Ingeborg Hallstein is 90 years old editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmPrIW1lGLkThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>132043191
Best adagio: Rachmaninoff symphony No. 2 movement III.
>>132076788Certainly better than Mahler's harp plucking kitsch.
>>132076808Indeed!
Rach sucks. Listen to Scriabin.
>>132076888the vermin are not ready for lord Scriabin.
Scriabin sucks. Listen to Medtner.
>>132076921more like mehdtner.
>>132076921Scriabincucks aren't ready for good music.
Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UprRL88Gik4&list=OLAK5uy_kNBdCXCJHNbnqn1wvtuL2xB8iP_1baOZ0&index=3why erasing the PHILLIPS out of the cover
>>132076735here is a chill lute piece for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYzw-Hz2MOc
Mention superior composer (Rachmaninov) without a butthurt ranjesh bringing up lesser composer (Scriabin) challenge: impossible.
>>132077328The Scriabincuck has to show off his (not) superior intelligence to the crowd. He just has to.
I like all of Rachmaninoff, Scriabin and Medtner :)
>>132076888Tolstoy thought so too, kek>...Rachmaninoff went to play his music for Leo Tolstoy, the colossus of Russian culture, whose only response was, "Tell me, does anybody need music like that?" Understandably depressed, Rachmaninoff went to see a hypnotherapist...>Tolstoy, who was notoriously critical of many modern artists and held strict philosophical views on the necessity of "sincerity" in art, was deeply moved. He noted that one could instantly tell from that single piece that Scriabin was a great artist, later characterizing his works as a "sincere expression of genius"
>>132078070>Tolstoy who was Rachmaninoffs biggest heroKwabotc
>>132078176>otcoh, true - chaffing?
When is this thread going to grow up and stop obsessing over third rate romantic piano drivel?
>>132078244Never. You can always go back to plebbit.
>>132078244Rachmaninov isn't that bad. He's prob second rate.
>>132078070Damn didn't know Rach was such a KWAB
>>132078244When is this thread going to grow up and stop being contrarian, calling obviously great composers second or third rate?
>>132078491They have to grow up and start appreciating all common practice period styles first, but that would require good taste, genuine curiosity, and self-reflection.
If Rachmaninoff isn't first rate, then no one is.
>>132076735She doesn’t look 90 years old, she looks younger here
These threads are daily living proof that classical music doesn’t make you smarter or more eloquent or a greater human being or anything like that. Unemployed 20 year old terminally online autists with a vocabulary of 100 words (all of which are memes) can apparently listen to it as well
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKdvwheqedo&list=OLAK5uy_ns-iCSDgwKbL2FUFNlqw6HuBftRACUzk4&index=8
>>132078070>>132078176>>132078477Probably the biggest KWAB moment in classical. Just beating Beethoven scratching out Napoleon's name after the emperor thing.
lil Hilary, Best Hilary:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4AIe4kh7Hk
>>132078623Only you think that is a ‘kwab’ moment as you put it
>>132078574They may be able to hear it, but they are not able to listen to it.
>>132078477Although he was tall, deep down he was a sissy boi;Tchaikovsky was gay but he was the top, an aggressive top;The real chad is Liszt.
are these, dare i say, the best examples of classical?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhgrUgnRcTYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OFHXmiZP38https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GbEAW3I7MEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAywI4Umt94https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T_YtklLyyohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVplIIkJEnshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu9ThJm5HGk
>>132078839love the music in moonrise kingdom
>>132078816This post reads like modern poetry.
>>132078816every word true.
>>132078574>stating the obviousYou are not as clever as you think you are.
>>132079121I'm MORE clever?!Thanks young man
>>132078491Contrarian would be shitting on Bach or Beethoven. Rach isn’t even in the conversation. Shitting on Rach is like shitting on Kenny G or John Mayer, talented but the music is worthless.
>>132079548Holy copium huffing.
Schickele: absolutely last rate. Parody for the musically illiterates. Post prompted by real-life event. Very cheap work.
Well if Beethoven, and Bach are 1st rate than yearh Rach is 2nd.
>>132079958True. Most of his humor is extramusical.
>sees a woman for the first time>cries for his mamaDid Freud ever say anything about Siegfried?
Favorite aria?
>>132076788Tchaikovsky symphony No. 6 movement IV.
>>132076513Honestly kind of a meh performance overall.
>>132080281correct
>>132080278Hmm... can't say I have a particular favorite among the many rightfully famous ones... but among the not-as-famous ones, I have a soft spot for O Isis und Osiris.
>>132080063Not really.
>>132079476>animefagYep, checks out!
>>132079548Thanks for proving my point.
>>132076735what is the difference between a motif and a theme?
>>132081103Anon, leave such silly questions to the musicologists and philosophers.
did y'all peep??https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2lxWo488TA&list=OLAK5uy_krjOoUZoRvl8GpdiejPC1gH8kx0UUSar4&index=6
>>132076735Are there any composers since the invention of the piano that have not written for it at all?
>>132081188an uncontacted composer in the black forest perhaps but I'm not sure.
>>132081188If you mean published music, sure, there's a bunch. But if you mean at all, then probably not, it's just too convenient and useful as both an exercise tool and building block.
>>132081151how can music copyright law be a thing when even the experts can't agree on basic definitions and terms?
>>132081168Stop posting homosexuals with their fag covers
>>132081390Man, I put a lot of time and effort into sharing new recordings with you all. And I love that Nocturne.
>>132081412NTA, I appreciate your efforts anon, truly. You keep this place alive.
>>132081442Thanks anon <3
>>132081453Xoxo
>>132081273the rest of the anglo legal system is like that too. it's a fucking joke.
>>132081273>>132081534That explains the bizarre reliance and deference to precedents.>Hmm, I'm not sure if we can do that... oh some other judge did it one time in the past? okay, ruling standsMakes sense in a game rules kind of way, but when you think about it, is sort of silly.
