(Reposting something I found online:)Things that happened faster than California's high-speed rail project (390 miles/32 years):China's entire high speed rail system (30,000 miles) took 15 years from breaking ground to passengers riding trainsThe entire city of Dubai went from barren desert to gleaming metropolis in 30 yearsiPhone 1 through iPhone 17 (18 years)The Internet (32 years)For what Newsom is spending on this ridiculous train to nowhere, he could:Pay for 200 L.A.-to-San Francisco limousine rides for every person in California.Give a replica of his $9 million Marin County mansion to every homeless vagrant on Skid Row. Twice.Give an average one-bedroom house to one million people.Pay for Spain's entire high speed rail system. And Germany's. And France's. Combined.Give every Californian 18 round-trip flights from L.A. to San Francisco.Give $10,000 cash to every California household.For all that money and time, we don't have even one inch of train track to show for it and the Democrats in Sacramento just voted to spend another massive pile of money on it.
>>2072169>Democrats in Sacramento just voted to spend another massive pile of money on it.[citation needed]
So what you're saying is, california should have more slavery, money laundering, and e-thots shitting on tech bro chests? This is the current YIMBY stance? I don't expect decency from YIMBYs but it's good to keep up on the latest
It was in China's interest to overbuild infrastructure as a way to keep the economy afloat. There was a large subsidy after 08 to keep their economy from collapsing, and that come in the form of infrusture spending.It is also easier and cheaper to requisition land for development of any kind in china. Since a large part of their government funding is through land sales. So anything to keep the real estate price up is supported across the board. This is also the reason why alot of the chinese metro/railway station are in the middle of nowhere, since they see it mostly as a way to sell land more than anything else. Obviously with the current real estate crash in china they are left with millions of useless projects throughout the country, but they still can't stop building them because otherwise millions would be unemployed. So they'll be building another pointless HSR in the middle of the desert.
>>2072178The part you're overlooking is that china still has significant internal colonial states like xinjiang and tibet that it needs to assimilate. So it's extremely useful to the central government if there's readymade cities waiting to be filled with a hodgepodge of minority groups, carefully mixed in just the right ways to keep them acting "chinese" and not uyghur or whateverSo it's not just a jobs program, it's a matter of, to put it bluntly, "national security". Of course, you might point out, china already has ghost towns all over the place from when they built up a decentralized defense-industrial complex taking advantage of strategic depth, but telling a bunch of tibetan villagers that they're getting a nice new high rise condo next to the maglev goes down a lot easier than "we're putting you in this place that looks suspiciously like a concentration camp"You can find plenty of (unofficial) state propaganda videos ("slice of life documentaries") where they talk to displaced minorities about their colorful traditions and the shiny new buildings the generous people in beijing built just for themOk I just had a nuanced take on china, commence screeching at me that I'm either a chinkshill apologist or a sinophobe, depending on your ideology
>>2072169You seem to misunderstand something.California's HSR project isn't about actually building a HSR.It's about laundering billions upon billions of dollars to lobbyists and influential people... who will in turn funnel a good portion of that money (after keeping their share) into the Democrat party and other likeminded political groups. Does the taxpayer get fleeced and California financially ruined for the next 3 generations? Yes. But who cares. Political groups need that money now.
>>2072179>internal colonial states like xinjiang and tibet that it needs to assimilate.It has nothing to do with ethnic groups, it happens to every part of China. Regional and local identities in China are pretty much a commodity ready to be used for profit. You can even go to Beijing and see the old city either demolished or turned into a Disneyland for tourists. Where everyone lives in the "readymade" cities, and speaking even the Beijing dialect or complain about migrants is a sign of separatism.
>>2072182[citation needed]
>>2072189>bazillions of tax dollars disappear>literally nothing built in 32 yearsYup, no fraud and corruption going on here...
>>2072182>>2072189>>2072195>>2072182hyperloop soon its only not happening because indians believe me sir trust the plan hyperloop very soon for all residence soon sir
>>2072169The US is too big so HSR can never work. It's just too much ground to cover. The entirety of Germany can fit inside of Compton and yet Germany has more Knife Crime than LA. Explain that?
