Beethoven the Romantic edition.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnatiQQHgdIThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPreviously, on /Beethoven the Romantic/: >>131905031
Beethoven wasn't a romantic composer. He was THE romantic composer.
>*ruins your 48(1)*
>>131934723I can't recall a single pianist who hasn't other than Koczalski and Hofmann ngl.
>>131934744Rubinstein, Arrau obviouslyThis one might be the worst offender.
>>131934760Both are PEAK vertical. Arrau is especially bad. Him and Pogorelich are the worst offenders.
>>131934874>Both are PEAK vertical.That's what makes them so good.
Anyone who never composed for strings is worthless
More Saint-Saëns. A welcome lighthearted diversion after listening to too much serious germanic repertoire.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFaVbWJ6S9M&list=OLAK5uy_lBr6hW9hSpkOowUZ9s-bB1FGCI5aUAoa4
If four of the five greatest piano concertos of all-time are Rach 2, Brahms 1 and 2, and Beethoven 5, what is the fifth? Mozart 20/23/24? Tchaikovsky 1? Schumann? Rach 3? Bartok 2? Prokofiev 2/3? Beethoven 4? Grieg? Ravel? Give it some thought.
>>131934915Phew so this guy is worthy
>>131934980Brahms 1 and Beethoven 5 are not among the five greatest piano concertos of all-time. Top 10 maybe. But only because there are comparatively few piano concertos.
>>131934980Clara Schumann
Anyone who composed for strings is worthless
>>131934980definitely not Tchaikovsky 1
>>131934980Brahms 1? Lol. Schumann and Rach 3 obviously. Personally, I'd replace Beethoven 5 with Mozart 23 as well.So:Rach 2, 3, Mozart 23, Brahms 2, Schumann. But Mozart 20 and Prokofiev 2/3 are in the same league.
Rach 3 is better than 2.
Rach 1 > 4 > 3 > 2
Bachmaninoff
Children prefer Rach 2 Teens think they're enlightened and prefer Rach 3Wise men listen to all 4, while secretly preferring Rach 2.
Children prefer RachWise men listen to Scriabin
Gods prefer Medtner and Rach
What's wrong with Brahms PC1? Y'all is crazy.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWvuNvTB0wU
>>131935024The top 5 piano concertos are all from Mozart.
>>131934980>If four of the five greatest piano concertos of all-time are Rach 2Bad start, this. Rach 2 is not even top 10. Replace it with 3.
>>131936048You must be 18 to post on this website. >>131935752
Rach 3 propaganda is getting out of hands.
Rach is for tweens
>>131936059I've probably stumbled onto 4chan for the first time when you were still eating dirt. Go back.
>>131936317Got any cool Vietnam stories?
>>131936342>this nigga pretends to be 70
>>131934874oh it's this faggot
>people unironically listening to that self indulgent Rach 2/3. Ngmi
>>131934980all the five greatest piano concertos are by Mozart (22 23 24 25 27)Mozart's P
>>131936410based
Was Rachmaninoff just being humble when he said Horowitz had a better 3rd and Moiseiwitsch a better 2nd than his own?
>>131936551No he was an insecure suicidal faggot
>>131936551Performers are the real geniuses
>>131934694https://youtu.be/M7cbuXxCSEA
>>131938219>make 2000 year old jazz >call it "classical"saar, nobody is buying it
I'm listening to Rachmaninoff's Preludes!
Bach and before, Schoenberg and after
>>131938299If I met you in real life, I would laugh at you while secretly feeling intimidated.
>make entirely unidiomatic writing>for keyboard of all things>fartsniffers hail it as genius virtuososlophttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/34YYUy34zko
>>131938319filtered
>>131938536I'm not filtered if the writing is just legitimately stupid and this is especially embarrassing since even a toddler can understand the mechanics of playing a piano keyboard. I'm not even talking about the overall diapason here.
>writes the same sonata 12 times over
Beethoven was not a romantic
>>131934694>OP is a massive fucking retard.more news at 5.
>>131939828we know but OP is a contrarian who sucks cocks.
>trifonov cited "wanting to meet latina girls" as a reason why he decided to make a latin american inspired albumdirty dan
I'm tired of this reddit guy showing up in my youtube feed
>styles himself as a classical guitarist>first release is some kind of emo revivalismWhy do modern "classicists" do thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmHK9TFxmbo
The ultimate debate,Schubert's D. 958, D.959. and D. 960vs.Beethoven's Op. 109, Op. 110, and Op. 111
>>131939862there's no money in classical music
Once again, Rachmaninoff's Prelude Op. 23, No. 2 in B-Flat Major has the power to save the worldhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv6llSHrTYU&list=OLAK5uy_kYoloHx-8y70eyiqnp8gvfI-fcszcMoqM&index=11
>>131939842
>>131939852it's just another kike who figured how to game the YouTube algorithm. *cough* hurwitz *cough*.
>>131939933how does he game it? Loki?
>>131939944if I told you I would have to kill you.
