Chad Schumann editionhttps://youtu.be/-G1S2lX1EBsThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>131747796
>>131780019>be me>find out about an upcoming concert in the city that will be playing Beethoven's 5th.>"oh, good. I know this piece quite well.">proceed to buy a ticket for a seat at the back of the gallery where everyone can hear me.>*now at the concert*>deliberately have a massive coughing fit during all of the best parts.>leave five minutes early so the performers and other audience members can't lynch me.>profit?
>>131780409I know this is a joke but I sneezed really loud at the coda of the slow movement of Ravel's Piano Concerto. It was kind of hilarious how perfectly timed it was. I would have been clear had I managed to hold it in 10 more seconds.
>>131778453>t.Scriabinfag
>tranny comes on stage to play second piece>leave immediately
>>131780490speaking of that I'm not particularly fond of arts institutions tolerating or trying to appease trannies because respectively it results in lowered standards and you can never appease them.
>>131780661Yeah its just math or conditional probability. What are the chances a tranny will be exceptional as a composer or instrumentalist. They are a fraction of a percent of the world's population. I wish those people had thrown out Florence Price's compositions because its just more garbage I have to listen to on CBC now.
Schubert 5 goat
>>131780728Not even the best Schubert symphony. Even if you love it its just poor man's Mozart.
Best work by Shostakovich?
Alexander Scriabin - The Complete Piano Works
>>131781028https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-axuluSEDhM
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCQICRRsnlw
>>131780019I’m new to piano, am I gonna make it?https://voca.ro/1iiDWcvm7Mhy
>>131781283fuck off and kill yourself.
>>131780748Well ya The Great, is the best.
>>131780019
Alexander Scriabin - The Complete Sex Recordings
>>131781400perhaps Wagner should have tried shutting the fuck up now and then.
>>131781589indeed.
>>131781589What's with the Russian font?
still obsessed with Liszt's Piano Sonata in B minorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKb-bSN7VfQ&list=OLAK5uy_kgCs4OlIGlBWnWXfAajA0d6NgwmZDnulU&index=1
George Telemann - The Complete Data Center
Rank these five BalladesLiszthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8Dmb8n8vFA&list=OLAK5uy_lXdz9VFqJX1KuQNYoIvtpeTbNCEKbXRxM&index=2Faurehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZlMrZZHZQo&list=OLAK5uy_kJj-xBcXIvcUvFFKkL_mQOXPeoSv1sh94&index=39Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M46hpynyos&list=OLAK5uy_mvbiZrAoIrJJSa38MASUPJnCs1DO8naf4&index=2Debussyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0OYVR79tUU&list=OLAK5uy_lsutu188roJQiMuO9VCfAp1RNObBRdXuA&index=16Brahmshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehSnGyFvRJs&list=OLAK5uy_mn2aabpuDCGo8kGcUATZWXzc81BxxGh7c&index=8
>>131782731Brahms > Liszt > Chopin > Fauré > Debussy
>>1317827311. Chopin2. Brahms3. Debussy4. Liszt5. Faure
>>131782745>>131782756that gives an average of: Brahms > Chopin > Liszt > Debussy > Faure
>>131782782Well, there you have it folks!
>>131782782Check out the big brain on Brad
Horowitz playing Chopin's Barcarolle (forgive the 10 seconds of silence at the start)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ3g7Ls4PPA&list=OLAK5uy_mvbiZrAoIrJJSa38MASUPJnCs1DO8naf4&index=3
>>131782813do they speak English in Wat?
Rank these 9th Symphonies>Bruckner>Mahler>Beethoven>Schubert>Dvorak
>>131782731What's nice about this is it seems composers took the Ballade form seriously and always tried to put their best foot forward. Even that Debussy one which you really only see on complete sets and never programmed on its own always surprises me with how good it is.
>>131782840Dvorak at the top, Schubert at the bottom. Not sure how to rank the middle.
>>1317828401. Beethoven (durr)2. Dvorak3. Mahler4. Schubert5. Bruckner (it wasn't even finished)
>>131782872Safest take possible. My as well have got clod to rank them
>Worth repeating: there is a lot more genuine Bruckner in the Samale et al reconstruction of Bruckner’s Ninth than there is genuine Mozart in the customarily played version of Mozart’s Requiem.huh, consider me surprised
>>131782884claude doesn't feel pain. I do.
