Scriabin (everybody's favorite) editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=265xj3_hsxEThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>132076735
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>>132113931>men are weird about female musicians
https://www.arte.tv/pl/videos/123177-000-A/zofia-kiniorska-i-valentine-michaud/A sort of "future is female" concert, but I liked Anne Clyne's Glasslands very much, surprisingly enjoyable. It starts at 50:03.
>>132113937objectively correct statement only disagreed with by life-unworthy loners who can't even befriend women
>>132113950>breaking news, classical music has a long-standing problematic history with misogyny >it's le current year
>>132113894>Scriabinaimless piano noodling. pretty but pointless background musak
>>132113967le wojak
>>132113931>POV: you get cornered at a birthday party by a gay man who wants to talk to you about the feminization of musical instruments
>>132113931I feel like stuff like this has to be funded by republicans
>>132113894>Scriabinteleological piano explorations. beautiful and meaningful foreground music
>Sviatoslav Richter and Emil Gilels looked up to Sofronitsky as their master, and famously, when Sofronitsky once drunkenly proclaimed that Richter was a genius, in return Richter toasted him and proclaimed him a god. Upon hearing of Sofronitsky's death, Gilels was reputed to have said that "the greatest pianist in the world has died."Inclined to think they were correct.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9nDMS8mgR8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-sKBn6dHBwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iYKA8ZLORYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K27VtLCyT6U
>>132114037kek
>>132114138His D960 is still unmatched desu
>>132114138He is the GOAThttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRD78IG4VN8>11:38
Vivaldihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTeMWvf7XgI
Vivaldihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_a-J5M_UKU
"It all sounds the same" is always an indication that a person isn't listening with comprehension. It means they recognize the style but don't hear the notes--like saying "Finnish all sounds the same" when you don't speak Finnish.
Mozart is underrated
>>132114526Correct.
>>132114526Where? By who?
Hoi-hooooooooo! Hoi-hooooooooooooooooooooo!
>Brahms post 1874How did he go 30 years of not knowing a piano should sound to making masterpieces like op. 116-119
>>132114651>30 years of not knowing a piano shouldWhat?
>>132114651late period Brahms is practically a different composer, yeah. Just amazing piece after amazing piece. If you haven't, you should listen to his final compositions, his organ works are amazing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0FhT39zqlQBusoni arranged them for piano toohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnIx0PKMhTM
>>132114526Most underrated works by Mozart?
>>132114716Brahms not making more organ music is a crime. Op. 122 is an amazing set and those few early organ pieces aren't bad either.
>>132114716I've been really addicted to his clarinet works, and string quintets. I'm not the biggest fan of his orchestral works. For that I prefer Franck, Wagner, Chabrier. and the Russian 5 in that department.>>132114741Thanks for the recommendations, I'll listen to his organ works later. Are they as good as Franck's?
>mfw I avoid any performers with Jewish heritage or background.How based have you been today /classical/?
>>132114763I don't like jews either but unfortunately most of the best virtuosi are jewish so I can't abide by this rule
>>132114763There are only three kinds of pianists: Jewish pianists, homosexual pianists, and bad pianists.
>>132114905And me :)
>>132114734Everything from K.271 and on
Beethoven (numero dos).
>>132114905>listening to Jews everGood goy, but Sofronitsky and Michelangeli say hello
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>>132115083https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ujo6z3Js7Os
*listens to all 10 scriabin piano sonatas in one sitting*problem???
>>132115599No? Why would there be?
>>132114138>>132114235>>132114290A hack that pales in comparison to the real golden age masters.
>>132115619cause scriabidi sucks
>>132115795Scriabin is good when performed by Feinberg:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNS2qlFo7U
>>132115786>real golden age mastersSome of whom thought Sofronitsky was the greatest of them all. Curious.
>>132115786We only think of them as the "golden age" because those are the oldest recordings we have. If we had recordings of Beethoven, Liszt etc. we would think that the "golden age" pianists are hacks. So maybe don't go quite as deep when sucking their cocks.
