>if you just want to vibe out to some uncle yacht rock that's completely fine, but can we stop the Steely Dan overestimation in how good and how significant they were?
big dimes tony don’t miss
>>132115074huh? who was better at jazzy pop music in the 70s? They were contemporaneous with Stevie Wonder but apart from him I don't get how it's an overestimation
>>132115074filtered dark progger>I don't "watch" reviews. I read writing. When I'm at the computer I almost never click on links to podcasts or televised news much less criticism, for two reasons--first, reading is faster than listening, and second, I'm continually using my ears to listen to music. Moreover, no one I know "discusses" Anthony Fantano, a name I barely recognized. Glancing over his Wikipedia entry he seems to have arrived at a plausible brand of 21st-century rockcrit taste that runs toward what I'll call dark prog--the godfathering Swans, this year's number one Daughters, on the rap end his beloved Death Grips. But clearly he's broader than that. Little apparent interest in the pop end or indeed tune or indeed fun, however--always a tragic and psychologically revealing lacuna. Nowhere near as insensible to hip-hop/r&b as dark proggers tend to be, but note that very few female artists crack his top 10s, which in 2018 was really missing the action. Fantano seems to have figured out a way to make some kind of living by disseminating his own criticism in the online age. That's an achievement. But until he starts putting it in written language, I'll live without.
>>132115074based af
>>132115250common christgau W
>>132115250MOGGED
Ok but at least they had some good songs. This fag gushed over Geordie Greep
>>132115074Steely Dan are one of the best bands of the 70s with one of the most perfect discographies ever period. Fantano once again proving how utterly retarded he is
>>132115074Don't Take Me Alive is better than every song on every album he ever gave a 10.
>>132115074Lemme guess, he thinks they stole jazz from the black man.
>>132115250light work for the dean
>>132115074He has lost control of the narrative and the conversation around what's popular and he's mad.
>>132115250>luscious locks ChristGOD>>132115074>bald fraud fagtano
>>132115600weird how much he's obsessing over jane remover
>>132115250What even is dark prog anyway?
>>132115600He never liked Steely Dan, that's not something new. I think he's at a point in his career where he has to increasingly play ball for legitimacy and industry access. Can't blame him though. It's still a buisness at the end of the day.
>>132115250>Nowhere near as insensible to hip-hop/r&b as dark proggers tend to be, but note that very few female artists crack his top 10s, which in 2018 was really missing the action.do you want me to run down the list of black and women artist he's shit on?
>>132115250>>132115746This board used to be dark progger central
>>132115746>What even is dark prog anyway?it's a lazy way of saying "I don't like white boys singing how their life sucks over a 10 minute guitar solo."
>>132115250This is the most mild-mannered takedown of Fantano and its still more viscerally brutal than Julian Casablancas and Sam Hyde’s diss tracks combined
>>132115771>do you want me to run down the list of black and women artist he's shit on?Yeah he's a major hypocrite>Pieces of the Sky [Reprise, 1974]>Abetted by Brian Ahern, who would have been wise to throw on some Anne Murray schlock, Harris conducts herself with a pristine earnestness that has nothing to do with what is likable about country music and everything to do with what is most suspect in "folk." Presumably Graham Parsons was clever enough to play off these tendencies or ignore them altogether but as a solo mannerism it doesn't even ensure clear enunciation. I swear, the chorus of the best song on here sounds like: "I will rub my asshole/In the bosom of Abraham." C
>>132115820He aimed precisely where it hurts. Xgau was being surgical
>>132115789>it's a lazy way of saying "I don't like white boys singing how their life sucks over a 10 minute guitar solo."if you seen his column "Elvis Aging Rock" he basically admitted he got into black music because it was a form of escapism and white boy rock whatever hits too close to home a lot of the time and he doesn't like that
>>132115250>but note that very few female artists crack his top 10s, which in 2018 was really missing the actionThis and the Fader article mindbroke Tony
>>132115822tbqh he's gotten a lot softer in his old age. he just throws As at corporate pop sluts that probably would have gotten a C minus in the 70s.
>>132115074Based
>>132115904Tony completely changed his taste and approach after xgau btfo of him
>>132115924I don't like Albini but this was a truthnuke
>>132115920That's not him it was more just the general cultural push in 2010s that you were not allowed to pan stronk women artists.>>132115935That Fantano changed his taste was not specifically because of that it was the general pressure from all directions to change it.
