OSDM revival editionBALD: >>131842469FAQ: https://pastebin.com/DCGqE5iL
Artist: DarkthroneAlbum: PanzerfaustSong: Beholding The Throne of Might>And destruction upon the holy man>Who hails a jew
hard plastic riffs
>>131857968That nig from blood incantation is pretentious as hell
BLASTING
>>131857978Oh cringe. I guess black metal is a leftist psyop
>>131857996He is, but his first 2 albums kick butt
>>131857997Wait are you fucking me blood incantation just stole this album cover or vice versa?
>>131857999Incoherent post
>>131857997
>>131858063>31 year old song>in today's climateretard
posting metal stars
>>131858090
What did I think of it?
>>131858089I'm talking about YOUR TASTE. You are in the 21st century
>>131858063>while being a nazi is clearly left wingI feel validated and complete.
>>131858015It's made by a 20th century painter iirc, agony is a canadian bdm or deathgrind who used it before BI, alec empire also used it for one his albums' cover art
>>131857997the only good osdm revival
>>131858209based cyber slam enjoyer
>>131858130Mentally ill post
*cyborg slam
>>131858141not music
>>131858171We prefer the 19th century Austrian painter here.
>>131857997Touch the devilish one
>>131858289Yes I know, mr. status guo :DDD
I like Sludge, Stoner and Doom metal cause of their speech-like vocals (neither extreme growls nor high pitched belting). What are some other subgenres/artists that do more aggressive and energetic music but keep the vocals like a regular dude singing?
heavy concrete riffs
badass metal, spiked wristbands, nightmare before christmas beanie, devildriver, trivium, chimaira, that's what's up
>>131857999Chequed and Correqued
>>131858205basedwe love mefitis here
snus metal?
>>131859022Dubs ov Eternal Autumn ov HighSchool Mallcore Days
>>131859065Psychostick!? Or dare I say it... Hellyeah?
>>131859065>>131859117Merciless
>>131859065>Ettan lösHoly based
>>131859065limp bizkit, korn, slipknot
This is the best metal album released in the 1980s with the possible exception of Altars of Madness
>>131859323Incorrect. Change your diaper.
>>131859323consuming impulse clears
>>131859323based>>131859366cringe>>131859382incorrect
How about those dodgers
>>131859382correct
>>131859323Anyone who thinks this is just a 'thrash' album is an earlet or a retardEspecially if they also think SBG is somehow death metal but this isn't?It's literally more death metal than SBG
>>131859323Severed Survival mogs
>>131859065Profanatica
>>131859323Didn't the vocalist of that band got accused of being a pedophile?
>>131859624Who cares? Only riffs matter
>>131859624Mexicans are pedophiles and being from California only makes musicians from there even more deranged than the baseline.
>>131859624apparently was texting a 16 year old chick "fan" who admitted to leading him on and jeff being the absolute boomer he is, didn't realize that women and young women especially are generally an enormous liability and the single biggest risk to one's reputation.
>>131857997Giving these guys a try.
>>131858115It sucked. I've never realized how important Broadrick's harsh vocals are to Godflesh until now.
S.O.D. - Fuck the Middle East
>>131857997>wonder if Vermine are due another album>HGH who only did the keyboards quit, when the keyboards really werent that notable>main guy just went "thats it im killing the project!"What the fuck
>>131859323the out of time drums completely ruin it>>131859463incorrect>>131860122
I just roke up
>>131861171Kino as fuck album. I fucking love these guys.
how do we gatekeep metal
>>131861388Glass posers.
>>131861388Ban /pol/tards.
i just skibidi toileted up
>>131861423The punk rock scene is that way.
>>131861388deport indians
>>131861517No thanks that's full of /pol/tards.
The bongmans - Chuds unite!
>>131861388Put swastikas everywhere
metal bands should be more outspoken about being anti-fascistsalso use more clean vocals and less wall of sound music holy shit
Metal bands should prioritize crafting better music over cultivating an entire brand based on an ideology
>>131861875No way that sounds cringe!
>>131857997Blasting at work
What the hell is this cover art? Makes me want to vomit.
>>131861856This ain't the war nigga no one is storming any beaches >>131861968HEIL!
