>>1528673 (Cont)
A White House official told the Journal that the United States had already achieved its military objectives against Iran. The administration has publicly maintained that its operations substantially degraded Iran’s military and nuclear capabilities, although continued Iranian attacks and the disruption of shipping through Hormuz have complicated that claim.
According to the report, Trump’s immediate focus is now the strait. The president is said to be keeping military options available if Iran continues attacking shipping, even as Washington searches for a diplomatic way to restore maritime traffic.
Iran has meanwhile presented a series of far-reaching demands, including a permanent end to the U.S. military campaign, removal of sanctions and the naval blockade, withdrawal of American forces and financial compensation. U.S. officials view several of those demands as nonstarters.
The standoff follows earlier attempts by regional mediators to craft a mechanism for reopening Hormuz. Previous proposals included new shipping lanes through Iranian and Omani waters, while Washington has opposed Iranian efforts to impose fees or exercise control over international traffic through the strategic waterway.

The Journal reported that Trump has told senior advisers in recent weeks that he believes Tehran will be unable to rebuild its nuclear program, at least during the remainder of his presidency, because of the extensive damage inflicted on Iranian nuclear facilities.
Trump reportedly believes U.S. intelligence capabilities would detect attempts by Tehran either to restore activity at damaged sites or secretly develop a nuclear weapon, while the threat of renewed American military action could provide sufficient deterrence.

>>1528674 (Cont)
That calculation could allow the president to accept a longer-term ceasefire without securing a comprehensive new nuclear agreement, provided Washington can prevent Iran from rebuilding its nuclear capabilities and restore normal shipping through Hormuz.
The administration has continued publicly to insist that Iran cannot be allowed to obtain a nuclear weapon. Trump has also maintained that U.S. forces remain prepared to strike again if Tehran fails to reach an acceptable arrangement.That calculation could allow the president to accept a longer-term ceasefire without securing a comprehensive new nuclear agreement, provided Washington can prevent Iran from rebuilding its nuclear capabilities and restore normal shipping through Hormuz.
The administration has continued publicly to insist that Iran cannot be allowed to obtain a nuclear weapon. Trump has also maintained that U.S. forces remain prepared to strike again if Tehran fails to reach an acceptable arrangement.

Meanwhile, Iranian media reported Sunday that Supreme Leader Mojtaba Khamenei met President Masoud Pezeshkian in connection with the beginning of the third year of Pezeshkian’s presidency.
Iranian reports did not specify exactly when or where the meeting took place. The anniversary of the beginning of Pezeshkian’s third year in office fell in late July.
Khamenei has maintained an exceptionally low public profile since succeeding his father as supreme leader earlier this year. Pezeshkian has previously said communication with him has been difficult, while earlier official accounts described rare private meetings between the two.
According to the latest Iranian reports cited in the source material, the two discussed domestic economic pressures, military developments, management of state resources and economic relations with foreign countries.

OTHER SOURCES:
>https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/trump-strait-of-hormuz-opening-iran-negotiations-b6a43ad6

>>1528673
I think Trump can end the Iran war faster than Biden ended the Ukraine war

>>1528676
That's the spirit!

>nevermind that we had a working nuclear deal with them under Obama

"Dead in the water"

heavy water, that is.

N'YUCK N'YUCK

>>1528681
don't worry though, I heard from a retarded esl shill that Trump can end the war he started faster than Biden could stop a war the US wasn't in.

It doesn't make sense to me either, but it sounds as retardedly confident as Trump did when he said the war would be over in two weeks, months ago

>>1528676
>I think Trump can end the war he started and loss faster than Biden can end a war involving two other countries
Well yeah, I can finish a game by conceding much faster than I can convince one of the two players in a different game to concede.

>>1528673
The straight isn't close.

>>1528691
It's close to Iran so they get to decide.

>>1528696
Nope.

>>1528673
I’m shocked that the deal fell apart for the 934th time

>>1528716
Iran knows liggerals support their cause. The war will continue until the midterm elections.

>>1528718
do you plan on being a shill until you die? surely there's no retirement plan available

>>1528718
>Still trying to force racism

>>1528676
Trump said he could end any war with a phone call and mild flexed military might…

>>1528721
Does this mean all the third world MAGA shills here will be sent as cannon fodder shock troopers for the ground invasion?