>>131782840Mahler > Beethoven > Bruckner > Schubert > Dvorak
>>131782872>>131783033calculated average:Beethoven > Mahler > Dvorak > Schubert or Bruckner >
>>131782840Dvorak > Beethoven > Mahler > SchubertHave to go with Dvorak because I've been listening to the 3rd/4th movements at the gym a lot lately. Also Mahler 9's 1st and 4th movements are perfect in my eyes but the midsection is weak.
>mfw midsection of Mahler's 9thhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k1w6WCx8-s&list=OLAK5uy_mnl-ogY82-PGNgXJpVsfT25JXif6fuAZM&index=2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzCBjs5xfdU&list=OLAK5uy_mnl-ogY82-PGNgXJpVsfT25JXif6fuAZM&index=3
revised average:Beethoven > Mahler > Dvorak > Schubert > Bruckner
>>131782731Chopin > Faure > Liszt > Brahms > DebussyChopin's ballades can't be seriously compared with others. Unless you're a pleb and unironically prefer Brahms' chimney piano music like someone here.
>>131783201Alright fine I revise my statement, they're weaker* than the (perfect) 1st and 4th movements.
Mahler sucks cock.
>>131782756>>131783254To be fair, the linked Chopin is his first Ballade, whereas for Brahms it's his fourth. It's not all four versus all four, it's the weakest (or second weakest) Chopin versus the best Brahms. Makes it much more of a fair fight. If you still prefer the Chopin, I respect that, but it's closer than you think.
Reminder: if you aren't trying a new recording at least every other time you listen to a particular piece, you're doing yourself and the classical world a disservice.
Scriabinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL-sd3wQl7c
>>131782731Chopin > Brahms > Fauré > Liszt > Debussy
>>131783520Tried it. It sucks. Back to hiss.
>>131783345you're thinking of tchaikovsky
>>131783757hate to embarrass you in front of your girl buthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XVaC4zadLI&list=OLAK5uy_nPjU25aKCQfaWJ5ujeE43SwBHBUEeU7k0&index=1
Peak Dunning-Kruger: The Thread
>>131783770Freddy Kruger?
>>131783504No it's not. Brahms composed and published all four together you dumbass. Furthermore, you are comparing a masterpiece for piano, and perhaps the greatest masterpiece (along with other 3), with just a piece of music that is barely coherent on the instrument which it's supposedly written for.
>>131783796Did you even try the linked Gilels performance? And it's only comparing one ballade to another one, not all four, else it wouldn't be fair for Faure, Debussy, and Liszt.
Wait, wait, so if a piano quartet is only four instruments, right, and a recording uses one established pianist + an established ensemble (eg Richter + Busch Quartet or Zimerman + Takakcs), that means one member of the actual ensemble as we know it has to miss out from the performance and recording? Can't believe I never realized this before.
>>131783827it was nothing personal, just business.
>>131784014He has to sit in the corner like a cuck while his other ensemble musicians record a piece with a famous pianist.
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-VF_w4kEm4
New Lucas Debargue release performing Gershwin with Elim Chan conductinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmbQXmuSk0g&list=OLAK5uy_kGGDt9OcPWeynu_Ddiiij5uVOalBOZd9o&index=2>In this Gershwin-centered program, pianist Lucas Debargue plays a 2.87-meter piano by Stephen Paulello. It is a wonderful instrument with a deep, resonant bass and a bell-like clarity in the upper registers, well suited to this repertoire. The album treats us to one of the best performances of the Concerto in F in recent memory. Debargue brings such infectious dynamism to the piece that the Orchestre de Paris and conductor Elim Chan are happily swept away by his energy. Across all the pieces on this album, Debargue makes the music sound entirely improvised.>The concerto is so successful that one might hope the album would include Rhapsody in Blue in its full orchestral form. Instead, we are given the solo piano version, but it is played so convincingly that one soon forgets about the lack of an orchestra.>The second disc is dedicated to Debargue’s own compositions: the 12 Virtuosic Etudes on Gershwin’s Songs (2025). These etudes display remarkable piano technique and an intimate familiarity with all the instrument’s intricacies. The final etude is a brilliant set of 20 variations on “Summertime.” This is a delightful, excellently engineered album.