>>132081412I like what you do, but I don't want the faggy covers though.
>>132081596I don't make 'em.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD46_c7mGfg&list=OLAK5uy_kg2WSEqnkuPUk6HItJ-edtTSfhG-SNjYY&index=21
>>132080278https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ7WFtxlzDM
>>132081103Theme is longer. I'm simplifying but you go: Piece > Movement > Theme > Motif > Bar > Note.
>>132081856idiot.
Dr. Dre - The Chronic IIhttps://youtu.be/pEPus8NXqwA?is=cconNdCdnw1OS1jr
now playingDvorak: Gypsy Songs, Op. 55, B. 104: IV. Songs my mother taught me (Arr. for Cello and Piano by Jan Vogler)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFj15bVhs1E&list=OLAK5uy_m_jpwzb6UZMZLDfuJdPzYUGyIM7Ug1uI4&index=2start of Dvorak: Piano Quartet No. 2 in E-Flat Major, Op. 87, B.162https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQiZuG62RQI&list=OLAK5uy_m_jpwzb6UZMZLDfuJdPzYUGyIM7Ug1uI4&index=3Dvorak: Terzetto in C Major, Op. 74, B. 148: III. Scherzo. Vivace - Trio. Poco meno mossohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iyxa6hVPVk&list=OLAK5uy_m_jpwzb6UZMZLDfuJdPzYUGyIM7Ug1uI4&index=7Dvorak: Piano Trio No. 4 in E Minor, Op. 90, B.166, "Dumky"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeqpdvvTPtc&list=OLAK5uy_m_jpwzb6UZMZLDfuJdPzYUGyIM7Ug1uI4&index=8Dvorak: Humoresques, Op. 101, B. 187: VII. Poco lento e graziosohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozeiOHyBN0A&list=OLAK5uy_m_jpwzb6UZMZLDfuJdPzYUGyIM7Ug1uI4&index=13https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m_jpwzb6UZMZLDfuJdPzYUGyIM7Ug1uI4Lovely stuff.
Schuberthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALHMJE-UOmQ&list=OLAK5uy_lYdpnqkiNC5_YB2tXsSQfig_VMfv1OQNU&index=9
Composers/works that make you do this face?
>>132076888based based based scriabin
>>132082673Piotr Zak
>listening to Nocturne 19 on a rainy day
Love how contemplative Pãrt's music is, I need to give a chance to Feldman toohttps://music.youtube.com/watch?v=H69x14qPHG4
>>132082673Feldman
>>132083482Now try der doppelganger
Oh yeah, this is the real dealhttps://music.youtube.com/watch?v=M466YTlK8UMUnsurprising given my proclivities towards spectralism
Why is there no emotional music?
>>132083670The emotions come from your, not from the music, sorry
Dvorak 7 > Bruckner 7https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCyvLzq-OQU&list=OLAK5uy_kSK2NFPnxuKtS48iBHnBiar7DGNJkt-wM&index=33*runs*
https://youtu.be/2sX07bRCz-Anice Lied
I miss Mozart. I wish he was still alive right now.
>>132084588We know, Haydn/Salieri/Beethoven/Schubert/Chopin/Tchaikovsky.
Gimme German/Austrian composers at their most Italian
>>132084689Any Mozart opera with an Italian libretto.
>>132084689obligatoryhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wTNo5Tz4p4&list=OLAK5uy_kWhld3LK3cCSh5EMzZv0QijUZ62ays4wQ&index=114inb4>>nelsons>kill yourself
>>132084689Early baroque maybe
Listen to Stenhammar's String Quartetshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFRbOmVnYVU&list=OLAK5uy_lI9Ns4klDrcd6iPn90hIPLx23dF8z0LPs&index=9
Thoughts? I like her 29
Just imagine. He wrote this by himself at the age of 20. No father or mother or friend to help him.https://youtu.be/J98BqWRYgNs?si=xsUAKMQIzFz8IPp-
>>132084689Johann Adolf Hasse
>>132080278https://youtu.be/PsObnHYWd9Yalways
>>132085169because most other people have a conscience and would feel disgust at being a degenerate parasite on society who does nothing but play and write music every day. feel free to try and refute my statement.
>>132085353You wish you could be a parasite and write music all day, yet you come to /classical/ and bitch that you can't.
>>132085364so admit that musicians are parasites? glad to see we're finally getting somewhere.
*you*
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZrPO-1WCgQ
>>132085382No I don't. I tried and failed to become one, and I realized it takes an internal skill I don't have to become one. I accept it and appreciate the people who have the will to do it, perform it, and understand it.
>>132085159let me listen to this cycle right quick and I'll get back to you in two weeks
>>132085453you're just as bad as a musician. you have the same attitude as one you useless drug fucked leech. don't even respond to this post.
>>132085528You're cucked beyond belief, and it's sad and horrifying to witness.
>>132083670Emotions are the subjective state of the listener;;;
Wagner.
