions of the pre-1945 era

>>131743228
Why does this repulsive Jewish homosexual get spammed non-stop in every classical music space? Is there some government department dedicated to this?

In this general, Dave Hurwitz is a hero.

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>>131743259

>>131743280
He is the definition of Jewish cultural astroturf, nobody wants to hear some flaming zionist queen talk about European music but I get him in my youtube recommendations non-stop

>>131743259
he has some very autistic fans

Your music is every bit as childish and commercial and slop as any pop or rock but for aristos and clerics instead of proleslaves. Death to music.

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Went to a performance of Schubert String Quartet No.14 "Death and the Maiden" today. Quite nice. Performance was in a local museum and 80% of seats (basically everyone except for performance level second row) are first row.

Here's a good recording by Kopatchinskaja with The Saint Paul Chamber Orchestra.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPlWstUaHAE&list=OLAK5uy_myHojCagDibSQlki3LHmo2m6iWba1fIRk&index=3

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Reminder D.960 is the greatest Sonata.

>>131743280
>praises schoenberg while dumping on every single white 12 tone composer (particularly Charles Wuorinen)

He is completely biased

>>131743979
Excellent. The related image caught my attention quickly

>>131744901
Very related

>>131743979
ah but what recording?

>>131743979
As always with Schubert it's good melodies with a lesser than stellar display of form.

>>131745117
Uchida, Schiff.

Between the Capet, Busch and Italiano, which has the best performance of Beethoven's 7th quartet?

>>131745790
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDA6JomKnGQ&list=OLAK5uy_lqfvMPM7jU5GM3elYP9VsjWsRvnhLrPrE&index=25

>>131745790
hungarian quartet (stereo)

>>131742375
>>131742789
>>131743246
>>131743259
>>131743295
thank you wignat schizo sister

the problem with mixed program recordings is some of them have titled like "Chopin Recital" or "Liszt in Concert" which is fine, but some just have titles like "Brahms" and "Schumann" and how the fuck you ever supposed to come across that in a search lol. the only way is to get recommended the recording directly in a review or by perusing the pianist's discography

>>131710978
hillary hahn

>>131743259
he's to /classical/ what ken rockwell is to /p/

>Chopin was “the greatest master of counterpoint since Mozart”—so claimed the late pianist and author Charles Rosen in a 1987 review

true?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tS6C_oL0cg&list=OLAK5uy_lGw6MX02VlxKeNOsZra7vvHDWyUfj-gSs&index=1

>>131746165
no.

>>131746165
Charles Rosen is a turkey. Listen to Chopin's fugue

>>131746165
Is it true to some extent. But people often confuse contrapuntal skill with the strict contrapuntal forms, in which Chopin wasn't good or interested.

Chopin writes lines, not harmonies (with exceptions like some mazurkas and scherzos), and from those lines emerge harmonies e.g. prelude in E minor. It's not a character unique to Chopin, but Chopin took it to an extreme. Beethoven does the opposite, he writes chords with gigantic leaps in inner and lower voices, except in adagios and of course fugal/canonic episodes where his voice leading is almost as strict as Bach's. In Beethoven's music, it is a requirement, because he meticulously plans the entire harmonic structure from beginning to end, whilst also interweaving his motivic cells into the structure, which allows for less freedom voice-leading-wise.

It's a complicated matter because there is no definitive answer, the line between counterpoint and harmony is thin. But Chopin evidently pushed in the direction of free counterpoint to the extremes whereas someone like Beethoven alternated between strict counterpoint and harmony.