Kinda lame Prokofiev doesn't have a Preludes, Etudes, or similar cycle. I suppose you could argue that's essentially what his Visions Fugitives is but meh, they aren't extroverted and tuneful enough.
>>131939972nothing is ever good enough for you is it? all you do is whinge and bitch.
>>131939982It's just a way to spark some discussion. pls no bully
Kinda lame I only have 40 quality WTC sets in my library. I need more but whatever, 40 will have to do for now.
>>131939916next edition image just dropped.
>>131939995seek help.
why do all my attempts at making music have to sound like a soap opera soundtrack?
>>131940135post a vocaroo. how bad could it possibly be?
>>131940135Now you understand why the serious composers (ie, non film score) moved on from those old conventional styles.
>>131940135its like you need talent and hard work to make music o algo
>>131940135If you can't be more specific you should listen to music you like and don't like, and try to pick out what you like and don't like, so you can make more informed choices.
>>131939828>>131939832>>131939840Thank you musically illiterate sisters
>>131940964OH NO
Finishing off this Saint-Saëns set.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRR15L2-pf0&list=OLAK5uy_mKXYDoSvrhLGvDBmdGoPyLciGhL8lm2YM&index=5
>>131940162https://vocaroo.com/1cs5GGl6tQ40
>>131941213never post here again.
>>131941404I will continue to post here on a regular basis. Deal?
>>131941213not that bad if it's your first composition ever and you're like 14 I guess
>>131941213what is the theme supposed to be, I can't even tell because its just a mess of sounds. I have a feeling this is a troll but if it isn't you need to seriously think about what you are writing and not just try to imitate what you listen to
’O soooooooleeeeeeee’O sole miiiiiiiiiiiiiiooooooooo
>>131941426before or after I kill you?
>>131941453>I have a feeling this is a troll an elaborate troll by God encompassing my entire existence maybe https://vocaroo.com/1eqPUtuzEly6
>>131941516You are just spamming random notes dude. it sounds like you have 0 experience with actually playing an instrument
>>131941524it's called serialism.
>>131941453>its just a mess of sounds Indeed, I was inspired by my favorite composer
>>131941526Its not serialism, serialism follows rules
>>131941524are you trolling ME? the melody is perfectly fine. Maybe I shit everything up but there is nothing random about that line, in fact its completely diatonic. I'm sure if you isolated a typical Mahler melody you'd wonder wtf is going on as well. Not to compare myself to Mahler, I'm just saying it reflects more poorly on you that you cannot imagine a harmony for this perfectly diatonic boring cantus than it reflects poorly on me for shitting it up.
>>131939605Pic unrelated.
>>131941559Mahler knows what he is doing, he spent years studying the theory before putting it to practice. You can't just ape people like that and expect your music to sound good because you have no idea WHY he places notes where he does
>>131941543>he thinks serialism is not quasirandomOkay, opinion disregarded.
>>131939972At least he has arguably the best broad* piano sonata cycle after Scriabin... after Beethoven.*meaning not just two or three
>>131941591>missing the point this hardthe melody is in D minor, simple as. You can't think of a harmony, that's a you problem.
>>131941609Speaking of piano sonata cycles, Google's AI overview ranks them like this>Beethoven>Schubert>Mozart>Scriabin>Prokofiev>HaydnHonestly kinda based
>>131941616Then add a harmony and come back to us
>>131941634Ngl there's no valid excuse to exclude Chopin ballades and even Scarlatti sonatas in this kind of 'cycle' lists if you're including Scriabin sonatas, other than the superficial titles and arbitrary 'conventions'.
>>131941526incidently I got way ahead of myself and wrote some serial stuff before I even understood basic harmony (which apparently I still don't understand but that's not the point)https://vocaroo.com/1i49b0npGg8uEven did a hexachordal combinatoriality analysis on this bad boy
>>131939862always remember: Being able to play an instrument does not mean you can write good music
>>131939852why are you people so negative, what did he ever do wrong to you
>>131941753This is unironically better than your soap opera music. Not good but better.
>>131941764he's just so unopinionated. He's like Sor Hands but even more blase in his takes.
>>131941753>wrote some serial stuff before I even understood basic harmonyoh my fucking god, and to think people correlate minimalism and this shit because it's 'modern classical'.FML
>>131941769I would attribute that more to idiomatic music being gradually easier to create from the common practice period onward. Do you have any idea how easy it is to sound like Philip Glass or Eric Whitacre?
>>131941783Yes and Michael Nyman. He is the worst offender of all. Basically Einaudi adjacent. Not even classical music at that point
Maximalism > minimalism
>>131941707On the surface, you have a point; there is a certain fuzziness, but you're overstating it. Scarlatti should be included, yes. Chopin's Ballades, not really. I for one think the composer's intent matters; there's a reason Chopin didn't call them sonatas, so I personally believe you kind of have to accept that.As for your point about Scriabin's sonatas, I take it you're one of those people who thinks sonata form is fundamentally dependent on functional tonality. That's a legitimate position to hold, but it's far from being a settled debate. Conventionally, they're accepted as sonatas and routinely compared to other sonatas. Not only that, but musicologists, composers and musicians analyze them in terms of sonata form.And it's not just about superficial titles or arbitrary conventions, unless you think having an exposition, development section and recapitulation AND the composer's intent (naming them sonatas) isn't good enough. I mean, sure, it's perfectly legitimate to think that; there's a debate to be had, but it's not a fact. It may or may not be true, but it's certainly not obvious or self-evident.So I kind of have to go with the consensus here and say that they're sonatas.
