Just got one of these.>https://kross.pl/esker-1-0-szary-grafitowy-polyskWhat's worth upgrading?
>>2078205nothing is ever worth upgrading. Other than the lack of pedals, fenders, rack. and bottle cages. Reason being: OEM get's a muchbbetter price buying at scale. So if you want something make sure its part of the prebuilt you're buying. Then ride and as things break you get to choose which parts to swap in instead up to the point where it's financially unreasonable and you just get a new bike.
updooting to hydraulic brakes would be great but also economically unfeasible. i have the same issue with my 2.0 which is similar but with 1x10 microshift drivetrain and carbon fork. i would like better brakes but i would have to get new brifters/derailleur/crank... which costs almost the same as the whole bike did.just get good tires and go toobless, it will improve your comfort a lot
>>2078247maybe you can upgrade to hybrid brakes like trp high roads
>>2078250nta but having been down that road myself I suggest you save your money and get real hydraulics, hy/rds are only marginally better than the crap that came on your bike and for what they cost they don't make sense anymore, those things were a solution to a problem that existed 10+ years ago when true hydraulic brake systems for drop bar bikes were way more expensive. you will probably also have to upgrade your brake cable housing because whatever brake housing came with that bike was bottom of the barrel trash and in the end you still have something that has to be maintained and adjusted because they're not self-adjusting like actual hydraulic brakes, they are still mechanical disc brakes just with extra shit to make them extra annoying
>>2078205OP your bike is based af>alloy>affordable>wide tire clearance>modular cockpit and crankset>mech disc>2x8 w brifters>dropsMy only critique on the stock setup is:should be 2x9should come with larger range cassetteSuggested upgrades:Two bottle cagesPhone mount for barHigher range cassette, at least 11-36 (use derailer extention if needed)Better rims (eg affordable Mavic allroads 23mm, have these, love these)Cyclami TPU tubes off AliBetter tires for your purpose (32mm P-Zero Road for road or wider gravel tires if gravel is your thing)>>2078247>go tooblessFuck no. TPU rendered the tubeless mess a thing of the past
>>2078254I would be more excited about TPU if they were actually available in normal people sizes, with normal people stem lengths, and threaded. Unfortunately they seem to be aimed at retrodouches riding on unc break bikes from 1998. So good luck to you if you're on anything newer than a 14mm deep, box section alloy rim and puncture-magnet tires at 120psi. Think I'll stick with my one size fits all latex sealant that adapts to the size of your rubber instead of making you spend 16 hours online every time you need to get new tubes
Have a new job and want to get a new bike. I have a beat up to shit steel frame Kona that I use for commuting and sometimes longer rides. I want a bike to take on these longer rides that can handle dirt roads. Maybe one day some touring or overnight trips. As a big heavy fat cunt I prefer steel.Been looking at this>https://omafiets.com.au/products/surly-midnight-special?variant=52377857884470$3,590 in AUDI'm thinking the 2x version: >700c 2x Black comes with Shimano 105 2x12 50/34 crankset, 11-34t rear, Teravail Rampart 700 x 38 Light and SuppleAny thoughts? Better ideas?
>>2078260Personally I'd rather have an ok frame and ok drivetrain and pretty good wheels than a slightly better drivetrain and shit wheels. So if your kona is fine just chipped up then putting new wheels on it could be a nice upgrade. But you'd have to get comfortable with the idea of riding carbon wheels which may be a big psychological barrier if you're in the mindset that carbon = fragile (I suspect those no-name wheels on the surly are much flimsier than a decent pair of carbon allroad/gravel wheels but maybe not)
>>2078261I'd like to keep the Kona as my commuter that I can leave outside no problem, and have a second bike. I probably do have a hangup about the steel that I'm willing to get over.I'm over 100kg, but the surly seems to come at a premium, would you say my money is better spent on an alloy frame with better components?
>>2078265Surly gets away with charging quite a bit more than you might expect for middling builds because the number of bike brands trying to pull off midrange steel, fully built up bicycles, is quite low, and most of the ones that have tried in the past failed. Outside of the bottom shelf BSO segment, steel is a hipster material targeting fickle minded, emotionally driven consumers with strong opinions. So if you get your target customer dialed in just right, you can pretty much monopolize their spending. And the ones who are really good at it can charge quite a handsome premium, much more than Surly does.There are reasons to like Surlys don't get me wrong, I don't think they're quite a "ripoff" but they're kind of offering a solution to a problem more people *think* they have, than actually have it.But many things in cycling are ultimately driven by vibes and if you can recognize that and not try to fight it, you'll be happier in the end. So if that's your vibe, if it speaks to you, then don't try to buy something else just because I said so.
