Mozart editionhttps://youtu.be/FBYwNFaNjAoThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>131958356
>>131983359Wagner is the apex.Wagner is the be all and end all.Wagner is the creator.Wagner is the destroyer.Wagner is the end.Wagner is the finale.Wagner is the greatest.Wagner is the holy grail.Wagner is the infinity.Wagner is the judge.Wagner is the king of kings and lord of lords.Wagner is the light.Wagner is the message.Wagner is the nexus of the universe.Wagner is the overman.Wagner is the peak.Wagner is the answer to Ives unanswered question.Wagner is the revelation.Wagner is the sign.Wagner is the truth.Wagner is the upper limit.Wagner is the victor.Wagner is the will.Wagner is the x-factor.Wagner is the yin and yang.Wagner is the zenith.W
Hard pills to swallow:1. Wagner raped your mind2. Wagner raped your mind3. Wagner raped your mind4. Wagner raped your mind5. Wagner raped your mind6. Wagner raped your mind7. Wagner raped your mind8. Wagner raped your mind9. Wagner raped your mind10. Wagner raped your mind
pbuh.
Wagner was a gay little sissy and his muzak is repulsive
>>131983425tough talk coming from a basement dwelling tranny who'll one day cover the concrete floor in piss and shit as he's dangling with his neck tied to the ceiling fan.
>>131983359greatest editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pfd7M2JbX_oMozart>introduced sonata forms to the opera>developed a highly original synthesis of the tragedie lyrique and opera seria in idomeneo>integrated polyphonic techniques into sonata forms>developed a number of sonata-rondo hybrids>bastardized variation form and sonata form (slow movement of the final f major quartet)>greatly expanded the role of woodwinds in the orchestra, to the point where the winds in his later piano concerti come close to being a third agent separate from the soloist and orchestra>wrote the longest and densest sonata form before beethoven's eroica (string quintet in c major)>extremely fond of chromatic suspensions, sometimes resulting in sonorities foreign to tonal music (whole-tone clusters in the c major haydn quartet's introduction, suspension chords in the winds in the development section of the 40th symphony)
now playingMozart: Fantasia No. 3 in D Minor, K. 397https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymk7_-xsGMc&list=OLAK5uy_njAF2CsqDnOaMEiGlO5gf3jiLWBKiQnbA&index=2start of Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 20 in D Minor, K. 466 (Cadenza: Beethoven)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Y-1_WjhST8&list=OLAK5uy_njAF2CsqDnOaMEiGlO5gf3jiLWBKiQnbA&index=3Mozart: Fantasia No. 4 in C Minor, K. 475https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYBBV82u61Y&list=OLAK5uy_njAF2CsqDnOaMEiGlO5gf3jiLWBKiQnbA&index=6Silvestrov: The Messenger (For Piano and Strings)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYMpq9V0Z7c&list=OLAK5uy_njAF2CsqDnOaMEiGlO5gf3jiLWBKiQnbA&index=7start of Silvestrov: Two Dialogues with Postscript:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_30gsQkW7c&list=OLAK5uy_njAF2CsqDnOaMEiGlO5gf3jiLWBKiQnbA&index=8Silvestrov: The Messenger (For Piano Solo)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_oTy8SxZLc&list=OLAK5uy_njAF2CsqDnOaMEiGlO5gf3jiLWBKiQnbA&index=10https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_njAF2CsqDnOaMEiGlO5gf3jiLWBKiQnbA>“The Messenger” from pianist Hélène Grimaud, is a curiously programmed and executed album. Taking its title and inspiration from a piece by the contemporary composer Valentin Silvestrov, Grimaud juxtaposes his “Dialogues with Postscript” with two fantasias and a Concerto by Mozart, creating two highly contrasting musical sequences... As in most of Grimaud’s latest “concept albums” for Deutsche Grammophon, the vision and programming show creativity and ingenuity; the execution is relentless and ultimately exhausting, which disappointingly prevents something so curious from being as engaging as it could be.from this review,https://theclassicreview.com/album-reviews/review-the-messenger-helene-grimaud-plays-mozart-and-silvestrov/Interesting program! Grimaud is consistently good, so worth checking out. Wikipedia describes the contemporary Ukrainian composer Silvestrov as postmodern and neoclassical.
No one talks about Liszt anymore
>>131983759rightfully so
>>131983759Once again, listening to his Annees de pelerinage piano cycle at least once a week is recommended for optimal spiritual health.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuiwjTiGHdE
>>131983759Because he's trash.
Listening to "Music for the Theatre" rn and really liking it. The quiet parts are especially beautiful. What else of his do I listen to? I've heard and loved the Dancy Symphony and the Vitebsk trio, I've got the 3rd Symphony and Appalachian Spring planned. Hoedown from Rodeo is also great fun.