>>1528723
Trump has 894 days to scrounge something up to try and scare foreign militaries… If it has to come to a MAGA Assault then so be it.

>>1528724
That only depends on if he stages another coup to cancel the midterms, given Republicans have once again proven they are vichys, hard to say.

>>1528681
Yes we had *A* deal. But it was embarrassing because it paid the Iranians with uhhhhh their own money or something. So how about a significantly worse deal funded by your tax dollars instead?

>>1528726
>given Republicans have once again proven they are vichys
Very weird and non-American thing to say.

>>1528727
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93United_States_relations
taps wiki
>Despite the JCPOA, tensions between the United States and Iran persisted over ballistic missile tests, continued U.S. sanctions, and European business hesitancy due to fear of U.S. penalties.[125][126][127][128] The administration also faced criticism for its handling of these issues, both from Iran[129] and from political opponents.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93United_States_relations_during_the_Obama_administration#Confrontation_and_coercion
>In 2010, Stuxnet was reportedly found in the Natanz Nuclear Facility.
>The resulting program eventually produced the computer virus Stuxnet that disabled nearly 1,000 centrifuges at Iran’s Natanz nuclear facility and accidentally spread beyond Iran in 2010.[47] Even after the malware accidentally spread beyond Iran in 2010, Obama authorized continued attacks
>In 2012, the United States Navy was warned that Iran was preparing suicide attack boats and was building up its naval forces in the Gulf region. At a briefing in Bahrain, Vice Admiral Mark Fox told reporters the U.S. Navy's Fifth Fleet could prevent Iran from blocking the Strait of Hormuz.
>On January 12, 2016, two United States Navy riverine command boats were seized by Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) Navy after they entered Iranian territorial waters near Iran's Farsi Island in the Persian Gulf. Initially, the U.S. military claimed the sailors inadvertently entered Iranian waters owing to mechanical failure, but it was later reported that they entered Iranian waters because of navigational errors.
>Proxy confrontations in Syria and Yemen
>Tensions escalated in 2019 with U.S. intelligence reports of Iranian threats,[6][7] attacks on oil tankers, the downing of a U.S. drone by Iran,[8] and suspected Iranian strikes on Saudi oil facilities.[9] President Trump called off retaliatory strikes,[10] opting for cyberattacks and additional sanctions instead.

>>1528734
MAGAs are the Nazis, those who conspired with them in occupied france were the vichys. Ergo non MAGA republican sre Vichys.
I know third worlders like you lack the critical thinking skills to make that connection.

>>1528737
>MAGAs are the Nazis
Are you one of those retards who thinks jews are nazis

>>1528740
>Trying to change the subject since he was cornered.
You are going 'Blyat"
Also this doesn't change the fact that trump has managed to be the first president to outright lose a war in america's history.

>>1528735
That’s a lot of words to say despite US aggression they continued to follow their end of the deal

>>1528747
Yes, we never stopped even with the JCPOA in place.

>>1528741
Trump didn’t lose the war because he thinks he won it already…

>>1528737
I mean, you seem semi-intelligent and know history, so unfortunately it kinda does seem like the odds are you aren't american. Like if this was Americamongus, and we were trying to root out the foreigner, I'd absolutely vote with this fucking witless inbred dipshit over you, unfortunately. Kinda how we got into this mess.

>>1528755
>If you're smart, you can't be an american
Just because the fascist right has declared open war on the educated doesn't mean some don't remain.

>>1528752
He also claimed the trump virus was under control in the spring of 2020, or the economy is fine, when trumpflation is strangling it.
His lies and gaslighting don't work when people can tangible see the consequences from his actions directly affecting them.

>>1528737
Do you have autism? The premise of my post is that I know who the fucking vichy were (well done on paying attention in middle-school!) and that its a fucking weird an un-american turn of phrase.
>turncoat
>benedict arnold
>quisling
>sellout
>bootlicker
and you chose vichy? lmao, you're brown.

>>1528741
>America lost
100% brown.