>>132085353insane babble
>>132085159I like it. It's good enough I may love it someday (which is to say, it's one I plan on revisiting at least a couple times, if not more, eventually -- same with Yu Kosage).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqisCUMAuO8&list=OLAK5uy_mHJiequgo5h2qmRTjG6LJoMVn-aAolmwo&index=13
All these Andreyev interviews with contemporary composers are so comfy, I wish I was an intellectual contemporary composer like those guysInstead of having cool friends to talk about contemporary music i'm stuck here with a bunch of midwits who only listen to the same 10 romantic/classical composers
>>132087115Faggot.
now playingstart of Liszt: Piano Concerto No. 1 in E-Flat Major, S. 124https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQFBfJC5hKo&list=OLAK5uy_k7wzUZ_qFq2NADNxlPcScj127Kw4TOCyw&index=2start of Liszt: Piano Concerto No. 2 in A Major, S. 125https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrRu7mYKN7c&list=OLAK5uy_k7wzUZ_qFq2NADNxlPcScj127Kw4TOCyw&index=5Liszt: Totentanz, S. 126https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtnBHWbaTA4&list=OLAK5uy_k7wzUZ_qFq2NADNxlPcScj127Kw4TOCyw&index=8https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k7wzUZ_qFq2NADNxlPcScj127Kw4TOCyw>Has Alfred Brendel ever made a finer concerto recording than this one? His affinity for Liszt may be surprising given that he’s not known as a flaming virtuoso, nor as a “chord guy,” someone who cares particularly about tone as opposed to line and structure. But his quirky wit and love of the unexpected serves him well here. ---- David Hurwitz, ClassicsToday, Rating: Reference RecordingAs much as I love Liszt, I've always kinda overlooked these two concertos. No more.
>>132087115sigh, fine, link one pls
>>132087136>unironically replying to a creepypasta
If you were to direct Clockwork Orange, who would you choose rather than Ludwig van?
>>132087140>creepypasta>creepy
>>132087475It is indeed creepy that someone spends their time listening to contemporary horror and composers' interviews.
Listen to Sokolov's recording of Chopin's Preludeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEKqzeHo0ik&list=OLAK5uy_lS3KKey6Tnte9UFQ-VZyD8r92BJguSYOc&index=1>Grigory Sokolov’s live 1990 recording of the Chopin Op. 28 Preludes last appeared on the Opus 111 label’s 10-volume “Journey Around Chopin” anthology. It’s reissued again here, with much-improved graphics this time around. I’ve always loved this recording for Sokolov’s untrammeled, personalized pianism and a kind of freedom that seems fueled by creative inquiry rather than unfounded, willful eccentricity. The pianist revels in the music’s unpredictable mood swings while illuminating its harmonic and contrapuntal inspirations like an astronomer who can’t wait to share his latest planetary discoveries. Sokolov milks the A minor Prelude’s still-jarring dissonances for all they’re worth and sprints like mad through the hell-raising B-flat minor and D minor. The etude-like G major, F-sharp minor, and E-flat Preludes rarely have sounded so effortless and playful. Imagine a more intellectualized version of Martha Argerich’s red-hot 1975 DG recording, and you’ll get the gist of Sokolov’s Chopin Preludes. A truly absorbing release. ---- Jed Distler, ClassicsToday, Rating: 9; 9
>>132087506Touché.
>>132087136https://youtu.be/QgxdhPp6_BQ
>>132087607Like all Sokolov, this is one of those love-it-or-hate-it sets. Now, onto his recording of the second piano sonata and Op. 25 Etudes.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfLyjs1pe7I&list=OLAK5uy_mZSWA-Q5V9DubG75Ks4zzYazSU88-RRe0&index=1Always nice to start the day with Chopin!
>>132076735>IngeborgEuropoors have the ugliest sounding names
>>132087913It's a continent, Braxtyn.
>>132087115Just do it, dude. Composing isn't that hard, really.
>>132087607This is so much better than Argerich's. Thanks.
>>132088802Glad you enjoy it!
now playingstart of Dvorak: Concerto for Violin and Orchestra in A minor, Op. 53, B 108https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0QgnEaLcic&list=OLAK5uy_lEscq68Q9pBqSrsb8riApkFGKxGTDjg6E&index=2Dvorak: Romance for Violin and Orchestra in F minor, Op. 11https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13XdwaZ1-oY&list=OLAK5uy_lEscq68Q9pBqSrsb8riApkFGKxGTDjg6E&index=5Suk: Fantasy for Violin and Orchestra in G minor, Op. 24https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WigXY5cYJaE&list=OLAK5uy_lEscq68Q9pBqSrsb8riApkFGKxGTDjg6E&index=5https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lEscq68Q9pBqSrsb8riApkFGKxGTDjg6E>Clear but over-reverberant, boxy recorded sound (that remastering hasn’t improved a bit) does nothing to diminish the musical virtues of these stellar performances. In fact, for many collectors and music lovers this remains the performance of the lovely Dvorák concerto, and it’s probably safe to say that if you haven’t heard it, you really don’t know the work. What makes it so special? Well, first of all, there’s Dvorák’s great-grandson Josef Suk, a superb artist still underrated by many–but my word how he plays! The first movement fairly boils with passion, the tender Adagio soars on effortless flights of lyrical splendor, and the finale really dances.>Karel Ancerl, of course, also makes a substantial contribution, notably in his fresh and always buoyant sense of rhythm, while the playing of the Czech Philharmonic is unbeatable. The fillers, Dvorák’s recklessly pretty Romance and a marvelously fiery performance of Suk’s neglected, concerto-length (and quality) Fantasia in G minor complete a disc that for all its sonic limitations (and the ear gets used to these pretty quickly) remains an exceptional musical experience by any measure. ---- David Hurwitz, ClassicsToday, Rating: 10; 6; Reference Recording
>>132087913>This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical traditionWhat part of 'European' did you not understand?
>>132089070you WILL listen to Tan Dun's Symphony 1997: Heaven Earth Mankindhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABrW8Kal0qY&list=OLAK5uy_laxl617ESowW-LH8Wc5ernazCJDq4lIvo&index=2
>>132089122I'd rather listen to some Kwzliackyska from some random Polish village.
>>132089192But it features Yo Yo Ma
>>132089202>mom jokes in 2026
>>132089262hehe
>>132089262
No but really, Tan Dun is one of China's premier composers. Check out the symphony >>132089122
the last 4 movements of beethoven string 14 mogs the first 3 so much
>>132085759Windgassen is actually pretty good in this... maybe I judged him too harshly...