>>131983759He was a hack, he barely even wrote his own music
>>131983759Liszt was hot but then he got old many such cases
lol look at this guy
Befahl ich dir, für den Wälsung zu fechten?
>>131984301all of his chamber works. Also the original chamber ensemble version of Appalachian Spring
i submit that the violin-concerto-within-a-serenade k.250, named Haffner, is, in fact, mozart's earliest masterpiece - not jeunehomme k.271.https://youtu.be/eHTMsblOQnA
I get the ick when I hear the same mateiral on various compositions by the same composer, hated that on Schnittke, noticed it on Saariaho too, although Saariaho does it on purpose (see her comments here about reusing material https://www.musicandliterature.org/features/2014/9/22/a-conversation-with-kaija-saariaho) I still, for whatever reason, dislike it a lot, something on me thinks it means the material is less worthy for whatever reason, anyone ever had some experience like this?
>>131985702Yeah I totally get it, I hate when someone does that. There's this one opera composer who reused the same material in four operas in a row. Biggest hack I've ever seen.
>>131985702>I get the ickdo you think any of the smarter users on this general are gonna read the rest of your post after that?
herr motzarthttps://youtu.be/S-r73OeVXs0how did he do it??
>>131985755Leck mich im Arsch
>>131983759I fall asleep to his music.
>>131985755I used that on purpose so retarded people who are affected by prose rather than the semantics get triggered over it, you're welcome
>>131986324sure you did
This is indeed the single most compact greatness composed in history of music. Its greatness exceeds every symphony, opera, string quartet or sonata ever conceived by anyone.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK4z0iM-VxU
>>131986880whatever man
>>131986880>62/2Correct.
>>131983493Best complete recording of Mozart's string quartets?
>>131986979Quartetto Italiano
>>131983359https://youtu.be/clRnOtG8Ac4
>Street Fighter the Movie astroturing /classical/
>>131983759I was cumming rn listening to thishttps://music.youtube.com/watch?v=U9zm6pXdP-w&list=OLAK5uy_lK9XBVpCvVE-49PUfITeINK9z_19PM_tM
Goodnight, /classical/.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtFxpnBhLLg
Rhapsody in Blue.
>>131987974https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuOp-mA8ClA
>>131988307meant for >>131988255
HOLY SHIT this is bad. What was he thinking
>>131984301Listen to the three volumes of orchestral works released by Sony.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrL492RM4sc&list=OLAK5uy_nwwMiL-8O1CJ1AWaDqpqCC5Cupp07frEY&index=1
>>131985702>Variations on a Theme by Brahms>composed by Brahms
>>131988517Yeah, Distler has it as one of his reference recordings, so I've given it several tries, but I always end up turning it off within 15 minutes.
>>131986880https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcJi1x53MyU&list=OLAK5uy_kLJ3zh48Q3kXLe_qu1rJGin5szuJx45AI&index=20ruined or improved?
>>131988635I should've stopped the moment I finished the opening Aria. The horror
>>131988708Try this article if you're looking for new GVs to tryhttps://theclassicreview.com/best-of/bach-goldberg-variations-the-best-recordings-part-3-piano-versions/
>>131988758MMM maybe I'll try his ECM version next time I listen to the Goldbergs.
What do we think about HH (Hilary Hahn) here?
What do you listen to besides Classical?
>>131989047Too mechanical for my tastes but on the whole fine.>>131989196I listen to rock/pop whenever I go out on headphones. Better for spacing out, thinking, and walking. At home it's just classical though.
>>131983359Mozart PC 9 is still my favorite thing this nigga has ever done
>>131989196Latin music. it's the next best tradition after classical.
What's /classical/'s opinion on pianist Elisabeth Leonskaja? I always see her sets pop up on Amazon whenever I'm looking for a new set for Schubert or Mozart.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQLFxAWlIhE&list=OLAK5uy_nCJFqYASoJAXebc2SD80MQud5YK6mZwDA&index=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz2_YTqE-kg&list=OLAK5uy_lqBWgcO2qiSphyIiJbCAmLbfVPgvzWXG4&index=4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4_QeFThxGE&list=OLAK5uy_n9WUvV1wlAYx7Gig-hT8iMn1O0Q8UY6cA&index=41
>>131986979I’m not sure. The Quartetto Italiano rec is solid, it’s a shame the Vegh Quartert don’t have more released because their Mozart performances are unrivaled. >>131989196Roy Orbison and jazz standards mostly
>>131986979Not that anon, but I like Alban Berg and Alexander SQ the mosthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=443UPVNcB-o&list=OLAK5uy_k_JO4UKxrpkWRrtwOcf6QE3nqbU2XvG8I&index=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1b4a6WAQEU&list=OLAK5uy_nXWNl69ejVeka-PgHhK8IgB3zAIT4Wds0&index=14
>mfw Beethoven's Choral Fantasyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DUCF6Te5i4
>>131990762that kitty gasp image broke your mind.
