Now that wider tires on road bikes are the default and you can barely even find a rim brake bike for sale anymore (other than at the antique store), how long before Big Cycling realizes there's no more upgrades to sell and if they want to continue selling bikes now they have to promote thin, high pressure tires and turn of the century frames as an improvement (complete with convincing-looking data presented by convincing-sounding "engineers")
2 more weeks
>>2065818use hydraulic disc brakes. they work much better than pincher style rim brakes.
Road bikes have been more than good enough since the late 90s MTB is where any sort of innovation has been madeWhat's next? Uhh full suspension road bikes2.1" knobby tires on road bikes Dropper seat posts on road bikesFlat bars on road bikesNah bikes are fine and have been more than good enough for ages It's the road, infrastructure, and a work life balance to actually be able to travel and use transportation more often and more easily
>>2065872>use hydraulic disc brakes. they work much better than pincher style rim brakes.Dual pivot calipers were already technically perfect, as we're 1" steerer tubes. Road bikes have been engineered into homercar abominations of road and mtb tech. It's sad to see and if you're pretty close attention it's a clear indictment of human character - both the evil of the merchants and the malleability of the consumer. Horrifying
>>2066379maybe I'd rather have brakes that can be used from the hoods without having the grip strength and hand size of a male silverback gorilla
>>2066391But at least you get those sweet disabilty checks
>>2066391soibot my strength is waning
>>2066379Rim brakes of any kind are inferior to discs because rims pick up more water and road depots, and due to the fact they’re a solid flat surface, don’t shed that material during braking, reducing initial braking performance and fouling the pads much more quickly.The world of motorsport figured this out over a century ago, before they figured out helmets prevent head injuries, it’s incredibly obvious to anyone with any spatial reasoning ability.Hydraulically-actuated slotted disc brakes are more powerful, more easily modulated, more easily cooled, and more reliable, than any rim brakes.
I've never in my life had problems w rim breaks when conditions are wet but I'm not a faggot driving two states away to a mountain range where I only ever do the descents
>>2065873TPBP
>>2066701Being a flatlander must be absolute hell if this is the kind of cope you have to tell yourself, no wonder you guys are so bitter that you spend all this time on internet bike communities telling people that gear ranges and good brakes are useless
>>2065873I think dropper posts on road bikes are already a thing for certain races
>>2065872Shut the fuck up disc cuck>>2066379>Dual pivot calipers were already technically perfect, as we're 1" steerer tubes. Road bikes have been engineered into homercar abominations of road and mtb tech.Truth>>2066584>Hydraulically-actuated slotted disc brakes are more powerful, more easily modulated, more easily cooled, and more reliable, than any rim brakes.That's fucking hilarious. You are an idiot.
I thought rimtards and cablecucks were extinct but apparently not
I can stop on cabke rim brakes just fine, guess im just a better braker, pheh :)
>>2065873they already do this, they're called "gravel bikes"
>want to buy a cheap shitbike to paint and put my spare parts on >all cheap shitbikes for sale are rim brake monstrosities Total rim brake death
>>2066379>Dual pivot calipers were already technically perfectA delusional statement that could only be written by some fair weather fuckboy who has ridden in weather that approaches dampness, let alone actual rain. Rim brakes suck shit when wet.There's zero reason to not have discs outside of performative contrarianism where you just emptily virtue signal about "old thing is best" because if you say something opposite of reality it allows to posture and pretend like you have some sort of hidden knowledge. It's social gnosticism and you should kill yourself tbhdesu.
>>2069552i wont say i dont massively prefer discs for inclement weather but the only reason rims go from "not great" to "actually unusable" is because of nigger manufacturers who make rim side walls completely smooth to appears aero-obsessed fucknuts (who also only ride in fair weather, as they are fuckboys)when a rim has channels in it to let water be shoved off into them and then sluice off, rim brakes can work at least at all. but every wheel made since 2005 has been fucking enamel-painted all over itcase in point >>2066379 which literally has rim brakes on a such a wheel that will make them not work at all because the rim tapers in for muh aero, implying he probably doesnt even use the front brakes at all (or even ride at all, given the bizarre brake cable management, unusably small pedals, and that the bike is spotless and shiny despite supposedly having had contact with the outdoors)>There's zero reason to not have discs let's be real here: maybe the frame isn't drilled for them (mine is not so I only ran rear discs, until swapping the frame and realizing oh shit it doesn't have HOLES and i am out of random mending plates to bodge shit). do not mount disc brakes if it is physically impossible to attach them to your frame, god might get upset at your violation of space-time
>>2066379>gatorskins
>>2069552I'm older than you and I've daily commuted and was a messenger on rim. there were no disc most of my life, same as millions of other people. never had a brake failure. even in a downpour, you just have to brake a second earlier, but due to visibility you're going slow anyway at that point.I'm not saying discs aren't more powerful, I'm just saying rim has never caused me any problems.