>>131858115Last track is great
>>131857997New meloshit just droppedI liked the singles so this might be better than the last few albums
>>131862141Oh that's out?I fully expect to be disappointed.
>>131862004Nigga I've seen much worse.
>>131862004Better than average djent or proge album cover
>>131862278This is not worse
>dude metalheads are the friendliest and most chill people!>come to this general>mfw
>>131862141First track in and its by far the worst intro they ever made
>>131857997P. gud.
>>131862406AOTY
>>131862406Trash
>>131862141>>131862195>>131862399Gonna listen later but I'm not expecting much. Master dropped a new album today too.
>>131862399It's not awfulbut definitely a step down from their other ones, it doesn't even transition properly to the next track, they always had kino intros on nearly all their albums
>>131862399>the opening riff on the first proper track
>>131862141I reallly don't know why the vocalist bothers with those lame clean vocals, he just can't pull them off like Stanne or Akerfeldt
>>131861968>>131857997Now blasting their last album. Better than I remembered. Big switch up to more lo fi production
>>131862141Very weak. Singles aside, Remembrance is a pop-punk metalcore emo song in the truest sense of those terms.The hours grows late, the song with the Amorphis dude has such a mid chorus and is too long for its own good.Pathways is genuinely decent but the main motif outstays its welcome quickly because its used for every single part of the song. Lazy writing and arranging.Etheral Sleep is pretty much One For Sorrow 2.0The Banished is the only actual mdm song on the album with uptempo riffs. Written by the new dude who used to be in Mors.Then gay clean chorus part kicks in and really shits all over the track. It's really incredible how bad their clean singing is on every album no matter who is singing it, the melody is poor, the execution is poor and the voice is unpleasant. Century Media destroyed this band
>>131862508Gleam in the Black sounds like another Ephemeral
I could never really get into gothic melodic death/doom like Insomnium, Katatonia, My Dying Bride, etc.
>>131862487Cos they wanted to be on the radio.>>131862141I'm 4 tracks in and I want to turn it off, and I quite liked Anno (it wasn't great but it was "not shit" like I expected).Gleam in the Black has a lead riff I am 99% sure they have used before as I thought I'd accidentally skipped back or something.
>>131862527same but winter's gate was bretty gud
>>131862527That's one of my favorite genresThough Katatonia abandoned death doom very earlyHave you listened to Paradise Lost? They had a quite interesting trajectory going through different styles until they went back to their roots
>>131862527>My Dying BrideI really wonder if they are gonna record more music now that Aaron left, Swallow the Sun guy is decent but he just can't replace him.
>>131862539>Have you listened to Paradise Lost?Yea, same as the others. I've heard all the classic albums but nothing stuck, except maybe for Brave Murder Day which I remember liking.
Speaking of My Dying Bride, is there anything worth checking out past Turn Loose the Swans?
>>131857997'tis the season.
>>131862141The album seems to have polarizing, most reviews are positive while people on Sputnik are shitting on ithttps://www.sputnikmusic.com/soundoff.php?albumid=552751
Why are Euro/early American hours on this general so much better than regular American hours? 5am where I am and there's a marked difference.
>>131862555>Brave Murder DayThat's the one with Akerfeldt>>131862557All of their albums until Songs of Darkness, Words of Light are greatAnd 34.788%... Complete is overhated
Akerfeldt is a massively overrated, meme musician.
>>131862595Correct.
>>131862595He's made some great stuff but sure. Luv me Ghost Reveries
If I ever met Mikael Akerfeldt in person I'd tell that fucking hippie to get a goddamned job.
>>131862588I probably should have mentioned that I don't really like their clean vocals. Do they ever go back to death doom?
>>131862577They always do well with normies and mainstream reviews as they are very formulated to that crowd.
>>131862623Not pure death doom, their other albums are more like melodic/gothic doom
>>131862632I guess I'll pass then
>>131862595Name a better harsh and clean vocalist
>>131862630Winter's Gate recently passed ATWW as their highest rated album on RYM
>>131862623What are some death doom albums you like?
>>131862646That genuinely infuriates me.
Rymfags will gobble up anything mixed with prog metal
>>131862676Prog and doom are the best genres
>>131862679I couldn't disagree more.