>>131990790It's just so good! And makes me laugh whenever I see it. Sorry.
>>131990794You are like my mom on facebook
>>131990803I don't have time to find a new reaction every time. It's enough effort posting new recordings here.
>>131990762Haha - I like that image!
Tetzlaff's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ugyaCUx1yc&list=OLAK5uy_lxahg59eGJTrcKrmEMnW2FCEjy0jxR8FI&index=15
Schumann's solo piano music is so weird for me. Sometimes I love them, sometimes I can't listen to them for more than a few minutes. There's nothing else in the repertoire like them though.
top 5 violin-piano duo sonatas>franck>beethoven 9>brahms 1>prokofiev 1>ravel 2
Going to a concert tonight. Happy halloween eh
>>131991066>gross fugewww
>>131991066Looks like it'll be a great time!
Where should classical/art music go in the 21st century?
>>131991280If we had the answer, we'd be composers.
>casually mogs most Classical musicHumiliation ritual for classicfags
>>131991322So is it just over?
>>131991358...no. I meant you should see what composers are making today, or ask them.
>>131991354Do you really think this is impressive to do in a post Schoenberg world? Lmao you learned nothing
>>131991363Schoenberg's wiki page seems to have been written by one of you cucks lmao
>>131991363Gybe are post-minimalism which is like 2 eras after Schoenberg's serialism
Wagner sucks cock.
>>131991791>gets raped.
>>131991322you'd be surprised by some of the people who lurk here...
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAe-SLkvdYI
>>131987005>>131990565>>131990585Thanks, lads
>>131991280Nowhere. Culture is dead. Everything is a museum, a corpse. Stay in your ivory tower and enjoy while the world burns.
>>131991280AI, definitely. No, not in the way you think at all. First, models need to learn to actually generate music (we already have this, it's practically indistinguishable. It will only keep improving). Second, the models need to learn to actually compose music on sheet (work in progress), but this will take time because, much like for other benchmarks, it will need comprehensive approach to master form and emotional narrative - which are by far the hardest I imgine, as opposed to counterpoint and harmony. And third, if we actually need the second step that is, I think it would be useful for AI to learn to 'read' sheet music in real time, as in, follow orchestral scores like midi but more expressively. So it needs to be trained on sheet/music together as well.So this is precisely where music "should" go, learn to code and make the real progress if you want to be productive in classical music.
>>131992085God, I hate techfags.
Where do I start with Schonberg?
>>131992195gurrelieder>>131992085shut your cock hole stem slut.
>>131992195Just listen to Gurrelieder and call it a day. Never touch any of his string quartets unless ofcourse you want neurosis. W.
>>131992085>>131992218>gurreliederSounds nice so far, when does he start hitting random notes. I was told this was the final boss of music or some shit
>>131992222What is this obessesion with atonality?
>>131992222from Schoenberg's perspective his dodecaphonic works in the 1920's were tonal (or pantonal) but by that point his sense of harmony and tonality were so advanced and beyond ordinary romanticism that to the uninitiated it sounds like the sonic equivalent of schizophrenia.here's a useful guide:1894 - 1898: Pastiches of Brahms and co1899 - 1905: attempts to Synthesize Brahms, Wagner, and Impressionism.1906 - 1909: Extreme Romanticism. Lots of dissonance and chromatic wandering.1909 - 1922: Free "atonality"1923 - : 12-tone serialism
>>131992233Thanks. I guess I should start by familiarizing myself with Brahms and Wagner before moving on to get the full experience.
>>131992152>>131992209No one asked for your opinion, pathetic luddites
Where do I start with Wagner?
>>131992241you should also look into Max Reger and Franz Scmidt. They're basically what Schoenberg would be like if he didn't jump off into the deep end of chromaticism and dissonance.
>>131992252slit your filthy fucking throat, tech-faggot. anyone with even the remotest sense of culture absolutely despises you and wants to use your dried out ripped off skin as toilet paper.
