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This is Hardcore Punk borrowing from Metal. Not vice versa
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>>132132544
I’m not going to give a dissertation as to why you’re wrong, but just know that you are
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why are metalsisters so insecure about their genre being influenced by punk?
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>>132132544
no it isn't
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>>132132544
tourist moment
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why are punksissies so desperate for validation from metalchads?
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>>132132544
Black metal broadly took a lot of influence from punk. Fenriz and Nocturno are very open about where they were drawing from unlike a lot of the 2nd wave guys. I hear a lot of Autopsy in Blaze as well.
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>>132133393
not really, a lot of the second wave sound is already present in bands like bulldozer
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1990s black metal: nazi satanists stabbing each other with swords
2020s black metal: troons crying about not being able to afford estrogen and fake tits
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>>132133393
lol no it didn't. a blaze in the northern sky just sounds like bathory and celtic frost, which is where every other 2nd wave band got their sound from.
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>>132132544
The front covers for these records are hilarious
>let's put on makeup and take photos of each other running around the woods at night
>oh man we look so badass
Makes me miss being young
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>>132133415
>>132133432
1st wave bands were influenced by punk. King Diamond refused to produce the first Bulldozer album because they were "too punk". Musicians draw from a lot of places. They didn't come up with this stuff in a bunker.
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>>132133464
It was a better time
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>>132133466
>1st wave bands were influenced by punk
Not only that, but Quorthon used to play in punk rock bands before starting Bathory.
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>>132132544
Metal was obviously inspired by hardcore, but this doesn't make it all the same.
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>>132133545
True. The whole metal v punk posturing fans do is pretty ridiculous.
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>>132133425
So its always been gay and retarded then?
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real metal has no punk influence
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>>132133818
Even Iron Maiden and Motörhead had punk influences.
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>>132133425
They were faggots back then and they're even bigger faggots now
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>>132132544
Said no one ever
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>>132134206
what punk influence did Black Sabbath have
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>>132134575
Punk didn't exist when Sabbath came out, so what? Pretty much any metal band since 77 has had some punk influence consciously or unconsciously. The only punk free metal genres are worthless nerdy pieces of shit like power metal and symphonic metal.
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Punk would not exist without Metal.
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True.
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>>132134575
Discharge's "The End" literally takes a quote from a Black Sabbath song and "The Final Bloodbath" takes a quote from a Venom song. It's always been a give and take relationship.
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>>132134776
Extreme Metal would not exist without Punk
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This, the Burzum debut and Diabolical Fullmoon Mysticism is basically where Black Metal began and peaked at once. After these three it quickly became trendy, oversaturated garbage.
For a brief time in 1992 Black Metal was fresh and interesting. It became stale fast after that already towards the end of 1992.
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>>132134720
Thats the point, dipshit. Black Sabbath inspired Punk. A lot.
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>>132136819
Wrath of the Tyrant deserves a mention too despite just being a demo.
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>>132134206
>Iron Maiden had punk influences
no
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>>132136825
A point which literally has nothing to do with the previous point, fagbag.
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>>132137088
Yes it does. Because as another anon has already argued it has always been give and take between Metal and Punk.
And if you are about to say Punk had a greater impact on the creation of extreme metal than Black Sabbath did then you are really fucking delulu.
>>132136943
They did though.
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>>132137395
It has literally nothing to do with what I said when I said "the only metal genres that are punk free are gay as fuck". No OG punk bands (Ramones, Blondie, Sex Pistols, The Clash, etc.) listened to metal, but lots of OG metal bands listened to punk (Metallica, Megadeth, Iron Maiden, Motörhead, etc.). Yes, the influence of metal on punk is way smaller than the influence of punk on metal, there are a fuckton of punk genres that are metal free, but only like 10% of metal is punk free.
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>>132134776
>>132136150
you are beginning to understand how reality works
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>>132137529
>No OG punk bands (Ramones, Blondie, Sex Pistols, The Clash, etc.) listened to metal
They listened to Black Sabbath. A lot.
>>132137529
>but lots of OG metal bands listened to punk (Metallica, Megadeth, Iron Maiden, Motörhead, etc.)
Those are not OG metal bands.



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