This is Hardcore Punk borrowing from Metal. Not vice versa
>>132132544I’m not going to give a dissertation as to why you’re wrong, but just know that you are
why are metalsisters so insecure about their genre being influenced by punk?
>>132132544no it isn't
>>132132544tourist moment
why are punksissies so desperate for validation from metalchads?
>>132132544Black metal broadly took a lot of influence from punk. Fenriz and Nocturno are very open about where they were drawing from unlike a lot of the 2nd wave guys. I hear a lot of Autopsy in Blaze as well.
>>132133393not really, a lot of the second wave sound is already present in bands like bulldozer
1990s black metal: nazi satanists stabbing each other with swords 2020s black metal: troons crying about not being able to afford estrogen and fake tits
>>132133393lol no it didn't. a blaze in the northern sky just sounds like bathory and celtic frost, which is where every other 2nd wave band got their sound from.
>>132132544The front covers for these records are hilarious>let's put on makeup and take photos of each other running around the woods at night>oh man we look so badassMakes me miss being young
>>132133415>>1321334321st wave bands were influenced by punk. King Diamond refused to produce the first Bulldozer album because they were "too punk". Musicians draw from a lot of places. They didn't come up with this stuff in a bunker.
>>132133464It was a better time
>>132133466>1st wave bands were influenced by punkNot only that, but Quorthon used to play in punk rock bands before starting Bathory.
>>132132544Metal was obviously inspired by hardcore, but this doesn't make it all the same.
>>132133545True. The whole metal v punk posturing fans do is pretty ridiculous.
>>132133425So its always been gay and retarded then?
real metal has no punk influence
>>132133818Even Iron Maiden and Motörhead had punk influences.
>>132133425They were faggots back then and they're even bigger faggots now
>>132132544Said no one ever
>>132134206what punk influence did Black Sabbath have
>>132134575Punk didn't exist when Sabbath came out, so what? Pretty much any metal band since 77 has had some punk influence consciously or unconsciously. The only punk free metal genres are worthless nerdy pieces of shit like power metal and symphonic metal.
Punk would not exist without Metal.
True.
>>132134575Discharge's "The End" literally takes a quote from a Black Sabbath song and "The Final Bloodbath" takes a quote from a Venom song. It's always been a give and take relationship.
>>132134776Extreme Metal would not exist without Punk
This, the Burzum debut and Diabolical Fullmoon Mysticism is basically where Black Metal began and peaked at once. After these three it quickly became trendy, oversaturated garbage.For a brief time in 1992 Black Metal was fresh and interesting. It became stale fast after that already towards the end of 1992.
>>132134720Thats the point, dipshit. Black Sabbath inspired Punk. A lot.
>>132136819Wrath of the Tyrant deserves a mention too despite just being a demo.
>>132134206>Iron Maiden had punk influencesno
>>132136825A point which literally has nothing to do with the previous point, fagbag.
>>132137088Yes it does. Because as another anon has already argued it has always been give and take between Metal and Punk.And if you are about to say Punk had a greater impact on the creation of extreme metal than Black Sabbath did then you are really fucking delulu.>>132136943They did though.
>>132137395It has literally nothing to do with what I said when I said "the only metal genres that are punk free are gay as fuck". No OG punk bands (Ramones, Blondie, Sex Pistols, The Clash, etc.) listened to metal, but lots of OG metal bands listened to punk (Metallica, Megadeth, Iron Maiden, Motörhead, etc.). Yes, the influence of metal on punk is way smaller than the influence of punk on metal, there are a fuckton of punk genres that are metal free, but only like 10% of metal is punk free.
>>132134776>>132136150you are beginning to understand how reality works
>>132137529>No OG punk bands (Ramones, Blondie, Sex Pistols, The Clash, etc.) listened to metalThey listened to Black Sabbath. A lot.>>132137529>but lots of OG metal bands listened to punk (Metallica, Megadeth, Iron Maiden, Motörhead, etc.)Those are not OG metal bands.