>>131781589ass
AI prompt: create me a recording of a string quartet composed by Chopin and performed by the Alban Berg Quartet; add a light amount of hiss
Looking at pianists whose discography I might want to listen through, and I'm checking out Radu Lupu's right now, and wow, his discography is much more limited than I would have expected. I suppose I shouldn't be too surprised, he came from an era where you could still become famous primarily from live performances. Still though, only three Beethoven piano sonatas, Pathetique, Moonlight, and Waldstein? Lame. And then he pretty much only has Brahms, Schubert, and Schumann for solo pieces. Pretty disappointing.That said, his Schubert and Brahms are unique and magnificent, so I'm not hating, just thought there'd be more to explore with him.
>>131784749I saw Elim Chan a while back she's great
>>131785039Ah yeah? I'll have to check out some of her other stuff then. I think the only other recording I've heard by her is her wonderful set of Chopin's two piano concertos with Benjamin Grosvenor.
>>131785043Well I don't know what recordings she has but live was amazing.
>>131785091What did you see her perform?
now playingstart of Schubert: Symphony No. 8 in B Minor, D. 759 "Unfinished"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEZVurwGi8o&list=OLAK5uy_kWqSirzw_3w_5z8mX10NuQql5ij8U1Z6o&index=28start of Schubert: Symphony No. 9 in C Major, D. 944 "The Great"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPJ0co08DJk&list=OLAK5uy_kWqSirzw_3w_5z8mX10NuQql5ij8U1Z6o&index=29https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kWqSirzw_3w_5z8mX10NuQql5ij8U1Z6o
>>131785013>noooooo why didn't he record everything!!!You are why most modern pianists are boring btw
>>131785013>he only recorded the three best Beethoven sonatas? lame!
Das Leben, doch nicht den Ring (Krauss 1953)!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H97Apiog99EThis guy is pretty good, maybe he should try singing Wagner, he could make it big!
Simply cannot decide which is better faure or wagner.
>>131785870Wagner. No matter the question the answer will always be Wagner.
>>131785393but he didn't record 29 31 and 32
now playingstart of Schubert: String quartet No. 13 in A Minor, D. 804 "Rosamunde":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6qFbdYTCcM&list=OLAK5uy_ktaLt44sFlLkZqa0EQ4W2ddSj5exISDKs&index=10start of Schubert: String Quartet No. 14 in D Minor, D. 810 "Death and the Maiden"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jgm_4KkUl7E&list=OLAK5uy_ktaLt44sFlLkZqa0EQ4W2ddSj5exISDKs&index=44start of Schubert: String Quartet No. 15 in G Major, D. 887https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqImCbczftc&list=OLAK5uy_ktaLt44sFlLkZqa0EQ4W2ddSj5exISDKs&index=52https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ktaLt44sFlLkZqa0EQ4W2ddSj5exISDKs>As a young chorister, the fourteen-year-old Franz Schubert penned his first string quartets, a genre that he would continue to explore until the last years of his life. Fifteen quartets, of remarkable originality and bewitching lyricism, entered into history, bearing at once the legacy of the Classical Era and a vision of the future. These works are marked by the tides of life - disillusion, illness, but also the flourishing of a magisterial mind. "The communion with a confidential soul, the discovery of indescribable colors, the admiration of a remarkable message whose ideas never cease to evolve and inspire... This is part of a distinctive journey that will leave an everlasting mark upon us. The recording of the Octet two years ago was just the initial building block of a project dear to us, one that we now see fulfilled through this immersion dedicated to Schubert."
>>131785106Shostakovich 9.
Beethoven 9 morninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPn2RFxcGYY&list=OLAK5uy_ng1IAPnn33XaIeFF65SKQhxbwtG0FdquI&index=1
Forgive if this is a silly question: as most of us know, a common complaint about Schumann's symphonies is they have poor orchestration. How can one tell? I understand if something sounds off, sure, but how can one tell the problem lies with orchestration instead of any of the more common issues? Is it really as simple as,>This would sound better if this part was played by Y instrument instead of X?
>>131786977Schumann's orchestration is perfectly fine. People who say otherwise are just prejudiced against him.
>>131787004*teleports behind you*https://files.catbox.moe/glint0.flacIn seriousness, I never had an issue with his orchestration either.
>>131786977yeh, fewer instruments playing at the same time
>>131787028Ooooh, okay, I guess I can see how one can feel that way, or at least, how it'd be easier to determine that's the source of one's issues with a piece.