People will hate on Insomnium for making the same album over and over but don't care when all the war black metal bands do it
>>131862676Most prog metal has been dropping on RYM thoughExcept for popular bands lke Gojira and Mastodon
>>131862679
>>131862643me
>>131862686>>131862703What do you think is the best genre?
>>131862643You mean a guy who could do both, or two individuals? As if you say he's the best clean singer ever then that's just silly.
>>131862623You can check out their demos
>>131862643Björn "Speed" Strid
>>131862718Brutal death metal.Melodic black metal.Stoner doom.War metal.Oldschool thrash.
>>131862718DSBM :)
>>131862719Obviously someone who can do both
>>131862722The most /metal/ answet
>>131862728>Brutal death metal.>Stoner doom.>War metal.You heard one album, you heard all of them
>>131862744This is how I feel about death/doom.
>>131862738I prefer peak-era Jason Mendonça. His harshes weren't as Akerfeldt but the cleans are miles better and the harshes are still good.
>>131862508Wtf is that gay spoken word on this track?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_SmloCRioM
All stoner metal is just ripping off Sweet Leaf by Black Sabbath
>>131862576Acid Witch is the best band to listen to on Halloween for sure
Cianide is the best death doom band. Miss me with that gay ass gloomy shit.
>>131862646I miss when this band played les pauls, wore button down shits and Vanni was still in the band.They sounded 10 times better live too even with songs being played at way faster tempo.https://youtu.be/IOKKr9HVfJA
>>131862774At least pick Autopsy and Asphyx instead of some hipster shit
All this death/doom talk made me listen to Disembowelment
>>131862785That is an absolutely fucking stacked tracklist, christ.
>>131857997Blasting some non-metal right now but it's massive based so whatever.>>131862790Somehow I still have never checked them out.
>>131862787Cianide is probably the least hipster band in existence what the fuck are you talking about
>>131862819>Somehow I still have never checked them out.It's not like they have a large discography
>>131862141This has managed to ruin my day with how trash it was.
>>131862828You have a large discography, you fucking guy,
>>131862819Few demos, EP and a full-length, sky is the limit anon
>>131862791Yeah, Above had just came out. In general 2006 was ridiculous for spurdo metalDiablo, Kalmah, Noumena, ETOS, Norther, Before the Dawn and Stam1na all released seminal albums
>>131862876Damn those names take me backI always liked Finnish melodeath more than Swedish bands with a few exceptions
>>131862876Yeah I know 90% of the tracklist is just Above (but I'm a sucker for Above so it works) but then dropping one of the few tracks I don't care for (At the Gates of Sleep) and then closing on The Day It All Came Down is top stuff.
>>131862643Dan Swanö
>>131862643King Diamond
>>131862950When did he do harsh vocals?
>>131862643Ian Gillan.
>>131862970On the chorus of A Mansion In Darkness
>>131862950>King Diamond>good vocals
>>131862930It's Dan "The Man" Swanö
>>131862990The goat of vocals
>>131862970Well, they are harsh for my ears
>>131863006That's offensive to goats.
>>131862790awful band
Whenever I buy merch from an online site I will always ask in the notes section to include a cool drawing. Some artists/labels have humoured me and some haven't. Once when ordering from NWN! I asked to include a drawing of a pentagram and a cat, and he did! I have it pasted on my bookshelf. Another subsequent time he did the same thing which I have tucked away. Not long after that he started coming out with pins and shirts and stuff with this cat face he drew for me on his own custom label-themed merch. I think I then bought one of the pins in a subsequent order but I must have lost it.>picrelI found a pic of it actually. Looks exactly like the sketch he included in my orders.
>>131863097By "he" I mean the owner of NWN! Yosuke, btw.
>>131863097>Whenever I buy merch from an online site I will always ask in the notes section to include a cool drawing.entitled faggot
>>131863040awful post
>>131863106>YosukeGood guy
>>131863040You probably hate Vegemite and Victoria Bitters ya fucking fanny
>>131863271This you lad?https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ns15eHLDv1I
>>131863040Fuckin new zealander
>Floor Jansen left NightwishWho's going to be the new vocalist?
>>131863290Spiritually, yes. Physically and nationality wise, no.
>>131863301hopefully they break up
>>131863301Well it'll have to be someone with a pair of tits else the band will have absolutely nothing going for it.
