>this musician is bad"Why?">because someone else did their sound first 30 years ago"So do you hate the original sound too?">no it's goodWhat the fuck is the logic behind these people? You see them everywhere on /mu/ and everywhere on other music sites where their only criticism of a band is that it sounds like somebody else (as if that's a negative) but then have nothing but praise for the band it's supposedly ripping off. Shouldn't you be glad that there's more of the same kind of music that you like?
>>131816168Because being original is a quality in and of itself. AI could probably compose a nocturne in the style of Chopin today but that doesn't make AI anywhere near as genius as he was
>>131816174Bot post, nobody's talking about AI.
>>131816168I enjoy music cause of inventiveness of human self expression and the push for new frontiers.Making rehashes of 30yr old pop music is the exact opposite of what i want
I have a friend who loves King Crimson but thinks Black Midi is the worst thing ever and I feel like if he were being genuine he'd either love both, hate both, or at least love one and feel neutral/mildly enjoy the other.
>>131816168It's a simple question of artistic integtity.
>>131816168personally I think its because the spirit of innovation and artistry that inspired the original musicians comes across in the music. its not that I sit there thinking oh yes this was so original 4 decades ago or w/e when Im listening, its that the music is genuinely better because it contains real and personal human expression. if all an artist can do is select a pre-existing aesthetic and copy it, that lack of creativity is going to show, both in their performance and even more significantly in their songwriting.
>>131816290>>131816250>>131816191These.
>>131816290That's cool. I suppose genres are not allowed to exist because a band in 1971 copied a band from 1970.
>>131816336Has the band inspired by the original brought something original - a fresh look on the genre? Yes? That's absolutely fine then
>>131816336You're not a creative if you cant understand the nuance
yeah some people get pissed all the time if you say the song theyre showing you reminds you of something else even when its said in a positive way
>>131816352>>131816290Stop looking for novelty in everything and learn to enjoy quality.
>>131816363Everyone has preconcieved notions of the music they listen to - the parts of it that speak most to them are maybe oblivious to someone else who'll focus on a different aspect and offer their contribution to keep the convo semantically relevant, but will fail due to not fully understanding the first persons taste
>>131816378Stop playing 30 yr old riffs and make an effort of learing to something interesting by yourself, without needing a cheat sheet
i would wager people don't care much about originality unless it's relating to something they already care about. when you find a band you like and then you find their obvious inspiration, it's exciting because it's basically more of the same but from another time or perspective, so you get to see how the thing you like has evolved to become the thing you like in the first place.
>>131816391No. If i like sound XYZ, then i want more of it. I'm not gonna cry when i get it.
>>131816405thanks for proving yourself to be intellectually empty lmao
>>131816410You are soooo right i should limit myself to only 1 song if i found something i liked and anything that's similar IS GARBAGE and i should hate it!
>>131816423you cant even play an instrument right?no creative person would be saying dumb shit like >>131816405>>131816423have you ever created anything in your life?
ugh.. these guys are doing the sound that i really like again, i hate it when they make shit i like...
>>131816437nothing makes me angrier than genres! aarrgghghhh there should not be genres, only 1 song! no one allowed to make something similar or i get very very mad.
>>131816168
>>131816378learn to readI literally said >>131816378that the lack of creativity and expression is going to show in the songwriting. ie, the fact that they're not creative means they'll write and play shit music. it might be superficially similar in sound or aesthetic to its inspirations but its likely to be empty and shallowstuff from decades ago isnt going to sound novel anyway, youre not even making sense on first principles let alone your misunderstanding of the actual point
>>131816451dumb fucking disingenuous retard lmaopeople in genres tend to compete with eachother and make their contributions to the genres relatively personalripping off popular bands from a few decades ago is what this thread is about, not whatever you are rambling about
>>131816336fuck that 1971 band, using guitars just like the 1970 band? how uncreative. i hate that.
>>131816451yeah genres are largely pointless. there should just be a rym top 5 for every style of music and that's what we should all listen to. why waste time on subpar trash
>using a similar sound but otherwise completely different song structure and melody is le ripping off o algoever you should hate that!
>>131816497>completely different song structureoftentimes not the case
>>131816474enough about ffxiv>>131816437obnoxious mindset to have>>131816455something tells me you couldn't even name a first principle
>>131816514>i cant create but i'll tell you that low effort is enoughEpic dude
>>131816451>moom im playing along is that enough? Huh, nooo i dont wanna improve and realize my full potential ewwww
>>131816551DYK you can be a creator and be bad at it?