>>1528761
nta, you're being really esl today shill

>>1528763
>nta
(He is, in fact, that anon)

>>1528762
thanks for letting us know, but we pieced that together a while ago

>>1528767
You dont know how greentext works? Is this your first day on the chans, after blowing in from stupidville?

>>1528769
do you not know you're projecting? you do it all day every day

>>1528770
So you dont know how greentext works and you also dont know what the word "projecting" means?

Stupidville needs you back bro.

>>1528770
esl shills been having a mega meltie all weekend
I think they're emulating their "period"

>>1528773
>>1528770
samefag

>>1528775
you do tend to samefag a lot. good point

>>1528776
>no u

>>1528761
>Thinking traitors and collaborators are exactly the same.
This is why republicans gutted the education system.
Although it doesn't matter much given trump conspired with the Russians and continues to suck Putin's cock.

>>1528782
Actually, the modern republican party would be more akin to the loyalists, colonists who sided with the British crown against the continentals.
Funnily enough, trump glazed the british monarchy, so that's entirely on par with how modern republicans (conservatives) have always sided with America's enemies.
British Empire, Confederates, Nazis.

>>1528785
not akin, that's their origin

>>1528786
I wouldn't call them their origin given modern conservationism is inherently authoritarian, so they'll find roots in monarchies, slavery, fascism, any government or system that allows them to exert power over others completely and treat them as cattle.

>>1528673
It's basically Two Retards Fighting. Both sides are led by belligerent idiots who will not accept anything less than total capitulation. They're not smart enough to win their war, and they're too damn stubborn to lose it.

>>1528791
The problem is they're fucking up the world economy.

>>1528791
One side is led by a belligerent idiot that thought that they could just launch some missiles and get their way, the other side is of course Iran

>>1528791
>Both sides are led by belligerent idiots who will not accept anything less than total capitulation.
The difference is Iran literally has the leverage to force it. They want total capitulation because they basically have the ultimate hostage; the flow of oil the world runs on along with the threat of annihilating the oil industry should they be ground invaded. And literally why should they go for compromise with the US when we stabbed them in the back MULTIPLE TIMES during negotiations and killed their last leader who was willing to compromise? As Trump himself keeps saying (though referring to the wrong side) they have all the cards in this scenario.

And the thing is we literally knew this would happen. Every fucking analyst in the last forty years told their respective administrations "yeah, we probably shouldn't start bombing Iran because it gives them the ability to shut down the Strait", and the only reason Iran hasn't was because they were worried maybe the world as a whole would side with the US. But oh wait, Trump pissed everyone off with tariffs and threats so everyone acknowledges this whole war is solely him and Netanyahu's fault, so they got a free pass to claim the Strait. Good fucking job.

>>1528808

Strait of Hormuz not necessary to move oil.

By 2029 the flow will be more overland than it is already. And, by then, the pipeline and canal will be well underway.

Iran is a middling oil country, and will continue that way. Except much poorer.

>>1528823
>Strait of Hormuz not necessary to move oil.
25% of the world's oil goes through there.

>By 2029 the flow will be more overland than it is already. And, by then, the pipeline and canal will be well underway.
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>1528760
The homosexual left has declared open war on education actually.
>Trust science!!
>Over 70% of new HIV cases are homosexual
>N-no! Not like that!
Fuck you.

>>1528832
>The Russian enters the thread

>>1528826
The gulf states are building out infrastructure to avoid the straight by pumping oil to the Red Sea. This doesn't solve the problem of the Houthis, but they're a softer target than Iran and even if they aren't dealt with militarily, oil getting out but being forced around Africa is still much better than oil not getting out at all.

As for the canal, I've no fucking idea what they're talking about. Maybe that nonsense plan Israel has been tossing around for decades where they stick a canal through Gaza and southern Israel to the south to cuck Egypt?