>>2069563>I'm older than you andomg unc :skull: why you're posting on this thread :sweatdrop: sweatdrops: :skull:
>>2065818yea I'm not sure how they would trick people into buying those useless bone shakers again>>2065872correct>.t rides on the hoods
>>2070377If you ride anything wider than 16mm and tires any thicker than 4mm tubeless you are slow, gay, retarded, and probably a DUI rider.
>>2070390>wider than 16mmso, the entire pro peloton?if your 16mm tires make you faster than them, you really ought to start racing, you could make a lot of money
>>2069550throw a cheap amazon air fork on one of those shitbikes and boom now it takes a front disc. mixed brakes are fine - if you can already lock the rear on rim brakes, then a rear disc can't add any more stopping power
>>2070377that suspension is horrendous
>>2065818Kek. Another unc thread about shitty bike tech.Is anyone still using a CRT TV? Or flip phones? Or god awful leather bike helmets? It sucks. It simply sucks thats why no one is using this shit anymore.You cant even compare bikes from 10 years ago to modern ones. The geometry and efficency, and the money that flew into development surged like crazy during the last 10-15 years.I had a few steel shiters because i liked the look but they are fucking horrendous in every way compared to modern aero race bikes.The comfort, handling, shifting, brakes... its not even funny anymore how bad things were back in the day.
>>2071023>Is anyone still using a CRT TV? Or flip phones?yes, actually, flips are still popular among boomers and drug dealers and CRTs are still used in industrial environments and by meme-enslaved gaymers
>>2071896I thought they were killing off the GSM towers
you can pick up a 90s hybrid for peanuts, bomb proof parts are available in abundance, work with flat or drop bars and some have insane tyre clearance.
>>2074115the problem is that fork
>>2074115>fork specifically designed to have your wheel shear off if you take so much as a curb let alone a jump
>>2074115>26 inch wheels>unc brakesYou'll look like a child on that thing
>>2074124It's a 29er dumbass, even says 700c on the fork
>>2074130And 29" on the tires.
>>2074117Completely missing the point, that's just one example of hundreds of similar models from the 90s. These 700c hybrids normally came with rigid forks, flat bars and road tyres, but with a little effort are easily transformed into pretty much any kind of bike, obviously excluding out and out downhill offroad or track racers. But everything else in between those extremes can be achieved, including pretty decent offroad and fairly rapid road machines, with the added benefit of extreme durability.They're even more versatile than even the fabled 90s mtbs, because, as great as those can be the 700c/29er element really bring the platform into the present. These old hybrids really were the original gravel bikes in that regard. They just aren't quite as abundant as their 26 inch brethren.
Disc brakes are a necessity if you want to use carbon fiber rims. Calibers will eat through the CF rim like butter. Pic related
>>2074157(You)
>>2074155i too converted my road bike to a gravel bike by riding it on gravel
>>2074157what are you even trying to show with that image?
>>2074157most of us had carbon wheels for races and flexing and aluminium for training and normal rides desu
>>2074155>These 700c hybrids normally came with rigid forksThat's not true at all though, rigid fork hybrids were a niche item, were you even alive in the 90s? Were your parents even alive?
>>2074177Not him but they're not that niche. Looking up market place right now for hybrids, out of the first 20 only 2 have suspension forks. They're overwhelmingly full rigid bikes.
Are we talking about pimping out 90s hybrids? 50mm tire upfront, 44 in the back but I could and should have gone up to a 47, I could do 50 if I crim the stays. Br-m759 parallelogram brakes for maximum braking performance on rims brakes. This thing performs well on the road and is sketchy fun on light xc trails. I could probably make it faster by switching out the tires from schwalbe green Marathons but honestly I don't want to deal with flats or tubeless. Have been thinking getting panaracer gravelking ss+ in 44mm.
>>2074180Survivorship bias strikes again. Yeah no shit the ones you see on ebay for $800 for the frameset are rigid, because all the ones with sus forks ended up in a landfill for reasons I hope I don't have to explain to you
>>2074181Looks sweet and probably a comfy ride.
>>2074182I said marketplace dumb ass, full bikes, and I don't see any going for over $200. Hybrid started coming with suspension forks in the LATE 90s. Meaning the overwhelming majority of them had rigid forks. The specialized crossroads for example only started coming equipped standard with a sus fork was in like 98-99. You're legit fucking stupid and don't know what you're talking about.
>>2074184Oh, well technically since you saw it on kijiji or craiglist or whatever that means you're right. Carry on, Dr. Ing. Farradexpert, you sure showed me!