>>131992256Don't. Just don't. Stay away. This is not music, it is insanity and I am not even joking or fooling around. I am dead serious. Stay normal and enjoy some simple Chopin nocturnes or easy sonatas from Mozart and Beethoven.
now playingstart of Ravel: Piano Concerto in G Major, M. 83https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0piZ2knujpA&list=OLAK5uy_lpEsc44G9KS3cOnHk_MrBkZ2u3zhkNVBs&index=2Ravel: Piano Concerto for the Left Hand in D Major, M. 82https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KjoPFFh_SE&list=OLAK5uy_lpEsc44G9KS3cOnHk_MrBkZ2u3zhkNVBs&index=5Ravel: Fanfare for "L'éventail de Jeanne", M. 80https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBb_yLrvmDU&list=OLAK5uy_lpEsc44G9KS3cOnHk_MrBkZ2u3zhkNVBs&index=6Ravel: Menuet antique, M. 7ahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNTvw6G2LoI&list=OLAK5uy_lpEsc44G9KS3cOnHk_MrBkZ2u3zhkNVBs&index=7start of Ravel: Le tombeau de Couperin, M. 68ahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3kTnmXfApw&list=OLAK5uy_lpEsc44G9KS3cOnHk_MrBkZ2u3zhkNVBs&index=7https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lpEsc44G9KS3cOnHk_MrBkZ2u3zhkNVBs
>>131992252No one asked for a retarded techfag's opinion either. Curious!Now bugger off and create some worthless slop for your masters.
>>131992283Luddites never fail to amuse me with their seething and ignorance.
>>131992323Oh but someone actually did, but in your case, unfortunately, no one did.
>131992324(you)
>131992328(you)
Always my pleasure to make luddites seethe uncontrollably
>131992366(you)
Might be a dumb question but why is it that so many great pianists could only master playing certain composers but suck at others? Shouldn't the skill be able to be transferred over to being able to play anything?
>>131992403Not true. Cortot and Hofmann excelled at every single composer they touched. It's just that pianists you're thinking of suck in general and have no redeeming qualities.
>>131992403refuted by Marc Hamelin but I'm not sure if extraterrestrial cyborgs count.
Prokofievhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnoigJQNcpk&list=OLAK5uy_nLYm7boUpyBxKQGyS8qnBYl5Iwdm8Xunw&index=33>Matti Raekallio’s Prokofiev sonata cycle was among the very first Ondine productions to reach these shores, and it immediately established the label (and the pianist) as major players in the classical music market. While everyone will have a favorite performance of the individual sonatas (names like Graffman, Richter, Pollini, and Gavrilov come readily to mind), these versions withstand comparison to just about any others. Raekallio brings out the steel in Prokofiev’s percussive writing, particularly in the great wartime sonatas Nos. 6-8, but he also knows how to relax into the music’s bittersweet lyricism without losing crucial dramatic momentum. Now conveniently packaged in a single box, this three-disc set may just be the finest complete survey of the sonatas available. [11/10/1999] --- David Hurwitz, ClassicsToday, Rating: 10; 9
>>131992403I think it has less to do with skill or technique and more to do with interpretive vision and heart.
>>131992455>interpretive vision and heart.a.k.a. skill and technique.
>>131992510...no. The notes and music are coming out exactly how they intend it to. The result just sucks.
>>131992519>are coming out exactly how they intend it to.That doesn't mean they have skill and technique.
>>131992529isn't that what skill and technique is? You can play the notes on the sheet?
>>131992533Absolutely not. Anyone, and I mean literally anyone with functioning fingers can simply play notes on the sheet. Skill and technique involves much more than just pressing the keys.
>>131992552>Anyone, and I mean literally anyone with functioning fingers can simply play notes on the sheet.At a proper tempo? No.>Skill and technique involves much more than just pressing the keys.Again, that's where the artistry comes in.Anyway, this might be the most pointless discussion I've ever gotten into here. Pure semantics. We have no beneficial truth we're pursuing here whatsoever. I'm done replying on it. Good day.
>>131992565>At a proper tempo? No.Oh, so no we added tempo too, great. You moved goalpost but at least learned something. >Again, that's where the artistry comes in.Whatever you're implying by "artistry" is not mutually exclusive with skill and technique, dumbass. Raphael would not be worth shit if he didn't have the skill and technique.>this might be the most pointless discussion I've ever gotten into hereIt might be the most significant because I see you're still ignorant of how performance actually works.
>>131992609*puts on headphones and stares out the window while you're still talking*I
>>131983359what type of classical music would peak Nietzsche be into?
>>131992618Sounds like you're just mad that objective standards in performance actually exist.