>>132085759Oh my god the trumpets in the funeral march are ridiculous. Wouldn't be suprised if the guys in the pit went temporarily deaf lol
Brahmshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNvH56Oa7lw&list=OLAK5uy_lO8GqjavV-zFsyS90t8I9NBDLgcxPELiM&index=22
Reminder: Solti has no bad recordings
>>132089650yeah, they're all trash.
>>132089664Give me one non-opera example (not even that his opera recordings are bad, but that opera fans are the fussiest of the bunch and a poor singer can ruin a performance).
>>132089680>opera fans have the most distinguished tastewhy thank you for the compliment
>>132089680https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_tIWWA98us
>>132089704>verticalschizobabble tbqh
>>132089712shit dynamics, shit phrasing, shit conductor.
now playingstart of Schumann: Davidsbündlertänze, Op. 6https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_4XjRwGGCo&list=OLAK5uy_k0ERqIkjY-hcX6nggs1Pi7ubP4RS_odUI&index=2start of Schumann: Papillons, Op. 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAlUOtG7mQA&list=OLAK5uy_k0ERqIkjY-hcX6nggs1Pi7ubP4RS_odUI&index=20start of Schumann: Carnaval, Op. 9https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MteooJ5YM1s&list=OLAK5uy_k0ERqIkjY-hcX6nggs1Pi7ubP4RS_odUI&index=31https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k0ERqIkjY-hcX6nggs1Pi7ubP4RS_odUI>The three works on this recording are collections of short pieces, strung together and forming a cohesive whole - a form which Schumann himself invented, developed and brought to perfection. Davidsbündlertänze (Dances of the League of David) was written after Schumann's engagement to Clara Wieck, to whom he wrote, 'If I have ever been happy at the piano, it was when I was composing these.' Papillons (Butterflies) is the work of a youthful, unfettered imagination, and Carnaval is one of his most popular pieces, a display of both technique and emotion. Boris Giltburg, who took first prize at the 2013 Queen Elisabeth Competition, is one of today's most exciting young pianists, lauded for his 'massive and engulfing technique, supporting interpretations that glow with warmth and poetic commitment' (Gramophone).
>>132076735Y'know sometimes I like some minimalist music, but sometimes it gets too minimalistic.Einstein On The Beach is painful to listen to, knee 1 is good though.
>>132078070useless nigger wars
The only motif in the Ring I actively dislike. It just sounds crass and ugly.
now playingstart of Schumann: Symphonic Études, Op. 13https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIOBdmUbrD8&list=OLAK5uy_kIacYndivE-7B-hdQVXDvfcPymAJhlnpE&index=2start of Schumann: Fantasie in C Major, Op. 17https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_SfH2W864c&list=OLAK5uy_kIacYndivE-7B-hdQVXDvfcPymAJhlnpE&index=19https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kIacYndivE-7B-hdQVXDvfcPymAJhlnpE&si=KyFCRfLdRNo9N-Zo
I gotta admit, as much as I love Scriabin's piano sonatas, I only really know the secrets and understand the structure of the first five. Over the next week, I'm gonna listen to the 6th-10th+Fantasie several times.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ5jAJT_sNs&list=OLAK5uy_lmGKdh-Jd_h-V8Rbuy3SSMoISjyjbp1ww&index=4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpJW87KOBcI&list=OLAK5uy_lmGKdh-Jd_h-V8Rbuy3SSMoISjyjbp1ww&index=5The Chopinesque aesthetic of the first batch just intuitively make sense to me! Plus, of course, there's the whole autistic thing where I almost always start sets from the beginning but don't nearly finish them every time, so I've heard the first four or five easily ten times as much as the latter five+fantasie. Well, no more.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_TU5ShZwBI&list=OLAK5uy_lmGKdh-Jd_h-V8Rbuy3SSMoISjyjbp1ww&index=6https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHGtgZnYE0w&list=OLAK5uy_lmGKdh-Jd_h-V8Rbuy3SSMoISjyjbp1ww&index=7
>>132090449Fantasie is the best thing he ever composed. Listen to that second theme, it's so full of passion. Almost sounds like a Tchaikovsky theme.>there's the whole autistic thing where I almost always start sets from the beginning but don't nearly finish them every time,That's fucking retarded.
>>132090537>That's fucking retarded.Well, it's because when I press play on that first piece/symphony, it's always with the intention I'm gonna listen to the entire thing. But then I inevitably change to something else a couple pieces in, then repeat, repeat, repeat.
>>132090547Yes, we all know of your habits, they suck.
>>132090556Creep.
>>132090556Also, imagine how cool it'd be to listen to all of the sonatas in a single sitting, so you can see the benefit in theory.
>>132090574No it wouldn't. No one, not even Scriabin would do that. It makes zero sense to binge Scriabin sonatas.
>>132090667Then why are they all on a single recording??? Checkmate.
>>132089439first movement is the best though
>>132089466Windgassen IS Siegfried as far as I'm concerned. The only ones who even come close are Lorenz, Aldenhoff, James Cox, Edward Cook, Helge Brilioth, and Goldberg like a third of the time through the cycle.The rest might sing well, or even better than all of these, but they don't enbody the character.
dude are they ever gonna add Chamayou's new Mendelssohn Songs Without Words set to YouTube Music??? come on man. I know sometimes some streaming services pay for exclusivity for a set amount of time, like that recent Luisi Ring was only on Apple Music for months.
now playingstart of Schubert: String Quintet, Op. post. 163, D. 956https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq3WTi9wQyg&list=OLAK5uy_kCoBjh18rWTeH0J8olA_NUkd4sIcax8og&index=1start of Schubert: String Quartet, D. 703 'Quartettsatz'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfdHrEZhuJI&list=OLAK5uy_kCoBjh18rWTeH0J8olA_NUkd4sIcax8og&index=5https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kCoBjh18rWTeH0J8olA_NUkd4sIcax8og&si=C0THxPjamQXhIYtq
We agree Perahia has the best Goldberg Variations, yeah?