>>132115599Based. Now do all 6 Bartok string quartets in one sitting.
>>132115857Yeah, it's much better to pretend to know what pianists you've never heard sounded like and then declare them superior to those you actually can hear.When you take contrarianism far enough, you eventually reach the retard zone.
>>132115857We think of them as the golden age because they had different artistic sensibilities than modernists did. In a similar way that baroque music sounds different to classical and/or romantic, 19th century performance was homogenous just like 20th/21st century performance was (except for the fact that 19th century performance was also more diverse in *character*, but that's a different topic). I don't think pianists before Liszt were anywhere near close as good as him, excepting a few, but it's reasonable to assume pianists after (the best of his students, whose recordings we have) are as good, if not better than Liszt. You can witness the decline in artistry right after that moment, and that's all we can say for a fact.
Wagner.
appassionata is the greatest piano sonata ever and you can't convince me otherwise
Hahn is a terrible violinist, what a way to ruin Tchaikovskyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Mc1jXhW6i0If you like this, you really have no taste in music.
>>132116004This Mime is... certainly something...
>>132116004Hmm... so far, pretty much everything about this has been sub-par.
>>132116073Is that the one with the fat ass?
>>132116064>you really have no taste in music.But enough about Tchaikovsky fans
>>132116552thank you dilettante
>>132116446I don't even know what that means.
Philip Glass
...sol con queeestaaa speeeraaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaanzaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...
>>132114128Trve
Germans are overrated.Italians are underrated.The fact that no one mentions this proves my point.
Is anyone here a Dave paypig? I want to read 1 article of his that's paywalled and I ain't shelling out for that
>>132117379The biggest crime Italians did was stop writing instrumental music and do op*ra instead.
>>132117623Thanks for proving my point, retard.
>>132117630Well, no shit it proves your point; I'm literally agreeing with you. Are you confused?
>>132113894>>132113894>>132113894Lincoln in the Bardo LIVE from the Metropolitan Opera.> On November 14, the Metropolitan Opera presents a free live stream on YouTube of Missy Mazzoli and librettist Royce Vavrek’s critically acclaimed new opera, based on the award-winning novel by George Saunders. Music Director Yannick Nézet-Séguin conducts the dazzling production by Lileana Blain-Cruz.> American composer Missy Mazzoli arrives at the Met with a bewitching adaptation of George Saunders’s Booker Prize–winning novel. Set in the “bardo,” the intermediate state between this life and the next, the opera examines Abraham Lincoln’s grief following the loss of his son and follows the boy as he struggles to move on to the next life. To tell this otherworldly story, Mazzoli crafts a score that draws inspiration from leading contemporary composers while conjuring a genre-defying sound-world distinctly her own.> This broadcast supports the company’s Make the Met Forever campaign. Every generation needs guardians of remarkable art, culture, and music. The powerful shared experience of opera—with its singular fusion of music, drama, dance, and design—is one of our greatest cultural treasures. Forever starts with you—make your gift today at https://metopera.org/support/make-the...> The captioned stream will remain available on YouTube through midnight ET on November 18.> The broadcast is made possible by a generous gift from The Emiko Terasaki Foundation, with additional support from Ellen A. Michelson and Mr. Jack Johnson.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqtQ162dIqghttps://www.metopera.org/season/2026-27-season/lincoln-in-the-bardo/
>>132117637Not really, you are just proving that Italian opera is underrated.
>>132117689Well that's silly because it can hardly be considered underrated in the context of Italian music when it's all they did from the middle of the 18th century onwards.
>Listen to this shilled thing.>More annoying breathing noises than Goulds humming
>>132117470Oh the amount of times I've considered making this exact request here.
