I've been riding hookless toobless for like 10k miles now and I won't go back. I know I'm supposed to be dead or something but I've never had an issue. If it's reliable enough for my fussy complicated european car, it's good enough for my simple mechanical shifting bike. Why do retards think they need hooks? Because they're too stupid to inflate to the correct pressure? Literally just don't pump them up like they're your unc rims from 2007 with 23mm tires. It really is that shrimple! Well that and don't be morbidly obese.
>>2077401You use liquid tire sealant? I also use a means of creating an airtight seal between my tires and wheel rims, it's called an inner tube, and they don't need as much maintenance, pretty cool I say
>>2077401Hookless rims have actually been the default for most of the history of bicycles, and are the norm for all other vehicles. Aside from a brief period in 1900-1920, hooked rims were all but unheard of before 1975. In the past, bicycle rims and tires weren't manufactured to a very precise standard (metal rims were rolled or extruded into their profiles, rolled into circles, and then welded together) so if you wanted to run very high pressures you needed to glue the tire directly to the rim to keep it from blowing off. Once aluminum became cheap enough and extrusion tech was advanced enough for them to be re-introduced, hooked clincher type rims quickly became popular between 1975-80 because they were far more convenient than tubulars. With the introduction of composite rims however, because all composite rims of a particular profile are all dimensionally identical (since they come out of the same mold), if the tire beads have a similarly precise diameter, a hook on the inner profile of the rim is no longer necessary (in the same way that glue is no longer necessary) since air pressure alone can lock the bead into place securely. A hook or 'mini hook' on a modern carbon rim is purely a placebo to satisfy people who don't actually understand how tire retention works.
>>2077401>10k miles 10 kilometer miles? make up your mind
>>2077402I like to stop by the side of the road when I see someone wrestling with tubes and patches and levers and be like "you need help? oh I forgot, sorry I don't carry that anymore, tubeless ha ha" and then pedal away
Everyone itt is a troll and doesn't even own a bicycle
>>2077413i like to stop by the side of the road when i see someone wresting with bacon strips and trying to refill and reseat their tubeless tires and be like "you need help? oh i forgot, sorry i've never had to carry liquid for my tires lololol" then pedal away
>>2077420I used to carry those things until I realized flats just don't happen. I mean they do, but they fix themselves before I noticeI do have to occasionally scrub latex spots off the back of my seat tube like 2-3x a year (because they dry before I notice they're even there), but it usually doesn't even get that farYou can be as salty as you want but tubeless is simply better for normal everyday purposes.If you're a handlebar moustachio'd l'eroica larper with a knit lambswool helmet and a chamois made of an actual dead mountain creature's skin, and you like to violently burglarize roadside cafes and steal calvados and jambon beurres, then I respect the drip and I encourage you to keep using unc wheels, but I mean for us regular folks who won't die for fashion, liquid sealant is all we'll ever want and need.
>>2077422>tubeless is simply better for normal everyday purposes.Lol, lmao even>If you're a handlebar moustachio'd l'eroica larper with a knit lambswool helmet and a chamois made of an actual dead mountain creature's skin, and you like to violently burglarize roadside cafes and steal calvados and jambon beurresThese are the same people who will be telling you that you should be running tubeless for everyday use.
>>2077420>this nigga doesn't load his toobs with Slime™im only being a little faceteous, those tubes pre-loaded with the Goop are actually rad as hell and they sell tire sealant in "valve-safe" versions now so you dont have to fuck around removing and reloading stems
>>2077406>because all composite rims of a particular profile are all dimensionally identical (since they come out of the same mold), if the tire beads have a similarly precise diameter, a hook on the inner profile of the rim is no longer necessary (in the same way that glue is no longer necessary) since air pressure alone can lock the bead into place securely.this shit will never happen in reality unless you start making fucking TIRES part of a proprietary "device ecosystem" and that is turbo-protestant nonsense that i will start bombing bike shops over if it happens
>>2077428>this shit will never happen in reality unless you start making fucking TIRES part of a proprietary "device ecosystem" and that is turbo-protestant nonsense that i will start bombing bike shops over if it happensWhen hooked clinchers were introduced they were also part of a proprietary ecosystem with tires to match, it took years for standardization to develop. Modern hookless is well on the way to standardization since the ERTRO has defined standards for tubeless straight side rims and tires.
>>2077428>Bike company: "So these rims take 700c tires, we recommend going no lower than 28mm and no higher than 36mm">Anon: REEEE IT'S THE JEWS REEEEEEEE I MUST NOW COMMIT ACTS OF VIOLENCE REEEEEE PROPRIETARY ECOSYSTEM REEEEE UNCLE TED WAS RIGHTVery normal and very sane. Like do you think all the parts on your bike just happen to fit together by coincidence? No standards involved, no jewish "specs"?
