Alfred Hill Editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-OqNrPic1ohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWMnabgMtPkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUQ6kdFsMMQThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenpreviously, on /classical/: >>131804223
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ4MuT5AaMU
>>131838295I don't know if I'd name any one recording as the best for a piece that's been recorded as often as Liszt's Benediction, S. 173/3, but Arrau's (Arrauww!~) is certainly up there.
Ravelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z3y8uWb7M8&list=OLAK5uy_k2Dik53JZkX-WRoYbTD4Zks_kNzXwsAtk&index=10warning: may cause you to fall in love with Ravel's music
>>131839051Unlikely(I’m already in love with it)
Wait... Nietzsche Wrote Piano Music?!(It’s bad)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKfaXE5P2Mo
>>131839126rumor has it that when Wagner saw Nietzche's sheet music he had to walk over to a separate room because he couldn't contain his laughter.
>>131839126The best Nietzsche work is Delius' Mass of Life.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3M4313GcxIAnd Strauss, of course.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MkpITDJNzY
>>131839152Can’t blame him, there’s a powerful air of naivety around it. Nietzsche of course took offence and it ruined their relationship.
>>131839173Nietzsche was a little fucking bitch and this fact becomes increasingly obvious the more you read about his life.
>>131839176Nietzschean works, rather than Nietzsche’s works.And Kanye West, of course.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsO6ZnUZI0g
>>131839186You’re not wrong.
>>131839051personally, not a Ravel fan
>>131839203>phone posting>LARPing as another tripfaglel
>>131839203>>131839209You really should acquire a taste for Ravel though, he is very classical in many ways. Even though he explicitly stated a dislike for Beethoven, calling him one of the worst composers there is, he could not escape his structural and compositional influence.
>>131839223as Boulez put it, Ravel suffered from "affectation"
Liszt's Annees de pelerinage morninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tybXnje-8D0&list=OLAK5uy_m8U0POVu6b7VvQX04nBrS6idiIw6JAPv4&index=6
Messiaen fans: do you listen to Vingt Regards and Catelogue in their entirety, or singular pieces on their own? I approach most piano cycles the former way, but I'm starting to think with these two works, the latter might be the way to go, because every time I try to sit down and listen to either in their entirety from start-to-finish, I tap out after a few pieces. That kind of chaotic structure might be better in smaller doses I think.
>>131839245>Boo-lezlel
>>131839320this is the man who said "blow up the opera houses" after all
finna time travel to the past and make Sibelius compose a piano concerto at gunpoint
ugh I hate when there's like four difference pieces I want to listen to at the same time and I have difficulty deciding
>Gil Shaham talks with Boyce Lancaster from WOSU Public Media about his recording of J S Bach sonatas and partitas. "When you record your outgoing message on your answering machine, and then you hear it back you think - oh, maybe I should do that again. That's really how I feel about all my recordings."lol
>>131839451Listen to them all at once. One time I listened to two Chopin pieces at the same time and it sounded like Scriabin!
The best 10,000 pieces for a beginner to listen to?
https://youtu.be/mjX3qSuBfXkRachmaninoff can be jolly and saucy? Who knew
Rachmaninoff was a suicidal loser.Just listen to Scriabin.
I only listen to solo piano performances. Everything else is just unnecessary fluff.
>>131840019RACHMANINOFF vs SCRIABIN>ETUDESRachmaninoff.>PRELUDESRachmaninoff.>SONATASScriabin.>SYMPHONIESRachmaninoff.>MAZURKAS, WALTZESScriabin.>ORCHESTRAL WORKSRachmaninoff.Rachmaninoff wins.
>>131840396Out of those categories waltzes, mazurkas and sonatas are the only ones worth listening to, so Scriabin wins.
>>131840426Rachmaninoff won:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZU9wGVX7VQ&list=OLAK5uy_mJanaqu4ViJZdhktHnmfDFtx96Zjnrs0I&index=14
>>131840396Now do Debussy vs Ravel
https://youtu.be/hCoRNsi_PfU?t=5060The closing two minutes of Les Noces pierce me to the core every single time. I'm of the opinion you have to know Russian to truly appreciate the work, the reworkings into French or English don't do it justice.