Alexander Scriabin - The Complete Piano Sonatas
>>132118673this but I'm listening to Nuno Cernadas' sethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paJm5BDv2UI&list=OLAK5uy_kg2WSEqnkuPUk6HItJ-edtTSfhG-SNjYY&index=7
>>132117379> Germans are overratedFurther proof Mozart is underrated
Scriabinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11X--hxVX8Emaybe i should learn russian
I was just thinking about Scriabin, Ive heard his piano sonatas countless times but nothing else from him. What should I listen to next by ol' Scrabby
>>132115975>it's reasonable to assume pianists after (the best of his students, whose recordings we have) are as good, if not better than Liszt.Dude we have ample verbal testimony that Liszt is the greatest pianist of all time. Rachmaninoff said Rubinstein was greater than him, Rubinstein said Liszt was greater than him. Enough said.
>>132119538Symphonies1 – Svetlanov2 4 and 5 – Muti3 – Ashkenazy
>>132119595Thanks, ill throw them on before bed
>>132117379Germans are under rated if anything, they are the soul of classical. France is over rated. I don't think there is a single French composer I like from after 1400
I thought the Sokolov Chopin 2 was incredible.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfLyjs1pe7I&list=OLAK5uy_mZSWA-Q5V9DubG75Ks4zzYazSU88-RRe0&index=1
Concertos or concerti?
Is there anything Scriabin can't do?
>>132119995Konzerte.
continuing with Bavouzet's Beethoven piano sonatas cycleNo. 4 in E-Flat Major, Op. 7 "Grand"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2lzd0fw--g&list=OLAK5uy_lSiE0ScU7ZotnHCk0TjUTp7JCPHapQlpE&index=14No. 8 in C Minor, Op. 13 "Pathétique"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYX4IwJDcQA&list=OLAK5uy_lSiE0ScU7ZotnHCk0TjUTp7JCPHapQlpE&index=18No. 9 in E Major, Op. 14 No. 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8hVbd3eBWs&list=OLAK5uy_lSiE0ScU7ZotnHCk0TjUTp7JCPHapQlpE&index=21No. 10 in G Major, Op. 14 No. 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQgr2BnrsMw&list=OLAK5uy_lSiE0ScU7ZotnHCk0TjUTp7JCPHapQlpE&index=23https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lSiE0ScU7ZotnHCk0TjUTp7JCPHapQlpE&si=eXA_cEW2wUgEDXwDWhy not 4-7, because this is the order the set is in. This often happens because it allows them to fit everything on one less disc, and the order carries over to the streaming version.
>>132118959>Further proof Mozart is underratedFurther proof that Verdi is underrated.
>>132119785I think it's incredibly bad. Rhythmic sense is terrible, there's no pulse. Eight notes are supposed to be connected (Chopin indicates slur), meanwhile Sokolov does these weird accents everywhere and the notes don't feel connected at all. And that's just the first theme. Rachmaninoff's is infinitely better:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DanUawbEvXA
>>132118959Mozart is Italian.
>>132119538Listen to this magnificent recording/compilation by Sofronitsky. It features all sorts of Scriabin's miniatures.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K27VtLCyT6U
>>132121102That's a pretty good performance you posted. Perhaps the best one performed by Rachmaninoff you've posted yet! Just out of curiosity, is there any recording for any piece in which you enjoy an idiosyncratic interpretation? Not even prefer over an idiomatic one, but just enjoy?
>>132121238The funeral march in that very recording is as idiosyncratic as it gets while being absolutely wonderful. The return of the main theme is marked in p, Rachmaninoff plays it in double, probably triple forte. I don't think bad playing can pass for idiosyncrasy, as you or other anons here seem to imply. Ghoul is not idiosyncratic, he's just bad at music. It's important to be able to draw the distinction between the two.
>>132121297I'd say Sokolov and Gould are paradigmatic idiosyncratic pianists, whether you like them or not.
Out of 10 best codas ever written, ~8 are by Chopin. How did he do ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRHZRyH_pzU
>>132121565by spending every day browsing 4chan and gooning to threads on /gif/.
