Civil rights advocates — including from the American Civil Liberties Union — expressed alarm at the plan, saying ICE officers already face criticism for their use of force during President Trump's immigration crackdown.

Compliant Technologies says the devices function as a normal pair of patrol gloves until officers press a switch to activate their electrical mode. The gloves must be applied directly to someone's skin to deliver a pain stimulus that typically helps an officer gain compliance within seconds, according to the company.

"It's immediate and sharp, and it will distract you. I call it like a bee sting," John Peters, president of the Institute for the Prevention of In-Custody Deaths, who is studying how the device has been used, told The AP. "If the officer is getting any type of resistance from the person, this is certainly an effective tool."

Peters said he believed ICE's planned purchase would likely be the largest from the company to date. He said he could envision ICE officers using the gloves to help remove uncooperative subjects from cars and houses and in and out of detention facilities.

"For smaller officers or weaker officers or older officers, I think it has a great advantage" because it can produce faster takedowns and shorten confrontations, he said.

The manufacturer warns the device should not be used as punishment, against people merely exhibiting "verbal defiance or belligerence" or on high-risk populations such as children, pregnant women or elderly or disabled people.

Jenn Rolnick Borchetta, deputy project director on policing at the ACLU, told The AP the public should have no confidence that ICE officers will use the devices appropriately. She questioned why the devices would be necessary for civil immigration enforcement and noted those getting shocked might have no advance warning.

"ICE spent the last year showing this country they are too quick to use force. Now they will be able to deploy electric shocks with the slight push of a button that maybe nobody else can see them do," she said. "Introducing gloves that can so easily be used to deliver terrible pain in encounters is a recipe for harm to the public."

Supporters say the devices are generally used in specific jail and transport situations, rather than broadly to patrol on the streets. They have been used to subdue violent suspects who are refusing to get into squad cars and inmates who are harming themselves and threatening officers, according to Compliant Technologies.

Peters said he expected the devices to be misused by a small number of employees, as with other policing technologies, but he said they are unlikely to cause injuries. He said it would be important for ICE to have robust policies and training in place.

To use the device, officers must complete a course and be recertified every two years, the manufacturer says.

The planned purchases come as ICE expands its crackdown on people accused of being in the U.S. illegally, amid pressure from the White House to arrest 2,000 people per day.

ICE has drawn scrutiny for its tactics during its arrest surge — including attempted vehicle stops in Maine and Texas last month that ended with ICE agents fatally shooting two immigrants.

In both of last month's shootings, agents were not wearing body cameras. DHS has pledged to widely deploy body-worn cameras, and said last month that all ICE arrest teams will have at least one officer equipped with a camera going forward.

>>1529525
See you in two months when
>ICE Accused Of Murder After Man Dies of Heart Attack Caused By New "Shock Gloves"

>>1529525
>ICE is constantly assessing the needs of our officers in the field to ensure they have the tools and equipment necessary to safely arrest and remove criminal illegal aliens from our country.
Someone in the government was seriously thinking
>You know who else is good at catching criminals? Batman. What did he use?
Putting that budget to good use bros.

>>1529528
Or, alternatively considering how these guys aren't the brightest bulbs in the box and tend to be overweight chuds
>ICE Agent Dies After Shocking Self Into Heart Attack With New "Shock Gloves"

>>1529525
Guess Trump really wants to give ICE
UN-LIMITED POWAH

>>1529528
>fat-fuck redditor dies of a heart attack while trying to obstruct ICE agents
So what's the down side?

>>1529536
Makes it a lot easier and more popular to defund the whole fucking organization.

>>1529528
Oh well.

>>1529528
Nah, ICE is going to either accidentally kill some of their own, or it'll generate weapon discharges
wearable weapons on low iq morons are a recipe for self harm

This is amazing news. Excellent job President Trump. Give em hell boys

>>1529539
Hence >>1529530

Honestly I can see them fucking up and shocking themselves into a heart attack more. Hard to take the taser off when it's a glove on your hand

>>1529541
>shocking themselves into a heart attack more
Like these retards place their hands over their hearts for anything.
Dicks and guns

>>1529537
>Makes it a lot easier and more popular to defund the whole fucking organization.
Yeah yeah, we already know dems plan to abolish ICE, open the borders and flood the country with even more illegals than Biden did. They've made it very clear. Just like they've made it crystal-clear they want to pack the courts.

>>1529544
get a real job

>>1529528
More like
>ICE accused of murder after interpreting involuntary spasms as resistance

>>1529559
>involuntary spasms
I wonder how it feels to get shocked in the prostate by one of those gloves.

>>1529525
ICE is so fucking cool.

>>1529561
your mother thinks it would be cool if you got a real job

>>1529562
Why in the fuck would I do that? I'm partially retired and working is for fags and women now.

>>1529564
>partially retired
is that the euphemism your mother uses for your condition

>>1529528
Just comply.

>>1529565
Look, homo, you're obviously gay,

>>1529564
Oh man, being a dumb shill is a gig economy "job"? Grim.

>>1529568
Probably. But I do it for free.

>>1529566
ICE literally held up a woman at gunpoint because one of them hit her car like, last week.

>>1529570
Good.

>>1529571
if you're an esl shill, sure

>>1529570
idk why in the fuck liggerals think anyone still cares about their gay faggot activist tricks in 2026. Your shit's tired as fuck, mate.

>>1529573
keep it to one post next time

>>1529574
Why not try to post something worth reading?

>>1529575
you don't know how to read english

>>1529570
And what was the woman doing?

esl shill is larping as a white american again

>>1529581
Yelling at them after they lied about her trying to run them over? You're really going to argue that's deserving of being held at fucking gunpoint?

These retards are dangerous and should not be on the street. They have zero discipline and keep getting caught making up reasons to threaten or outright employ lethal force.

>>1529583
Let's see the video.