>>131941805If sorabji posted any of his "compositions" in /classical/ he would be laughed out of the room. There was a reason he wouldn't cross the street if a symphony orchestra was playing he his music; he knew that it was just schizo ramblings in musical form.
>>131941759yeah but there aren't many good musicians who can't play an instrument well
>>131941822Schoenberg also isn't one, if that's what you're thinking
>>131941707>>131941819On second thought, I'd probably take Scarlatti back too. Sonata meant something different in his time. I view the genre, in the sense relevant here, as something inherently Classical/Romantic, and since Modernism never fully broke with that tradition, I'd include it too.
>>131941796He is barely a minimalist composer, I only really started to talk about that because people were saying that. I don't only listen to Nyman's music, I just like his music.I do agree that he perhaps isn't that close to classical, but saying he sounds like Einaudi is offensive.Even yet, anything even Einaudi makes is better than anything these people can do.Hey dipshit! You gotta know the rules before you break them! Atleast Schoenberg made good music before he became experimental.>>131941805We don't need to fight
>>131941822Yeah sure, but all I am saying is that I've been seeing too many people call instrument players "musical geniuses" as if playing an instrument and composing music is the same thing. I don't care about your stupid musical opinions just because you can play an instrument.While I am on that note, I fucking despise critics and I abhor the idea of "ranking music". Music is something personal and spiritual, it cannot be ranked in numbers or in rankings or whatever, you just cannot do that.
>>131941819Even if we agree that it's not just functional tonality that determines whether something is sonata or not (and I don't really mind), Chopin ballades resemble the sonata form, structure and convention as much as, if not more than mid/late Scriabin sonatas. The exposition/development/recap is present in both, even though both alter that convention drastically.>So I kind of have to go with the consensus here and say that they're sonatas.I'm not saying Scriabin sonatas are not sonatas. I'm saying the fact that they're regarded as sonatas means Chopin ballades and Scarlatti sonatas should be as well, regardless of some composer's unknown intentions - and we have no slightest idea what their intentions were, they didn't write them down. We can only infer from the titles/form, which is hardly enough.>>131941838Scarlatti pioneered the sonata form. Even if it is in its primitive shape, you cannot not call it sonata technically speaking. If you say this trait or that is missing - I will find you the equivalent trait missing in a Haydn or Mozart sonata.
>>131941842>At least Schoenberg made good music before he became experimental.so true. from Schoenberg's perspective his dodecaphonic works in the 1920's were tonal (or pantonal) but by that point his sense of harmony and tonality were so advanced and beyond ordinary romanticism that to the uninitiated it sounds like the sonic equivalent of schizophrenia. S
>>131941609>At least he has arguably the best broad* piano sonata cycle after Scriabin... after Beethoven.hmm based
>>131941753Which Webern piece is this stolen from you THIEF
Schumann may not have had the best broad piano sonata cycle, but he had the best broad (Clara).
>>131941213Listen to the symphonies of Weinberg and Allan Pettersson and see what they're doing differently than you. Very similar sound.
>>131941637https://vocaroo.com/1jtHEb2NEz56I dunno something like this
>>131942415dude, this is me just trying to come to grips with romantic music. Its not even supposed to be 20th century sounding. but thanks for at least not being a complete dick like everyone else.
>>131942492sounds halfway decent. why is there a random thirdless chord in the middle?
>>131942520yeah, I missed that one. Anyway, I guess I have a foundation to work with now at least. Even the worst criticism only impels one to improve.
>>131942409I don't even listen to Webern but there are only so many ways to combine 6 notes (which I'm guessing is the joke?)
>>131942518>Its not even supposed to be 20th century soundingWe can't help who we are.Check this one out,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDiKKQhCYyA
>>131942600I definitely like modern music and want to compose it but just not perpetually by accident. I need to master romantic and baroque and then I can go back to making whatever.
>>131942618I see. Well, I don't know anything about composing so I can't tell you why but it seems like the biggest influence to your piece is the Mahler 10 Adagio or Takemitsu's Requiem for Strings (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boP9bl3FoaE). Which is to say, if you're trying to compose in the romantic idiom, you're already way off-base lol. I say embrace your modernist, contemporary nature, but hey, whatever you wanna do.