>>131840770Ravel clearly wins in the orchestral genre. Debussy's got what, La Mer, Nocturnes, Faun and Jeux? Nobody listens to or stages Pellease et Melisande these days, however influential it was at the time. In the chamber music category it's more evenly matched and in solo piano it's up for grabs, one can argue it either way.
>>131840770Not a fan of either. Although I'd give Debussy a slight edge over Ravel.
>>131840396>>PRELUDES>Rachmaninoff.Lolno.
>>131841673Lol yes.
>>131841694To quote an anon from the previous thread >>131817584
>>131841707Incorrect.
great album art, even better performancehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgD3sUbn6L8
people who like Russian composers also play video games
>>131841843I know you smell horrible, like you haven't showered in months. I just know it, don't ask me how.
>>131841979nonsense reply by someone trying to randomly throw insults at the wall and seeing what sticks
>>131842029Seethe. You stink.
>>131842029He's right, I can tell that too. Your posts give off the stinky vibe.
>>131841733Incorrect.
>>131842113Incorrect.
>>131840396>>ETUDESA draw at best.>>PRELUDESObviously Scriabin.>>SONATASObviously Scriabin.>>SYMPHONIESObviously Rachmaninoff.>>MAZURKAS, WALTZESObviously Scriabin.>>ORCHESTRAL WORKSA draw at best.Rachmaninoff gets one more big point for writing vocal and choral music.Nobody wins, it's not a competition. :^)
>>131841843They also listen to m*tal. Every single Scribianfag came here from /metal/. That's why they're so stupid and uninformed on music.
>>131842145Correct. Just enjoy both.
>>131842145Pretty bad take. Rach wins both preludes and orchestral works by a landslide, although I considered drae for Etudes as well, but nope.
>>131842187Horrible take. Didn't ask either.
>>131842163yeah that makes sense.
>>131842196>no uDon't care, you are objectively wrong.
>>131842215Nope, still didn't ask.
>>131842231Wrong, still don't care.
>>131842237Nope, still didn't ask.>please argue with me!!I'll let you have the last word since you're so eager to have it. Knock yourself out!
>>131841784Does DFD ever dissapoint? And don't say Karajan's Ring; he may have been miscast, but he still delivered.
>>131842261Wrong still, don't care at all.
>>131842163Nice headcanon
>>131842310>nice [nerd-ass terminology]
>>131842163Well, that sadly disqualifies me, since I don't like metal and have a musical education :(
>no mature Beethoven organ works>no Fauré organ works>no Debussy organ works
>>131842399Thank god. What's truly sad is the lack of orchestral transcriptions of baroque organ music.
>>131842492It's a bit sad that Stokowski's were so bad they poisoned the genre.
>>131842492sounds gross
>>131842492retarded kid
>>131842515
>>131842571
>>131842589low iq
>>131842571stokowski sounds like a movie soundtrack
>>131842921Incoherent criticism, as expected.Stokowski is one of the greatest orchestrators of the 20th century.
>>131842979nothing about "sounds like a movie soundtrack" is incoherent
>>131842997It is.
One of the few pianists alive who doesn't outright suck.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDc4UpspuKQ
new releases we NEED,>a big budget Prokofiev symphonies cycle>a big budget Glazunov symphonies cycle>a big budget recording of Tchaikovsky's second piano concerto>Pichon to record Berlioz's Requiem and Dvorak's Stabat Materanything else?in the past, I wish for new big budget Martinu, Scriabin, and Mendelssohn symphony cycles (+ Elijah and Paulus for Mendelssohn) and it came true, all on DG.
>when dad walks in on you coomposing
>wish for big budget Prokofiev symphonies cycle>monkey paw curls>get a Nelsons cycle
>>131843234Szymanowski sonatas. Anton Rubinstein symphonies. Glazunov string quartets. Maybe Sgambati.