>>1529583
>Yelling at them after they lied about her trying to run them over?
Liggerals said the same thing about Renee Good before extra cam footage was released.
Her wife was shouting "nnoooo! please stoopp!" before anything actually happened because they were trying to portray themselves as victims.

>>1529570
>because one of them hit her car like, last week.
This reminds me of that story everyone was sperging out over an illegal and his kid being arrested, and how the evil ICE agents were ramming his car with his kid inside...

And then we got to see the footage where this illegal maniac was in a speed chase with police, doing 100 mph through traffic, and the ICE cars *hit* his car because they were trying to do a PIT maneuver before he got someone killed. Then the illegal pulled into a grocery store, left his kid in the car LMAO, then ran trying to evade arrest, got tackled, then his teenage son tried to pull the agents off when he got arrested too.

Such outrage! If only there was a video to back up these wild, outlandish claims of police brutality!

>>1529583
i'm also pretending to be white and american and indignant

>>1529585
>Liggerals said the same thing about Renee Good before extra cam footage was released.
Yeah it's still true she didn't hit any of them and in fact actively turned to avoid hitting them. Jonathan Ross is still a murderer who rightfully can never show his face in public again.

>>1529584
The video is out. They literally surrounded her car and accused her of trying to hit them (even though she was stopped, and ironically could've probably dragged at least one of their asses to death if she WAS trying to hurt them) before holding her at gunpoint.

>>1529586
>And then we got to see the footage where this illegal maniac was in a speed chase with police, doing 100 mph through traffic, and the ICE cars *hit* his car because they were trying to do a PIT maneuver before he got someone killed. Then the illegal pulled into a grocery store, left his kid in the car LMAO, then ran trying to evade arrest, got tackled, then his teenage son tried to pull the agents off when he got arrested too.
Hey so is this one of those cases where ICE promptly got told to shut the fuck up and got their court case dropped and charges filed against them? I ask which one because they've gotten caught lying about "car attacks" to justify trying to magdump people multiple times.

>>1529588
>she didn't hit any of them
Weird. Could've sworn that officer had to go to the hospital. And that the video showed him getting physically knocked over by the car.
Before George Foid munched her last rug, Jonathon Ross was dragged a hundred yards by a car in a similar stop. So maybe shooting her in the face was a decision made based on personal experience.

>>1529591
>Could've sworn that officer had to go to the hospital.
We have literally no evidence of this beyond ICE's own word, which means little when they repeatedly get caught lying to avoid scrutiny.
>And that the video showed him getting physically knocked over by the car.
It doesn't.

>Jonathon Ross was dragged a hundred yards by a car in a similar stop. So maybe shooting her in the face was a decision made based on personal experience.
No this proves the retard has a history of making retarded decisions and disobeying his own fucking training when it comes to dealing with moving vehicles. DHS (and Law Enforcement in general for that matters) has specific protocols officers are supposed to follow when dealing with moving vehicles. Chief among them is "Don't try to grab onto them", which he did in his first run-in that resulted in him getting dragged because he was too stupid to let go of the guy, and "Don't stand in front of them while there is someone in the driver's seat", which we can see on the Renee Good video he also deliberately did. It sounds a lot more like he's a fucking idiot who should've never been allowed anywhere near law enforcement because he can't follow basic protocol, but instead he was rushed into the field and wound up murdering someone.

>>1529592
>It doesn't.
He had a body camera. You can see his body violently shake from the impact of the vehicle.
>and "Don't stand in front of them while there is someone in the driver's seat", which we can see on the Renee Good video he also deliberately did.
Bitch, all drivers are supposed to yield to pedestrians. You are delusional.

>>1529593
>He had a body camera. You can see his body violently shake from the impact of the vehicle.
You can see it shake from him getting out his fucking gun because his "body cam" is him holding his phone.

>Bitch, all drivers are supposed to yield to pedestrians. You are delusional.
And pedestrians aren't supposed to deliberately step in front of a live car dipshit. Again, all law enforcement are specifically taught to never do that because you are putting yourself at risk if the driver hits the gas for any reason, you've effectively just placed yourself in harms way even if they don't actually want to hit you. Nevermind the fact that if she was trying to run him over the momentum would've meant he would've gotten killed anyway, which is yet another reason why law enforcement are told to never step in front of a car with an engine running and someone in the driver's seat.

>>1529589
>and ironically could've probably dragged at least one of their asses to death if she WAS trying to hurt them
Don't look now, anon, but you just justified them pointing a gun at her.

>>1529595
>even though she was stopped

>>1529583
I agree. We need to allow ICE to arrest LGBTQ protesters on sight.
Dangerous doesn't even begin to describe the scum.

>>1529596
They're still allowed to do that. And not just ICE either, but regular cops. So why are you crying?
>waaaaaaahhhh the police did police things and I don't like it waaaaahhhh time to grab another molotov

>>1529589
>The video is out.
And she's a fucking cunt that keeps driving around harassing ICE, yelling at them, and doing U-turns to go back around following them while she claims to be handing out legal council cards to illegals. Fuck her. I wish ICE shot her stupid ass just for being an annoying cunt.

This is what you faggots do. You keep playing these stupid games hoping that something happens. Then you wonder why some fat lesbian got shot.

>>1529559
Fuck those retards WOULD

>>1529599
Okay but was she doing anything ILLEGAL? Doesn't sound like it. If being annoying was legal grounds to kill someone in the street, your ass wouldn't be here right now.

>>1529602
>durr look at me imma keep pokin' da bear lololol harassing ICE and nothing you can do about it
>Oh shit! They did something about it! Nooooo!!! I'm such a victim! Feel bad for me!
Every fucking time. This is why you retards get no sympathy.

>Okay but was she doing anything ILLEGAL? Doesn't sound like it.
Driving around harassing federal agents while they're doing their job? Possibly. Too bad there's never a local cop there to keep retards like her in check, thanks to dem leadership telling their police not to cooperate with any fed working in their sanctuary city.