>>131942628>Mahler 10That's kind of what I was going for desu
Boghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lvdJRE0L44
>>131942853>preafrican repetitions
>>131942853>4:17WHOOOOOA
now playingstart of Brahms: Symphony No. 3 in F Major, Op. 90https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et5gGZ3ds7U&list=OLAK5uy_lijEEEReyrEng22LoUfanmNcMpi8liKUU&index=10start of Brahms: Symphony No. 4 in E Minor, Op. 98https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFGkg-IeOX0&list=OLAK5uy_lijEEEReyrEng22LoUfanmNcMpi8liKUU&index=13https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lijEEEReyrEng22LoUfanmNcMpi8liKUUone community reviewer writes,>This set of Brahms Four Symphonies is distinguished by its interpretations, performances, and sound. Celibidache gives us profound readings of each symphony. He correctly understands the gravitas of the First Symphony, but he does not allow that gravitas to overwhelm the music. (BUT his EMI recording is even greater!) The Second has never received a more tender performance. The Third is an interplay of moods, and Celibidache reads it perfectly. In the Fourth, I am at a loss for words - almost! This is the only symphony in Celibidache's stellar Brahms symphony cycle that clearly misses the mark. The sound of the set is simply superb and completely defies its age. VERY HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!!!
Let's find out whether the first three movements of the Symphonie fantastique are worth hearing!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYEsCglpGuU&list=OLAK5uy_kO5a55SCu0YGBwfQYN0cbShTLoWJv5iac
>>131942899Holy titties
>>131942899Sobering to think that I will look like that one day.
>>131943235but its the last 2 movements that suck actually>dies irae slop>le spoopy skeletons and ghost chains I can't stand hokey classical like that
>>131943235It's flawed but fun. I should listen to it too.
>>131943235it's the first chamber orchestra I heard in real life, very fun!
>>131943253Only if you're fat and eat garbage. I don't think Hurwitz was particularly healthy and fit back in his youth.
>>131943257>hokeyit was actually terrifying back then tho
>>131943288>Only if you're fat and eat garbageWell...
>>131943235This guy has a long career ahead of him
>>131943308If you're fat and can't even live a healthy life, you deserve no pity.
>>131943349I don't listen to this set often but I'm happy it exists. Uber-romantic, heavy-handed Bach through the lens of Brahms/Chopin.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x4TygVAq98&list=OLAK5uy_ntWwXTj7Yu8J13e6_3qW2ngUraUYzDch8&index=43Gotta love it.
>>131943382>>131943349this guy is so bad it makes Gould sound correct.
Found this neat blogpost from 2009 outlining the writer's recommended favorite recordings for the entire standard repertoire. Could be handy for anyone starting out, anyone looking to flesh out their library, or just anyone curious to see what made the cut for any given piece. Just don't take it to gospel, it's merely some random reviewer! (maybe he's more reputable than I know)https://classicalcandor.blogspot.com/2009/09/basic-classical-collection-on-compact.html>The Basic Classical Collection on Compact Disc (Recommended Recordings)>By John J. Puccio>The following recommendations are personal favorites of mine derived from many years of listening and comparing. I tried to base the suggestions on both performance and sound, so most of them are stereo recordings. If you don't see your own personal favorites among my listed items, it's either because I've never heard them or because I've heard them and didn't care for them all that much.one example,>BRAHMS, Johannes (1833-1897)>*Symphony No. 4:> Klemperer/Philh. O. (EMI)> Blomstedt/Gewandhaus O. (Decca)> Walter/Columbia SO (HDTT or Sony)> Kleiber/VPO (DG)> Reiner/RPO (HDTT or Chesky)> Abbado/Berlin Philharmonic (DG)> Boult/LPO (EMI)
>>131943382well early romantic music is just Bach with fancier rhythms
>>131943455and late romantic music is just Bach with schmaltzy harmony
>>131943235First two movements are pretty good, but the third was a bit of a letdown.
>>131943471and modern music is Bach but on the wrong notes
>>131943519that's my favorite. I love pastoral movements.
>>131943349>>131943382Bachmaninoff
>>131943522and Bach is just Palestrina with endless harpsichord crochets
This is going to sound stupid but is there a place to get terrible midi versions of classical pieces? I find they have a certain charm.
>>131943559>>131943522>>131943471>>131943455Impressionistchads stay winning
>>131943896he wasn't an impressionist. he said so.
>>131943938actions speak louder than words.
>>131942410True but Clara was actually taken by Brahms
I found Cage's (actual) best piece recently. I mean its not great but its better than that second rate Pagodes, In a Landscape. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU5J1kW5CQII guess he had to make ridiculous noises with cacti if he was going to stand out in any way though. Grifters gotta grift.
>>131943349why is this argentinian man slav-squatting
What kind of fuckin' order of pieces is this on the first CD? c'mon...That aside, always fun to discover a new complete set of Brahms' solo piano music to add to the library alongside Katchen, Oppitz, and Couteau. Will it be good? Let's find out.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRopQXOC-pE&list=OLAK5uy_lVlL2-tztOGvPL75EgvBVujTE96PmxBGo&index=1
>>131941945I still think the composer's own designation matters. Without knowing Chopin's own private intentions, I'd argue the fact that he called them ballades and not sonatas is relevant. Nos. 1 and 4 are especially close to sonata form, but I personally wouldn't call them sonatas.Scarlatti, on the other hand, wrote a bunch of very different pieces and now they're all referred to as sonatas, even though some are simple Baroque binary forms, some are multimovement pieces, some are in ternary form, and some are virtually through-composed. Heck, some are even fugues.I guess it depends on what your criterion for "sonata" actually is.