>>1528834
Thanks McCarthy

>>1528834
being russian would make them more white than they are
ESL shill wishes they were russian

>Dedovshchina
>HIV rampant in the country that allows the above to exist
100% of projecting Ivans are homosexuals with AIDS
>subhuman degenerates allowed to exist in Russia
>inferior subhuman Russian hypocrites that project think they have rights: even the right to exist, least of all think they have the right to have their wrong opinions & propaganda listened to
https://www.military.com/video/off-duty/odd/akward-moments-with-vladimir-putin/3129473236001
https://i.postimg.cc/DwTxmsCC/pedo-putin.jpg
100% of projecting Ivans & Putin glazers in 4chan are pedos

>>1528835
>The gulf states are building out infrastructure to avoid the straight by pumping oil to the Red Sea
The problem is even with those, assuming they get built at all, there's still a massive chunk of oil that comes through the strait. Going from 25% to 15% is good but it still means Iran can hold the world economy hostage. Not to mention the Houthis can just target the pipelines themselves.

There's also the problem that prices are still gonna be fucked because the largest tankers can't fit in the Suez Canal, so efficiency will be worse.

>>1528840
That and Iran can just blow up the construction sites.

Trump needs to win the war. We can't have the left take power. They'll surrender immediately, a fate worse than war. We can not be allowed to surrender. The only reason why Trump hasn't committed and taken the gloves off is because he's worried about the midterms. If the left takes the midterms, we lose, if the right takes the midterms, Trump can finally do what needs to be done to achieve victory. We can't abandoned Trump now. He needs us more than ever. This country needs us more than ever.

>>1528842
Iraq and Afghanistan really worked didn't it? Israel is our ally assuredly.

>>1528846
Please don't change the topic, this is a MIGA brainrot thread

Leftists are obviously going to tank Trumps war against Israel because they don't have the talent to create the sort of peace Trump is aiming for
You can tell because they're spreading fake stories about how Obama created that deal first. But thats obviously a lie, if Obama created peace with Iran we wouldn't be at war.

We're only in this war because the Evangelicals believe they need to team up with Israel in order to fully control the holy land and bring about the rapture

>>1528846
Afghanistan and Iraq didn't have men like Trump and Hesgeth in charge. Likewise, the US military had not been purged by DEI and wokism during Afghanistan and Iraq. The US military of today is far superior to the US military of the last 60 years.

>>1528849
Purged of* DEI and wokism

>>1528849
The US military of 20 years ago was able to capture Sadam alive and set up an occupation in Iraq in less than 30 days. It was the 4th biggest military in the world at the time
Epic Fury is absolute shit show in comparison. Almost 6 months later and they can’t bring the world’s 35th largest economy to heel?

>>1528864
>Almost 6 months later and they can’t bring the world’s 35th largest economy to heel?
Bruh, they brought the worlds largest economy to heel instead
Plus wasting a shitload of missiles increases domestic defense spending

>>1528866
Yes I can see how that might be a problem, however allow me to offer a rebuttal:
>SEND ME

>>1528864
Weak argument. Trump captured maduro in a few hours. Trump killed the leader of Iran on a whim. The Iranians have already lost while we've been fighting with 1 arm behind our back and blindfolded. They're just being stubborn and out of pride but they have lost and will surrender once Trump takes the gloves off.

>>1528847
>Its the leftists fault that the Trump administration is so incompetent
lol

>>1528847
>But thats obviously a lie, if Obama created peace with Iran we wouldn't be at war.
You mean the deal Trump literally tore up and made us leave?

>Guys I don't get it, if the Obama deal was so good, why are we at war after we deliberately left it?

>>1528873
Everything Trump has been doing to save the country has been resisted by obstructionist politicians, activist judges, and mass civil unrest funded by corporate dark money

>>1528872
>Guys we're just being nice and letting them wreck our economy as we literally bomb them so many times we're running out of missiles yet make no progress

>>1528876
>>Guys we're just being nice and letting them wreck our economy
Unironically.
The US has the tools to kill everybody in Iran, but they're not doing it because it would be a PR nightmare.
>inb4 nukes
Bomb the desalination plants and nobody in the region will have water. It's that easy.

>>1528872
Gas is still $5/gal.
Real war doesn’t work like Call of Duty where the winner is the guy with the most kills. If you can’t complete any of your outlined objectives and all you have to show for your efforts is higher cost of living, you’ve pretty much lost

>>1528877
do you ever wonder what a vagina feels like

>>1528879
I'm not saying it's a good thing anon. But a little bit of pain at the pump isn't worth killing ninety million people.

>>1528876
We aren't running out of missiles. That's just 5D chess.