>If being annoying was legal grounds to kill someone
Was she killed? No, unfortunately. Her ass got a warning to back the fuck off, and now she's on NBC talking about how she dindu nuffin.

>>1529525
Oh I saw this article.
IT WILL NEVER WORK

Unless it's a reconstructed taser of some sort there is no way a shock glove will work. Spy and military outfits have been trying it forever, and it never worked.

You know why?
Heat and wires.
So this is probably more vaporware a defense contractor is selling the administration for a billion dollar handout. Like all of the Trump Jr defense buy-ins.

>>1529604
Yeah I don't think you realize mean words aren't a valid reason for a civilian to hold someone at gunpoint, never mind law enforcement. If you can't handle being heckled without threatening to kill someone and taking out a weapon to do it, you should not be in a position where you are given a weapon to enforce the law.

Also, let's talk about how they actively lied about her hitting their car to justify it.

>>1529610
Okay anon here's what I want you to do today: on your way to work at your shitty wagecuck job, I want you to keep an eye out for any police vehicle you see. As soon as you find one, I want you to immediately do a U-turn and follow that cop around and start yelling at him. Call him (or her) a faggot, a child molester, a nazi, whatever. Just make sure you don't break the law as you're following them everywhere they go - and make sure you do this while they're giving someone a ticket or trying to handle a traffic accident.

Just like this Molina cunt was doing. Fuck with your local police while they're trying to do their job. Then let me know how it goes after you're done.

>>1529612
Yeah they won't fucking hold me at gunpoint for it you retard. There is zero fucking reason for law enforcement to take out a gun on a heckler. That ICE agent lost control of his emotions and broke the number one role of firearms safety; he should not be on the streets.

>>1529615
>Yeah they won't fucking hold me at gunpoint for it you retard.
Go find out! Make sure you stay in your car when you do it.

>wagecuck
1529612 proven to be an incel manbaby /r9k/ reject, projecting while terminally online in his cuckshed.

>>1529615
In fact, no scratch that! I want you to be as close to Carolina Molina's fucking case (name sounds like a stripper). I want you to drive through an apartment complex where cops are in the middle of arresting someone and pull this shit. Make sure to do a U-turn and keep circling back while they're trying to arrest someone.

>>1529620
>>1529622
Yeah even if they arrest you, they are not supposed to hold you at fucking gunpoint while accusing you of hitting them. I'm not surprised you don't know basic law enforcement protocol or firearms safety, but what this retard did should immediately get him temporarily suspended and reviewed at minimum.

>>1529544
>Yeah yeah, we already know dems plan to abolish ICE, open the borders and flood the country with even more illegals than Biden did
If I have to choose I'll take illegal Latinx over H1jeets
any.
fucking.
day.

>>1529624
>Yeah even if they arrest you, they are not supposed to hold you at fucking gunpoint while accusing you of hitting them.
Wrong, you fucking retard. If they think you're a threat they can point a gun at you. I can go on youtube right now and find a dozen examples of police detaining people at gun point even if they haven't committed a crime.

>I'm not surprised you don't know basic law enforcement protocol or firearms safety
LOL okay faggot. Tell me more how police aren't allowed to draw down on suspects, especially retarded lefties that keep stalking them and trying to interfere with their work.

>>1529627
Yeah no one is gonna regard being heckled as a threat to human life justifying a weapon being drawn. There's a reason ICE retards lose 90% of the time these cases go to court; they have no idea what their own protocol is and have a strong history of getting caught lying.

>>1529628
>Yeah no one is gonna regard being heckled as a threat to human life justifying a weapon being drawn.
You left out the part where she's driving erratically while stalking ICE.

>There's a reason ICE retards lose 90% of the time these cases go to court;
There's a reason why you subhumans keep getting shot by ICE... you keep stalking and harassing ICE. And then play the victim like you weren't doing anything. Take this Molina whore, "Oh I was just out minding my own business handing out cards for free legal advice to illegals (which knowing they're illegals and not reporting them should be a crime) when I just happened to stumble upon an ICE operation." - Yeah bullshit. Just like Renee Good was just dropping off her kids at school when she just happened to drive up to an ICE vehicle stuck in snow. Surely she wasn't part of a fag vigilante group that spent the whole day fucking with them.

You fucking get what you deserve.

>>1529629
>You left out the part where she's driving erratically while stalking ICE.
Which already got proven to be them fucking lying.

>You fucking get what you deserve.
Murder is still murder and law enforcement has protocol they have to follow. ICE is trigger happy and not only does this keep resulting in them killing or severely injuring people, but it also made them lose in court so much this admin had to start deliberately shielding them from going to trial at all.

All that's to say, don't be surprised when one of these retards kills themselves or gets shot.

>>1529628
everyone knows ICE is a bunch of uneducated neoconfederate faggots who should be locked up. you're talking to the resident shill who has nothing better to do but larp as as multiple edgy americans 24/7, though. just call him a loser

>>1529544
ICE has been around since 2002, in their current form. The DNC won't even nominate a candidate who wants to abolish them.

>>1529632
>ICE has been around since 2002, in their current form.
Proof we don't need the retards. Immigration was handled differently before ICE and it will be handled differently after they're gone.

>The DNC won't even nominate a candidate who wants to abolish them
This was before Trump turned it into effectively a government backed gang. Now it's basically a mainstream position that they need to go.

>>1529629
>which knowing they're illegals and not reporting them should be a crime
It is a crime. The legal term is Harboring.
American citizens have an unironic legal duty to report illegals wherever they find them, otherwise they are committing a federal felony.

>>1529642
>not a felony to protect billionaire pedophiles
>is a felony to not report hector at the taco shop
That does sound like something an ESL shill paid to protect a global pedophile ring would say.
Why don't you care about white children being raped?