>>131934874What is vertical
>>131944371means they focus more on chords instead of voices.
Schubert.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGt6IS9MxtA&list=OLAK5uy_lvaGlMJTi6oY2X5FRklN9p8vZyrD6N7Q8
>this coverdamn...Anyone wanna try out this highly idiosyncratic George Lepauw Well-Tempered Clavier set with me?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DclbFdWZ1sE&list=OLAK5uy_nniQrC1L5RMdBvF_Sksq_Wwe3Jvq5ZiTQ&index=1>Collectors familiar with the subjective, Romantically tinged 5-CD WTC cycles by Roger Woodward and Andrei Vieru will find Lepauw’s likeminded conceptions more consistently thought out and sustained, as well as sonically superior. Consider Lepauw a fascinating antipode to the straightforward and stylistically grounded Schiff, Hewitt, Ashkenazy, and Koroliov references, with the compelling individuality of Niklas Sivelöv’s extraordinary “48” splitting the difference. ---- Jed Distler, ClassicsToday, Rating: 8; 10
>>131944345Anyway, this whole confusion is why ranking these is even dumber than usual ranking. My brain registers the ballades as sonatas, hell, even 4th scherzo is basically a sonata with mini development before recap.As for Scarlatti, yes, some of his sonatas are just sonatas in name. Whereas some are actually classical period, Haydnesque, CPE Bachesque, Mozartesque sonatas that utilize the sonata form, e.g. K. 9. And plus on top of that, it's a called sonata. It's just bizzare to claim it's not a sonata but somehow Haydn, Mozart and Scriabin sonatas are. It makes no sense whatsoever.
>>131943235First 2 movements are beautiful and wonderful to listen to, idk why people trash them. The 3rd movement I haven't yet cottoned on to, it's a little too placid for my taste.
>>131943938He also said La Valse isn't about WW1 and the death of old Europe, when it very obviously is.
>>131944715Why do the worst movements always have to be the longest?
>>131944754Sometimes a pipe is just a pipe >heheh Waltz goes BRRRRR
how can one be sure it's an accent marking and not a decrescendo which last the duration of a single pitch
>>131943349that’s the look of a man excited he’s about to waste nearly 5 hours of your life
>>131944854Kek
>>131944854Unironically
Is 45 too old to go back to college and get a degree in performance?I just want to meet fellow musicians and maybe hang out and play (perform) music sometimes.
>>131945242There MUST be a better way to achieve those things.
>>131945053>says unironically>the post he replies to isn't ironic (not by modern standards at least) and he also agrees with it; he's not doing that thing where he implies the post is ironic to troll the posterWhat do these people think they are adding to the discourse?
>>131944705Yeah, I mean, it's obviously a dumb ranking and not that deep. I just don't think it's bizarre at all to say that not every Scarlatti sonata qualifies in the same sense as Haydn, Mozart or Scriabin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-if8QiaxiW0...da dada di daaa da...
>>131945268(._. )
>>131944345Scarlatti still used the old terminology where Cantata was a sung piece and Sonata was a purely instrumental piece and that was it.
>>131936410I lowkey agree
Ive never really liked symphonies, what can I listen to that will change my mind? Other than Beethoven because his are the only ones Ive liked so far
>>131946791https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khgNOcwaAHshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRYe6EwWpPQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMhcxi-eoMY
>>131946791all four of Brahms, just go chronologically.
>>131946820>>131946848Thanks. I did listen to Brahms and I liked 4, maybe the rest will click
>>131946791Ignore everyone else, listen to Rachmaninoff symphony no.2, then Mahler symphony no.2. You WILL be converted.
>>131946791Ignore everyone else (especially this guy >>131946963) and listen to Mozart's symphonies nos. 39 40 41 conducted by Strauss.
>>131946791Ignore everyone else (especially this guy >>131946987) and listen to Tchaikovsky symphonies no. 4, 5, 6.
>>131946791Ignore everyone.
>>131946992This. Start with Tchaikovsky 6.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVnF3x44rvU>>131946791Well, what music do you like?
>>131945242Never too old.
>her face when she comes over and I'm listening to Chopin's Fantasie in F minorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lkDymVoVt0&list=OLAK5uy_lwNT33OBR-ei9qAsrj7i7qfmFPXs4toIY&index=9
wtf I like the Emerson SQ now!?!?