>>132115968Albino was gifted at bantz amd those tweets are legit funny but hes objectively wrong, steely dan rules and he died filtered
>>132116009Fuck 'the Dan'
>Gaucho [MCA, 1980]>With Walter Becker down to composer credits and very occasional bass, Donald Fagen progresses toward the intellectual cocktail rock he's sought for almost a decade--followed, of course, by a cadre of top-drawer El Lay studio hacks, the only musicians in the world smart enough to play his shit. Even the song with Aretha in it lends credence to rumors that the LP was originally entitled Countdown to Lethargy. After half a dozen hearings, the most arcane harmonies and unlikely hooks sound comforting, like one of those electromassagers that relax the muscles with a low-voltage shock. Craftsmen this obsessive don't want to rule the world--they just want to make sure it doesn't get them. B-ha ha he finally realized after eight years that SD were pseud wank
>>132115438Maybe one day the black guys will think he's cool and it will all be worth it.
>>132115074- production and engineeringthe fact that 49 years later, Aja is still used to demonstrate high end music systems tells you all you need to know- lyrics arguably Leonard Cohen/Bob Dylan/Joni Mitchell tier (obviously the highest tier)- musiccomplex and sophisticated; highest tiersignificant
>>132116091there's nothing high tier about Dylan's songwriting. it's just a bunch of crap about jesters that a 16 year old thinks is deep.
lal
>>132116161Gentle Giant really did suck ass though.
>>132116161Lee Abrams was the guy who invented the idea of programmed radio playlists that were geared to be inoffensive and targeted at suburban housewives. The free-form era of 60s radio was over. Although why he uses a Mitch Miller comparison is puzzling because the two really were not at all alike or even involved in the same business.
>>132116274that sounds unfair, but really the music industry has always preferred to have things safe and corporate. there are some times like in the 60s when things slipped out of their control but they were flukes.
>>132116161Distinctions Not Cost-Effective means the artist has a few decent songs but it's not worth digging through their catalog to find them.
>>132115112>huh? who was better at jazzy pop music in the 70s? They were contemporaneous with Stevie Wonder but apart from him I don't get how it's an overestimationIt's interesting because Fagen never really considered himself to be a jazz guy. He has always been extremely vocal about his R&B influences, especially Ray Charles.>>132115250I despise poptimism and Christgau but he's 100% correct about this.>>132115338Fantano probably feels the same way about Steely Dan as he does about Vulfpeck and Snarky Puppy. Steely Dan is a bit different because they had popular appeal and were contemporaries with the dominant rock bands of the era, but the core idea behind each of these bands is essentially just assembling the best pocket players and recording them playing musically interesting arrangements. A lot of band kids and former band kids really gravitate towards this type of playing, and Fantano recognizes this which is why he tries to distance himself from the online spergs who cannot shut up about "the lick" and "butter notes" and Jacob Collier and Adam Neely.>>132115600>He has lost control of the narrative and the conversation around what's popular and he's mad.Fantano associates Steely Dan with boomers like Rick Beato who he hates. He's just incredibly butthurt that he doesn't have any music chops, which is completely antithetical to Steely Dan's mission statement.
>>132116506>I despise poptimism and Christgau but he's 100% correct about thiswhen you have to use made-up phases like dark prog you didn't have an argument to begin with.
>>132116570WIFEUM DIVORCIO
>>132115250>first, reading is faster than listening, and second, I'm continually using my ears to listen to musicThis is why I've always been completely bemused at the popularity of youtubers/video podcasts...I never thought I'd agree with Cuckgau about anything.
>>132116506>Fantano associates Steely Dan with boomers like Rick Beato who he hates>implyingdo your research next time lil bro
>>132116506>It's interesting because Fagen never really considered himself to be a jazz guyuh...he talks endlessly (for him) about jazz, about how he learned to play the piano (listening to jazz), about what he listened to as a teen (jazz), and as a university student (jazz).https://bensidran.com/conversation/talking-jazz-donald-fagenhttps://nymag.com/arts/popmusic/profiles/16453/https://www.allaboutjazz.com/donald-fagen
"Christgau] wasn't reviewing any of the records we were listening to and in general he seemed kind of out of it. For example, he totally ignored the hardcore scene. Yet he was the only critic that everyone in New York read. The fact that he's the one who decided who gets exposed in New York was sort of getting on our nerves. Christgau started getting bugged by people like Tim Sommer, who really wanted to write about us. And Christgau says 'Yeah, I don't see it.' So finally he decided to do an article on us, and he gets this guy named Picarella, and it was a really nasty thing they wrote about us. I wrote him a letter that was a diatribe, and his letter back said that it didn't matter. After that I wanted to do a song about slicing up Christgau, and it turned out to be the advice-to-the-lovelorn 'Kill Yr Idols'. So we put that out and people started digging on it. And I was getting calls from people like Giorgio Gomelsku, who wanted to put on an anti-Christgau festival. My feeling was that we'd said our piece; there was no need to keep attacking the guy. One night he went to see the Replacements and some kid tried to light him on fire. He blamed it on us. 'Bands like Sonic Youth are telling kids to kill me.' he wrote. And he was getting really paranoid. He wrote me a letter saying 'Don't ever expect to see your albums in 'Christgau's Consumer Guide', and I wrote back 'Boo fucking hoo.'"