>>1529643
>Why don't you care about white children being raped?
I do. That's why I advocate for shooting immigrants that try to cross the border illegally.
>but whattabout those nummy tacos sold by the street vendor?
There are cookbooks that show you how to cook just like the people we deport, retard. You can have authentic third-world cuisine without committing a federal crime.

>>1529645
But you love federal crimes?
You're advocating murdering people.

Don't worry though, if I saw you in America I'd report you to ICE.

>>1529642
>It is a crime. The legal term is Harboring.
Harboring doesn't apply to not reporting someone.

>>1529647
>expecting ESL shill to understand Immigration law

>>1529648
Aren't you the guy defending illegal immigrants?

>>1529647
>Harboring doesn't apply to not reporting someone.
The AI says you're correct.

>>1529647
You're actually correct, I fucked that up.
There was a story some time ago about a guy that got arrested in Arizona for harboring under similar circumstances and the case got dropped.

>>1529652
Now expand that line of thinking to your misconceptions about Sanctuary cities

>>1529612
I happen to live in an actual first-world country so I'd be fine.

>>1529653
You're mistaking me for someone else.

>>1529657
Who do you think I'm replying to?
Do you understand how 4chan works?

I already know you don't understand how Sanctuary cities work, because you were confidently incorrect about federal immigration law.

>>1529658
I have no opinions about sanctuary cities.

>>1529525
good they'll need those to stop the domestic terrorist hoards. a taser takes too long and can only take down 1 of those freaks.

>>1529659
Thats weird for a retarded shill.

Sanctuary Cities are often demonized by retarded MIGA faggots because they think that, like you used to, that Americans have a duty to report everyone retards think is an illegal immigrant

>>1529537
>redditor was an active poster on r/news and had comments talking about supporting assassinations and domestic terrorists.
once that comes out they'll get increased funding anon.

>>1529646
Advocating for violence in the US isn't illegal unless it involves imminent, lawless calls to action. This was determined with Brandenburg v. Ohio.
This is why every libshit in the PNW can get away with putting 'punch a nazi' stickers on their car and burning straw effigies of Trump.

>>1529661
come into sanctuary city get a drivers license, go to red state, commit vehicular manslaughter.
get some retarded leftists preaching about how its not immigration's fault.
win for the good guys.
leftist shill

>>1529661
>Thats weird for a retarded shill.
It's like asking for my opinions on gravity.
Sanctuary cities exist because there is political will for them to exist. If US citizens want Minnesota to turn into Somalia then there's nothing to be done.

>>1529665
>If US citizens want Minnesota to turn into Somalia then there's nothing to be done.
But thats not a thing
It sounds like you have opinions you know are wrong about Sanctuary cities and don't want to share or examine them.
Its not healthy, I'd recommend taking a fearless moral inventory to see why you're willing to embrace lies.

>>1529666
>But thats not a thing
Sure anon.

>>1529666
esl shill can't debate, they just have strawmen and delusions
mn is being converted to somalia and no amount of reality is going to change their minds

>>1529664
THIS. liggerals love when real Americans get murdered by these foreign criminals!!!

Liggerals idolize africa. They worship blacks. They treat blacks like gods. So of course they have the opportunity they love importing black rapefugees that have no business being there. They would love if the entirety of America looked like Somalia. That's the liggerals ultime goal. Turn all white nations into Somalia 2.0. this is why we need to support President Trump more than ever. He's the only man protecting us from the Somalification of the West

Liggerals really were shown a picture of a clean, nice, pure American neighborhood, and than a picture of a dusty, dirty rundown somali ghetto and went "I prefer the second one".

And than they dedicated the rest of their lives to making sure we turn into the second one. LMAO. Kinda nutty when ya think of it. Why would they do that?

>ESL shill fantasizes about submitting to black immigrants
This shouldn't surprise anyone that its your fetish
Try to keep it out of America though

>>1529674
How am I the one fantasizing about it when it's liggerals who vote for it and try to cancel you if you even question that decision

>>1529661
we've seen liberals during karmelo anthony and how they act, these pieces of shits don't want to live in a civilized society they want to have the right to murder and stab people then blame muh racism as a get out of jail card.
These leftists freaks still don't understand how fucking heinous they are to the rest of the world. People didn't vote trump in because he's charismatic or his policies are any good, its because the alternative is YOU and as long as you freaks exists that will never change.

>>1529673
>Why would they do that?
They think having safe, clean communities is racially discriminatory.
What's funny is that they are unintentionally correct. That's why liggerals are almost all NIMBYs.

>ESL can't stop yearning about being buck broken
Theres no way to stop it even, because MIGA will never stop consuming and creating BBC cuck porn

>>1529676
Fuck off little concern troll. President Trump is the most charismatic president since Kennedy and his policies are fantastic. He's the man saving America, do you seriously disagree? No president has had the balls to do the things he's done. You're retarded.

Even the liggeral God himself Zohran Mamdami ended up liking President Trump when he met him. President Trump is undeniably charismatic and a people person.

>>1529677
anon you know we know when you're samefagging right? You're literally the only one who uses that term.

>>1529682
https://youtu.be/37a97TWcEnc
Only one person here calls other people esl shills. Massive samefaggotry

>Only one person here calls other people esl shills
This is the most delicious of cope
/news/ is a shitty board but they have a succulent lolcow

>>1529685
Do you have any proof that a single person uses the term liggeral but multiple people use the term esl shill?

>>1529686
I mean this seems to exclusively be used on this board by one specific anon who has been trying to make it a thing since last year but fails because it just looks like he can't spell.

>>1529686
Liggerals never have proof. Just FAKE NEWS

>>1529526
> deliver a pain stimulus
Lmao. I love bureaucrats describing reality.
My friend wrote some fan fiction about retirement homes increasing ‘expiration velocity’

>>1529687
fetch keeps trying
fetch keeps failing

>>1529630
>Which already got proven to be them fucking lying.
>as she's passing by, yelling out her window, then doing U-turns to drive by and yell again. In a parking lot
By the way I notice they didn't release the entire unedited dashcam video.