>>2077443if there's no lip anything that is not precisely the same width as the wheel will not seat properly on air pressure alone. and you KNOW every bike manufacturer is going to choose some ridiculous nonsense measurement that no other manufacturer is doing for the sole reason that no other manufacturer is doing it so now you have to buy their tires and their tires alone700c is already barely a standard and bike manufacturers already make their frames with cutouts and "aero" shit around the sidewalls so you can only use very specific wheels
>>2077446Every wheel and tire manufacturer that can be remotely considered "good" is already following ETRTO specs, you just haven't noticed because you're not really into bikes and that is ok
>>2077447not everywhere is the netherlands, NJB
>>2077448You're either trolling or you're retarded. No in-between.
The specific type of tire tread you use will have a far greater impact on your bike's performance than whether or not it uses an inner tube
>if you ride a schwalbe shredda you'll be slower than on a gp500 irregardless of wether you use an inner tube or no
tpu tubes are best of both worlds and morethey are lighter and slipperier than butyl tubes, eliminating the friction that costs you rolling resistance but in a solid state form unlike tubelessthey are surprisingly hard to actually puncture, it deflects instead of poking through, better than light butyl tubes and much better than "i'll just let it puncture and then shower you in white goo and you'll have to pump it back up anyway" tooblessyou want triple extra protection? put sealant inside the tpu tube, you get extra puncture protection of the tube and the tire will contain the sealant and make it fix itself faster and not cum all over your assones with good valves hold pressure for months, no need for extra air, extra goop or even riding the bike, you can store your roadie over winter and just ride it straight out when the snow melts awaya spare tpu tube is light, flat, easy and clean to replace, and the old one can be patched up and reused as a spare for the next ride (shit's so cash that some toobless fags carry tpu tubes on rides, like nigga, just put it in from the start)they are compatible with just about anythingthey are getting almost as cheap as good butylas for op, hookless is a meme, big bike wanted to lock top tires behind an incompatible standard so that you can't put gp9001 super corsa veloce on an 80s 10-speed and embarass frederick cucumberdick on his giganigga 10k bike, thankfully the consumer was reasonable and voted against it and hookless will be dead within 5 years
>>2077458>slipperierwhen properly inflated your tube should not be moving within the tire much. doing so causes damage to the valve
>>2077443>I MUST NOW COMMIT ACTS OF VIOLENCE REEEEEE PROPRIETARY ECOSYSTEM REEEEE UNCLE TED WAS RIGHT
>>2077452>>2077458>complaining about freds while sperging over muh whatts and having absolutely zero self sense of what matters to 99.99% of cyclistsPeople don't like flat tires, it really is that shrimple. You are the fred.
>>2077460they both stay put inside the wheel, the difference is when you put weight onto the tirewhen the tire deforms, butyl tube grabs onto the tire and expands and contracts with it, while tpu tube deflects out of the way>>2077463what matters to 99% of riders is reliability and low maintenance requirementhookless toobless is a lot of faff for no benefit over a tpu tube in an oldschool clincher tire
>>2077471Tubeless hookless is incredibly low maintenance, literally all you have to do is add air once or twice a week. Clearly you have no experience in this matter and you are going off youtube clickbait of retards exploding their rims because they went straight from 700x23 and didn't check the manual before going to 120psiThe only argument against is if you only ride once or twice a month, if that's you then your latex is going to clump up after only a few rides, but for daily riding it's a no brainerLike I said before, it's ok to not be into bikes
>>2077472>add air once or twice a week.yeah just have a three-day maintenance schedule to get literally no performance, parts compatibility, reliability, or even aesthetic boosts (and actually probably make them worse)
>>2077471thank you tpu for saving me 3.7g and 0.1W from tire-on-toob friction in exchange for being vastly more expensive, harder to patch, more susceptible to damage, and coming exclusively in really gay colors
>>2077479>coming exclusively in really gay colorsWho the fuck cares what colors they come in? What the fuck even is this complaint?
>>2077480>he digs on man meat
>>2077481>NO THIS THING I NEVER SEE IS THE WRONG COLOR, WOE IS ME.
>>2077483Why are you gay?
>>2077484Get better bait
>>2077478What three day maintenance schedule? A pump when you're still at home? A tire that flats on you mid ride once a month is far slower than a tire that has 0.2 watts more rolling resistance because of some latex sealant flowing in its veins and has to be pumped 20% more often than TPUIt's ok to be scared of things. Bikes can be scary and those lycra jerks are real elitists about it. You're valid nonny, have a warm milk and go into your Temple Grandin treatment apparatus
>>2077490Get better bait
>>2077479>>2077481>>2077484g*y was solved by SILCA l.t.d. in 2025 launching the Silca TPU Tubes (clear color)heres the guy gives a piece on adulterating tpu with d*e:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T2S6droV80&t=191s40 bucks a pop for the privilege of the same chinese factory not sipping the magic juices into the vat
>>2077489Anon is seething and malding because he doesn't have an air compressor to get his tires up to 120psi to seat against a proper mirror-smooth flat inner wall. Sad!