Brahms' string quartets are good
Schumann 4 and then I'm out the door for the day.>>131787210Yeah, I listened to them the other day for the first time in over a year and was surprised by how much I enjoyed them. I mean I've always liked them, but generally followed the usual convention that they're not up to the usual Brahms or Great Composer chamber standard, but damn, they really hit the spot. I'm ready to defend them to my dying breath now.
>>131786977when it was first premiered, Schumann's orchestral music was generally considered needlessly busy: too many instruments playing at once when less would suffice. It was considered "tasteless", so to speak, but he was somewhat of a pioneer in that regard; many later composers expanded on this wall of sound, famously adding a Wagnerian influence to create the late Romantic sound we know. Whether you like this or prefer the older classical/early Romantic sound is up to you.
>>131787261Makes sense, thanks. And yeah, I love that lush, wall-of-sound romanticism.
>tfw no classical music gf who yells 'allegro! allegro!' during sexwhy live?
>>131787329So that I may one day find her.
>>131786977>Schumann was bad at orchestrationHe wasn’t, that’s just a meme
>>131786977Considering that he was the greatest symphonist next to Mahler, I'd say his orchestration is irrelevant.
>>131788456Are you saying that orchestration does not matter when one writes a symphony?
>>131787210No. They are really not. They are nothing special. After a while nearly all Quartets start sounding identical. Only Shostakovich and Beethoven were succesful in producing a unique and signature sound for their quartets. Conincidentally they both suffered from deep existential depression. I am convinced you have to be in a continous state of pain, if you want to produce great string quartets.>Brahms was le depressed too!Getting rejected by a broad and crying is not what you call depression. That is what you call being a melodramatic drama queen. There is a stage "worse" which only a certain few go through.
Will you idiots ever shut up about romantic refuse?
if you add the images of Wagner he posts to a filter the general actually becomes usable.
>>131788484>Janacek, Bartok, Debussy, Ravel, and Zemlinsky don't have a unique sound to their quartetLel
>>131788676>replying to general mascots
>black pearl comes on >*skip*
Listening to like 15 plus Beach Boys song in a row only for Youtube to be like "yeah enough of that time for Glen Gould playing Chopin"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAHE8PTR8tEyeah thanks
What are some good /classical/ kinos? I made it about 20 minutes into picrel before I had to turn it off and I still want to watch something.
>>131788484I actually agree with this. String quartet is such a shitty genre. I do love Schubert's more than Beethoven's and Shostakovich's though, Mendelssohn's (especially the F minor) and Janacek's, some of Mozart's and Haydn's are also ok admittedly, but the world could do without them.
>>131788961Was it that bad? Wanted to watch this myself someday
>>131788961
>>131788961La pianiste (2001)
Wagner sucks cock.
>>131788961Eroica and Amadeus
If it ain't hissin', then I ain't spinnin'.
Simply cannot decide which is worse faure or wagner.
starting to get cold here. give me some autumnal shit
>>131789731Vivaldi - four seasons
>>131788796this is surprisingly not bad
>>131788215>>131788456didn't Mahler say he wishes his re-orchestrations of Schumann is one of the things he's most remembered for? I used to have the quote. Point is, he must feel pretty strongly about the importance of re-orchestrating them.
>>131788563Sometimes I feel bad for you early music anons, surrounded by endless romanticism and modernism fans.
The best players of every instrument existed before recording technology, so there's no reason to listen to any recorded classical music
>>131780019Why do I keep seeing "Chad Schumann" edition. Make another edition.
>>131790892Better than every thread being dedicated to Wagner
>>131789731https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9vhrt0MAFE
confession: I'm still undecided on whether Faure's two piano quartets and two piano quintets are actually good or not.
>>131790666>>131787013Mahler’s re-orchestrations are fine if you want Schumann re imagined for a modern orchestra. Schumann’s orchestration isn’t the issue, it’s the size of the orchestras playing the music that often is.There are various chamber orchestra ensembles who have recorded Schumann’s symphonies that sound fantastic.
I like Chopin myself.Not me. That's probably why I don't play Chopin.Never?No, never.If I die, will you play Chopin in remembrance of me?I'll think about it.
So I've heard anons here say Dimitri Mitropoulos is a genius before. What are his essential recordings?