>ICE is trigger happy
Because fucks like you keep shooting at them, and they're getting no local police support to handle jackasses like Molina thanks to the politicians you vote for.

In an ideal world, sanctuary cities wouldn't exist. These politicians supporting them would be in jail, and we wouldn't have to send ICE into neighborhoods to dig them out. We would go back to the good old days where police would pick up a criminal, find out their immigration status, and then transfer illegals to INS (ICE) after they served their sentence. But nope, we need to make a political statement about how much we love sucking illegal cock.

>>1529693
>Because fucks like you keep shooting at them
Source? I can recall maybe one case of someone shooting at ICE and a hundred of ICE shooting people then getting caught red-handed lying about it being justified.

> they're getting no local police support to handle jackasses like Molina thanks to the politicians you vote for.
They don't cooperate with local police because local police would probably arrest them if they had to come along with what they were doing to people. If a normal police officer behaved the way the average ICE thug does, he'd be suspended within weeks and be on review for months.

> We would go back to the good old days where police would pick up a criminal, find out their immigration status, and then transfer illegals to INS (ICE) after they served their sentence
This is literally still how it works retard.

>>1529693
>By the way I notice they didn't release the entire unedited dashcam video.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/aug/07/ice-body-cameras-footage-release
Its because you're a retarded ESL shill
ICE has millions of dollars for extra cameras on top of their existing dashcams and bodycams.
They've never been attacked

>>1529693
>we wouldn't have to send ICE into neighborhoods to dig them out
Why can't ICE arrest them where they're working again?
Not the real reason, because Republicunts love hiring illegal immigrants, whatever MIGA chud reason you're programmed to believe

>>1529694
>Source?
The one in Texas and the other one where the faggot redditor missed and shot two illegals (lol).

>They don't cooperate with local police because local police would probably arrest them
No they don't cooperate with local police because cocksuckers like Walz and whatever that fucking mayor of Minni-no-such-place. They're responsible for Alex and Renee getting shot.

>This is literally still how it works retard.
Except it's not according to Sheriff Bianco in Los Angeles.

>>1529696
>https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/aug/07/ice-body-cameras-footage-release
I said the dashcam video. The one from Molina, you illiterate chimp.

>>1529698
>You definately tried to run me over!
>No, you can't see my dashcam footage, we need to see all of yours to prove it
lmao, you really have a humiliation fetish

>>1529699
Retard.

>>1529700
>No really, we need all your dashcam footage
>I really do have footage of you trying to hit me, but you need to prove its fake
lmao, get fucked
you're beyond stupid

>>1529695
Also you have multiple shootings at ICE in Los Angeles. One even resulted in a US Marshall getting shot. Then there's another where a guy was recorded by a police helicopter but for some odd reason they haven't found him yet.

>>1529702
>Also you have multiple shootings at ICE in Los Angeles. One even resulted in a US Marshall getting shot
You mean this?
>https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjw9252d9vxo
Yeah not only did the charges get dropped because they acted unlawfully by depriving him of legal council and refusing to submit evidence to the court on time, but the US Marshall literally got hit by a ricochet from ICE themselves. The only person shooting at ICE agents in LA are other ICE agents too retarded and trigger happy to recognize proper firearms safety.

>>1529695
>Source?
Some guy got on a rooftop and shot at an ICE van leaving an ICE facility. He hit a few migrants set for deportation instead.

>>1529697
>The one in Texas and the other one where the faggot redditor missed and shot two illegals (lol).
Yeah so that's exactly two, both in Texas (clearly a blue stronghole). Compare that to the dozen or so cases of ICE lying about people driving at them with cars to justify why they opened fire, then getting caught lying when the bodycam and surveillance footage released.

>No they don't cooperate with local police because cocksuckers like Walz and whatever that fucking mayor of Minni-no-such-place. They're responsible for Alex and Renee getting shot.
Way to admit that you need actual law enforcement to act as tard guards because ICE is too stupid to not escalate to violence.

>Except it's not according to Sheriff Bianco in Los Angeles.
Sheriff Bianco? The same Sheriff Bianco who is a Republican? The Sheriff Bianco who is currently in a legal battle for illegally seizing ballots from California's 2025 election? The Sheriff Bianco who was literally a member of the fucking Oath Keepers and is an active Republican? The Sheriff Bianco that failed miserably at his gubernatorial campaign this year and didn't even make it to runoffs? The Sheriff Bianco that had the single largest total of inmate deaths in his County under his command, to the point they're still being investigated for excessive force and misconduct to this day?

That Sheriff Bianco?

LIGGERALS WANNA KILL OUR BRAVE BOYS IN BLUE. ONLY TRUMP CAN STOP THESE DEMONS!!!

>>1529706
is this all you do?

>>1529708
There is NO DISHONOR in defending America and our servicemen. Meanwhile liggerals spend every waking moment worshipping blacks, trannies, and communists, trying to destroy our hallowed institutions.

>>1529706
>>1529709
>Loses argument
>Immediately tries to start a different one

>>1529710
liggerals lost the 2020 election and stole it

Alright have fun with your gloves until midterms and then your entire platform gets shitcanned

>>1529717
A win is a win.

>>1529705
>Yeah so that's exactly two, both in Texas (clearly a blue stronghole).
Those were just off the top of my head, so clearly there's a pattern of retarded leftists like you shooting at ICE. So yeah they're a little jumpy right now. MAYBE ... now just here me out, this is going to sound crazy... but maybe if you animals didn't constantly follow them around and harass them all the time they wouldn't be on-guard so much.