>>2077494You really have absolutely no life do you? Never felt a woman's touch? I love knowing trolling 4chan is as good as your life gets.
>>2077495What having hooked rims does to a mf. Breaks their fucking brain. Tubeless on hookless works on cars, why do these retards think it won't work on a bike?
>>2077493there is like a 99% chance the silca tube is just a rebranded eclipse tube and clear color TPU tubes have existed for ages
>>2077496No life, just trolling one of the slowest boards. Pathetic.
>>2077472>add air once or twice a weeka good tube is "add air once a year maybe"adding air every week is more maintenance than anyone is willing to dothough admittedly most tpu tubes on aliexpress have shitty leaky valves so perception might be skewed>if you only ride once or twice a monthmost people don't live in places with year-long cycling seasonseven if you ride in winter, you are likely not riding your nice bike, so you have at least two bikes that alternate between being ridden and idling on a half year cycleit's even more fun if you have multiple bikes for multiple disciplines>>2077479they are getting cheaper, and the cheap ones are getting better. you almost don't see plastic valve tubes anymore. the right glue makes patching about as easy as butyl, and you can use offcuts from any dead tpu tube for it rather than a special patch. i also might or might not be developing an electric patcher that exploits the t part of tpu together with a peltier element to fuse the patches on thermally, if that comes to market (by my hand or by lurking chinks beating me to it) you'd only ever need offcuts, no chemicals. tpu tubes are easier to pinch when installing, but once they are in they are generally on par with midweight butyl in terms of puncture resistance. a super fat butyl tube is still unbeatable, but if the valve is good, tpu tubes are pretty similar to what you'd grown to expect, except they aren't going to develop random slow punctures like thinner butyls all inevitably do. yes, if you hammer a nail into your tire they will puncture, but nothing can protect you from that. why are you looking at your tube, hide your gay inside the wheel and never look at him again.>>2077490the expected schedule for bike maintenance for most end users is "never". for someone more involved, it's look over it once a month, ride it raw the rest of the time. "pump it every couple days" takes valuable time you could be riding.
>>2077514If you're reaching for a pump once a year all that tells me is you ride your bike about once a year. And lol at "cycling season". Like I said several times alerady, it is ok to be not into bikes.
>>2077515a good tube will hold 50 psi indefinitely. most tubes are not good tubes, butyl or tpu, so you gotta top them up when they get soft when squished, usually once a month or so. if a tube is so shit it needs air every couple days, it gets thrown straight into the fuck it bucket. you are willingly making your bike shit. >lol at "cycling season"go ride your roadie in -15. or even in +5 with permanent rain, with no fenders because road bikes don't come with any mounts for anything for the last 30 years. i did not subscribe to suffering as a part of my hobby.
>>2077516Oh so it's once a month now. Next it will be once a week.>oh no rain!If you can't figure out how to mount a fender without specially marked "fender mounting brackets" built into the frame you can always take it to the bike shop but DIY "I'm an expert in everything" youtube culture has fried your brain
>>2077519>If you can't figure out how to mount a fender without specially marked "fender mounting brackets" built into the frame you can always take it to the bike shop but DIY "I'm an expert in everything" youtube culture has fried your brainThis make no sense. Anyone who's DIYing their shit won't have any trouble mounting fenders on a bike. These people are usually also not roadies who think bike mechanics is wizardry that can't be attempted by normal people. You conclusions are idiot and you're stupid. Also nta.
>>2077519why would you ride your fenderless roadie in rain if you can hop onto your practical commuter hybrid with fenders
>>2077520Obviously not since anon (totally not (You)) thought you needed a frame that is "fender compatible" or that somehow the existence of no-clearance road frames that were popular 15 years ago somehow BTFOs all tubeless foreverJust some general life advice, progress does not care about your feelings, if you wanna be a luddite and yell at clouds more power to you, but don't confuse that with being a expert because you're not that, clearly
>>2077522It's always so funny to watch someone be so arrogant and so stupid at the same time. You keep trying to be condescending, but all you're really doing is making a clown of yourself. None of your jabs land in the slightest because every comment just reinforces that you're a fool who mistakes arrogance for intelligence. It's genuinely amusing watching someone so convinced they're the smartest person in the room while making such an idiot of themselves.
>>2077524Grok tier response. You didn't even try to make it about bicycles. Do better!
Hookless is objectively superior because of too many reasons you are too unintelligent to understand. NJB, CADE, and Berm Peak all agree. Hookless Tubeless is not just the FUTURE, it's NOW.