Building a Collection #116: Brahms' Symphony no. 3https://classicalguy.substack.com/p/building-a-collection-116-brahms
>Beethovian backDamn guess we truly never leave. Celebes Tallis CLT and Ame when
>>131791345I like his recording of Berlioz's Requiem
>>131786481Okay, listened to Death and the Maiden, nice. Thank you.
>>131791388>anon names one of three Mitropoulous recordings I've heardth-thanks...I tease. Yeah that's a solid one.
It's really quite perverse that I can listen to the ending of Gotterdammerung without having to listen to the rest of the Ring cycle first. Recorded music and its consequences etc.
>>131791421Just imagine you snuck into the opera house on the final day.
>>131789731Brahms' violin, cello, and clarinet sonatas
>>131789731Elgar symphony 1 & 2Elgar violin concertoElgar cello concertoElgar violin sonataELGAR
imagine a world where Dvorak's Piano Concerto and Mendelssohn's two piano concertos are masterpieces. oh well, can't win 'em all.
Can someone explain what makes Brahms so superior to more obscure composers like Niels Gade or Joachim Raff? I think Brahms is the ultimate meme. War of rhe romantics? more like Wagner summarily mogging the ever loving piss out of Brahms with his prescient genius.
>>131791479dude this piece is a miraclehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnjv7W1YNa4
The Wagner/Brahms debate is pretty much just a question of whether you like opera or not.
>>131791496Props for not linking Hungarian Dance No. 5.
>>131791508You aren't a classical fan if you don't like opera. Its a pillar of the repertoire
opera is just highbrow musical theatre. might as well just see cats or les miserables.
>>131791565Except those are in a pop idiom. You'd be right to say this about some musicals like Westside story which have the sophistication of lower tier operas. Likewise some operas are just pretentious musicals like Nixon in China. At any rate exceptions establish rules, they don't refute them.
>>131791565>opera is just highbrow musical theatre. might as well just see [examples of lowbrow musical theater]
>>131791706Yeah this lol
>>131791706Les Miserables is high brow musical theatre
>>131791508I don't like opera but Brahms is boring as fuck
>>131791779No. Its literally Disney tunes
Brahms was a good writer for voice too. As much as I have a slight distaste for the fact he was adamant that he was a heckin atheist to try to detract from the depth of the German Requiem or the Four Serious Songs, it's a bit of a shame that's where he stopped
>>131791840He literally said atheists could not produce good artAnd he was right
>>131791900>*blocks your path*
>>131791840That's not where he stopped. He wrotes tons of songs and choral music.
>>131791345He was good at anything SVS. So if you like Webern/Berg/Schoenberg he's a good pick for them. Great at Mendelssohn too. Amongst his few stereo recordings, there's also a Tchaikovsky 6th that's notable and it's very different from the way most modern conductors play it these days.Probably most famous are his recordings as an opera conductor. He has a very famous Don Giovanni and Elektra.
>>131792427How does one even discern if a Schoenberg Berg or Webern piece sounds better in one recording vs another? What metrics would they actually check the recordings against with the music on the page being so abstruse and incoherent?
Schoenberg sucks cock.
>>131792446The same as any other piece of music? I mean, Berg is the easiest since nothing about his style is abstruse or incoherent. The most difficult are some later Webern pieces maybe. Not a lot of room for interpretation there. With Schoenberg it's not difficult either, but it depends on the piece. Really, the bar is quite low. Just don't play them like Boulez did.
>>131790892I have a good idea for the next edition but it's going to be a surprise.
>>131792456in this general Schoenberg is a hero and one of the greatest music theorists to have ever lived.
>>131792893Yeah, I really wish I hadn't done that
>>131792893He is? O-oh. Okay...
>>131792446The SVS is advanced stuff rarely appreciated by anyone except for classically trained professionals.
>>131792928Yes its a fart huffing convention. reminds me of that guy on American Greed who was selling wine out of his bathtub with forged labels convincing rich people it was actually quality vino.
>>131792946it's more comparable to a lecture on the 4th dimension delivered in Chinese. >>131792951I know where you live. I will cut you into small pieces which I will dissolve in a barrel of hydrochloric acid.
>>131792984If you prefer, we can go that routehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcxW6nrWwtc
Official /classical/ cocksucker list:>Copland>Tchaikovsky>Bernstein>BarberAny I'm missing?
