>makes public transportation irreleventYou're welcome.It's scientifically demonstrable in transportation modeling if your population density is low enough, local government should just subsidize rideshare and it solves all transportation demand
I sometimes uber. I sometimes take the train. I sometimes take the bus. I sometimes walk. I sometimes ride a bike. What now?
>>2067599At what point does a rideshare make more sense than taking a bike to where you want to go? I think bikes are fine for the average (non cyclist™) person if it's within a 25 mile radius, which let's be honest, that's the vast majority of people.
>>2067603I'm a complete retard and I honestly don't understand how ridesharing apps are so popular, especially to the point that so many fucking people are drivers in this gig economy shit. I mean, America is the most car-dependent culture in the world and there are very few areas in the country where people can genuinely live without having a car. So where are all these people taking rideshares located? Where are they going?
>>2067599rideshare/taxis is fine for one-off trips like going to your yearly costco pilgrimage or w/e but it's not sustainable or even desirable for daily commuting
>>2067607This is why I don't understand how ridesharing has become so ubiquitous. You would think it would only be in really condensed cities where car-less living is possible, of which there are few in the USA. NYC obviously, probably some other NE cities like Boston, Philadelphia. Chicago. A few Bay Area cities SF and to a lesser extent Oakland. I dunno, maybe super liberal hippie cities like Seattle, Portland, Denver? But otherwise with how expensive it is, where are people going so often that would make it viable when everyone owns a car already? Airports? Bars/restaurants so they can drink? I don't fuckin get it
>>2067603>>2067605>>2067607>>2067608>I don't understand...>At what point?
>>2067616i posted >>2067607 and made nothing but hard statements. saying something is not desirable is not the same as saying you don't understand it. rideshare sucks for regular trips because the wait time for a car/driver is not consistent and it makes it objectively harder to budget your pre-trip time
>>2067617>Hard statements>With no statistics>That all conform to your preconceived notions
>>2067608Because you're in college. You think Uber exists so liberals can drink at bars? How do I even unpack that statement. Are you stupid? Yes you are.
>>2067627>>2067619America is predominantly car-centric. If you don’t own a car in the USA, outside of a handful of cities, it’s viewed as weird and that you’re poor. these same few urban areas are really the only places where there’s enough density of amenities around to make ridesharing feasible. You go to most places in the country it’s a long and therefore expensive ride to get anywhere with ridesharing. That’s what I don’t understand about it. I said going to bars because it would mean you’re not driving drunk. Most people live in suburbs or rural areas that would be long and expensive rides to take Uber instead of your car.I’m just confused as to how ubiquitous ride sharing is when it seems like the culture of America is to just own your own car and go everywhere yourself
>>2067639Using your own logic, we "can't have trains because America is too big"Ok great, so we need planes, right?When you get on a plane, and fly from say. Oh I can't do "New York to California" because those are commie states. So let's say Ohio to Nevada, two God-fearing Real American states. So you take that flight. And now what. You buy a car at Harry Reid International Airport? Does that make sense to you?And no, most people do not live in rural areas, idiot.
>>2067643Comparing long distance travel like trains and airplanes to short distance ride sharing travel is a false equivalency. For the types of shorter distances that people taking ride sharing are doing, it’s just confusing to me when you consider that the vast majority of people own cars so I don’t get why they need the ride sharingDo you know what the main situations that people use these services are?>most people don’t live in rural settingsWith how ridiculously spread out and suburbanized America is, they might as well be rural
>>2067648Please see >>2067616
>>2067603>people who want to go somewhere without spending all day on a bicycle>people who want to go to their destination without soaking in sweat, freezing, or soaking wet>people who don't want to worry about their bicycle being stolen the second they turn their back to it>people who want to carry anything other than what they can carry in a backpack>people with more than one person in their party, especially children
>>2067648My god you're dumb. I wasn't comparing airplanes to uber. How are you even alive?
>>2067616
>>2067619>summoning a service on command is necessarily at least as regular as a pre-scheduled servicein pure practical terms even if uber is "faster" than a bus/train/etc is it is not as regular by definition in that it is summoned rather than scheduled and thus introduces uncertainty; uncertainty which may be valued as being worse than just being slower overall compared to a more certain outcome
>>2067599>if you density is low enoughBut why would you ever willfully be a dependent?
>>2067677See the image I posted again. Think long and hard about how, what, and why you are arguing. Hopefully then you'll realize why you should just stop posting.
ITT: Uber marketing director calls people rednecks for not seeing the value in his product.
>>2067727I never called you a redneck, I called you a moron because you are oneI mostly use Lyft because I get a bundle with Citi Bike but I have an Uber account with a shit rating (4.3) because I used it to move some boxes once and apparently the drivers get pissed if you do that
>>2067731I am none of the people you've attacked in this thread. So far you've accused people of being willfully-ignorant leftists and of being rednecks for not seeing the value in your product. And now I'm a moron for pointing out the flaws in your shill campaign.