>Way to admit that you need actual law enforcement to act as tard guards because ICE is too stupid to not escalate to violence.
No genius. The local police are needed to act as tard guards from dickheads like you who keep playing this schoolyard bullshit of getting in ICE's face and saying "I'm not touching you! You can't do anything to me! Lalala!"

>Sheriff Bianco? The same Sheriff Bianco who is a Republican?
Yeah, and? Is he wrong? Because I'm going to take the word of an actual sheriff on the handling of illegal immigrants to and from prison over some random lefty dicksuck on /nuReddit/.

>>1529720
>Those were just off the top of my head, so clearly there's a pattern of retarded leftists like you shooting at ICE.
So go find more, it shouldn't be so hard.

>MAYBE ... now just here me out, this is going to sound crazy... but maybe if you animals didn't constantly follow them around and harass them all the time
Incredible how normal cops get followed by first amendment auditors and sovereign citizens and the most force they ever have to use with those retards is a taser. Meanwhile ICE will pull a gun on you because they hit YOUR car.

>No genius. The local police are needed to act as tard guards from dickheads like you who keep playing this schoolyard bullshit of getting in ICE's face and saying "I'm not touching you! You can't do anything to me! Lalala!"
Once again, you are literally implying ICE is so violent and unable to control themselves they need local police to keep them as far from civilians as possible because they can't be trusted not to kill them.

>Yeah, and? Is he wrong? Because I'm going to take the word of an actual sheriff on the handling of illegal immigrants to and from prison over some random lefty dicksuck on /nuReddit/.
Yes. Bianco is literally just a republican echoing republican talking points to campaign while blatantly committing crimes himself.

>>1529703
https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/illegal-alien-mexico-charged-using-his-car-assault-federal-agents-attempting-arrest

>Given Parias’s continued refusal to comply with agents’ orders, an agent attempted to break the Camry’s driver’s side window. Parias still refused to submit to arrest, and then drove the Camry more aggressively, forwards towards one law enforcement vehicle. Parias’s aggressive driving escalated to the point that large plumes of smoke formed around the Camry, apparently caused by the spinning of the car’s tires.

>Not only was the Camry accelerating aggressively forward, but the rear of the car began to fishtail, which caused the agents to fear that Parias might lose control of the Camry and hit them. Parias’s aggressive acceleration of the Camry also caused debris (likely rubber being shed from the tires themselves) to fly into the air, which struck some of the agents.

>>1529722
>So go find more, it shouldn't be so hard.
I've given you two from Texas, two from California, and recently there was one in Phoenix at the administrative building. So that's a handful. Now show me your unlawful ICE shootings. Protip: Renee Good and Alex Pretti don't count, they were justified.

>Incredible how normal cops get followed by first amendment auditors and sovereign citizens and the most force they ever have to use with those retards is a taser.
Funny, ICE didn't have any problems detaining and arresting Alex Pretti a week before when he vandalized one of their vehicles. It's a real shame Walz didn't keep him in jail. He might be alive if the criminal wasn't allowed to keep doing criminal shit.

>Once again,
You can't read. Your dickhead politicians let you animals put themselves into positions where they can start confrontations with ICE. See Pretti.

>Yes.
Prove it.

>>1529724
>Now show me your unlawful ICE shootings.
Alright
>https://www.pennlive.com/crime/2026/07/watch-video-contradicts-ice-account-of-why-agent-opened-fire-in-harrisburg-neighborhood.html (Got caught lying about the guy's car hitting him)
>https://apnews.com/article/ice-shooting-houston-lorenzo-salgado-araugo-10cf77f29d4559f0f3796342b946031a (Witnesses confirm they shot him through the passenger window, plus they got caught lying about there being coke in the car)
>https://www.cnn.com/2026/07/13/us/live-news/maine-ice-shooting-houston-minnesota (Got shot for pulling out of his own driveway, once again ICE lied about him trying to hit them)
>https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/14/us/minneapolis-federal-agent-shooting-immigration.html (Got caught lying about being ambushed when bodycam came out, charges dropped)
>https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/21/us/marimar-martinez-shooting-case-what-we-know (Again, ICE claimed they tried to ram her, charges dropped after footage surfaced showing the opposite)

I've got more, btw. If they're so scared for their lives why do they actively get caught lying about what happened?

>>1529723
Once again, charges dropped.
>https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/indictment-dropped-tiktoker-shot-federal-agent-south-la-rcna251337

>>1529724
>Funny, ICE didn't have any problems detaining and arresting Alex Pretti a week before when he vandalized one of their vehicles. It's a real shame Walz didn't keep him in jail. He might be alive if the criminal wasn't allowed to keep doing criminal shit.
>You can't read. Your dickhead politicians let you animals put themselves into positions where they can start confrontations with ICE. See Pretti.
You keep supporting the idea these retards are too dangerous to be allowed near citizens.

>>1529727
Its also weird that despite ICE continually stating that they are being threatened by vehicles, they never wait and just arrest immigrants at their jobs.

MIGA keep claiming that millions of immigrants are taking US jobs, but they need to be arrested one by one while driving for some reason. Why can't you just take a burrito truck down to an illegal jobsite and grab the lot in one go?

They could even fine the employer, which would stop them from hiring more illegal immigrants.

>>1529726
>Once again, charges dropped.
Only because of a discovery deadline being missed. Not because he wasn't on camera trying to flee in a vehicle while boxed in.

>>1529727
>You keep supporting the idea these retards are too dangerous to be allowed near citizens.
You keep ignoring the part where your 'citizens' keep interfering with ICE. It's a simple fact: Alex Pretti would be alive if the local police were there doing crowd control and keeping faggots like him out of the street they were working in.

>>1529730
>Only because of a discovery deadline being missed. Not because he wasn't on camera trying to flee in a vehicle while boxed in.
Gee anon, why wouldn't they submit for the deadline? That's literally the easiest part of filing charges.

Oh, yeah wait, you're also leaving out how they denied him access to a lawyer post arrest.