>>131793021Copland is great. He actually used 12 tone in a coherent wayhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nKa_9CMg4OU
>>131793044but he wasn't French.
>>131793081>not French>writes thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k4HuYW81pQ
>>131793152yes. french "people" are too retarded to understand 4-part harmony.
>>131793174What? Most of that is like 2 part harmony
>>131793191>he doesn't know.
>>131793195Rameau? Fundamental bass? Help me out here anon
>>131791900He didn't say anything like that. And it's the opposite actually.
>>131793220I refuse to. this is the punishment you deserve for calling Wagner (pbuh) and Schoenberg cocksuckers.
>>131793248I didn't say that thobeit
faure is the biggest cocksucker next to wagner
This general is approaching a new all-time low.
>>131793291Why? We finally got rid of the sister spammer. Things will never get worse than that.
>>131793304don't say that word. that is the word that cannot be mentioned unless one wishes to summon "you know who" at his own peril and the peril of everyone else.
>>131793315so true, sister.
>>131793304And you all have me to thank for it, through many battles I defeated "it" and saved /classical/ for all eternity *tips fedora*
>>131792446Honestly it's pretty obvious in Berg how to perform him. You gotta play him like Wagner and Mahler because that's who he's mostly audibly similar to. For Schoenberg and Webern, you gotta play them like Brahms.
>>131793412How would you play Webern even remotely like Brahms. At least Schoeberg is "brahms on the wrong notes". Webern is industrial noise
I genuinely used to masturbate when I listened to Beethoven
>>131793462sir, this is a wendy's restaurant.
>>131793478When Deez nutz lmao gottem
what's the loudest page turn you've ever heard?
Berg sucks cock.
SVS sucks cock
What we think of Górecki? His symphony 3 is a top piece of minimalism
>>131793445With portamento, rubato, a heavy, legato laden, singing line, etc. Basically the way Brahms would have been played in his day and what the historical artists we know played for Brahms played like
Ugh, the problem with failing asleep listening to a big box set is you fall asleep and then when you wake up partway through hours later it's still playing and it's like "wtf turn that shit down" so you lean over to your wireless mouse on your bed and turn that shit down but turns out that mere act is enough to wake your mind up and now you're up. fuck me. fuckin' Ashkenazy, fuckin' Rachmaninoff
>>131793722In that case, what even is the difference between Brahms and Wagner?
>>131793809The first writes music. The second sucks cock.
>>131785913Simply cannot decide.
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNp6aAhwCTw
>>131793722How do you play a discontinuous 12-tone row with a "singing line"?
>>131794063You know about half of Webern's work isn't 12 tone, right?
Chopin morninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wi_dTKn6YY&list=OLAK5uy_nTlo9I3khKWLvKVhA79_Ph45jkMU3bwTw&index=1
>>131794241It's a horrendous fucking cover.
>>131794255classy music for classy menThat's funny though, I was mindlessly staring at the cover while listening to the recording and had the same thought.
>>131794115So that half you're not supposed to play like Brahms?
Might have to do a week of just 20th century music, I need a lil' palette cleansinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1na7hPlL6k&list=OLAK5uy_nt_VH36JiASFzoPDsYlJKccOQaR8ITikg&index=4I don't care that most of these orchestral modernist works sound the same (slowly flex the modernist chord, horns in the back, repeat, then maybe a face part later that's just the modernist chord note do do do do do do do then back to slowly flexing it again and fin) because I think the sound is glorious.
>>131794241*tips fedora*M'zurka
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-F5c0fSGqc
la cringe in c minor op. 12
>>131794663Kek, leftists are so retarded.
>>131794674You didn't need to add cringe on top of a cringe
>>131794682Found one.
>>131794419toplol
>>131794241I hate this faggots Chopin.
>>131791565>>131791610>>131791706>>131791745>>131791779>>131791839What do you guys think of a JCS? Finest blend of rock and opera imo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TWha-WpCZQ&list=PLP1lC0FnuI0KKBeLI1SfdI7DHpSrCLJsU
>>131795160cut out your intestines and tie them around your scrawny fucking neck before I get there and stab your eye sockets with a fork.
>>131795160Blasphemous crap
Hmm...... yeah no, I still don't feel any spirituality or whatever from Beethoven's late sonatas.
>>131796697They're not good. Schubert won.