>>132091998It deserves a place on any shortlist but to name any one recording as the best for such a well-trodden masterpiece is silly.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOyrwu68olk&list=OLAK5uy_k6pt0hUWPnZwQa5LzUqDt_MHuz5zzDqpg&index=10There's so many great ones!
>>132091998Feltsman
>>132091998Gould (1981)
>>132091998Nikolayeva is my favorite
post vocaroos imitating glenn gould
I love Babs but wtf is this album cover
>>132087115Same, same.
>>132093672*staccato playing**quiet humming in the background*done. no vocaroo required.
Angela Hewitt's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOALKYO7bzU&list=OLAK5uy_mew7jhNlDEffD-0ESex9d6Cp87Y1XmYfk&index=13
>>132094127Tryna capture that eurotrance crowd
>>132094427Kino cover
It's my favorite time of the month: starting a new Beethoven piano sonatas cycle :3This time, let's go with Bavouzet's.No. 1 in F Minor, Op. 2 No. 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbdvQ9j6HXY&list=OLAK5uy_lSiE0ScU7ZotnHCk0TjUTp7JCPHapQlpE&index=2No. 2 in A Major, Op. 2 No. 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGGi6SKNtV8&list=OLAK5uy_lSiE0ScU7ZotnHCk0TjUTp7JCPHapQlpE&index=6No. 3 in C Major, Op. 2 No. 3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcXFWQBpqsI&list=OLAK5uy_lSiE0ScU7ZotnHCk0TjUTp7JCPHapQlpE&index=9https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lSiE0ScU7ZotnHCk0TjUTp7JCPHapQlpE&si=FqAXPfqQdSMhcWw1
In honor of Blomstedt (RIP), here is the ultimate debate.Staatskapelle Dresden (rec. 1975-1980)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9vfZWHe_s8&list=OLAK5uy_kZSWihYITz0xdD9NoyLkYGZuIOCKegvYQ&index=5Gewandhaus (rec. 2014-2017)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qgrFNEkw_E&list=OLAK5uy_kaqFqUByp_CNFNtepboUe6DTxa0p0yztI&index=9The former is in the traditional, grander, majestic mold, whereas the latter and newer one takes inspiration from HIP and combines into a third-way approach with faster tempos (as accurate to the metronome markings as possible), taut lines, and prioritizing energy over gravitas.
>>132095243both are utterly redundant
>>132095416That's a weird way to spell essential.
>>132092362Man, every time I try Feltsman's Bach I'm bored to tears, but guess I can give him another shot if a fellow anon here loves him.
>>132095421i guess we need a beethoven symphony cycle from dresden, it's just a shame that it's conducted by the unremarkable blomstedt. it should have been kegel instead. as for leipzig, we already have the set by chailly, who is a better and more interesting conductor than blomstedt in every way.
sooo...which is Beethoven's worst symphony?
>>132095750>it should have been kegel insteador otmar suitner.
>>1320957789
>>132095778all of them except 3, 5, 7 and the first three movements of 9
>>132095778The Pastoral (duh).
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjHhrsolh3w&list=OLAK5uy_lUOdeFhmrBKANwc9NnS9IPCv07MbCqN5w&index=27
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0v-UgQyYJ4B-b-but /classical/ told me Barenboim is a verticalslopper?
Feels like a Walküre evening.
>>1320957788
>>132095810Correct
Okay, so what's the best Chaconne (Bach violin partita D minor)? I'm a little surprised my favorite is still Nathan Milstein. I guess it's all about finding the right balance between faithful and characterful, but Milstein's leans slightly characterful.
>>132096757James Ehnes (2022)
>>132096354This Siegmund is decidedly second rate.
>>132096757https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzyheU9DH5E
>>132096757Grumiaux
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXyS-ednXzYmy favourite recording of all time, my favourite composer of all time, my favourite piece of all time.
Been stuck listening to Poulenc's sonata for 2 pianos the last couple of weeks. Anyone else itt love it?
>>132097619Pretty sure I've never listened to it.
>>132096757https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udBKPGcW52I&list=OLAK5uy_liRUebivbIbuqkIwxvW7Wh5Qk-yi9tAik&index=21
>>132097150Embarrassing desu
>>132076888I know, I know, everything sucks. This is /mu/ after all.
>Everything good sucks. Listen to something that sounds like shit.Thanks for the heads up, /mu/.
mahler be like "what if i wrote another piece about death???"
>>132097619Poulenc is the best Frenchman
>>132097876Mahler's symphonies aren't "about" anything, that's just your interpretation.
This is by far the worst board when it comes to discussing music.
>>132097876>>132097896>The Third Symphony is Mahler’s hymn to the natural world and his longest work. It was largely composed in the summer of 1895 after an exhausting and troubling period that pitched him into feverish creative activity. Bruno Walter visited him at that time and as Mahler met him off the ferry Walter looked up at the spectacular alpine vistas around him only to be told: "No use looking up there, that’s all been composed by me." Mahler was inspired by the grandeur around him at the very deepest level of feeling and also by visions of Pan and Dionysus. In fact by a sense of every natural creative force in the universe infusing him into "one great hymn to the glory of every aspect of creation", or, as Deryck Cooke put it: "a concept of existence in its totality.">To deliver a convincing performance of the Third I believe the conductor must do two things before anything else. Firstly, in spite of the fact that the work falls into Mahler's "anthologising" strand, along with Das Klagende Lied, the Second and Eighth Symphonies, the overriding structural imperative linking the six movements must be a pattern of ascending steps based loosely on the evolutionary ladder within broadly-based Pantheistic cosmology. In these terms the six movements are:>1] Inorganic nature summoned into life by Pan, characterised as summer after winter>2] Plant and vegetable life>3] Animal life>4] Human life represented as spiritual darkness>5] Heavenly life represented as childish innocence which, when combined with 5, brings>6] God expressed as, and through, Love.>Mahler’s original titles for these movements were:>1] "Summer Marches in">2] "What the Meadow Flowers tell me>3] "What the Creatures of the Forest Tell Me">4] "What Night Tells Me">5] "What the Morning Bells Tell Me">6] "What God Tells Me"
>Ein Wälsung wächst dir im Schoß!How would you react?