>>132121884Chopin was a 4chins groomer?
If I could get everyone (or at least every Chopin fan) to add one recording to their collection today, it would be this onehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2zVSduobA8&list=OLAK5uy_lpgWC38LWZZWUi3t81BjEqoZl1AcSWzmM&index=1>Fourteen years after her victory at the XVI International Chopin Piano Competition, Yulianna Avdeeva documents her journey with the music of Frederic Chopin. Voyage focuses on his late works, all composed while surrounded by nature, and Avdeeva has recorded them at the rustic Tippet Rise Art Center in Montana, against the serene backdrop of the Beartooth Mountains.A pianist of fiery temperament and virtuosity, Avdeeva plays with power, conviction, and sensibility, having won over audiences all over the world. She returns to PENTA-TONE after her acclaimed label debut with Resilience (2023).
>>132122136it's meh
>>132122200Well, thanks for giving the time!
>>132122136I like her Shostakovich Preludes.
>>132122355Yeah fantastic recording with a unique voice.
>>132121001>Verdi is underratedabsolutely truehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg8yuiRUiwc
I was reading something where they referred to a Rachel as Rach and for a moment I read it as Rach as in Rachmaninoff
Do you like Chopin's concertos?
>>132122741Good God, no.
>>132122741They're pretty good, yeah, and easy listens (good for putting on when you aren't quite sure what to listen to).
>>132122741They're some of the best concertos in the repertoire. The only real criticism is its mediocre orchestration, but that's not saying much about the music itself (and pianism), which are undoubtedly brilliant. You can think of them as piano sonatas with orchestral accompaniment (obbligato) rather than symphonic concertos, if that helps.Some days I cannot get them out of my mind, they're composed like Italian bel canto opera AND classical concerto.
Which Tristan und Isolde to listen to today...
>>132122741Good God, yes.
>>132122741I don't like Chopin period
Further proof that Chopin is underrated.
for me, it's Perry Comohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSJ-oT2ZBa0
>>132113985Sometimes thats the point, I want something I can put in on the background and not have to mentally follow melodies
Who is the final boss of classical?
>>132123069sorabji
>>132122741He's my favourite composer. But I hate them.
>>132123069Nothing really matters post Schonberg
>>132123123Not what was asked. Are you austistic?
>>132123137What does final boss mean then? Schonberg concluded Western Classical music
>>132123147final boss means the most difficult challenge to overcome. he's asking who the hardest most advanced composer to get into is. said composer can be from any period if he is advanced enough. schoenberg can actually be considered (though I'd say there are harder composers to get into even in the Second Viannese School itself) but not because he is the last chronologically
>>132123069Sorabji.>>132123082Correct.
>>132122798unfathomably based
Imagine you're talking to someone and when they mention that they've been getting a bit of a cough lately you faintly hear pic rel in the distance. Would you be concerned?
Alkan + Busoni + Reger + Szymanowski =https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PCCGC3nFBU&list=OLAK5uy_mzaiMd1d3Rnnz-_KwGiZ8PmFWJ72OnCBU&index=1Last boss indeed. There's no composer alive or dead that beats this, in purely musical terms (ignoring historical importance, era, personal preferences etc.)
>>132123303I can't read elf runes, what does it say
>>132123347https://voca.ro/1cV2oBSQZLmZ
>>132123303>>132123472No one knows what the fuck this is btw.
>>132113894Based Scriabin sister
>>132113931>bald>glasses>literal neckbeard>smug upspeak>wears blazer over casual fun shirtwhat happened to white men? they used to be warriors.
O que vai nos fazer voltar no tempo é uma música. A musica matematicamente perfeita será aquela onde poderemos viajar a qualquer espaco de tempo.
>>132116004After finishing this, I have to say that describing it as sub-par is actually a bit generous.
>>132123123Correct.
>>132123771>people aren't warriors in times of peacewhat a shocker wow
>>132123828this is a website for white people
>>132124274kill yourself.