Mendelssohn.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oailECKyjGc&list=OLAK5uy_kgFY9GxQhgWej-BRf4TrB6QzJhZ80lShw&index=2
>>131780019Here's a stream of my consciousness as I listen to Shostakovich - String Quartet No. 8 for the first time. I think I might have heard it before, but without paying it much attention.> Decide to give Shostakovich - String Quartet No. 8 a listen> That sounds melodic and pleasant.> Don't understand what everyone talks about> ???> Got to second movement> Ok, mad circus is in townBravo Shosti! You know usually I think of most classical music as slow and low BUT with some loud and fast parts. But Shosti, him I always perceive as fast and loud with just some slow in-betweens to let you catch you breath. Okay, now third movement. Now that's time for terror and suffering. There is a decent melodic stretch, but it is of course interrupted by triple opening chord a few times. Ok, slow part continues as if previous triple opening chord did not happen. But I spend the entire time basically waiting for it to return. Now a second slow theme around 1556. We're transitioning to a time-based logging:1630 Ends on a same chord, predictable.1655 Chord returns in a different octave now?1827 Wow this is a really nice slow melody. 2000 Still going strong.2033 I need to give first movement a repeat listen. Certainly don't remember it as much as later ones.2122 Well damn. Wasn't that ominous.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V82MJjtUayI&list=RDV82MJjtUayIAsking for favorite recording of this, and also 15th - going to listen to it live next week!
>>131796923Neat, I wish we had more posts like this. For favorite, it's always been the Borodin set for me, but there's lots of great recordings of the 8th and overall cycles of the string quartets.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctcAUHyn2sM&list=OLAK5uy_kYjdeZTnmbWfKD_VtXYC_KV5wN6d0X_T8&index=28Emerson SQ for comparisonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHNP6NltBFg&list=OLAK5uy_mGaX0QYV4lzPQI4mP5cYG7C_fz6BJMGYs&index=28
>>131795160it's funny and thought provoking with some catchy music but catchy is all the music is
>>131794674no correlation
...wir waaaandelten in Fiiiiinsterniiiiis...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nexbYZm1gwsHaven't laughed like this at anything music related in a long while. Uproariously funny!
Can we all just shut up and stop posting? "Music" is dead. There is nothing you can listen to after Schubert, it all ended with Franz Schubert. Just listen to D. 929 and stop breathing, you don't need any air either.
>>131798030this but D.959
>>131798030*copy pastes this with another composer's name instead*
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>>131793349>>131793304They actually died after attempting to recreate a scene from John Waters Pink Flamingos
>>131798325slut
>>131798363That's so random lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7lTGozMSGs
What are the weirdest works by these conservative composers?>Bach>Mendelssohn>Brahms>Rachamaninoff
sucks how at every Chopin competition in the final round they always play his only two concertos that are some of his worst works
>>131798941>BachMusikalisches Opfer>MendelssohnDer Onkel aus Boston>BrahmsDie schöne Magelone>Rachamaninoff [sic]The Star-Spangled Banner arranged for solo piano
>>131798999Chopin's "worst work" is still one of the greatest pieces ever conceived by humanity so I don't see any issue here. Besides, it's not like anyone worth a damn plays in Chopin competition, it's cringe shitfest and an insult to Chopin's legacy.
>>131799049Well you're only correct on one of those things, but I'm inclined to agree with the overall sentiment.
>>131799031>The Star-Spangled Banner arranged for solo pianoI can't believe Rachmaninoff disgraced himself with this shite.
>>131799049the piano parts are fine honestlybut the orchestration supposedly wasn't even written by him and he didn't care for them
>>131799105At least he didn't disgrace himself with two mediocre piano concertos!
>>131799031>The Star-Spangled Banner arranged for solo piano
>>131799135Nah, 4th is a masterpiece. 1st isn't great but it ain't medicore.
chopin sucks so fucking bad
>>131799467kek. based and true.
>>131799467based
I just confidently identified Mendelssohn's Violin Concerto as Brahms' in front of people, it's so over
>>131799567That's not even a rookie mistake... that's a never listened to either piece mistake...
>>131799584It was halfway through the first movement and I realized my mistake shortly after, I just wanted to answer immediately and therein is the source of the mistake.
Bruckner's 8th is something else
well excuuuuuse me I have a much better memory for words and images than I do music, I can't be good at everthing!
>>131799567Who were the people?