>>131863301>Who's going to be the new vocalist?Maybe Ceiling Acksen
>>131863348Maybe one of the SubRosa ladies get their big break!!
>>131863354Kek
>>131863355I don't think you can get the simpbucks if your female fronted vocalist for someone like Nightwish is fucking 50.
>>131863346Why? It's the one of the few bands you can pretend to like to get laid. Every damn scene hoe I've ever met absolutely loves Nightwish.
as a manlet she owes me sex
>>131863383
>>131863378All the hot grannies in my area ads beg to differ!>>131863383BASED. My ex was a 6'0 powerlifter. The ways she'd toss me around; to coom for!Then she'd get tired as cardio wasn't her thing
>>131863187Haven’t listened to these guys since Primitive Age was new, how does the later stuff compare?
>>131863383That’s a man
>>131863380I pretend to like Type O Negative to get laid by goth chicks
>>131863380Nobody has ever gotten laid by simply telling a woman they enjoy nightwish.
>>131863416I have
>>131863431Fucking her boyfriend doesn't count
>>131863416I nearly got laid by telling a big titted black chick I liked Tool. But I am socially retarded so I fumbled it.
>>131863431I doubt that was the deciding factor. Its not like you went from zero chance of getting laid to namedropping nightwish to getting laid.
>>131863441Namedropping a band she likes can get you into a conversation but its not going to get you laid.
>>131863416Wrong
2 songs into the new insomnium. Verdict: uh oh stinky.
No attractive female would ever have sex with a guy who listens to nightwish
>>131863456Is it eally that bad? The singles sounded fine
>>131863447It basically did because she hadn't met a guy who liked Tool like she did. Basically she was absolutely keen and wanted it and was dropping every suggestion imaginable.I just fully spaghetti'd.
I got laid with a femboy who liked Swallow the Sun and Katatonia
>>131863463Not him but I dunno what singles you heard that sounded fine. I think even if you liked those it will be distinctly mid or mediocre.To me it's a heaping pile of dogshit that makes me sad for how they once were. It's probably my least favourite release of theirs (besides that Argent Moon EP if you count that)
take the simp discussion to wpop you fucking losers
>>131863465You are basically agreeing with me though. You namedropped the band she liked and it didn't get you laid because you need to do more work after that. All it can do is get your foot in the door. The rest is on you.
>>131863456>>131863463It's no Winter's Gate or Across the Dark, definitely more sugary and a bit bland in the first half.>>131863474Things change. They're doing a Finnish take on Katatonia's evolution it seems like.>>131863470Not saying much honestly
>>131863404wings of chains and axestasy are gooddidn't even know they had a second album out
>>131863485>Things change. They're doing a Finnish take on Katatonia's evolution it seems like.No they've just basically fully sanded down everything interesting to become incredibly safe and formulaic, and now seemingly recycling riffs to a painfully obvious extent. They've been doing it for ages, but this is the most egregious example, and it sucks. I don't mind change, I hate just playing it safe and boring. I didn't love Winters Gate like some seemed to, but I liked them trying something new.
I think One for Sorrow is the weakest Insomnium album, that one is carried entirely by the title track
The only great insomnium is AtWW. Some of their other stuff is good but its mostly mediocre or just plain bad.
>>131863501Eh I liked Through The Shadows too (even if it's just Down With The Sun but miles weaker). It basically sounded like that album was when they started the formula they've been following ever since. I'd have said Shadows Of The Dying Sun was worse than One For Sorrow.
>>131863498>No they've just basically fully sanded down everything interesting to become incredibly safe and formulaic, and now seemingly recycling riffs to a painfully obvious extent.Is this Insomnium or Katatonia?
>>131862531>Gleam in the BlackYeah, they definitely used this riff before.
>>131863458>No female would ever have sex with me and I need to project on /mu/Fix'd
>>131863520Fair enough, I guess I'm just agreeing with you then lel.>>131863508Nah their earlier albums are good fun if inconsistent and rough around the edges, nd Across The Dark is the start of the downfall but it's them basically trying to do ATWW with clean vocal choruses so there's still some great bits in there. Down With The Sun is one of my favourite tracks of theirs despite its simplicity.
>>131863040Correct.
>>131863508They had a pretty consistent discography,they never made a truly bad album like Children of Bodom or In Flames
>>131863537I agree that their earlier albums are good I just don't think they are great.