>>2078260you could also look at All City or maybe something like a salsa warbird
>>2078267All City went under several years agoDo I need to break the news about Sheldon Brown?
>>2078268both are still alive and well
>>2078255>normal people sizes, with normal people stem lengths, and threaded.Cyclami TPUs come in different stem lenghts and are threaded (although I would prefer smooth, whats the point of a threaded stem?)I cant even follow the rest of your post
do I just buy a Cortina Tide as a daily driver? I've been obsessed with the Dutch design and Oma/Opa bikes. I just commute to work, it's a short 7-8km ride, I just want a comfy bike to ride and sturdy enough to carry shit on it.
>>2078277Threaded is less stress on the valve/tube joint and easier to work with when you have a mini pump on the side of the road but if you're just doing the race thing where it's always either a full size floor pump or CO2 and your throw it out if you have problems (just like the pros!) I can see why it wouldn't matter to youI find it funny when tube uncs call toobless people buyfag freds and then simp for brands they got a referral code from, you can use any latex in any tire but you have vendor lock-in with your tubes that require proprietary patches and only support very specific inflation methods that surprise! also happen to be mitigated by this one cool wireless 25000 mah e-pump that you can control from the Alipay app
I've been looking at the Santa Cruz Bronson 90 lately. Anyone have one?how does it handle tech and climbing?
>>2078260After looking around I'm considering this:https://www.trekbikes.com/au/en_AU/bikes/road-bikes/performance-road-bikes/domane/domane-al/f/F221-5/domane-al-5-gen-4/80404/?colorCode=tanHas the same 105 GS, and I can get one at a bike shop an hour away rather than getting it freighted in.Are 24 spokes enough for a heavy rider on dirt roads?
>>2078337Anyone? I have also seen WorkCycles, the Secret Service versions. Are they worth it? I'm not a biker, I don't care about them that much, I just want something that is quality and can get me from A to B, with near zero maintenance.
>>2078380>Are 24 spokes enough for a heavy rider on dirt roads?no
>>2078205State Bicycle Co. 8 speed any good for $600? I want a steel road bike and it’s nice to be able to buy new.
>>2078592Forgot pic
>>2078593>>2078592well... no, not really. it's one of these scenarios where you'll buy it, ride it for a little while, and then realize that X needed to be rather better. on a typical new bike, X could be saddle, wheels, whatever. on this one X is every single component on the bike, possibly including the fork.
I'm strongly considering a folding bike, so I can take it with me on the train - it's allowable at all times, versus a regular bicycle which is not always allowable. Anything about them that I should know that may not be obvious? I've never had a folder>>2078260Congratulations on the new job anon
>>2078592No its a retro bike for old people.
>>2078205Looks like a road/light gravel bike. If thats what you want then just ride it and then maybe change out the groupset and brake to something better down the road.
>>2078337I wouldn't, but at least it has a gear hub.>short 7-8km rideit would be OK for that, but so would literally any bike.> sturdy enough to carry shit on it.that's any bike not specifically built for racing. it has much more to do with the racks you buy, but even so the cheap ones are pretty decent. I have a very cheap Delta rear rack that's never given me any problems with a lot of use. I splurged on the front rack since I load most of my weekly groceries, there, though
>>2078593eh, speaking as someone who's grocery getter (above) is downtube shift, it's fine and I like it but there's absolutely no reason to buy a new bike with it, and my fast bike (more similar to the State) I converted to brifters and wouldn't have it any other way.putting them on a new bike? I can only read this as a hipster appeal to "old thing good" authenticity and it's pretty stupid. unless you just really love DT , or you like this bike best at that price point, you can always convert to microshift or whatever. but upgrading parts for a new bike is a losing strategy, it's usually best value to buy what you want, not upgrade a new bike.
>>2078601>I'm strongly considering a folding bike, so I can take it with me on the trainimo this use case is really the only valid reason to get a folder. and since the train is doing most of the commute, getting a cheap one for the "last mile" may actually be a good strategy.I don't take the train a lot, but I'm spoiled because not only are bikes allowed, there's no restrictions on regular bikes. it's pretty great.