>>131843184Perahia is good, no doubt, but quality new recordings released everyday, anonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhGdWLmh4nA&list=OLAK5uy_n0IXa2U-v1l2sHnEcvqggWyyisV4USylM&index=24https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bheORLZmf9M&list=OLAK5uy_nUiDbEKcGNKjlhnP5Im_ov-0sQq00VOgQ&index=24https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPpfJ1lJPG8&list=OLAK5uy_lNBUOrllWItvi6ALUZmn4xlczo4guXZaI&index=24https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKSRwBfTj8Y&list=OLAK5uy_lRXVdozvSC5eMGvlQYuR-9-VEp8tNh5rk&index=24
how did he do it anons ;_;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvqSpbEE2w8&list=OLAK5uy_m8U0POVu6b7VvQX04nBrS6idiIw6JAPv4&index=9
>so what do you like to do?>oh i've been obsessed with classical music lately, haha, you?>holy shit, i love classical music too!>what, really?>yes! especially stuff for the piano.>so you must love chopin?>who?>chopin.>oh not familiar.>mfw
>>131843372>nah actually I've been listening to these guys Yiruma and Einaudi
Chopin is classical for people who buy "Relaxing Piano Greatest Hits" cds at the drug store.
>>131843427yes but he is also a revolutionary genius. Somehow he manages to be all things to all people
[composer you like] is classical for [vulgar group of people] who buy [embarrassing, corporatized compilation stripping the music from its context] cds at the [store for cheap, lowest common denominator goods].
>>131843427Well who else does relaxing piano as good as him?
>>131843468Debussy
>>131843413>>131843468this guy apparently, see video names
Anything more relaxing than Xenakis is for proles
>>131843513>static walls of sound aren't the most relaxing of all.
favorite recording(s) of strauss's alpine symphony?
>be me, in my small apartment listening to super hiss recordings of classical for hours>hear loud knocking on wall>"yo man, you okay? I been hearing static from your place for hours now"
>>131843567Karajanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irO0i1PDoUE&list=OLAK5uy_lOt7lyPBsoz7CTtvLYaLiqRKgT3ZDB4J8&index=1Kempehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM7MXDPZ4DM&list=OLAK5uy_lB7iqQzPfr_8KqfHPtRjo93HXfnokvlkk&index=20
>>131843567I literally don't care about Strauss outside of Elektra. Its all trite. He had a chance to be a great modernist powerhouse and he threw it away to avoid persecution from the nazis, which he suffered anyway.
>>131843567https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrhQhIHBEFc&list=OLAK5uy_k8zcAAi-18yrznydqPJJvgHU1Fhd52BWo&index=17
>>131843637Liking Strauss' orchestral music requires a heroic spirit.
>>131843303I didn't say he's "good".
>>131843617>>131843648<3
>>131838884Or a doggone thing, He's just a bang beat, bell ringingBig haul, great go, neck-or-nothing, rip roarin'Every time a bull's eye salesmanThat's Professor Alfred Hill, Alfred HillHe's a music man and he sells clarinetsTo the kids in the town with the big trombonesAnd the rat-a-tat drums, big brass bass, big brass bassAnd the piccolo, the piccolo with uniforms, tooWith a shiny gold braid on the coat and a big red stripe runnin'..
>>131841784It's good, but quite frankly Kipnis mogshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIKrwYQTjCI>>131842263>Does DFD ever disappointYes. After the 50s he became more of a barker than a singer.
Seeing Haydn’s 88th Symphony soon, can’t wait!
>>131841784>How bad do you want the cover art? >As bad as you can possibly make it-this is yellow label Brahms after all-it's already crucifyingly boring
>>131844057Looks dope to me.>>131841784As with all lieder, it's better with a woman's voice.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt9Bp7Gzhwg&list=OLAK5uy_nrtnPXbBJCcJNiexVBv9hiFYWdjIafDO4&index=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCE44sSRI0c&list=OLAK5uy_neOtltG6DwskfpQNDSZryKyE2JNDUek5o&index=4Hell. Yes.
>>131839126funny that a 19th century failed german composer should be the intellectual forebear to a certain 20th century austrian failed painter
>>131844077Janet Baker sounding decidedly mid here.
people who like French composers also watch anime
>>131844035You gotta watch the first 87 before.
>>131844235Well yeah, french and japanese culture has intermingled for centuries at this point
>>131844235people who like Japanese composers hate anime
>>131844296low key kind of true. I am tired of people asking me what (thing Japan) I like just because there are some Gagaku influences in my music.