>op makes dumb post>no one agrees with him>he has an uptight little melty at everyone with a different opinionlmao
>>131816580of course, but i would shit on those peoples opinions as well, doubly so
>>131816596well at least post your shit to back up what you're saying
>>131816602none of you deserve it
>>131816551post your groundbreaking stuff dude
>>131816606whatever man. i've never made a single thing in my life but it's still obvious to me that innovation is not only a form of flattery, but also a good way of iterating on something that might have stopped being made.
>>131816625imitation not innovation*
>>131816625>. i've never made a single thing in my lifesee i told you that's why you cant understand this
>>131816648what exactly am i unable to understand? seems like you don't even know what OP is on about and are just disagreeing because you have some kind of cult of originality in you heart. i can assure you no one cares about that unless it serves their own credibility.
>>131816625you're the type of mindless drone who'd be fine with the same 3egg omelette breakfast for every single day of your empty life til you croak in mediocrity and regrets
>>131816657you're here rambling on about genres, im talking shit like greta van fleet doing led zepellin (i know led zep stole songs, they made them popular tho) and hundreds of similar situations
>>131816661pic rel>>131816676you might not them. it but someone else might discover them before Zep and then get into Zep. if music was was just about who you ought to listen to instead of what you discover here and there it wouldn't be half as stimulating. not to mention since Zep doesn't really make music anymore GVF is just more of the same for anyone who wants it. if GVF is bad it's not because they're ripping off Zep, it's because they can't fill the shoes, which is a different matter entirely because it doesn't rule out some hypothetical band that could. it's lamost as petty as getting upset over bands who replace their singer to keep going.
>>131816703>bands who replace their singer to keep going.that fully invalidates the bands discography and existence to me. happened last with neurosis
>>131816703>pic relyou actually took that as an insult lmao that means it's true
>>131816711i'm kind of curious about what you think about the average singer song writer who knows they're not innovating but just wants to make a living or entertain people
>>131816715not a fan of eggs
>>131816720>make a living or entertain peopleno artistic integrity there.if you make art, it should come spontaneously. the urge to create should be equal to the urge to procreate. monetizing that is fine, but making something for the sole purpose of monetizing it is always reasonably obvious
>>131816731what other hobbies do you have?
i don't even need to read through the thread to know there's an npc with lower order "thinking skills" (lol) seething in post after post because it has no ability to actually be creative this is what happens when human breeding isn't carefully managed by intelligence and pragmatism and subhuman animals multiply instead, the animals become resentful of their natural conditions when examples of superiority are observed
do you guys actually like music cause you enjoy it, or cause it gives you a sense of superiority
>>131816739i mostly read hard science fiction books and cook
>>131816750i enjoy the music i listen to cause it gives me a sense of superiority
>>131816751im gonna assume you only spend maybe 30 minutes a day online if you don't consider it a hobby. but, if you think there is no artistic integrity in music as a trade or profession then you're shitting on a great deal of musicians, which is kind of counter intuitive
>>131816761yeah very few people alive are actual artists, you're not wrong in reading that from my posts
>>131816750The only people who seem to like derivative music/art seem to be low IQ in my experience. You can pour whatever goyslop into their troughs any they'll mindlessly gobble it up without question.Pigs, swine, dilettantes, Philistines. This has been going on for all of recorded human history.
>>131816720Dime a dozen slop.
>>131816819some people prefer timeless, others prefer sentimental
>>131816761just out of curiosity, how does 'being online' constitute a hobby?i research various things and dont have any social media. does my couple hours of internet use equal those constantly doomscrolling and simply not thinking?
>>131816779TRVTH NVKE
>>131816829pointless dichotomya bunch of timeless stuff is sentimental, a bunch of sentimental stuff isnt timeless
>>131816838tis my personal conviction that a hobby need not be productivity farming
>>131816844so just anything you do to not sit alone, looking at a wall thinking is a hobby to you?
>>131816842sentimental stuff doesn't have to be timeless because it means something to the lister. i'm sure there's a subset where timelessness makes the sentiment, but those people likely never move on from their first few friends
>>131816848it's not that deep
>>131816850>song about love from the '50s no longer works cause you cant just fuck a 14yr old nowadays
>>131816856people who say this have never stepped in a puddle, let alone anything deeper
>>131816844who in their right mind would even say 'erm my hobby is being online'
>>131816857Unfortunately
>>131816857that's what geese is for
>>131816878Internet as a hobby is the reality for billions of people, not wanting to admit it or being unaware of it doesn't change that fact.
>>131816861huh? ya mean you don't get carried around by 4 guys?
