*invents dark, atmospheric music**invents aesthetic depression*How did they do it?
>>132097609Gets mogged by Bauhaus, but okay.
>>132097865Except Bauhaus are completely inauthentic. JD never needed goofy ahh haircuts and eyeliner to signal their darkness. As a big guy once put it:>you merely adopted the dark; I was born in it, moulded by it.
Martin Hannett, who is responsible for pretty much everything you're getting at aside from Ian's lyrics.
>>132097609>>132097609Bela Lugosi's Dead is more dark and atmospheric than Disorder, which is more of a precursor to Just Like Heaven and Close To Me
>>132097609You're onto somethinfThey influenced atmospheric black metal too>joy division was the main influence on The Cure>The Cure was a big influence on Varg Vinernes>the rest is history
>>132098314>>132097609They were heavily influenced by black sabbath
>>132097609you know I've never even finished this album after all this time
>>132098327Listen to the live version of Day of the Lords, Hannett completely took away the originals Sabbath sounding doom
They took their sound from Siouxsie's Scream album, their bass player said so in an interview.Or was it their drummer? He also said they took the sparse drumming style from that album too.The Cure also got inspired by The Scream.
>>132098607This is really the beginning of that sound which even predates Siouxsie. Listen to Funtime for example
>>132098607Apparently they already had that sound in 1977 when some members of JD saw S&B live and they were playing songs from their upcoming album.>Joy Division's Peter Hook, who saw the group in concert in Manchester in 1977,[56] said about The Scream: "Siouxsie and the Banshees were one of our big influences ... The Banshees first LP was one of my favourite ever records, the way the guitarist and the drummer played was a really unusual way of playing." [57] Joy Division's drummer Stephen Morris said: "[their] first drummer Kenny Morris played mostly toms" and "the sound of cymbals was forbidden", "the Banshees had that ... foreboding sound, sketching out the future from the dark of the past".
>>132098646big ass stretchhttps://youtu.be/N4iksr4RAvchttps://youtu.be/G3OaMZojJRg
>>132098646I can hear it in the drumming but not the melody or riffs.That's actually not dark, it's more like applying a monotonous melodic line to this Motown-style beat, which Iggy used a lot, famously now in Lust For Life too.
>>132098707>>132098714Then try Mass Productionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmmlxVlUz7Y
>>132098753That sounds like a punk band tried to play a Doors song.It has Bowie's experimental touch and Iggy's sparse, sleezy singing.It doesn't sound dark to me, more like grand in a mocking lazy way. Occasionally dissonant, because mah Bowie experimentation had to be expressed in it.I think they were trying to sound a bit like Kraftwerk, to make rock sound weird and robotic.
>>132098753This makes me more convinced The Doors influenced Joy Division.That baritone singing and the uptempo rhythmical style.Add punk's influence which made bands look for the weird, robotic, crazed sound and you get some early post-punk sound.Though it's clear The Stooges with their loose garage rock style had a big influence too.
>>132098779You basically described Joy Division and post-punk in a nutshell and yes this album was totally an influence on that band
>>132098753you should have said that initiallyyou can sort of hear it, but then still the taint of 60s rock tropes permeates this degradationally
>>132097609they were just copying siouxsie and the banshees and iggy pop
>>132098779Nigga what the fuck are you talking about
>>132099923Some stuff.. nevermind
>>132097917Joy Division is only popular cause the lead singer killed himself like a bitchThe Nirvana of the 70s
>>132098714you dont fink most of the songs have a dark vibe? especially lyricallyinstrumentally id say all the songs kinda dark except china girl, tiny girls. maybe dum dum boys too even tho the main riff is kinda forboding a little bit
>>132098840fink its well known ian curtis was a doors fan
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>>132099198Retard I said funtime which fits the mold too for a dark industrial kind of sound
>>132097609to be fair there is basically an entire genre of Joy Division copycat bands in Russia / Eastern Europe
>>132097609Actually that was The Doors
>>132097865>literally only known for 1 song Lmao
>>132100464They probably don't have even one fifth of Nirvana popularity
>>132103874L'America and The End do sound very gloomy for the 60s. Even if LA Woman came out in 71, I mainly consider the Doors as a band with a 60s sound.And in some songs they sounded unusually dark.But it's undeniable that The Idiot was Curtis' last playlist.
>>132097609Their albums suck. They have five really good songs but the rest is not interesting
>>132104048What the fuck are you talking about???? This discussion is who INVENTED this approach to music. Ian's fucking playlist doesn't matter. The Doors were first to the sound.
>>132097609Did Tiktok tell you that? Plenty of artists precede the tshirt band from the middle ages to the post-war age.
>>132104124>who invented emo dark musicThat'd be Beethoven or heck, even Bach
>>132100550It was the 70s, when Kraftwerk was the new sensation for the edgy kids. I think Bowie wanted to make rock sound weird and robotic like krautrock.So the result is more monotonous melodic lines that keep a note longer and then make a tonal jump in a dissonant way.
>>132104329Gesualdo was doing dark emo music in the renaissance already
>>132104406>He is also known for killing his first wife and her aristocratic lover upon finding them in flagrante delicto (having sex).No wonder he was writing sad emo music, his wife was getting railed by a BBC
>>132104443>aristocratic
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>>132104329That's classical, not popular
>>132104329>hasn’t heard Dowland