>dude just tell her you like nightwish and you'll get laidpic related, the girls in question
lmao I just checked Metal Archives and there are 14 different bands called MercenaryI am only familiar with the Danish one
>>131863562Eh valid. They're on the cusp for me.
>chicks actually have a conversation with youchads gtfo of my general
>>131863570
>>131863565Imagine getting this butthurt about people having sex lmao
>>131863537For all we know this could be the beginning point of further slop or the end of their current stagnation since Winter's Gate, hopefully they get some inspiration or try to bring in more harsh elements to cut through the syrupy riffs more.Katatonia slumped hard after Night is the New Day. The wane of Nyström's influence really correlates with the enshittification of the band. At least we got A Sunset Choir for the Daylight Harvest EP
>>131863498I think Katatonia had great output until The Great Cold Distance though I really liked more prog sound on The Fall of Hearts When do you think they became uninspired?
>>131863565Geg
>>131863570Metal...
>>131863612I meant Insomnium, my bad.
lmao the lastest Katatonia album with the long ass name still doesn't have a page on Wikipedia
>>131863570>>131863586This one is the besthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Cbe3GwqV1U
>>131863612NTA but the one that brought up Katatonia firstThe Fall of Hearts was the last good slab of consistent material from Katatonia imo but that was also the beginning of the rift between Renske and Nyström becoming more evident. City Burials was alright but shit, after that they really fell off.>>131863626>"Nightmares as Extensions of the Waking State" so bad and forgettable that not even Wikipedia nerds catalog itLMAO
>>131863603yea he's just a jealous incel. i met my girl at a nightwish concert, she was the hottest chick therehere's her looking hot as fuck
>>131863609Would you rather see them go full AOR like Omnium Gatherum?I didn't care for their last few albums but the latest one was quite fun and catchy even though it lacked the depth of their earlier albums like New World Shadowshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5wDoaM_HDQ
>>131863651She looks like she's about to tell you why Opeth is the greatest band of all time
>>131863636Yeah that's fair enough, I have zero expacations from them now that Anders left
>>131863661That shit fucks. "May the Bridges We Burn Light the Way" was definitely a fun release and I can see the current lineup of Katatonia doing that stuff, at least it won't be boring trite prog shit like the stuff since City Burials.Or they could rebrand. Renske and the Ravens has a nice vibe to it.>>131863697My feelings as well. Maybe Anders Nyström works up a new project that touches on the death doom roots
holy shit blasphemy sucks so much
>>131863728Correct.
>>131863726Maybe they can do a surprise full metal album like Opeth did with the latest one
>>131863726Have you heard the album Renkse did with the guy from The Pineapple Thief? That one was nicehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P66D8U7xxh8
>>131863754With Jonas Renske now fully at the helm? I doubt it. Sky Void of Stars was a sampler of what his vision for the band's sound is and Nightmares as Extensions of the Waking State solidifies it. Painful as it has its moments like on Lilac, where I see what Renske is going for, but the rest falls flat like a day old soda.>>131863779I'll have to relisten. I remember liking it but thinking both dudes could have done better. And we never got a followup to it.At least both bands are doing better than October Tide haha:(
>>131863817Also have you seen that Wilson and Akerfeldt are working on second Storm Corrosion album? Not sure if you liked the first one but I thought it was a neat experiment but not what fans expected
JAMES HETFIELD
>>131863843YEAH YEAH
It's hilarious how James taking the chance to mock virtue-signaling celebrities using their platform to try and get social brownie points suddenly turned into Metallica just not caring about or even trying to suppress the events happening in Gaza or Ukraine or whatever the fuck in the eyes of leftards.
>>131863834Definitely far from metal but was a solid release. I enjoy that 70s style folk stuff they were going for.>>131863843HEIL HETFIELD!!!
>>131863911I don't know why it's suddenly a big story when he has been saying that for a while
GOOD LIFENO PLACE FOR MEBUT IT'S ALRIGHT I WILL WORK FOR FOOD
>>131863863no remember its YE-HEE YEEEE-EEEEAAH
James is based
Tried listening to In the Halls of Awaiting a couple weeks ago but turned it off halfway through. That shit was boring as fuck.