>>2078630In my case it's about two miles to the train, and a mile off the train if I don't want to get another train (railroad into NYC). Right now I ride my bike to the station, lock it there, and walk to work from the station in Manhattan. I'm tired of worrying that my bike gets stolen again, and it would be nice if I go out after work to have a bike. So we're only talking six miles a day, maybe flexing to a total of ten miles some days.
>>2078627Are you homeless? You look homeless.
>>2078672I bought all that shit and don't have anywhere to put it? I just ride around with a week's worth of groceries and no clothes or other supplies?
>>2078664yeah, that's all considered the "last mile". the train does the commute, the so-called last mile can be multiple, it's just the term that's used https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_mile_%28transportation%29
$99 walmart bike got stolen over the weekend at my dorm I want a big cruiser that isnt gay looking
rec me a bike with below specs:>hybrid>aluminum frame>700x40C tires (width 40-45 is acceptable)>high tensile steel fork>36-spoke hubs/rims>1x drivetrain preferred (2x is also acceptable) >mechanical disc brakes>price not more than $600
>>2078727>high tensile steel fork>1x drivetrain preferred>mechanical disc brakes
>>2078727I am new to bike buying and don't know about quality and other stuff, but maybe the Cannondale Quick 5 comes closer to your criteria?> hybrid> aluminum frame> comes with 35mm wide tires, maybe you can put 40mm tires on the bike? or swap rims> chromoly fork (reddit: 'Chromoly has a higher tensile strength and greater resistance to fatigue than hi-ten steel')> 32 spokes is what I counted in pic, I guess you could swap rims> 2x> mechanical disc brakes> $590I think it may be the case that 1x starts around the 700-900 price range, though I could be wrong about that. I don't think I've seen many reputable sounding brands with new $600 bikes
>mechanical disc brakesretard
>>2078736nta but i think they're pretty cooltheres something special about everything being controlled mechanically. hydraulics just aren't quite the same
>>2078737>pretty cool>specialbrakes are there for safety and mech dicks are garbage if you actually need to stop quickly
>>2078737>hydraulics just aren't quite the samethat's true, they're not the samehydraulics actually work
>>2078727your biggest problem is you don't know what you're talking about >700x40C tires700c is a standardized wheel diameter. there used to be 700a and b but they've been phased out. 650b made a comeback over the last decade, for example. there is no such thing as "40C" width tires. the width is expressed in millimeters. the bead-seat diameter of 700c wheels and tires is 622mm, btw.however, the bigger point is: I'm not about to research this in depth, but just from what I know about how the industry has been moving over the last few decades, I think it would be more difficult to find a hybrid bike that *wasn't* 700c and *didn't* have frame clearance and rim width to accept 40mm wide tires.you'll be able to swap 40mm tires on no problem if the bike doesn't already have them.so asking for this is a wild goose chase>high tensile steel forkwanting a steel fork over aluminum is not necessarily a bad idea, the idea being that steel deadens shock/vibration better than alu. but there is also the idea that competent designers can make nice things out of any material by factoring in the materials' inherent properties and designing around that. then again, a $600 hybrid may not have that level of design. but the industry has been making aluminum forks for a long time. I have an aluminum frame and fork on a 1990 road bike. I've been riding all kinds of bikes for a really long time and I don't notice any shortcomings from that fork. but still, maybe steel is desirable to you. ok.but where the fuck are you getting that hi-ten is desirable? is this a cost consideration? then just get alu. anon posted a bike in your price range with a cromo fork, so cost doesn't seem to apply here.any benefits obtained from a steel fork (assuming you -- particularly as a noob -- are even capable of noticing) are negated by hi-ten's comparatively extreme weight vs cromo or alu.(continued)
>>2078747>36 spoke wheelseh, fair point but I'm not sure how popular that would be for factory spec on any bike, especially a $600 hybrid. iunno, it's probably a thing, I'm just not positive. but a far, FAR more important consideration for strength is getting the spokes properly tensioned. OEM wheels are machine-built "good enough" to not be a deathtrap theyll be sued for. if you're forced to buy something 32 spoke, get a competent shop to tension/true the wheels and they'll be rock solid. 32 is only the next step down from 36, and I'm 6'2”/190 lb, trust me, you'll be fine on 32.>mech discthis is, as you've seen, highly contentious. the point I'll bring up is: if you're OK not having the power of hydro disc, the power from mech disc is not really different than rim brakes. since cost is a factor for you, rim is cheaper and comparable strength. although the way the industry has gone, I'm not sure you can find non-walmart bikes with rim anymore (very high level road racers still spec rim for riders that want the weight savings but that probably won't last much longer).>B-b-but rim brakes destroy your rim!it is far more likely that you will: A) wreck your wheel B)wreck the bike C) decide to upgrade your wheels/bike D) the bike gets stolen or whatever else before the rim is ruined. I've never had any significant wear on any of my rim bikes. an anon addressed this in a seemingly level-headed way in pic related. if you are not putting down those kind of miles, it is quite simply a non issue.