That's musically illiterate
48/1 moggs all the ballades and it don't even close.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpriHgUyEM0&list=RDFpriHgUyEM0&start_radio=1
>>131798363just read the wiki article about that film and now I need to wash my eyes and brain with bleach.erm... thanks I guess?
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSvESscd2Ik
>>131800666Suitably Satanic digits for such a film and I did have to look it up to see the scene where:>and a contortionist who flexes his prolapsed anus in rhythm to the song "Surfin' Bird".for myself
>>131800666it's going to be ok, Satan. just try to think happy thoughts and don't hesitate to contact a mental health hotline.
>>131800709Uplifting music.
>>131801155No its just dull like Telemann always is
>>131801657I take it you shan't be partaking in the next edition then? ;)
>>131801678Oh I'll be there baby
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k83gnNSwMzI
>>131801807Why did Beethoven think Cherubinni would be the one to carry the torch after him, instead of the clear choice, Schubert?
>>131801832I'm going to need a source, anon.
The best 2nd movement of any symphony ever is _____________
>>131801908Worst and least memorable symphony movement.
>>131801908excellent question.
>>131801908Bruckner 7
>>131801964it also has the best 3rd movement but the outer movements pretty average:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEeT47cxfFw
*are*
>>131801832He said Cherubinni was the best composer besides himself.
>>131802068well obviously. In the early 1800's Cherubini was basically the highest authority you could consult when it came to matters of counterpoint and theory.
>>131802111Can you give some examples of his works demonstrating this mastery ot counterpoint?
>>131802122https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCn-5Y8u4jYthere's also a treatise which was the Paris conservatory's main counterpoint textbook for many years.https://archive.org/details/treatiseoncounte002279mbp
>>131802143Fugues are just highly ordered crazybus music for the most part. Like how is this supposed to move me emotionally?
>>131802151
>>131802165That explains literally everything
>>131802151This kind of crazy bus?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC0cvwnG0Ik&list=RDsC0cvwnG0Ik&start_radio=1I agree though
>>131802008>[Bruckner 7] also has the best 3rd movement but the outer movements pretty average:
>>131801908https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm3WB1e4g0k&list=OLAK5uy_mimbP3mxchr9CiM5zVGl5tnpqhY-DORpM&index=2
>>131802413it's true though. Bruckner's 7th is like an inversion of symphonic form in which the highlights are in the middle and the outer movements function as glorified fade ins and fade outs.
>>131802469It's not true... the first two movements of B7 are divine, the 3rd is alright, and the 4th, to quote Tennstedt, is 'blah blah blah'
Brahms sucks at developments.
>>131802851Isn't he supposed to be the "developing variation" guy? If he cannot into development sections then I guess he just sucks
>>131801908https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5kMOS7VtlYI
>>131800718that's somewhat impressive I suppose
>>131802436Usual prolongated chromatic soup from Mahler
>>131802929I guess he was only good at developing when he wasn't in development sections.
>>131801908Beethoven 9.
>>131801908Schubert 8
>>131803214So mediocre even though I've heard the whole symphony numerous times I don't even recognize it as I am listening to it right now.
something is fucky: >>131803333>>131802111>>131800666
you missed at least four: >>131798999>>131792999>>131790666>>131781444
>>131803405>>131803478the chances of that happening are about one in fifty.
Brahmshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dAWECPfI20
>starts listening to 4+ hours of Wagner a day>sexual misconduct allegations start droppingMore and more reasons why you should never start listening to Wagner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy9xo6uFxfM
>>131803962playing Wagner is arguably a sexual misconduct violation in its own right.
>>131796883This sounds like if someone set out to prove Wagner right about Mendelssohn music being akin to still life paintings.
>>131780019If you had to select four of Wagner's eleven overtures and assemble them into a symphony (transposing is allowed) what would your pick be?
>>131804012Mendelssohn's music is akin to still life paintings and that is what makes it so great.
I will listen to the next album/collection posted in full
>>131804150https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05U1DbxAZ90
>>131804163Sure but what the fuck even is this, why are they just doing short ass motives and excerpts
>>131804201it's the fate you chose.
>>131804214Thats fine, I was just hoping for a bit of context but ill just listen to it blind
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>>131804201Don't worry, there are full operas later.
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>>131797499>thinks "class struggle" has no correlation with leftismRetard alert!