>>2067733I'm not even sure if "moron" is the right word. If you see a situation that is happening on a large scale, and the options are: (A) everyone is stupid and brainwashed and doesn't know what's in their own interests, or (B) you're missing some critical information about those people's priorities and requirements that would make their actions seem more rationaland you vehemently choose (A) and get angry at the suggestion that (B) might be true, there's just something something deeply broken about you and it cannot be fixedThis isn't even ultimately an empathy question, though that plays a part. It's about the way you go about interpreting the world around you. Automatically going for the more complicated and nonsensical explanation and working overtime to fill in the blanks so you can cling to your retard version of reality instead of accepting that you might be wrong, because accepting that other people have different experiences than you and their own independent brain states is far more of an intellectual challenge than whatever it is you chose to do instead
>>2067734You know most people don't use ride-sharing services right? Your ad populum argument is self-defeating. Less than a tenth of people agree with you. I don't know why you're so emotionally invested in getting people onboard with ride-sharing. I'm guessing it's a variant of transit autism. Good luck I guess. There's probably a community of taxi fans out there who have been making your same arguments for decades; you should seek them out and find a home. If I ever take another Uber I will think of you.
>>2067738You have never been on an airplane and yet you're trying to explain why "everyone" just drives their own personal car and you can't fathom why someone would EVER get in a car that they didn't personally hold the title to. Never post here again.
>>2067599it's a fucking money sinkeven moreso than "traditional" public transport
>>2067608Its just renting a home or apartment, but for cars. Its not a great fiscal decision, especially long-term, but you get to offset the cost of your bad fiscal decision somewhat by pushing the costs associated with ownership, liscenture and maintenance off on someone else. It is primarily ubiquitous because Americans can afford it, even in a shit economy, and not everyone makes sound long-term fiscal decisions.
>>2067752No, it's not like renting cars you child. Christ is everyone here underage? If I go somewhere for a week and rent a car I'm looking at something like $1000. Now if I'm smart, I look at what I'm going to be doing there and what trips I'm actually taking, and chances are, ride share is way, way WAY cheaper. Say it's 2 trips per day. So $50 x 7 or $350 total. Can you do math? Which is more money, $350 or $1000? Am I being fiscally irresponsible now? Maybe I should cut back on avocado toast? You stupid fuck?That does mean I might have to wait 15 minutes instead of just hopping in the car and driving away, but on the other hand, I'm probably not in a single family home with a driveway, I'm probably in a hotel with a parking garage or at least, a very big lot and an elevator. So either way it could take me 10 minutes to reach a rental car anyway.
anon the cost of operating a car is included in the cost of your taxi ride. that's why your taxi ride costs money in the first place. you haven't offloaded those costs, you just pay less of it at a time, but at higher rates so the driver (and the company employing him) can make a profit.>>2067608>I don't understand how ridesharing has become so ubiquitous.it's literally just taxis, which have been around basically since man created carts but then and gave his homie a ride, thus inventing the rickshaw>>2067754>If I go somewhere for a week and rent a car I'm looking at something like $1000you are retardedonly reason to not just go to a normal car rental is if you have some logistic issue around having posession of a car (parking, no license, whatever) or the absolutely abhorrent UX of the average car rental site (though Uber and Lyft's app UIs aren't much less rage-inducing)and if you're a tourist you would probably not want to to rideshare since you would be making many trips per day, generally moving around a lot sightseeing and doing vacation stuff. at that point you would probably be best served by one of those shitty scooters (or *gag* a scooter share app like Bird) since you would be doing lots of stops and not carrying particularly much>>2067752it works in the US because it's a protestant hell hole where everything has nine layers of rent-seeking driving up the price. remember that it's a country that leases cars but those leasing contracts don't include free service
>>2067829>he thinks those are the real pricesYou have never rented a car. Please refer to the prior instructions and never post again
>>2067830>includes taxes and feesalternatively, you could sign up for something like picrel
>>2067831This would never work in the USA it's way to big.
>>2067831It doesn't include "all taxes and fees", it includes the "mandatory" taxes and fees that they will physically not release the car to you without charging. Add actual fees that real people pay for a real life rental, and do it somewhere that people are actually going to go and not fucking Halifax, and suddenly it's no longer $250, because this is real life and not the clickbait price that only retards think is real. If there is an adult in your life, which is looking increasingly unlikely but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here, go ask them.Or yeah I could sign up for a special rental club that helps if I'm in halifax, yellowknife, saskatoon, or narsasuaq, or hey paris france, a city well known for its lack of mass transit options, that sounds like a great idea. Fucking retard.
Oh and don't give me that "but actually your (home owners insurance / credit card agreement / AAA membership / etc) will cover you, according to this fine print you don't need the insurance you can just call some 1-800 number internationally and some guy in a call center in the philippines will totally help you out of a bind", again go ask an adult what happens in real life when you're in a collision and there's no clear responsible party so you have to convince a foreign cop whose language you don't speak that you're covered trust me bro I know I have no meaningful proof of insurance but you can just let me go now and the subrogation process will totes work itself out somehow. Anyone with an ounce of travel smarts knows this is a trap.Again - people who use rideshare are not doing it because they are stupid. They are doing it because they know more about this than you.