>>131844235I was there, Anon. I was at the 1889 world fair 137 years ago. I was there the day the strength of common practice harmony failed.
>>131844235French composers are like French mathematicians (and artists), very abstract and sophisticated, crafted with delicacy, but practically almost useless.
>>131844354
>>131843637>he threw it away to avoid persecution from the nazis,He had been a household name for 30+ years by the time the Nazis appeared on the scene, dingus
>>131844254damn…
>>131844424okay so he was just a cuck. Much better
>>131844440It's like dropping in the middle of Anal Alley Catgirls 14 and expecting to understand the story.You wouldn't disrespect Joseph Haydn like that, would you?!
Is there anything by Strauss for someone who dislikes singing/opera like me?
>>131844631
>>131844619no that's all he made sorry
test
>>131844688What?
>>131844619He has tons of tone poems and orchestral works. Listen through this set.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbhW0WoZ-94&list=OLAK5uy_k8zcAAi-18yrznydqPJJvgHU1Fhd52BWo&index=1
>>131844688this is also announcing a report albeit
>>131844545I would never disrespect Papa Haydn like that!
Wagner sucks cock.
now playing, all this talk about Strauss makes me wanna go through his all of his orchestral music, and I'm feeling like using a unified set by a single conductor, so I'm going with François-Xavier Roth, and this is his first volume.start of Richard Strauss: Ein Heldenleben, Op. 40, TrV 190https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_q7fCGuppc&list=OLAK5uy_keynEuRhft64LCfbCxXc92ujzf4HxJ4o0&index=2Richard Strauss: Tod und Verklarung (Death and Transfiguration) , Op. 24, TrV 158https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV3E45Jx1iM&list=OLAK5uy_keynEuRhft64LCfbCxXc92ujzf4HxJ4o0&index=7https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nPz5rvmfvxJ76W-IJUaHhz7rY16nNersc
Have always loved Die Fledermaus, but could never get into Strauss's later operas like Salome or Der Rosenkavalier, it's like he became a completely different composer.
>>131844889He underwent a metamorphosen
>>131844853God lord that is one ugly mug. No wonder Roth recordings almost never use his face, whereas almost all the other contemporary conductors, especially the successful ones, do.
>>131843482(Not true, btw)
>>131844688>>131844776>Announcing a report>complaining about 4 chan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwbgLCRz1EIthe listen
>>131845258Making romantic music gave me an appreciation for Chopin and Rach but Tchaiko will always be formless sloppa.
>totally BTFO every musique concrete listener
Adulthood is realizing Mozart is as predictable as dilletantes say outside of a number of works where he specifically did weird things but that's okay because being a great composer is having moments of outstanding sublimity and transcendence that are unmatched by other composers, not just subverting expectation as much as possible, or else Milton Babbitt would be one of the great composers of the Canon. In fact this attitude that music should be weird or unconventional is a modern sickness.
>>131847015truly one of the greatest trolls of all time.
>>13184719999.99% of youtube videos are fucking slop. if you really want to study music just buy a pile of sheet music, manuscript paper, and textbooks written before the 1970s.
>>131847268The image is just a meme, it has nothing to do with the statement. Rick Beato is the kind of guy who will find a suspension in Bach and say its a 13 chord with a flat 9 or some nonsense of the like. He was the kind of guy I was goofing on in my comment. I largely agree with you, mainly because you'll just spend all your time posting on 4chan if you don't get off the internet.
>>131847268>before 1970>not having the best textbook of all
>>131847362fuck off and kill yourself.
>>131847399what is wrong with Musical Composition Craft and Art?
>>131847413>published in 2018there's your problem.
>>131847486>old good, new badNot an argument. Never has been, never will be.
>>131847525provide an argument as to why it's so good.
>>131847539basically because he slights atonal "composers" and refutes the Persichetti "any sequence of notes can follow any other sequence of notes" postmodern palaver. Its a very refreshing and no-nonsense book in a world of Whitacre imitators.
>>131847574>refutes the Persichetti "any sequence of notes can follow any other sequence of notesretroactively refuted by Max Reger. thank you for playing, retard.