"Appear weak when you are strong"
-Sun Tzu, the Art of War

>>1528881
Nobody really trusts the guy who claims to have won a war almost 100 times

>>1528878
Trump already confirmed that gas is down to under 2 dollars in states like Iowa. Maybe try not living in an overregulated communist shithole like California

>>1528882
He didn't claim to win 100 times. He did reiterate the fact that we won multiple times. Reminding everyone that we've won is not the same thing as declaring victory 100 separate times.

>>1528880
Trump could kill everyone in Iran, take control of the country personally, and still manage to fuck up ending the Iran war.
Trump is just that incompetent. I don't think he could literally do a single thing correctly

>>1528883
I don’t live in California. I live in a red state
>Just move and leave everything behind
Who the fuck do you think actually accepts this an argument?

>>1528886
>I live in a red state

Sure you do, sport

>>1528886
Listen to the ESL shill.
You need to stop failing reality by not conforming to their drug induced delusions.

>>1528888
You're literally a brown foreigner

>>1528883
Yeah this got fact checked: he was looking at a fucking ethanol blend. Those are cheaper, but only because they have dogshit power density so cars burn through them twice as fast.

>>1528884
Ok but he literally said Iran was done and had no missiles or infrastructure left.

And then they bombed us again the next day. Every time.

>>1528887
I love how dumb the arguments for Trump get. You fags will say anything for Dear Leader
>Nuh uh! I know where you live!

>>1528892
Fuck off lib
Trump isn't wrong, you are
So you don't live in a red state, and you're a liar

>>1528890
>MUH FACT CHECKER

sorry, im too white to care about what the MSM is saying.

>>1528893
>I know where you live and you don’t
>You should just move to Iowa even though there’s no jobs there

>>1528896
Exactly
Now let white billionaires in your home to rape your daughters

>>1528895
Please produce literally any evidence of this "$2 gas" claim. It's not like we can trust Trump either.

>>1528840
>Not to mention the Houthis can just target the pipelines themselves
Above ground pipelines are relatively quick to repair. It'd make more sense to attack the oil fields or refineries. Also, I'm pretty sure at that point Saudi Arabia would just fucking invade Yemen.

>>1528890
All gas is at least 10% ethanol.
e85 is barely used, and e15 is merging, but not safe or all vehicles.
You must not drive or be foreign or some shit.
Anyway, ethanol is higher octane fuel, but it's trashy dirty stuff. I wouldn't say it's twice as fast as regular e10, but my experiments with e85 decades ago convinced me the slight savings were worth it.
Gas here is currently $3.50/gal

>>1528930
>were worth it.
*were not worth it.

>>1528930
e85 was the blend he was talking about. Which makes him bragging about it being cheap even fucking stupider since most cars can't even use it.

>>1528942
It doesn't say anything about e85 in the articles I'm looking at.
I think you're making it up.
>Gas did, De Haan said, reach $1.85 a gallon in early January in Iowa,
https://www.usatoday.com/story/cars/news/2026/02/25/trump-gas-price-claims/88863705007/
Why do the liggerals only care about context when they're WRONG?

>>1528954
here's a rupee

>>1528954
>in early January
So they were low BEFORE he started this retarded war. He's saying he saw this "a few weeks ago". So either your boy is sundowning bad and doesn't know the date, or he's making shit up.

>>1528986
>Be wrong.
>Move goalposts
>Dig hole
>fill with poo

>>1528989
Anon Trump claimed he saw $1.85 in Iowa within the last month or so. That's objectively false unless he's talking about only e85. The last time gas was that cheap was before he started the war.

must we be needlessly exposed to esl shill's coprophilia yet again

>>1528990
SOTU was in FEB, you gay fucking piece of shit.
Goddamnit.

>>1528995
Yeah he said this four days ago.
>https://x.com/Poeslawisalive/status/2085471283987570839

>>1528996
Gotcha. Next time start with a source or something for those of us without TDS not looking for something minute to bitch about.

>>1528992
its better than being exposed to esl shills tranny fetish

>>1529000
Your DTS cannot be cured, you Deranged Tranny.

>you Deranged Tranny.
But enough about the projecting 1529001.