>>131992625Scriabin
>>131992627If you want me to say that if the pianist is only playing one note per second, then they aren't properly playing the piece, then yeah, you got me. But just because there are erroneous ways doesn't mean there's only one correct way. Think of it like translating literature. There's undeniably wrong ways to translate a passage, but that doesn't mean there's only a single objective correct answer either, there's a range, and therein lies the art of interpretation. Can we move on now?>>131992625>"At a certain place in Beethoven's Ninth Symphony, for example, he might feel that he is floating above the earth in a starry dome, with the dream of immortality in his heart; all the stars seem to glimmer around him, and the earth seems to sink ever deep" --- (From Human, All Too Human)>In Untimely Meditations, Nietzsche noted that before Beethoven, music was tied to steady, permanent states (the Greek ethos), and "it was only with Beethoven that it began to discover the language of pathos, of passionate desire, of the dramatic events which take place in the depths of man."And Wagner. So anything heroic. He also loved Schumann and Bizet.
hot take: none of Mendelssohn's symphonies would rank in my top 50
>>131983359i never realized how zesty wolfy looked. and feisty.
Lieder ohne Worte is better than any keyboard work Schumann ever did
Reading this autobiography where the writer says she frequently had Aaron Copland over at her place for dinner parties. Neat.
Mendelssohnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cdzQKHeOeE&list=OLAK5uy_lh5ObTxf424ogwXRQ1zMb2K2pKIF9Tc5o&index=34
>>131992678>Can we move on now?No we can't.You're not making a coherent point, 'one note per second'? What? We already mentioned tempo, if that's what you mean here, yes. Tempo is just one of the things that require skills, but it is technically one of the easiest to master as opposed to, for example, voicing: controlling how loud or quiet you play specific voices in complex contrapuntal passages takes much more effort and technique to master than flashy tempo. >There's undeniably wrong ways to translate a passage, but that doesn't mean there's only a single objective correct answer eitherThere are more wrong ways to translate however, and only a handful correct answers. Furthermore, many, maybe most passages have very obvious "objective" correct answers.
>>131992828*moves on*
>>131992785Fantaisie Op. 18 is better than any keyboard work by Mendelssohn, Bach, Handel, Scarlatti Mozart, Haydn, Schubert, Clementi, Beethoven.
Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmcQXOEb4oQ&list=OLAK5uy_nqTazW7EUGDu6r_5IpRPF2aId7zcuh6tc&index=1
>>131992750Makes sense, especially since Mozart wrote 41, Beethoven wrote 9, Brahms wrote 4, and Mahler wrote 10.Mendelssohn is EASILY top 70 though>>131992790did they fug?
>>131992328>no u
>>131992967>Makes sense, especially since Mozart wrote 41, Beethoven wrote 9, Brahms wrote 4, and Mahler wrote 10.Best performances for each?
>>131993074Actually that's just an objective reality! This anon >>131991280 asked for opinions, so I answered. Feel free to point out who the fuck asked for yours?
>>131992625Like women composers probably lol total reddit philosopher
>>131993148(You) asked for it. (You) ask for it every day, specifically every time you feel the need to publicly share your unoriginal, dilettante, thoughts (if you could call them that) for the whole world to see. Alright? Great, now you can fuck off; you're free to go!
>>131993084such a monumental task only fit for one man....
>>131993275what part about nietzsche is reddit?
>>131992625He would have loved Schonberg
>>131993279Didn't ask, still don't care. You lost, now take a shower because you stink.
>>131993275Nietzsche is much closer to Varg Vikernes than to Redditors.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NEdFFGjS7o
Mozart.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfsgfxr-jp4&list=OLAK5uy_m7kvla7W8xOs1fJUDk50tUSuu5nIPy3Mc&index=2
>>131992625Chopin.
https://youtu.be/2Ojhx-cFsJwMany scholars have often argued that regardless of his Christian afflictions, Wagner privately worshipped the god Dionysus or Bacchus in his roman orientation. He was fascinated by the Greek culture, reading countless books centered around Greek Mythos and cities like Ithaca, Sparta and Athens. He saw the German culture in decline, often saying how Jews have modernized and raped the very foundation of art. Beseeched by Bacchus and guided by Odin, Wagner undertook the arduous journey of restoring what he called European music and tradition.
>"Chopin, the last of the modern musicians, who gazed at and worshipped beauty, like Leopardi; Chopin, the Pole, the inimitable (none that came before or after him has a right to this name) — Chopin had the same princely punctilio in convention that Raphael shows in the use of the simplest traditional colours. The only difference is that Chopin applies them not to colour but to melodic and rhythmic traditions. He admitted the validity of these traditions because he was born under the sway of etiquette. But in these fetters he plays and dances as the freest and daintiest of spirits, and, be it observed, he does not spurn the chain.">Nietzsche used this passage to contrast Frédéric Chopin’s mastery with what he viewed as the messy, unstructured decadence of late 19th-century German Romanticism (particularly that of Richard Wagner).
>>131993515>no u
>>131994067You just got fucked so hard that you can't help but keep making incoherent point. Lol.