>>2072182>who will in turn funnel a good portion of that money (after keeping their share) into the Democrat party and other likeminded political groups.imagine being so conspiracypilled that you dont come to the more obvious conclusion of them spending it on the DNC (which has been utterly ineffectual since Bill Clinton) and not just (((THEM))) just fucking stealing it to buy boats and houses and dick/obesity/alcoholism pills and other such boomer shit
>>2072169Because it was decided by ballot initiative it can only be ended by ballot initiative. Because California voters approved the project in 2008 the state government in Sacramento must by law work on the project in some way shape or form. If they do not it triggers a state constitutional crisis. Support for the project in Sacramento is low. But the people of California themselves would have to vote in a new state ballot initiative to end the project.
>>2072195>literallyThat was true not that long ago but there's actual viaducts and shit now. Just no track laid on them.
California's HSR hasn't actually been under development for 32 years but I'm sure everyone here knows that right? I'm sure OP is going to respond with what he thinks is some gotcha where some politician made some statements back in the mid 1990s because we all love arguing in good faith here on 4chan.org/n/ don't we folks?
What's really crazy is if they spend couple hundred billion to finish it, the system will still only be used by a very small percentage of Californians. For most in the state, it won't be something they ever use. And most who do use it, will only use it once in a while. A very small number of people will use it frequently and be glad the state spent hundreds of billion for their particular personal want.
>>2072351you are right. that guy is a dumb flame-stroker. the guy just wnats to flame or he is a retarded person who doesn't understand america. this is america. california is the best state because it is richest, and being the most prosperous means theres a big government apparatus. it takes time for things to happen here. we are also an individualistic nation far more so than many others. a chinese-style fast build cannot happen here.
>>2072353California has a lower number of state employees per capita than the national average. But it's kind of true about individualism. There's many ways to litigate available for those with the means.
>>2072182Absolutely based. The point of large government constructions is never to build anything, but to pay off political supporters, donors, embezzlement, etc. The fact that something gets built (if at all) is merely a side effect, which in this case isn't happening
>>2072356Only because it's the most populous state. It never scales linearly.
>>2072205Compton residents have easy access to better weapons than knives and use those instead.
>>2072173>Source? You got a source for that claim? SOURCE?????
>>2072169>HS2>CalHSRSince the 80s, Anglo-American world forgot how to build public infrastructure
>>2072352That meeting could absolutely NOT have been an e-mail, and I NEED hi-speed rail so I can visit SF once a year for sightseeing.
>>2072169Have they done a study that there is a base of people who actually want to go between these cities?
>>2076797Projected ridership numbers have been part of most of the proposals but whether or not they're based on anything realistic is open to debate.
>>2072169Honestly I don't even give a shit how much money they embezzle because we have a deep well here in Cali Wali. I'm assmad because its taking so long. I just want to ride a fast train from SF to Bakersfield in my lifetime thanks Becerra better fast track this shit
Uh that train will crash and burn if there’s anymore riders. I think not.
I doubt this is real, the driver of the train is not an easy going person. This is all fraud.
>32 yearsWe voted to approve this in 2008 wheretf did 32 years come from?
>>2077418> In 1993, the state created the California Intercity High-Speed Rail Commission. In 1996, the California Legislature and Governor Pete Wilson passed the High-Speed Rail Act, which formed the California High-Speed Rail Authority to plan, design, construct and operate a statewide high-speed rail system.Planning has been going on that long but funding for actual construction really wasn't secured until Prop 1A in 2008. Up until then, allocations were in the tens of millions, which was enough to keep the agency alive and do some planning work but not enough to start buying right-of-way and doing construction.
>>2077418OP is intentionally being dishonest, just sit back and watch him reply to himself for the next 300 posts
>>2077462you believe 18 years is not enough time to build 1000 miles of train tracks?
>>2077491Of course it's enough time to build 1000 miles of tracks, but the project doesn't just involve laying tracks. This will literally be the fastest train in the US and one of the fastest in the world. You can't just lay high speed rail lines on undeveloped ground. Entire viaducts and support structures need to be made to support the tracks. Construction technically only began about 10 years ago anyways, since then hundreds of miles of track and permanent infrastructure has been made to support said tracks, including electrification infrastructure. Yes progress is slow as fuck, but you have to understand that the scope of this project isn't quite as simple as building tracks you dunce. And that's on top of all the bureaucracy and red tape getting in the way
>>2077498China built 40k miles of this track in the same time span and its already runningwestoids simply can't build anything anymoreThe population is incompetent, does shitpoor work, has horrible work ethic, and doesn't even have a nation to belong to anymore
>>2077572How much of that track is being laid within Earthquake zones Chang?
>>2077572China is still a developing country so they have less red tape to go through, similar to the USA in the early 20th century or Japan in the 1960s-1970s.