Currently rating Obituary - Inked in blood
>>131864131The title track is one of their best songs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCLcvS4RJZs&list=RDdCLcvS4RJZs
>>131864131Thanks for admitting you're a tastelet.
>>131864147>listening to anything after world demise
>>131864200only xecutioner's return is a stinker
Listened to the newest Chat Pile release. I fail to see how it's considered sludge metal at this point, they're more in the same sound as 00s Killing Joke imoTopical and well written lyrics, no matter how good they are, don't mean much if the music is bland. Had its moments but ehCorpse Pile is the better Pile
>>131864376Don't compare this overhyped buzz band to Killing Joke
>>131857997New Master album dropped. It's certainly a Master album.
>>131864395Closest thing I could think of for what Chat Pile is doing and sounds like. Killing Joke are obviously superior.>>131864411This almost looks like a Memphis Rap album cover lol
Would Vader or Master be the Tankard of death metal?
>>131864428I've always thought of Master as the Motorhead of metal.
>>131864435...but Motorhead is metal
>>131864444The Motorhead of death metal then
Black metal with Motorhead riffs is the best black metal
>>131864376even the first album sounded like shitty groove/nu-metal
>>131864677https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk3_WI4vUow
>download album off slsk>every single fucking song title has the uploader's blog linkdude, fuck off
>>131864880>Not running MP3 Tag on it immediately after downloading to never see that shit LMAO
>>131864880Actually I like it when it's added to comments on files and shit like that. I check out those pages sometimes
>>131864917not metal
>>131864428Vader are the Eagles of death metal
*ensorcells you*
>>131864922Retard
?
>>131864985>Encyclopaedia Retardum
>>131864941>Eagles of death metalSounds like a cool band name
>>131863301Her sister
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c4xYmXkFkQ
>>131864376>Topical and well written lyrics, no matter how good they are>Chat Pile>well written lyricsWHY
THEY IGNOREPROTESTSCAN'T IGNOREA BURNING POLICE CAR
>>131864376I fail to understand why the trve cult metalheads hate them so much, honestly they're a bit like Sleep Token but with actually good music
>LG Petrowdead>Trevor Strnaddead>Tompa Lindbergdead>Riley Galedead>Cronosdead
>>131865219They don't sound anything like Sleep Token
>>131865241>Bjorn “Speed” StridAlive
>>131865325based
>>131865126That was more of a general statement than a point towards Chat Pile. Shitposting before my caffeine hit, oopsie>>131865219They're in no way anything like Sleep Token in sound. Or schtick. I fail to see that comparison other than their mass appeal.
>>131865372Diapersmell sucks shart through a straw
>>131865480I disagree fren
Damn /metal/ was actually mostly on topic for once
>>131865126Compared to most metal lyrics, their lyricist is basically Yeats.
>>131865513I think even most lyrics about fucking and raping babies tend to generally end up more intricate than Chat Pile lyrics.
>>131865493And I'll do it again ya fucking dog cunt! Anyway, the most valuable thing here is the castle nut wrench. Which was also cheaper by a whole dollary doo than what I paid for the Chat Pile CD.>>131865570Cryptopsy during the Lord Worm times is a prime example. You can definitely tell he was an English teacher!
>>131865595Why the fuck are you actually paying for Chat Pile you mentalist
>>131865612Used copy! A whopping $9!
>>131865645thats still 9 too many lad
>>131865647I might use the CD as a beer coaster. Or shooting target. That's $9 worth of potential right there by virtue of being physical
>>131865658I'm pretty sure you can get a coaster or shooting target for cheaper or literally free
>>131864954How do I escape the entrancemperium?
>>131865241>>Tompa LindbergI DON'T BELONG HERE
>>131865241Cronos is the only one who mattered.
>>131865241>VargAlive and well!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSj6WBI3rgI
>>131865824Except entombed and ATG were actually good and venom were awful diapershit
>>131863383More like Ceiling Jansen
baking a shitty edish to piss off the metal chuds
>>131866019fucking hell you're a slow baker
>>131866123>>131866123>>131866123>>131866123
spoiler: those two albums (yeah yeah one is a glorified EP) will also get 5 stars, I just haven't gotten to them yetthe live album, we will see!
At the Gates are the worst of the Gothenburg bands