>You keep ignoring the part where your 'citizens' keep interfering with ICE. It's a simple fact: Alex Pretti would be alive if the local police were there doing crowd control and keeping faggots like him out of the street they were working in.
Once again, you're literally saying that ICE needs people to keep them apart from civilians because they can't control themselves and will kill people for being mocked. They are too retarded to respond with anything other than violence if angered.

>>1529730
alex pretti's murderers and all other ice goons are inevitably going to be held accountable once the diaper shitting pedophile is no longer in charge

>>1529733
Genuinely someone needs to track how many ICE operatives either turn to crime, drugs, or suicide when it inevitably gets defunded. They aren't qualified to do anything else, so it's pretty inevitable they wind up on the streets.

>>1529732
Why won't you see ESL shills point of view?

ICE had him on tape, refused to send the tape to the defense, and ended up losing the case because they wouldn't let anyone see the video they definitely had.

Remember the first sentence: ICE had him on tape. Just turn off your brain and ignore the rest.

>>1529732
>Gee anon, why wouldn't they submit for the deadline? That's literally the easiest part of filing charges.
Don't know, don't care. He's still on camera trying to flee police in a vehicle, while boxed in, trying to ram his way out. So miss me with this one because some Californian left-wing judge let him go.
>Oh, yeah wait, you're also leaving out how they denied him access to a lawyer post arrest.
Probably because he was in a detention center at that time.

>Once again,
Once again, you keep ignoring how you dumb fuck retards - like Renee - like Pretti - like Marimar - like Molina (seeing a pattern yet) - keep provoking a confrontation with ICE. And in some cases they get killed because they either
A) try to drive off and hit an ICE agent
or
B) are resisting arrest while carrying a gun
None of these things would happen if local police did their job. But they can't, because the politicians you voted into office want these situations to happen. Both you and them want more confrontations with ICE, putting them in a position where they have to stop what they're doing to detain retard activists like you, then have you do something stupid like ramming one of them with your car while trying to escape, and then getting shot.

Which, again, wouldn't happen if you left ICE the fuck alone. But you can't, so enjoy getting shocked in the future.

>>1529736
nobody is here to read your diary esl shill. you lost the argument

>>1529737
You engaged with them and triggered their humiliation fetish.
ESL shill got off, and you got frustrated.
I don't think you can say ESL shill lost something they weren't trying for in the first place

>>1529736
>Which, again, wouldn't happen if you left ICE the fuck alone.
Yeah but these people are literally told to interfere with ICE.
They're doing the commie thing of acting like useful idiots and getting martyred for 'the struggle'.

>>1529739
here you go pretending to be multiple people again. god your life is humiliating

>>1529736
>Don't know, don't care. He's still on camera trying to flee police in a vehicle, while boxed in, trying to ram his way out. So miss me with this one because some Californian left-wing judge let him go.
Maybe don't deny people their lawyers and submit your evidence on time.
>Probably because he was in a detention center at that time.
Denying someone in detention access to a lawyer is still illegal anon.

> Both you and them want more confrontations with ICE, putting them in a position where they have to stop what they're doing to detain retard activists like you, then have you do something stupid like ramming one of them with your car while trying to escape, and then getting shot.
And you're still admitting that ICE cannot be trusted not to shoot them while normal police can, once again showing that ICE are a bunch of trigger happy retards who need to be kept from civilians.

>>1529742
>Maybe don't deny people their lawyers and submit your evidence on time.
Maybe. I'll give you that ICE fucked up the lawyer part of it. That still doesn't change the fact that this asshole doesn't belong in the country and tried to ram his way out to escape. So as far as I'm concerned, ICE did what they were supposed to. Unfortunately, they fucked up the paperwork so we have to let this criminal stay in America even though he's not supposed to be here at all.

>And you're still admitting that ICE cannot be trusted not to shoot them while normal police can,
Did ICE shoot Pretti the first time they detained him when he kicked the light out of their SUV? No?

I wonder what was different that day. There must've been some kind of variable that changed everything...

>>1529745
how many times are you going to lose the same argument?

>>1529745
>Did ICE shoot Pretti the first time they detained him when he kicked the light out of their SUV? No?
NTA. He fought with them three separate times.

>>1529745
>Did ICE shoot Pretti the first time they detained him when he kicked the light out of their SUV? No?
Yeah so why couldn't they detain him when all he did was help up another person they knocked down?

>I wonder what was different that day.
Couldn't have been the gun, since he was not only legal carrying, but also didn't draw it and didn't brandish it when they moved to beat him on the ground.

And again, this just shows these retards carry grudges and lose control. Every time you claim police should be separating ICE from protestors you support this, because why can local PD be trusted not to gun down civilians protesting them but not ICE?

>>1529747
we all know you're responding to yourself again

>>1529747
Pretti could have beaten the shit out of every ICE officer in those first three encounters and cucked their wives on tape.

It still doesn't mean ICE officers can murder him without any provocation.

>>1529751
More dead liggerals is always a good thing

>>1529752
that nonexistent word will never catch on or mean anything esl shill

>>1529749
>Yeah so why couldn't they detain him when all he did was help up another person they knocked down?
Did you miss the part where he was resisting arrest?

>Couldn't have been the gun, since he was not only legal carrying,
Wrong! WRONG!

>>1529753
but inventing an english word as an esl will make them more english
is true!

>>1529754
>Did you miss the part where he was resisting arrest?
Yeah we've been over this. He wasn't arresting, they were beating the shit out of him and then shot him for legally carrying a gun he didn't brandish or even go for.

>>1529754
your version of reality literally doesn't matter since it's a shared maga delusion

>>1529756
>and then shot him for legally carrying a gun
lol yeah you keep saying this. It still remains incorrect.