>>131943349
>>131946791Berlioz - Symphonie Fantastique
>>131948487>Mfw any movement 2
>>131943426>>131944854>>131948487leave my Barenboi alone!!!
now playingstart of Mozart: Symphony No. 39 in E flat major, K. 543https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0HDc7TX4pg&list=OLAK5uy_lH0bsQs30FuQKwINybFOZC0K0MAZZcBv8&index=2start of Mozart: Symphony No. 40 in G Minor, K.550https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HifloxTvik&list=OLAK5uy_lH0bsQs30FuQKwINybFOZC0K0MAZZcBv8&index=6start of Mozart: Symphony No. 41 in C Major, K. 551, "Jupiter"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnTjn1YsXHc&list=OLAK5uy_lH0bsQs30FuQKwINybFOZC0K0MAZZcBv8&index=9https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lH0bsQs30FuQKwINybFOZC0K0MAZZcBv8>These are beautifully cultured performances in which every detail falls naturally and effortlessly into place. Gunter Wand takes great care in matters of balance and phrasing, ensuring maximum clarity (for example) in the polyphonic thickets of the “Jupiter” Symphony, and making sure that the finale of Symphony No. 39 sounds like a series of clearly articulated melodies rather than a mad scramble for the finish line. Trumpets and drums always tell, although they are never as prominent as in some of the more aggressive period-instrument versions, and important woodwind lines never get buried. Repeats are minimally observed, which bothers me not a bit, particularly in the finales. I can imagine some listeners preferring a more punchy approach, but Wand’s concern for shapeliness never lapses into mere fussiness or affectation. Along with excellent playing and very fine, German radio-engineered sound, these performances certainly will satisfy anyone who enjoys “big band” Mozart on modern instruments. ---- David Hurwitz, ClassicsToday, Rating: 9; 9
https://youtu.be/iFOqX3JGERo
>>131948527I've always loved this onehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6d5Y9BurLQ&list=OLAK5uy_lpKwxBO6Bqg1j0XWaajsXFcTAsRVY4_1w&index=2Especially when the 'drop'/famous theme hits at 2:29
If Schubert was so good, why doesn't he have a violin or piano concerto?
>>131948654There's a few good ones but generally they suck. This one is good
Scriabinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t7CtaYhwdM&list=OLAK5uy_mnNpQCY370Ht2Xw1zGHOJsFo-yiN5Eucs&index=63
I love franck's violin sonata
why listen to any impromptus other than Schubert's?
>>131948704violin and piano concertos are kitsch garbage. schubert mastered the string quartet and the sonata, the most important forms of composition.
Literally all you need
>>131949874Well post their names, dont gatekeep
>>131949971Brahms, Wagner
>>131949079Outside of coming across Chopin's, Scriabin's, or Faure's when you're either doing a complete solo piano works set listen or it's included on some mixed program recording, there isn't, really. Schubert's towers over the entire genre. You listen to the others and you think "oh these are nice" but with Schubert's it's "now these are masterpieces".
>>131949971Ravel, Debussyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8aM1_ugYu4&list=OLAK5uy_mf8AKPBWF5KXmASboFLbIcqZsCW_4hrCc&index=3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWpU-kXLXko&list=OLAK5uy_moN5zgGJuo2UOrzlw-WxmqEi4dqiw6Zwc&index=1
Going to the opera today... can you guess which one?
>>131950056woodbird: wagner and strausssiegfried: every other opera composer
>>131948704Concertos were either made to order or for occasions. It could be that Schubert simply never had the opportunity. Mozart never wrote violin concertos after the 5 he did at 19.
>>131950095>Hello! Welcome to Beethoven Burgers, how can we help you?>Yes. I'll take one Archduke and three Razumovsky's. That Mass, what key in that in?>Mass in C.>Yes, I'll take one of those as well. Thank you.
>>131950102Telemann's Tacos has a larger menu albeit.
>>131950127True, but along with Schuberto's, it's the only classico-romantic fusion joint in town!
I really like Beethoven's Mass in C, idchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzPXhf7tqpo&list=OLAK5uy_k-Sk0iqLHG3C6I9T9gKYXQ5_qJrguV6ZM&index=2
I don't like Sonatinas, sounds too ethnic.
>>131950015Thats not wagner lol I know what he looks like
>>131950056Chappell Roan really lost her curves, damn
everytime I tried watching the ring cycle I ended up getting board 20 minutes in and doing something else
>>131950439There's nothing inherently wrong with being a philistine, but you sholdn't brag about it.
>>131950439I'd say watch one act at a time but that'd require you to last more than twenty minutes. All you can do is try again at a later date.
Beethoven.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Brvs-bzBWpQ&list=OLAK5uy_lc6umkNxcKmn6NXM1-ifEKisWcu2udWz0
How can I find more old spanish guitar music like this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4SyxvOiQjY
>>131950164It is very cool, Bateman. But that's nothing. Listen to this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XPfLB1zDYw&list=OLAK5uy_kF3nY27dpfgAFLeOqDSuGMDGrreh7PEv0
>>131950593Yes, Mozart's Great Mass in obviously better. I'm just saying Beethoven's Mass in C gets an unfair rep.
>>131950439Now you know why he said this. Greatest quote of all time.
Dvorakhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H5twBCqbOo&list=OLAK5uy_kCXQY33tt3j6zqu6wxEz5CbHNhooiAizo&index=1
>tfw you come across a great set of a cycle/work but the final piece/part is inexplicably truncated -- instead of a beautiful ten minute finale, there's only a fifteen second snippetso sad>which recording?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDmOZ1gmEh8&list=OLAK5uy_mpTSAEwx6HJxLK31IG2S_-NO8hGOEZLEA&index=24
*ahem*TRIIIIIIIIISTAAAAAAAAN
>>131950838>Dvorak>is pronounced Dvorjak
>>131951086
>>131951153lel
Melnikov is one of my favorite modern pianists, but why are his covers like this
Like what is this, I can't have this in my library
>>131951347Why not? It's not like you'll ever see the covers.
>>131951347Just be a man and crop a Playboy picture to replace it.
>>131946442But not all of them. He published the first 30 and named them "exercises".
Ludwig van Beethoven - no kidsFranz Schubert - no kidsJohannes Brahms - no kidsPyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky - no kidsMaurice Ravel - no kidsGeorge Frideric Handel - no kidsAntonio Vivaldi - no kidsFrédéric Chopin - no kidsAnton Bruckner - no kids
>>131952112Bach - 20 kids yet his lineage failed anyway
thread theme song
>>131952174
Opinion on Henryk Górecki. NOW
>>131952308Haven't listened to anything of his yet.
>>131951347lol don't worry, they released an alt cover for it. Thank God too, because Melnikov is pretty good, even great.
>>131952308639 ratings on Amazon is undeniably a hit.
>>131952308>>131952538>Chuck, Chuck! It's Marvin! ...your cousin, Marvin Berry? You know that new sound you're looking for? Well, listen to this!>https://youtu.be/Vpx2GjUHKB0&t=481
Mahler 3, "Gaia"Mahler 4, "Ascension"Mahler 5, "Funereal"Mahler 9, "20th Century"Mahler 10, "Memories"
So what's the verdict?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCMQTbv0YIQ&list=OLAK5uy_nWXNMCBo4MWFmlqozSFLoDtPJn8reb5nI&index=1
>>131952112Buxtehude - kids HAHAHAHA
>>131952943'20th century' and 'Memories' are fucking retarded.
>>131953073I'll give it a listen today.
>>131952112Wow half of those were literal incels.
>>131953285Inceldom and greatness or sexhaver yet creatively impotent
>>131953285actually it's four faggots, three volcels, one incel, and one philanderer.
now playingstart of Franck: Violin Sonata, CFF 123https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fhwgp4-jJds&list=OLAK5uy_kkCTtjzG-V7MzhwwFPugaMec91r2ptATU&index=2start of Debussy: Violin Sonata, CD 148https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTMSYEtjD_Q&list=OLAK5uy_kkCTtjzG-V7MzhwwFPugaMec91r2ptATU&index=6Chausson: Poème for Violin and Orchestra, Op. 25https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfQnT4--q2I&list=OLAK5uy_kkCTtjzG-V7MzhwwFPugaMec91r2ptATU&index=8https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kkCTtjzG-V7MzhwwFPugaMec91r2ptATUPoor Radu Lupu, gets excluded from the album cover.
Franck's Violin Sonata has the power to save the world
>>131952112Bach - 20 kids
>>131953430with skin like that who needs a yellow piss label.
Gorecki's third symphony is proof anyone and everyone can learn to enjoy singing in classical music.
>>131953334who is who?
We are living in interesting times. Full Disclosure is happening.https://youtu.be/OxIS1ql_Tz4
>>131953525>Circus music
>>131953524Faggots: Tchaikovsky, Ravel, Handel, VivaldiVolcels: Beethoven (I don't buy his sob story about "muh class differences". he was just an autistic fuck obsessed with music.), Brahms, Chopin.Incel: Bruckner (this one should be obvious)Philanderer: Schubert.
Tannhauser overture for piano (arr. by Liszt, performed by Cziffra)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5k_A0jHplE&list=OLAK5uy_kGb11Kl42fuBpmplEj8Lpvq_T99oVNO2c&index=1
>>131953558Beethoven was incely and Schubert was bit of a chud.Would've thought Ravel was the Philanderer. But don't know much about his love life.
>>131953558I thought the gays claimed Chopin?Or was he a gay volcel?
now playingstart of Mozart: Piano Sonata No. 7 in C Major, K. 309https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPXvsy6goPw&list=OLAK5uy_k2D2B5DAD7wug2JfqeMEZ2XXWQxH5jPjs&index=20start of Mozart: Piano Sonata No. 8 in A Minor, K. 310https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5iUea4wVDo&list=OLAK5uy_k2D2B5DAD7wug2JfqeMEZ2XXWQxH5jPjs&index=23start of Mozart: Piano Sonata No. 9 in D Major, K. 311https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp_LjPQesbU&list=OLAK5uy_k2D2B5DAD7wug2JfqeMEZ2XXWQxH5jPjs&index=26start of Mozart: Piano Sonata No. 10 in C Major, K. 330https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmuNvjvwrb8&list=OLAK5uy_k2D2B5DAD7wug2JfqeMEZ2XXWQxH5jPjs&index=28https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k2D2B5DAD7wug2JfqeMEZ2XXWQxH5jPjs
>>131953430everybody wha chung tonight
>>131953508Singing is the worst part in it though. The simple melody is the best part. It's a masterclass in exacting the full emotional power from a simple melody
>>131953641Homos really want to claim him but he wasn't gay. Those letters were just brotherly love.