>>131994166And other hilarious jokes you can tell yourself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKTF47lSvKU&list=OLAK5uy_m7kvla7W8xOs1fJUDk50tUSuu5nIPy3Mc&index=20
>>131994315It is indeed hilarious, but sadly not a joke.
>>131993981he was friends with bakunin
There is a fake quote attributed to one of those french fucks that goes "Wagner is a beautiful sunset that was mistaken for a dawn.” I don't know if people actually thought he was a new beginning or dawn but I do like the metaphor of his music being like a beautiful sun setting on western classical music
I'm new to this general. Are the Wagner posts from one person?
Debussy was right about Wagner.
Rossini was right about Wagner.
>>131994390Yes, mostly.
If a pianist is a total beginner, how long it would take to learn turkish march on piano?
I was right about Wagner.
>>131994412If he were to follow a curriculum, or only practice that piece?
>>131994412Ten thousand hours.
>>131994420He practises that piece on his own. He's doesn't have a teacher.
>>131994435He'd probably get sick of it before he's finished learning.
>>131994443But can you give me an estimate if doesnt get sick playing it? 2 months?
>>1319944522 months is where he'll get sick of it. I'd guess it would take a total of 4-6 months.
>>131994463 i will try to learn it in 2 months and i will post the recording here when i have played it succesfully.
>>131994485Godspeed.
never got the appeal of Beethoven, he is hyped up for no reason
>>131994505Ty
Was gleißt dort hell im Glimmerschein? Welch’ ein Strahl bricht aus der Esche Stamm!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er567FOhHs0&list=OLAK5uy_lmzkBBtY18u8FaOAc6zOGiYYxVr7FCwc8&index=2
>>131994412Hard to say, there are some simple version that can be learned in a day or two if they are fast at picking up stuff. If they've literally never touched a piano before then I cant really guess how long because even finding the notes could be difficult
>>131994540
what's the best recording of nocturne 13? it needs to get THAT moment right. you know which one. bonus points if the performer is not jewish. https://youtu.be/QeH1Dkxsahg this is terrible
>>131994575Chopin was jewish brother, thats why they are the best interpreters of him
>>131994575I hate that this Jew of all people did it best. https://youtu.be/h_vZtpjNKVEand this other Jew comes close https://youtu.be/qVtMzbpSa4Many Aryan performer who got it right please?
>>131994629what the fuck is this pole doing? https://youtu.be/gfQTjNG8t_E
I can't stand performers who make weird faces while they play, you aren't having an out of body experience brought on by the music my guy, just sit down and play
>>131989196Everything made before the mid-90sMostly Jazz, Classic rock from the late 60s, Soul, Folk, Bluegrass.
what is the most powerful pipe organ piece
>>131994942https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exveTEjJa5E
>>131994575as I always say, tons of great ones out there, anonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HAGF715e1s&list=OLAK5uy_k5YYS7DsrOXdvWQlsbYO9pQ_9INk5XAuY&index=13https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVrZftB476Q&list=OLAK5uy_myWMkUNKxUfhwuj59LjCewqYqBXMADN2U&index=13https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mal1rn9UZzA&list=OLAK5uy_l56ekZ1o8S2X-c-DWhYV4xMNE0vVNzJdM&index=10https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-lyxu0NAdM&list=OLAK5uy_m6weSpAMU9zZv_dmJYoDd0XCPDv1XmfWs&index=13
>>131994963never realized this was a pipe organ
Mozart K.515https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGyeFL-KTS8>>131994911what about conductors making weird faces?
is itgroo-moworgroo-moo
>>131995046https://voca.ro/18I8TKPXYL8j
>>131992256ignore the unfunny idiot that replied earlier and try Bohm or Barenboim's recordings of Tristan und Isolde or Karajan's Flying Dutchman
>>131995068Should I be watching the live dramas
>>131995046ignore the european anon, it's groo-mee-yow
>>131995087he was a groomer!?
>>131995077there aren't that many good productions of Wagner filmed on video (lots of bad ones though) so I'd say just read the libretto as you listen
>>131995077You should attend live performances. Alas, Bayreuth is only once a year.
>>131992256This set of Preludes and Overtures, unless you want to dive right into the operas themselves.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtGfwdIb11Y&list=OLAK5uy_lBjfGRzkp2Shl_x8R38xCfzjXAgnl9N90&index=1if you want the operashttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF26mlQyfmY&list=OLAK5uy_kDN-hJrZ6m9oL1i_dfKxmcj00GyY16odc&index=11
>>131995077Just enjoy the music for now I'd say. Then if you like it you can try watching
>>131995108Are the preludes and overtures the best parts? I started listening to the operas but not knowing what they were saying really threw a towel on it
>>131993396Its like the angsty god is dead yada yada
>>131995122I wouldn't say necessarily the best but certainly the most accessible, and for those who don't like opera singing, they'd say it's the best. But yeah, I always recommend falling in love with the orchestral Wagner first, then you go "alright I gotta try this guys' full works" that's when you try the operas.