>>2067835>gets every extra he possibly can, on a yuroslop "luxury" carHalifax is well known to be the least affordable city in canada now, btw. and even at 50$/day after one week you can literally afford to buy an e-bike off a rack, and after a month you can afford to just buy a clapped-out tercel straight up
>lemme just pay 50$/day so i can klarna an uber that may or may not be available at a given time/place instead of paying 6$ for a pair of bus tickets to get on a vehicle that has a set schedule
>2067837Read >>2067836 and never post again, thanks in advance, actually on second thought>you can just buy an ebikeRight, I keep forgetting I'm talking to an actual child who doesn't even have a drivers license, but it's good of you to continuously remind me with every post.
>he thinks the exact model car makes a material difference in the priceHere, I saved you 4% by getting "economy", happy?
>>2067841>protections and addonsmaybe just don't get a car seat and insurance for your avocado toast ?
or you can pay 65 canadian space cash and get unlimited trips on the bus for a week
>>2067844What is this fucking chimp language?
>>2067843>you have not added any protectionsSee >>2067836, I will not be filling out any more captchas for you until you discuss this with someone over the age of 18
>>2067846Nobody intelligent pays for the insurance because your personal car insurance will cover it. If you're visiting another country, sure, but if you're in the US or Canada it's an idiot tax if you have comprehensive/collision already.
I just made a thread that was about how if the car was standardized and not a fashion item it would be reasonably priced.It was removed within 5 posts. Cars are transport, it seems....
this fully this the only hope the USA has for a Future is investing heavily in YCombinator rideshare Apps it is literally impossible to transport anything unless you import hundreds of thousands of indians to drive blacked out Escalades to deliver burritos and katy perry enthusiasts around the midwest at rates as low as 50$ per mile
>>2067829>>2067831>>2067835>>2067841>>2067843Just how worthless is the cucknadian dollar? How much has cuckdeau, and now the globalist banker ruining your country devalued the wealth of the cucknadian populace?
>>2067599>AI software suite recognizes you>Intentionally drives off the road and off a steep cliff>die
>>2067848Ah I see. So, rideshare is too expensive, because "everyone" already owns a car and thus "everyone" is already paying for car insurance and all the rest. Genius level thinking.
>>2067643You inability to not insert massive ad hom makes it clear you are an idiot
>>2067616Problem isn't so much feigning ignorance (although it happens on this board) it's that "leftists" (in this case "urbanists") are so wrapped up in their way of thinking that any other way is unfathomable to them.They get some idea in their heads like "everyone should live within a few blocks of a convenience store/coffee shop/bar" and become zealots for that idea, that anyone with a different point of view is wrong or misguided. They go onto make videos like "This is why American cities are designed WRONG" without room for subjectivity or debate, collecting sources that support them and rejecting sources that don't.To say something like "yes, I would rather drive to the grocery store instead of walk there" or something along those lines would be like telling a fundamentalist Christian that Jesus Christ didn't exist and if he did he was just a fraud who the Romans were right to execute.
>>2068278why does the right wing hate putting a bit of commercial zoning near the residential zoning? does it truly infringe on your freedoms if every tenth house is a little convenience store instead of yet another hoa-compliant bungalow? you can still drive to it if you want, you just drive less
>>2068445It's not the "right wing" that's demanding it, it's a simple matter of economics and quality of life. For something like a convenience store you're going to need a LOT more than just ten households supporting a store, it would require outside traffic. So it would need to go on a larger road, at the very least the main "trunk" road that the smaller streets are built off of. On top that, it would create a LOT more trash than a typical household and trucks for delivery. All the traffic, the noise, the smells, those aren't desirable to live right next to.That being said, there are a lot more of these convenience stores (often paired with gas stations) than people like you would like to admit and many can be accessed within a 15-minute walk even in a highly suburban area.
>>2068477the real problem is the "convenience stores" you're describing are usually attached to gas stations and don't sell any domestic shit at reasonable prices or quantities. you don't need a full on Costco every three blocks but it would be nice to have a place you can pick up milk and eggs on your way home rather than windshield wiper fluid and one Bang Energy for 7.99
>>2068593But neighborhood convenience stores (as opposed to truck stops) that have gas DO have milk and eggs, and many of them even have kitchens. The real difference between New York's "bodegas" and convenience stores is that they don't have attached gas stations, and maybe not much in the way of other perishables (not that any these shops have great quality on those), which are located in the supermarkets 5-6 minutes by car and offer a far superior selection for a lower cost.
>>2068593the reason the prices are "reasonable" at the larger grocery stores is because they aren't delivering and displaying product in smaller stores closer to you home.