>>132123097How can you possibly "hate" Chopin concertos? I would get "I feel indifferent", but hate? No one who genuinely enjoys classical music, and I mean absolutely no one, can hate these:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0jsehMKhSMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz9gAvZheosUnless you're just a tourist, like most of this general (judging by the amount of modernslop fans).
>>132124306you first, Paco
>>132124264>2026>time of peaceare you a member of the religion of peace by any chance
>>132124428are you being drafted into a war or are you not, you meme-posting internet-addicted teenaged retard?
Heard Reiner was particularly proud of this recording. Trying it right now and am pretty impressed midway through. Wouldn't have thought of him as a Brahms guy but very taut, energetic first movement and sensitive yet not overtly sentimental second movement.
>>132123828pprt
>>132124449white men didnt need an official declaration to perform their god-given high T duties, Ranvir.
Sitz ich herrlich am Rhein?
>>132124804what are these "high T duties"? bonus challenge: try not to sound schizophrenic while you explain them
>>132125019still waiting for your response
>>132124366>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0jsehMKhSM>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz9gAvZheosIf these were written by Mozart, they would be praised as his best accomplishments.
>>132125250keed waiting buddy. patience is a virtue.
>>132125258Bait used to be believable.
>>132125258Bait this is not.
>>132124804So go die in a pointless war, you fucking underage retard edgelord. You're completely free.
>>132123472Why is this so familiar? Is it Mahler?
>>132125330Bait should be believableDogma should be defensibleRitual should be repeatableLiturgy should be legibleBelief should be beautifulWhat fulfils these conditions in the decadent modern world in which "God is Dead"? Answer: the holy poetry of Richard Wagner and his "Sacred Festival Stage Play" which transforms and supersedes religion.https://youtu.be/yF0pwSC7qWg?list=PL_Cf5Xxn5OZY1gE9zsWHAjXz6MVz9IZYS
>>132123472>>132125682oh nvm it's Wagner, duh
The ultimate debatehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnESy7gphhY&list=OLAK5uy_niMqJeBhTDA8VOtJTXKn4fd66vwOb5Pas&index=18
>>132125807top right
>>132125807I know the Furtwangler recording is too slow but it really does far surpass any of the other standard recordings.
>>132124804This. God bless.>>132125274>keedBrown hands confirmed
>>132126273Why?
When are we going to update the rentry link, the mega folders have been dead for years
>>132126876please tell me you didn't actually try to use those folders. your computer is probably riddled with viruses.
>>132126913don't scare me like that, I opened Scriabin_Nocturnes_Arrau.exe and CMD opened and closed
>>132126923I will pray for your hard drive.
>>132125807>>132126273Hot take: Goodall's Tristan und Isolde (hell, his Ring too) > Furtwangler'shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxujqo-i4Ow&list=OLAK5uy_nevn2_pvsNVTR3OAVcR_szQLZNEnmFgik&index=1Where's that anon who's been going through all the various Ring cycles at a prodigious pace? Peep this!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu2vfc0ZG6Y&list=OLAK5uy_mdYVkaRn4MBlqY1QfyT8-y-Td23Q73Ibw&index=51
>>132126923:p
>>132126987There's nothing hot about that take, it's just moronic.
>>132127050Hotter than the circle of fire imprisoning Brunnhilduh
>>132126987https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu2vfc0ZG6Y&list=OLAK5uy_mdYVkaRn4MBlqY1QfyT8-y-Td23Q73Ibw&index=51oh so this is what sublimity feels like
>>132125807https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2Il93pSUuE&list=OLAK5uy_k-O-iotRPwUK0ba6Nd3YXcD7-ytSQ9s4c
>>132127094sublime shit maybe
>>132127191peep one morehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gqjCMPDrIQ&list=OLAK5uy_lmMEjSgRUgGJJzS_sLcZ3bf8hCtXoWAXU&index=2