>>2078748>rim brakes destroy your wheel>it won't happenPretty much this. I have ridden only two front wheels to the point where the brake tracks crack and the rim is dead. And I ride alot and rode for ages.In the same time I have trashed at least 10 rims in all sorts of ways.>cager attacks>hit curb or other edge too hard>jumps or drops>freak accidents>randomly cracking around spoke holes / eyelets>joint randomly seperatingYes I am aware I can just bend a taco back and I do that but I also know when to call a rim dead.You're far more likely to toss a good rim because the spokes started failing en masse and you have to replace those anyways so you give it a new rim too than you are to wear through the brake track.>machine built wheelsThey are actually pretty decently done. The machine can do everything a dude can do. It's only shilling luddites who insist you need handbuilt wheels. You don't. >>2078727Like Anon said. Most of those things are standard for mid range hybrids. 700x40C or roughly 28x1.5" is completely valid nomenclature and everyone gets WYM. Anon above is right that this means the bead seat diameter is 622mm, this simply goes back to the french taking the outer diameter of a hypothetically wheel with a standard 'C' tire, which happens to be ~39mm high. So with the frogs standardizing tires A through D, AND the outer wheel diameter of 700mm the implication of the bead seat diameter resulted and this explains the odd numbers.It's also the same as ' 29" ' MTB.36 spokes: You can also get a wheelset with thicker, that is stronger spokes and keep in mind that a strong rim protects spokes.>swap rimsWhy?>forksad reality is that it probably will come with a shit 'suspension' fork>1x Why?>mech dihWHY???600That should work.
>>2078754>>swap rims>Why?I posted the duck, like I said, I am new, it was the only thing I could think of to make the quick 5 match their criteria to a T
or at least a cursive T
>>2078768>I'm newThen please don't speculateA hybrids frame will fit 40mm tires easily. Consult relevant tables published by ETRTO to stay on the safe side when you're matching rims and tires but don't know what you're doing. Again: A hybrids wheels can be expected to be within the recommended internal rim width for 40mm tires.Regarding swapping rims:Not a trivial task you do without a need for it. What is recommended tho is to keep a second wheelset for any bicycle, as:- the wheelset is one of the first things to go bad- the wheelset makes or breaks the bike, nothing has more influence on the ride and feel- its the fastest way to for example swap tires and this lets you swap. instead of fix a flat in the morning or you can swap in nice fair weather tires if you please so
>>2078772the bike he rec'd is still a good choice for anon (whose "requirement" for 36 spoke is not super important, anyway) and he did say upfront that he was new and didn't know everything.but you're 100% right that upgrading OEM spec on a new bike is stupid, especially for wheels. swapping rims only is a whole extra level of stupid.upgrades are for when you break something, or you're a weird size and need it for bike fit, or you've rode OEM for a good while and now realize a part is not working for you.
>>2078728>>2078735>>2078736>>2078747>>2078748>>2078754you fucks, i am that anonI weigh 100KG, i live in a shitty 3rd world shithole with broken/unpaved roadsthe bike is intended to be a daily driver with the ability to carry at least 20kg of groceries/shit on top of my fatassit has to be a reasonably-priced, reliable, and serviceable workhorse>1x7 groupset it's enough for me, anything else is bloat>hydraulic brakeslol oil in a fucking bike = bloat (next you'll be laughing at me for not requiring an electric motor in my bike, then you'll we laughing for not having a WATER-COOLED electric motor in my bike BECAUSE you are fucking bloat gobblers).>aluminum forksudden failure and cannot be welded by third-world-tier shitters>Chromoly forkidk but i assumed it's more expensive than good ol' fashioned carbon steel.