>>131816903>ill turn this to a try at a joke by taking his insult at face value and pretending to be retardednah actually i have a whole tribe of Amazons on rotation throughout the week. snu-snuing my way across the puddles
>>131816902>billions of peoplecollective waste of skin cells
>>131816923And you're one of them, literally wasting your life posting on 4chan. Congratulations on your new self-awareness.
>>131816964this is my third screen, the other two are making me moneyget good.
alright this is a getting a bit too edgy for my tastes. zoom on lil kiddos
>>131816972>it was real in my mindYou couldn't even come up with an original cope reply to post. Pathetic.
>>131816998>>131817003damaged by the simple thought of being lower than an anonymous internet poster? lmao
The Romanticism movement was a mistake, I blame the 1920's avant-garde for make it more retarded, and Scaruffi is a fucking imbecile.
>>131817018>esl to bootlol time to work on your painful english jeet
OP seems like a simpleton, but some variation of that argument is valid. People are way too dismissive of music once they identify a reference point for it. Even the "original" musicians were building off of what other artists did. Almost nothing comes from wholly new cloth.
>>131817265only good comment here
>>131816779dealing with your kind will always be worse than dealing with philistines
>>131817304cause you have to actually think when conversing with an actual person? yeah makes sense you'd find that hard
>>131816168They want to be impressed by another man's superiority like a fag, rather than just being entertained
>>131816168The only people I heard or seen using the "It sucks because it's not original" argument, are sore losers coping with the fact that their music isn't popular or that the band they were in 30 years ago didn't make it.
>>131816168They hated him because he spoke the truth.
>>131817427>i cant handle people being good at things, it offends me
>>131816168>it sounds like somebody else (as if that's a negative)yeah we should all just be carbon copies of each other, that's fun.bet you're ecstatic that the future is gonna hold just an amalgamated mass of brown skin as humanity. disgusting
>>131817511>yeah we should all just be carbon copies of each other, that's fun.literally nobody said thisyou argue like a brown person or a woman (like most /pol/tards do)
>>131817427>t. literally this memekek
>>131817568>phoneredditor filename>"STOP BEING A HOBBYIST ON A HOBBYIST websitepottery
>>131817665It's ai.Literal robot.Filename.
>>131817665>a hobbyist is a person with no experience in the topic and no willingness to expand its horizonare you sure?
>>131816168pointless to argue this point on a board filled with pop star posting coomers with the attention spans of demented goldfish
>>131817702Yes, I'm sure.A hobbyist is a person who actually explores his fucking hobby by "consooming" it you genuine retard, instead of clinging to and fanboying over the same handful of bands and labeling everything else as "generic" or a "copycat".
>>131816857>cause you cant just fuck a 14yr old nowadaysThat's what you think lamo
>>131817803>instead of clinging to and fanboying over the same handful of bands and labeling everything else as "generic" or a "copycat".i dont think you know what you're arguing against. my point isn't that old popular bands should be or stay popular. it's the lack of innovation and inspiration in people deciding to rehash the same ideas those bands already has decades ago.also >everything elseno, only the bands/artists who are shamelessly just going through the same motions there's plenty good, inspired art out there that draws from various influences, yet doesn't sound like any of those influences cause the music has passed through competent people with their own sets of skills who managed to mold those inspirations into something personal and effective, not just 'hey remember 30yrs ago?'
>>131817665>admits to being a passive hobbyist and not an active creator It makes sense why you've been seething so hard ITT now. You're mad about being on the sideline while the actual players engage in the game and correctly ignore you're meaningless opinions.
>>131817803>who actually explores his fucking hobby by "consooming" itlmaookay, a question. if someone asks you what your hobby is, do you say 'listening to music'? how does that not immediately sound so miserable as you say it out loud?do you know how music is made? any kind of process really, be it songwriting, production, whatever.if not, can you really say 'music is my hobby'? if all you do is passively listen and remember factoids about bands and artists so you can gossip okay those were a couple questions, but im sure you understand my confusion
>>131816765This.
>>131817803bet you listen to 3-4 music 'genres' and think you're versatile lmao
>>131817803Yeah man my hobby is rock climbing. I've been up most famous cliffs of the world by watching youtube videos
>>131816174/thread
>>131816168That's a hack though. All artists steal but the good ones do it with some style and finesse.An inventive artist will steal from a variety of personally curated sources their audience would never be able to recognize. You're describing a hack stealing from recognizable sources everyone knows because they're either lazy and don't care or they're stupid. That or they think their audience is too stupid to know. So that's where you've landed, you're either defending stupid lazy hacks or you're too stupid to care that they're stupid lazy hacks. Basically you're admitting you're a dumb pleb.