>>131948806>Alexeev
>>131946791Personally, I like my symphonies melodious and bombastic. For that, check out Dvorak's 9th, Tchaikovsky's 4th, Borodin's 2nd, and Mahler's 1st. On the more programmatic side you've got Berlioz' Symphonie Fantastique, Strauss' Alpine Symphony, and Grofe's Grand Canyon Suite (basically a symphony in all but name). Since you like Beethoven, check out Brahms' 1st, it's very Beethovenian.Mahler is a world all his own. Once you've properly absorbed the 1st, listen to the 5th. From there, I'd recommend the parallel paths 4->2->3->8 and 6->7->9->Das Lied->10.In the 20th century, we're spoiled for unique and original takes on the symphony. There's a whole universe of these, just listen to what Dave recommends https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t72-LrDGuuA. One I would recommend that supposedly is very Beethovenian is Shapero's "Symphony for Classical Orchestra".
>>131953558I like to believe that Ravel was a straight incel like some sources say. As one myself, I completely resonate with Gaspard de la Nuit, which I believe was written to express his feelings about being one.
Sigmund Romberg:19 minute condensed version of the comic opera ‘Desert Song’ by Sigmund Romberg. It’s considered part of the Viennese opera movement of the early 20th c.https://thumb.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b8/Desertsong.jpg/250px-Desertsong.jpg?utm_source=en.wikipedia.org&utm_campaign=parser&utm_content=thumbnailPlot: Pierre acts the weakling to his father while his alter-ego is a rebel bandit who helps the Riffians to fight against the French imperialists.
Redditors think that Dvořák's 9th is too basic for their cultured taste
Romberg-https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8vsZ_l4pW_o&pp=ygUTVGhlIHJlZCBzaGFkb3cgMTkzMg%3D%3D&ra=m
>>131954646Redditors will still try to find something in Dvorak and there is just nothing there
>>131954022Fine! Lettberg it is.
>>131954640Same ngl. That and Sonatine just speak to me
damn it is raining hard outside. y'know what that means, right? chopino's nocturnos. which set? let's go with abbey simon's.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZVdypWuiFA&list=OLAK5uy_k-HTZfyTRuzrHCiLZ9dFHPZ76miwlarv0&index=1
>>131952168u stoopid?
Just got back from a performance of Die Zauberflöte. Pamina and the Queen of the Night were great, Tamino was pretty good, everyone else was alright I guess. The staging was of course ridiculous, but the libretto is also pretty ridiculous so I'll let it slide. They had some artsy stuff going on where there were a kid and a teen Pamina in addition to the real one but I didn't really get what they were going for.
>>131955023What on earth were they going for, Little Mermaid meets Raggedy Ann?
>>131955896Your guess is as good as mine.
>>131955023>>131955979Better to be ridiculous than antiquated in their eyes, I guess.
>>131955023Boiling opera down to spectacle has been a disaster for the medium
>>131943382>romanticAgain, nothing about it is romantic. Feinberg is romantic. Barenboim is thoroughly modern.
>>131956317Great music has always disguised a weak libretto, but bloated or gimmicky staging/art direction can really distract from great music.
>>131954755
>>131943382>barren goyim>romanticLolLmaoRoflKek even
>>131956704haha :)
>hissssssssssHey! Turn that down!
Come on bake a new one.
>>131957161There's still some slices of bread left on this one. Ten more after this post.
Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU8JgvIrSz4&list=OLAK5uy_mZVDQp-vlpwsJEmJnTCCDGYNauSChlGe0&index=8
Favorite pieces for a rainy day?
confession: about 70% of my high regard for Charles Ives' second piano sonata, "Concord, Mass., 1840–60" is a result of the dope name.
>>131956546Sick quote usage.But I don't get it. Aren't the only three complete Scriabin sets Lettberg, Alexeev, and Ponti? And I've heard the Ponti one sucks, so what's left?inb4>don't do complete sets, build the composer's discography piecemeal
>>131957297I feel the same way about The Celestial Railway.
>>131954646lowbrow>dvorak 9 is incrediblemidwit>dvorak 9 is mediocre, sentimental tripehighbrow>dvorak 9 is incredible
>Preludio & Fuge:/>Prelude & Fugue:)>Praeludium & Fuga:D>Präludium und Fuge:O>VorspielO_O
>>131954646can confirm (saw an amazing performance of it live with a friend who was a literal redditor, and said pretty much you accused him of lol. He said he much prefered the Gershwin played before it.)
>>131958331Gross. Gershwin is fine but I would sacrifice his entire existence and that of his bloodline for just one of Dvorak's late symphonies.
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>>131958140>Prelude & fugD:
the vagner meme
>>131952112Good.