>>132097150no this is betterhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3ZMpv9CnZk
Mahler would be better without all the choral stuff
>>132098159
>>132098159hate to embarrass you in front of your girl and kids but if you don't like this movement you might not be humanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V42NLvK1_Rg&list=OLAK5uy_k72uNikNRN_CYd0szXReGr0pI8weVYjvk&index=22
>>132096354Final verdict: pretty good, but nothing special.
oh so THAT's that scary choral piece they play in all the movies and tv shows
>>132096354>>132098720>>132096819https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xBSoQLasyw&list=OLAK5uy_lt_0WVSpg6_XWYhd-ZnYElze73ieBHp7M&index=41
>>132098819You make a good point. The Krauss is a once in a generation masterpiece compared to this.
>>132098869kek you got me
Strausshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikAO1NPzwpc&list=OLAK5uy_nP7HwC6Tw7NDj4GSpXJ1-n1qux8ovSISM&index=1
Is Scriabin actually good? Or just a forced meme?
>>132099092Any composer of acclaim and renown is worthwhile. So yes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K27VtLCyT6UListen to this recording, fall in love, become a Scriabincel. many such cases
>>132099092He’s a middling C+ to B- composer
>>132098806I thought it was Ligeti
>>132099108There's nothing recorded from the 21st century?
>>132099489Oh that's just one album everyone loves. But yeah, plenty of 21st century Scriabin recordings.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVUJRwGT9uM&list=OLAK5uy_lJyY0QXbTsCn2dKYC_KO6Mc3lPrdtw5vc&index=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9t6macpOko&list=OLAK5uy_mb_WfS0l5k0IJqCNmL9otkOsFqwNTkgOk&index=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCGDwFRdztk&list=OLAK5uy_lx84nLbrV-vFcieAQfmeQnXO2RGLseIe0&index=3and of course don't sleep on the symphonies (second movement because the first is only 0:54 seconds so kinda wasteful to link that)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTvV1HJUrgQ&list=OLAK5uy_lx84nLbrV-vFcieAQfmeQnXO2RGLseIe0&index=26and of course, for a complete sethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obyzikzDt5k&list=OLAK5uy_n-DRos36zZydaTNVxBsWaCXuTAfGIaGVo&index=13enjoy!inb4 the hiss sister rages about Lettberg
now playingstart of Brahms: Concerto for Piano and Orchestra No. 1 in D Minor, Op. 15https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJt08qX9y_0&list=OLAK5uy_kQq-uPWKHyEhka40ksSHkklvc7gEiGIUo&index=2start of Brahms: Concerto for Piano and Orchestra No. 2 in B-Flat Major, Op. 83https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9IZ9wvnjoM&list=OLAK5uy_kQq-uPWKHyEhka40ksSHkklvc7gEiGIUo&index=4https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kQq-uPWKHyEhka40ksSHkklvc7gEiGIUo&si=0SWGDY47VPKmjg4M>Jed Distler, ClassicsToday, Rating: 8; 9
eBeethoven just dropped. What do we think?https://x.com/imjustnewatai/status/2119919644836347926
>>132099863sounds like a parody
Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqfKAymRmkYi like my Chopin deep fried
Classical composers Stevie Wonder is superior to:
>>132100056Scriabin
Hot take: Kissin's Chopin Ballades are superior to Zimerman's. Zimerman still sounds like a piano...Kissin's flow transcends that percussive sound.
Sergey Schepkin's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhxmGgH1tTY&list=OLAK5uy_n2t4Jps7O4lIBdzSjPVNx1-vuQL41sPig&index=47
>>132100193I feel that. Zimerman is too safe for me generally. Kissin does more interesting things.
>>132099863Not surprised they programmed it to do that. Techbros love the idea of classical music, same way they like the idea of chess or philosophy. As concepts.
>>132100413Maybe it's because I'm a violinist and I like more legato. But Kissin actually made the pieces come alive for me whereas Zimerman sounds like standard fare I've heard a billion times even though I rarely listen to Chopin. But pianists practically regard his Ballades as gospel.
Accidentally enjoyed Stockhausen
What's your favorite romantic and/or impressionist string quartet anon?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhN0RRlLhDg
Holy shit
>>132076735Bizet won
>>132100954>no linkAnon, I...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDoJ647OUzo&list=OLAK5uy_lo91L9pfk2pnSxzmSsBwqRi8fazgwgf-E&index=7Anyway thanks, I'll peep.
>>132100666https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVRdDzkWpwshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa1uv6pUMjQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b_rwtDlUXAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiOFD5WCzrwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bj59tGuP_whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jldDh_3fV8whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YAzUC6LzNksorry i got carried away
now playingstart of Dvorak: String Quartet No. 10 in E-Flat Major, B. 92https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO76YawBCio&list=OLAK5uy_kMywGkBdB6b3Qvd81IBwbmPsyng6Hx1Vk&index=61start of Dvorak: String Quartet No. 14 in A-Flat Major, B. 193https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5tKfZUNmW8&list=OLAK5uy_kMywGkBdB6b3Qvd81IBwbmPsyng6Hx1Vk&index=65https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kMywGkBdB6b3Qvd81IBwbmPsyng6Hx1Vk&si=40G7r4OuwlM2eMVm
I've come to the conclusion I actually do not like Belohlavek's Dvorak very much. Gimme Kubelik, Kertesz, Rowicki, Neumann, even Suitner any day (not to mention the many great conductors who only recorded the last three symphonies)!