>>131995122>Are the preludes and overtures the best parts?No.>I started listening to the operas but not knowing what they were saying really threw a towel on itThat's why God gave us libretti.
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now playingstart of Atterberg: Symphony No. 2 in F Major, Op. 6https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDxfnF_ie_E&list=OLAK5uy_nVhNLTEYzmMf9gkbu_GpuLWzLoqIjHMs4&index=2start of Atterberg: Symphony No. 8, Op. 48https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awO61735ScM&list=OLAK5uy_nVhNLTEYzmMf9gkbu_GpuLWzLoqIjHMs4&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nVhNLTEYzmMf9gkbu_GpuLWzLoqIjHMs4
>>131995122Start with Das Rheingold. It is short compared to his other mature operas and unlike those other mature operas has almost no filler.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXUjuxF2oIY
gould gang
I don't know why straight strung pianos aren't commonplace in recording studios. So many recordings are ruined by muddy cross strings
can you all stop trying to get this newbie to dive right into Wagner's operas without enjoying his preludes and overtures on their own first? might as well say missa solemnis or german requiem when someone asks "where to start with beethoven and brahms?" no you start with orchestral firsthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqcUQ4tmQ0g&list=OLAK5uy_lBjfGRzkp2Shl_x8R38xCfzjXAgnl9N90&index=6please and THANK YOU
>>131994540Not impressed by this Wotan.
once again, listen to Roy Harrishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBo8Fh65rZ0
>>131995210>Oh you want to get into this opera composer? Definitely don't listen to his operas!
>>131995248correct, glad you got it
once again, it's pronounced,>groo-MEOW!
>>131995218Well, he's not that bad I guess.
>>131995251>Why yes, I am so utterly retarded I alone am proof God cannot possibly be flawless, how could you tell?
https://slippedisc.com/2026/10/conductor-walks-off-in-mid-symphony/>Conductor walks off in mid-symphony>As soon as the second movement finished, Antonello Manacorda stepped off the podium, and seemed to signal that he was feeling unwell. When he exited the stage, the orchestra sat quietly, and there were hushed whispers and murmurs among the audience. At that point we were not sure if the concert would continue.>After about five minutes, a stool was placed on the podium before the maestro re-emerged, to our collective relief.>The players seemed a bit unnerved by all this, and the first few bars of the third movement had a slightly shaky start. The orchestra quickly regained footing, and the rest of the scherzo-like movement flowed like a meticulously-executed, playful conversation between the strings, winds and brass. Each section danced gracefully, never becoming too heavy.>Then something strange happened. After finishing the second movement (of Brahms’ second symphony), the conductor suddenly stepped off the podium and walked into the wings. He might have mumbled something to the concertmaster Jonathan Crow but he certainly didn’t say anything to the audience. We sat in stunned silence, bewildered. The musicians stayed in their places. What’s going on? Was the conductor sick?>After a couple of minutes, a young woman came onstage to announce that “the performance will resume in a few minutes…” After about five minutes, Manacorda reappeared to general applause, and he proceeded to finish the Brahms without incident. This was my first encounter of such an incident in 65 years of attending live concerts. In retrospect, it was a fine enough performance to be memorable without the extra drama! All joking aside, I wish Maestro Manacorda the best. He’s a fine conductor and I hope the TSO will bring him back in the future.
>>131995419Hmm... maybe he's not that good after all.
I have a friend who lost an eye doing outdoor work for community service. I don't know why he doesn't wear an eyepatch and go by Wotan, he's squandering an opportunity. Squandering!!
Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV965g042Tw&list=OLAK5uy_mZJvdNEl7Lb2kkB5e9Skl02a_LzarJ8MY&index=10
*spams the modernist chord*hehe, I'll take my fame and riches now pls
>>1319949841-3 are fine, but can't replace the two Jews for me.
My father died a week agoPlease give me your most tragic compositions.
>131996608(you)fuck off.
>>131996890I hope you die how he died
>>131996943I hope your IP gets range banned.
>>131996249it's called a tone-cluster, kid.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HUv6w7ZpSY
>tfw listening to The Planets while watching The Planets
>>131994942I would take and post a picture but this is a blue board unfortunately
>>131996977I hope your wife has a miscarriage
>>131996608Beethoven Quartet 14 first movement
>>131997023Favourite planet?Jupiter always lands with me, specifically the middle
>>131996608Not tragic, but the first movement always gets mehttps://youtu.be/IfBWjnBCi2s
>>131997602Marshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j73gYxsxRrs
>>131997602Mercuryhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HID5fYz93B8
What's up with Pletnev? Guy sucks.