Bach's music is perhaps the most monotonous and soulless music I have ever heard. He repeats the same patterns again and again, while the music itself rarely if ever actually goes anywhere. Honestly, a computer could have written that music. It's almost inhuman in its cold, rational sterility. Five minutes of it would put me to sleep, and any more than that and I would feel the need to jump out of a window to escape the hopeless monotony.
>>131847609I will put you to sleep permanently.
do i go?
>>131847641Newcastle sucks cock.
>>131847596>Max Froggerlol. An even more dull early Schoenberg. You also don't seem to understand the hegelian dialectic. we're in a culture war, soldier.
Rach>Self indulgent >Stuck in the past>Loved by plebsScriabin >Boundary pushing >Quickly moved on from romanticism into his own voice >Loved by patriciansIt's simple.
>>131847791How are self-indulgent and boundary-pushing in any way foils to each other?
>>131847667Schoenberg actually fought in a war. the only war you ever fought in was an unsuccessful campaign against your addiction to sucking cock.
>>131847791>Scriabin>so self-indulgent he thought he could bring about the end of the world with a piece of music>God humbles him by letting him die from a shaving cut He was even more of a schizophrenic goofball than Wagner
>>131847933That sounded funny in your head I guess.
>>131847944I thought it was kind of funny, nta
>His music sounds like I think – sometimes.What does this mean?
>>131848014>joe rogan watcher>thinkingbait used to be believable.
>>131848014Are we supposed to immediately know what this auto-gatekept reference is?
>>131847641Most definitely
>>131847641The Creation is probably the best thing Haydn composed
That Poème de l'extase? Put it on loud. His music sounds like I think – sometimes. Has that far-off cosmic itch. Divinely fouled up. All fire and air. The first time I heard it I played it over and over. (...) It was like a bath of ice, cocaine and rainbows. For weeks I went about in a trance. Something had happened to me. (...) Every time a thought seized me a little door would open inside my chest, and there, in this comfy little nest sat a bird, the sweetest, gentlest bird imaginable. 'Think it out!' he would chirp. 'Think it out to the end!' And I would, by God. Never any effort involved. Like an étude gliding off a glacier.
>>131848056
>>131848296why are you pretending to be a book character?
>>131848304This. Its possible to be right and trite at the same time.
If Wagner had an anime soundtrack it would be Siegfried Idyll
>>131848504if you had a brain you would not have made that post.
>>131848542How would he post anything without a brain?
>>131848574Anything is possible through the power of Christ.
>>131848542If I had a brain I'd while away the hours conversing with the flowers
>>131848587
>>131838884>Alfred Hill>Listen to the first thing>Its literally orientalist cineslop Can we stop promoting nobodies that waste the general's time? If you're going to post an obscure composer, they better not be a second-rate Tchaikovsky.
best recording of The Creation?
Mussorgsky looks how I feel
>>131848659how about I break into your trailer home and crack your skull open with a baseball bat?
>>131848728How about you shut up and never post in the general again. Deal?
How about we all be a little bit nicer to each other? :)
>>131848771shutup you earless dysgenic feline
>>131848771I respectfully decline the offer and this nigger, >>131848759 should make his own 10,000th edition about Mozart instead of continuing to be a nuisance here.
>>131848834Or I'll make it about an actual interesting obscure composer like Zelenka or Dallapiccola? not some guy making music that's cheesier than Nielsen's Aladdin
>>131848924Next general will be about the note D everyone's favourite note
>>131849000based
>>131849000hell yeah
To me, Romantic symphonies and concertos are like rich greasy foods. Tastes amazing until you have too much. Baroque works are like palate cleansers. Refreshing as a change of pace in between the greasy foods, but too simple on their own. So basically I'll listen to a symphony or two, then listen to some Bach before the next one to "reset" my brain.Just my two cents.
>>131849075>food analogynobody cares fatass
>>131849107Only retards have a problem with food analogies, falling for that meme from a few years ago.
>>131849075More accurate take: Romantic symphonies are like the most nutritionally balanced meals - you might not enjoy it, but it's all you really need. Classical symphonies have just the right balance of the taste and aroma, but lack nutrients. Baroque is undercooked, undernuanced, a lazy meal.
>>131844235Wrong again
>>131849075As Richter put it>It does no harm to listen to Bach from time to time, even if only from a hygienic standpoint