Mahler 2 > 9 > 6 > 8 > 5 > 3 > 4 > 1 > 7If you disagree well that's just my opinion okay?
>>132102204Favorite recording(s) of the 2nd? And what do you think of the new Rattle/BRSO Mahler 2 that just came out?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCMQTbv0YIQ&list=OLAK5uy_nWXNMCBo4MWFmlqozSFLoDtPJn8reb5nI&index=1
>>132084794Nelsons is too boring to get that angry over. >>132089466It was his best period in terms of a balance between voice quality and experience with the role. His later 60s recordings have him sounding more leathery but he's also quite a bit more settled. >>132091847>AldenhoffHe always comes across as a parody of Lorenz to me. But I agree. Windgassen understood the character very well. I prefer Lorenz overall, but there's no denying Windgassen's expertise. >>132095243I don't really like either. He doesn't go far enough in either direction, they're very mid cycles on the whole in terms of vision, and Blomstedt's facile sense of balance has always been exceptionally boring to me. The sound of the Staatskapelle during that period is lovely, though.If I want to hear Beethoven played with the metronome markings as a basis for the tempo, I'm listening to Scherchen, Leibowitz, Coates, Paray, or Gielen. Even Strauss and Toscanini get quite close in certain works. Fried too, but his recordings are a bit too sloppy for me. I do like the Chailly but I could do without the clipped phrasing (it has the best and most audible antiphonal violin effects though) If I want to hear Beethoven played more freely, I'm listening to Monteux, Schuricht, Mengelberg, Furtwangler, Munch, Markovitch, Weingartner, Dorati, with the occasional Klemperer.>>132096757I like Milstein's earlier EMI one and Heifetz's earlier RCA one (also mono). Busch is up there too. Enescu's is wonderfully shaped and so smart, but it's a very effortful performance because he was suffering heavily from arthritis and intonation issues.A really interesting one is the Spivakovsky, which used a curved bow.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcqkt5OnpxQ
>>132102332That is really cool. It makes the violin sound like an organ almost
>>132102332I'll peep some of those names for Beethoven, ty
Liszthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb-w86vhF3g&list=OLAK5uy_l8Ot8zSwzf8gY0uot9Y3Ke9SlX40be0gE&index=1
Nicholas Angelich's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6B8OIkwz6s&list=OLAK5uy_mntqh85leTLC3JHUgb5w5pJ42KpFg1BCI&index=1>Whenever I have heard him in the past, Nicholas Angelich has seemed like a very heavy-handed pianist. Everything about his playing is strident and confident, not percussive as such; his sense of phrasing and legato is developed enough to avoid that accusation, just heavy. That sort of approach works well enough for Brahms, his recording of the Second Concerto is excellent, but he only has to take it back as far as Beethoven and the textures begin to get swamped by the sheer weight of his playing. When the variations proper begin, Angelich's trademark heavy touch begins to make itself apparent... But musical as it undoubtedly is, I would struggle to describe this recording as subtle. However, if like me you feel that there is too much subtlety in most Bach interpretation these days, Angelich might just be the man for you. - Gavin Dixon, MusicWeb International
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFg8lbHcEqs
>>132098159Mahler's 8th is objectively great though>>132099092i don't particularly find him all that interesting especially when Chopin was leagues beyond him>>132102213Klemperer/Concertgebouw
>>132101265>>132100954Listened to it for 5 seconds. Nope, awful.
>>132100488Yeah, they love the *idea* of things, but are too retarded, tasteless, and untalented to actually do any of those things.
>>132099092He is one of the most colorful personalities in music history, a visionary, a truly first-rate artist, and one of the greatest piano composers of all time, with arguably the best and most varied set of piano sonatas after Beethoven.However, much like any singular artist, he is an acquired taste.
>>132100488>>132104441wtf how did you describe my dad
>>132104486Is he nouveau riche? Curious about the socioeconomics that lead to people posting here.
Mixing it up with some Wagner this evening.
>Mir selbst schwör' ich's.Chills.
Let's see what's new on The Classic Review. Oh, a new Schubert piano sonatas release by Martin Helmchen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-b8hsj-Tzc&list=OLAK5uy_kPfjAvFs70nZ6BjHi2GyfFx8ZMugQUMIY&index=1>Martin Helmchen continues his complete recording of Schubert's piano sonatas, comprising four double albums to be released between now and 2028, the bicentenary of the composer's death. This volume includes Sonatas D. 568 (1817), D. 845 (1825) and D. 625 (1818), the order of the movements of which 'remains uncertain', as Helmchen points out. He has chosen to complete certain movements, drawing inspiration from the eminent pianist Paul Badura-Skoda. The programme concludes with the intense and sombre Sonata in G major D. 894, composed in 1826 and published in 1827 under the title 'Fantaisie'. Like the rest of the cycle, it was recorded at the Kronberg Academy on a Bosendorfer piano.review,https://theclassicreview.com/album-reviews/review-schubert-piano-sonatas-vol-2-martin-helmchen/Seeing as this is volume two, after I listen to this, I'll check out his first volume too, and see what else Helmchen has in his discography.
>>132104480This but Chopin
>>132104480Scriabin's piano sonatas are pretty mediocre once you realize his early works were just him trying to rip off Chopin (and failing), and the rest of them he's just using Sonata form as a crutch to create melodic ideasit's all very formal and uninteresting, and to consider him anywhere in the league of Herr Beethoven is a disgrace
This is your weekly reminder all 32 of Beethoven's piano sonatas are masterpieces.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh3SylPp_68&list=OLAK5uy_m8WnQVcDiZde73ZynldLtdMzRcvu-SGwQ&index=4
>>132106546Anyone ITT actually learned any of Beethoven's sonatas? Which are your favorites?