>>131998125He's hit-and-miss.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4HL_-6nF5Y&list=OLAK5uy_n14LJhIOHJmYPKdDYMJfihKmdt37znuzQ&index=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkN8h63vd8w&list=OLAK5uy_lEXOM53ZAlVPiZuVmf731UVuu5SjlSrgQ&index=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijox59AJMu8&list=OLAK5uy_kxdsz_gtxEtUr3HKDafKTV-sm7y0K05fo&index=13And then of course there's his work as a conductor. I can appreciate he's always trying something a little different. But yes, I don't know if any of his recordings rank among my favorites. I do return to his Tchaikovsky symphonies often though.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvadb7hLO4I&list=OLAK5uy_m89_r9_jqNcEkiHVUSuZKslPcc9eidggc&index=28
...waaaaar es so schmääääääääählich waaaaas ich verbraaaaaaaaaaaach...
now playingstart of Beethoven: Piano Concerto No. 4 in G Major, Op. 58 (Cadenza: Kempff)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zofG2wP5H0&list=OLAK5uy_nXVvAfKp96hK25LRRiXld0RDiRIZpMWcM&index=11Beethoven: Rondo in C Major, Op. 51 No. 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skkd4J1esyg&list=OLAK5uy_nXVvAfKp96hK25LRRiXld0RDiRIZpMWcM&index=14Beethoven: Rondo in G Major, Op. 51 No. 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvu_hOblJts&list=OLAK5uy_nXVvAfKp96hK25LRRiXld0RDiRIZpMWcM&index=15start of Beethoven: Piano Concerto No. 5 in E-Flat Major, Op. 73 "Emperor"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-kQOfMwyJY&list=OLAK5uy_nXVvAfKp96hK25LRRiXld0RDiRIZpMWcM&index=15https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nXVvAfKp96hK25LRRiXld0RDiRIZpMWcMI always forget these Beethoven Rondos exist.
Between two unfamiliar recordings of a piano concerto(s) you love, would you rather listen to the one with a conductor you like but a pianist you've never heard of, or the one with a pianist you love but a conductor you've never heard of?
>listen to prelude>"Holy this Wagner is the best composer ever">prelude ends and a bunch of faggy operatic singing startsWagner is the biggest disappointment in classical, he had the skill to write good music and he wasted it on dumbass operas
>>131996608Sorry for your loss, anon. Here, maybe you'll find comfort in these:Chopin - Prelude in Ehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkxKCW8nq0YMozart - Menuetto from K. 304https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOl9j0ihr4QChopin - Nocturne in C# https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCahvo6TbRgFauré - Elegiehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiN_g3lvYdMRachmaninoff - Elegiehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCkpIdYlM6IRachmaninoff - Andante from Cello Sonatahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcfkyW_uVBQ
whats up with the bastardized version of Handel's Passacaglia going around that is often falsely attributed to Halverson? Its like a pop version that strips the music of anything that made it good and makes it into 30 second tiktok tier slop
>>132000131>implying Handel wasn't tiktok tier pop in the first place
Ive never been able to listen to Handel after I found out.. you know
>>132000466oh do tell, anon. don't be such a tease.
>>132000490They probably mean that Handel stole melodies.
it's impossible not to steal melodies, there are only 12 notes for crying out loud
>>132000567skill issue. there are also only three dimensions.
>there are only 3 primary colors, chuds
>>132000567Thank you mathlet. There are:144 possible successions with 2 notes1728 possible successions with 3 notes20 736 possible successions with 4 notes248 832 possible successions with 5 notes2 985 984 possible successions with 6 notes35 831 808 possible successions with 7 notes...must I go on?This is excluding octave and range, rests, harmony, rhythm and pitch durations. The numbers become astronomical when you account for everything else.
>>132000671yet people end up using the same melodies and progressions anyway
How do I, in my communist coming-of-age era, deal with the fact that my music taste includes the music of the bourgeoisie (classical)?And on another note, could someone recommend some communist composers?
>>132000689 Yes and no. There are unique melodies in almost every work by every major composer in history. Art of Fugue is a great example of this, every contrapunctus features a different variant of the same melodic shape and builds entire fugues out of them - which shows that pretty much any melody can become something entirely new. But yes, some melodies, melodic contours and patterns often reappear across generations of music, and it isn't surprising that we have affinity towards certain musical shapes as we do for progressions for example. There are clear rules in voice leading that applies to most great musical shapes too. But that doesn't mean someone can't outright steal a melody with little to no changes.
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