>>2078774>idk but i assumed it's more expensive than good ol' fashioned carbon steelonly shit bikes spec anything in hi-ten. true today, true used. anon found a bike in your price range with cro mo fork. but the larger point is, if a new bike has hi-ten anywhere on it, that's a Walmart BSO and you do not want that bike.you're making more of the weight thing than it's worth but you definitely do have a specific use case for strong wheels. I never advocate for handBUILT wheels, but squeeze the spokes on whatever OEM wheels you get and if you can detect any variation in tension, take them to a competent shop. the 36 spoke count is not going to matter unless they're decently tensioned (and true, obviously)
>>2078775>only shit bikes spec anything in hi-tenSpecialized Sirrus X 2.0
>>2078773I never argued it wouldn't be a good option.>upgrading OEM spec is stupid>upgrade when brokenI 100% agree, coincidentaly this post is by me:>>2078206It's always the same blabla:>>2078774>muh fat>muh pothole>muh light loadNo special bike is required to do those most basic things.t. commuting and touring on a hybridnor 'city bike' with a 7 gear / 250% range IGH. System weight did exceed 150 kg in the past. She goes off-road, through forests, rivers, up mountains, down stairs and what not. This is the least one shoukd be able to expect of a utility bicycle.>1x7I just fine the whole 1x topic weirs but whatever floats your boat. The nunber of distinguishable ratios often seems overfixated on, you should really first ask what sort of range your drivetrain offers.>hydraulic brakesI feel what you do feel hut I must also say once you've installed and serviced hydraulic brakes a few times, and lived with them, you'll feel different. They stop amazing, feel amazing and just perform consistently without failure. Only I wouldn't want to get caught underway when something does fail but that's why you have at least redundant braking.>aluminum forkWelding is probably your least concern after your fork failed at speed. Also please don't ever weld anything aluminum on a bicycle without being sure of the alloy and its heat tratment. It's bever worth it.>CroMo forkIt probably doesnt make much if a difference in price if your fork is electrical conduit, gaspipe, hi-ten or 25CrMo4. Get the later one or better. >>2078775>shit bikes>anythingseatstays are surprisingly often plain carbon steel. Same goes for dropouts, braze ons and bb shell. It's often only the main triangle that is super premium 0.35mm wall thickness tubus japonicus.>wheelslast wheels I built (use case above) SG-C3001-7, Sapim Strong butted, Ryde Andra 20, washers for all nipples.I trust that wheel to take whatever I throw at it. >picrelWheel it replaced after a trip.
talk me out of buying a TT bike I don't need
>>2078786you don't even have your other bikes properly fit, you don't know enough about bike fit to fit a TT bike, you're not going to pay for a TT fit so the bike will never even come close to fitting you properly, and you can't actually pedal a 54+ tooth chainring up a modest hill
>>2078787bike fits are an overrated corona cyclist scam
>>2078786I had an accident on my TT once. Here's how it played out:>be me, young>think it cool to go to uni on the TT>back then other options would have only been road / race bikes anyways>its winter, snowing, thick slush onnthe roads>ride home from uni, the trip starts downhill>on aero bars to close in on car infront so I can draft it the rest of the way down the hill>drafting car, still on bars, probably wouldn't have even made a difference if I were not, probably thought it cool again>cager spots a parking lot>ohshit zero time to act, slush on road and braking surface, pull on brake before weight transfer, one arm still on bars>nothing first>then everything>car stops>I flip OTB just a foot behind the bumper>to this day still too cool for helmets when casual>cager gets out (I think the one behind me) "??? you okay bro???">yeah sure>hop on bike and roll away>steer into and stop in the next underpass>OMFG this fucking shit everywhere hurts>Bonus: Carbon top tube is soft, bar end shifters fucked up, and probably more.
>>2078774>>2078775Do a search for the manual:131264 rev 0718 cd om bicycle owners manualenter that into google, and goto page 57 (or 55 if looking at page number at bottom of pages in document itself)Model = Quick"Maximum Weight Limit1", of Rider: 136 kg
>>2078789most areaerobars introduce a lot of extra nuance and complexity and you absolutely need a good TT/tri-specific bike fitter BEFORE you buy the bike if you want to get the benefits of having that style of bike. if you just want a cool looking bike that's fine ofc, but you're not going to see any podiums.