Can we stop the “Chopin was good” meme?
>>132106633I only ever learned the first movement of the Moonlight sonata.
>>132106724Casio doesn't have that as one of their presets?
>>132106633I learned Beethoven's first sonata when I was taking piano lessons. that was nearly 20 years ago ._.
>>132106850No idea, I have a Roland.
It's raining outside. You know what that means? That's right, Vaughan Williams.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ElGxbp1Dnc&list=OLAK5uy_lgfYXDgbuhCD0GUO9xC8XaxSeP9u79sZs&index=21
Bach's Sonatas and Partitas for Solo Violin really puts almost every other violin chamber work to shame. Violin Sonatas used to be one of my favorite genres! Now whenever I'm in the mood for that sound, I just put on Bach.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHUcR10n1uE&list=OLAK5uy_mbcqn1uT4fYxGxHuPkrD1C-cijX5ge1nc&index=1
>>132106675>implying anyone of note performed keyboard works by composers other than Chopin mainlyChopin was the undisputed GOAT (Greatest Of All Time).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kti06UKEJdkCan we stop "∃ composer better than Chopin" meme? No, but seriously, when's this gonna end? Stop having wrong opinions.
>>132106302Correct.Chopin ran so Scriabin could walk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdZu5z5u_jM
Let's play,How Well Do You Know Your Benchmark Recordings Without checking,1) Hilary Hahn recorded Elgar's Violin Concerto with which conductor?2) Karajan recorded the common Schumann/Grieg piano concerto with which pianist?3) Rudolf Serkin recorded Brahms' Cello Sonatas with which cellist?4) Sinopoli recorded Strauss' Four Last Songs and Wagner's Wesdendock-Lieder with which soprano?5) The Juilliard Quartet recorded Schumann's Piano Quintet+Quartet with which pianist?BONUS) The classic Klemperer/New Philharmonia recording of Mahler's symphony-lieder cycle Das Lied von Der Erde features which two singers?
>>132108361who cares
fyi, there's a new Olafsson. only 37 minutes long, it's a quickiehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u96TWZMS__c&list=OLAK5uy_nvjgNirT1jXZ_AZu7hhScB7WBA60mQCjw&index=1>Continuum II by pianist Viikingur Olafsson features J.S. Bach's original keyboard works, chorales, and new personal transcriptions. Recorded in Iceland at his home studio, Continuum II continues Olafsson's lifelong homage to Bach.
>>132109237This guy's interpretations are how I imagine people hear Gould. Hate his shit.
>>132109237Good post.
>>132109408so he moans a lot and plays staccato for no reason in parts that clearly ask for legato?
>>132109594It's to emphasize the different voices you know
>>132083515>>132083535>>132083639https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1794367817285549.mp4
My favorite instrument is the bass trombone. What should I listen to?
>>132109408You really don't like him? I thought he was a bit overrated at first but I've come to realize and admit he seems to have that special quality of those rare great pianists who can imbue magic into everything they touch. Or maybe I'm victim to the marketing machine and hype.
I love Beethoven's 4th Piano Sonata
>>132108835Scared you don't know the answers!?
>>132110688Not him but I don't really like him either. I'm all for unique pianists and he certainly has a very unique voice, but I just don't find it conducive for the music. It's uniqueness for his sake rather than other way around
>>132110319It's a way to emphasize voices for total hacks like Gould. Feinberg is playing completely legato (even his staccato is continuous, legato-sounding) and he can emphasize voices MUCH better than Gould, I wonder why? >>132110688He is total garbage and you fell for the marketing. Certainly the worst pianist I've had displeasure of hearing.
>>132111133Well said.
Scriabinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rmc0M7heZ5k&list=OLAK5uy_kn9ObtpxjTDkGA0wD4gQuO0IPWZ1Piy-c&index=1(it says Sonata No. 1, Op. 70 but it's really No. 10, Op. 10)
>>132108361jeez usually a few people are willing to quiz themselves, play a little trivia. anyway here are the answers. All recordings everyone ought to have heard at least once, ideally more.
>>132099092Sui generis.
>>132106302This also applies to Chopin, yes, but I would hardly call his sonatas varied. He also only wrote three and the first is mediocre, so he doesn't really belong in that discussion. If anyone does, it's Prokofiev.
>>132106540Did not ask for your surface-level analysis. I enjoy your posts, but stick to Classicism where you are strong. Thanks anyway.
>>132076735https://youtu.be/whacu5M3uzw?t=135What's this piece that's playing, I know it but I can't remember it
>>132112905Pagliacci
>>132112931He's the opera singer, I'm asking the piece
>>132112951I AM FUCKING RETARDED I WAS THINKING PAVAROTTI FUCK ME DISREGARD THAT POST
>>132112967>>132112951https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZCf_q5n6r8&list=OLAK5uy_k-9x8Yiypl0kH_qHl-2VgAVvsxcNdhrhs&index=15
>>132112968How do you search for hidden/unlisted videos like that playlist?Is there any recording of anyone reaching the fabled high D at the end of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIv_0Kj9Gfw
>>132113277>How do you search for hidden/unlisted videos like that playlist?<-----
holy shit Scott Ross's Golberg Variations have got to be the best recording or a harpsichord
I love Beethoven!
>>132113493>In his album booklet notes [for the Goldberg Variations], Schiff famously asked regarding the long duration of the piece: “...hand on heart, can you listen to a harpsichord for that long?”
>>132113581why did you reply with that? are you asking me the same question he is asking?
>>132113607Just felt like being combative. Sorry.
>>132113581Listeners famously asked "hand on the heart, can you listen to Schiff for that long?"
>>132082196A true classic. Couldn't have chosen a better general for this gem.
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>>132113636no worries I was genuinely askingthe answer to Schiff is yes btw, I can listen to a harpsichord for that long