>>2074185Tell me which hybrid bike brand and model came with a suspension fork throughout most of the 90s, because like I said, the crossroads was rigid throughout most of the 90s, the trek multitrack I don't think even came with a suspension fork in the 90s, gt arette was still fully rigid until atleast 97. So go on. Tell me which hybrids came with suspension forks in the 90s.
>>2074186I'm not going to spend 30 minutes digging up 30 year old product catalogs just to tell you something that I already know from experience, if it matter so much to you post all the catalogs with tables and a google drive link to CSV tables backing up your claims, until then you're just making retard noises
>>2074187I accept your concession that you're wrong and don't know shit
>>2074186>Tell me which hybrid bike brand and model came with a suspension fork throughout most of the 90s,Supercycle chink OEM bikes generally had them, if not being full sus at that
>>2074184>and I don't see any going for over $200god i wish that were me. up here in canada everyone has lost their fucking mind and is demanding 500$ for actually completely rusted out shit they find under their deck that has no hope of running. a functional bike is in the thousands, used. new bikes are all as much as used cars. even a cambodian tire BSO-Shaped-Object is like 500 minimum
>>2074205It sounds outlandish because he is just making it up as he goes along, probably someone trying to refine a local LLM
>>2074194More retard noises, what a surprise
>>2074205You can find brand new Trek hybrids for $700, same as 15 years ago. The country has gone to absolute shit though, yes.
>>2074211>Trek hybrids for $700,they could be 7$ and i would still feel ripped off. you could pay me 700$ to ride one and i would consider it an honest day's work and throw the bike behind a dumpster when i'm done.
>>2074207>Make claim>Back it up with nothing except " iknow I'm right"The only one making retarded noise is you lmao.
>>2074226>a functional bike is in the thousands, usedThat's just total BS though. Most brands offer perfectly good entry-level hybrid or mountain bikes well under $1000 ($600-700 is common) with Tiagra, Deore, 105 etc. You come across as someone who wants an expensive bike but has no money. That's a you problem.
>>2074233>made of pot tin >no suspension>entry level shimano everything>everything not shimano is proprietary>shimano stuff is only not "proprietary" because it's bootlegged so often>costs as much as a chinese EV
>>2074206You're such a fucking retard lmao. Set your marketplace to Montreal and search for hybrid bikes. You're so fucking stupid it's painful.
>>2074248>lol just take a cross country flight to save 500$ on a used bicycle (that you cannot then get back on an airplane)Americans, everyone.
>>2074250Never implied that holy fuck you're retarded. He called me out for making up prices. I told him how to verify the prices. I swear to fucking god you people are all fucking morons.
>>2065818>yellow thread
>>2065818Road bikes with rim brakes aren't being made anymore? What? I highly doubt that, may e they're down by 10percent or something, I'd believe that. I could go to the shop now to confirm but why would I bother, I'll just say I'm right
>>2074182You may not have to explain it to anon, but you'll have to explain it to me. Why would they fail?
>>2074184You said you weren't around in the 90s
>>2074280nta but presumably the suspensions wear out more gradually than a rigid fork would, but not totally fail like rigid forks would. so a lot of "surviving" full sus bikes are unsaleable rusted out pieces of crap that dont work, but the surviving hardtails are either still fine except for some cosmetic damage or have long since fucking exploded under the rider and found their way to a recycling facility instead of under your butt. even the most gormless I KNOW WHAT I GOT boomers wouldnt try to sell a bike with a collapsed or seized suspension and instead just toss it
>>2074205What the hell is going on in Canada? Did 90% of Bikes get abducted by aliens, never to be returned? That's the only logical explanation I can think of
>>2074226Kek I like this anon he/she is extremely funny
>>2074237>Made of Pot tinHow on earth did you come to that conclusion?
>>2074283Thanks, that makes sense. I only had a suspension bike as a kid, I wouldn't dream of buying a suspension fork. Why would anyone want extra moving parts to go wrong. Simple is always best. You'll say comfort or practicality but you just have to adjust your riding style
>>2074254You know what they say, if everyone you encounter seems like an asshole...
>>2074286They are poor and coping not funny
>>2074288some people live outside of california and have to have a bike that can >COPE with things like "weather" and "terrain" instead of an Electra™ Townie®
>>2074282Show me the post where I said that>>2074292I didn't say asshole I said moron you illiterate fuckwit. I have been on this website for 20 fucking years and I've been on this board for 6 months and all of the dumbest fuckers I have ever ran into on this website are on this board.
>>2074323You're just being soft, suspension isn't essential in the countryside
>>2074334yeah i guess thats why you see so many hard tail dirtbikes and welded leafs on trucks huh
>>2074355Full rigid ATBs are a huge trend you massive pussy. People ride full rigid offroad all the time.