>>1529758
esl shill, you've lost this argument countless times. you think gun owners deserve to be murdered for not having an ID on them, which is patently false. please get a real job

>>1529758
>lol yeah you keep saying this. It still remains incorrect.
Why did they shoot him then? He visibly wasn't resisting, not to mention he was already restrained.

>>1529760
>Why did they shoot him then? He visibly wasn't resisting,
That is also incorrect.
>not to mention he was already restrained.
And THAT is also incorrect. Fucking hat trick.

>>1529756
>and then shot him for legally carrying a gun he didn't brandish or even go for.
>>1529758
>lol yeah you keep saying this. It still remains incorrect.

Correct, ICE agents killed Pretti because they were poorly trained chuds who panicked after they failed to securely disarm Pretti of his legally held firearm.
Clearly manslaughter

>>1529761
you can't just say "incorrect" to reality. i mean you can, but you'll be made fun of

>>1529762
I'd love to see a disgusting fatbody like you try to disarm and detain anyone. Especially a repeat offender who clearly doesn't give a fuck about going to jail for the third time that month.

>>1529761
You can keep saying this but we've all seen the video. Nothing about what those officers did to Alex Pretti was lawful and everyone there should (and would if it wasn't for the Trump admin directly intervening to shield them from prosecution) face charges.

>>1529764
so you're fat and esl?

>>1529766
>You can keep saying this but we've all seen the video.
Yeah, where he's clearly resisting. We've also seen the video of Renee Good hitting an ICE agent with her SUV, but you fags pretend to not see that either.

>Nothing about what those officers did to Alex Pretti was lawful
Well jackass, since you don't want local police there to detain him then it falls on ICE to do their job and detain fuckwits like Pretti when they're constantly fucking with ICE doing their job. Right? So even though they're not specialized in crowd control like a riot squad, they have to fill that role because dumb whores like you set it up that way. Now you're upset they don't do a perfect job? Maybe next time don't keep police from policing.

>>1529769
here's your daily reminder to get a real job. being a lying faggot day in and day out can't be good for you

>>1529767
esl shill is projecting for sure

you can tell they're mad because they're agreeing that ICE are poorly trained chuds

>>1529769
>Yeah, where he's clearly resisting.
Was it between him getting tacked by four thugs and hit in the head repeatedly by the fifth and then him getting shot because they found his gun and panicked immediately?

>Well jackass, since you don't want local police there to detain him then it falls on ICE to do their job and detain fuckwits like Pretti when they're constantly fucking with ICE doing their job. Right? So even though they're not specialized in crowd control like a riot squad, they have to fill that role because dumb whores like you set it up that way. Now you're upset they don't do a perfect job? Maybe next time don't keep police from policing.
And again, admitting these retards are neither qualified or stable enough to be in contact with civilians.

>>1529772
>Was it between him getting tacked by four thugs and hit in the head repeatedly by the fifth and then him getting shot because they found his gun and panicked immediately?
All of it. He was resisting the whole time up until he got shot.

Which you can clearly see but you want to pretend you don't.

>And again, admitting these retards are neither qualified or stable enough to be in contact with civilians.
I'm not going to keep explaining simple shit to you, so for the sake of argument you and all your faggot friends deserved to get the shocker treatment because you keep fucking with ICE while they're trying to do their jobs and you don't want local police to wrangle you tards from committing more crimes. Honestly, after this conversation I hope more of you get shot for being stupid.

>>1529773
turn off your magavision and we'll stop pointing and laughing at you esl shill

>>1529773
>Which you can clearly see but you want to pretend you don't.
Where and how?

>I'm not going to keep explaining simple shit to you, so for the sake of argument you and all your faggot friends deserved to get the shocker treatment because you keep fucking with ICE while they're trying to do their jobs and you don't want local police to wrangle you tards from committing more crimes. Honestly, after this conversation I hope more of you get shot for being stupid.
And again admitting that ICE are a bunch of dangerous, trigger happy idiots who cannot be trusted near civilians. Literally every time you respond you contribute more evidence supporting this.

>>1529776
>Where and how?
The whole video where he's struggling with cops and not putting his hands behind his back. Like he did last time and probably before that and so on and so forth. But please keep saying he dindu nuffin.

>And again admitting that ICE are a bunch of dangerous, trigger happy idiots who cannot be trusted near civilians. Literally every time you respond you contribute more evidence supporting this.
At this point I don't give a shit. I'm willing to concede this point just to get you to acknowledge that you should stop holding local police back and let them reign you worthless fucks in so ICE can focus on their job.

Because they're not going anywhere as long as sanctuary cities exist. Deal with it.

>>1529777
oh, the video where he gets jumped by a bunch of brownshirts and murdered? where he's never even told he's under arrest? we all look forward to you crying about the imprisoned murderers who killed alex pretti and how they "dindu nuffin"

>>1529777
>The whole video where he's struggling with cops and not putting his hands behind his back. Like he did last time and probably before that and so on and so forth. But please keep saying he dindu nuffin.
You mean the hands that are pinned down by the retards?

>At this point I don't give a shit. I'm willing to concede this point just to get you to acknowledge that you should stop holding local police back and let them reign you worthless fucks in so ICE can focus on their job.
Yeah so, thank you for admitting we have a bunch of untrained, dangerous retards who can't be trusted around civilians. And now that you have...

>Because they're not going anywhere as long as sanctuary cities exist. Deal with it.
They can and they are. ICE has existed for less than three decades and with how horrific the organization has become, they're not gonna make it to 30 years of operation. Say goodbye to all their funding the moment a dem gets back in power; it'll be fun watching all those new agents go homeless. At least for the ones who won't promptly get arrested anyway.

>>1529780
>You mean the hands that are pinned down by the retards?
That weren't behind is back because he was fighting with them the whole time.

>Yeah so, thank you for admitting we have a bunch of untrained, dangerous retards who can't be trusted around civilians.
That you retards keep provoking, stalking, harassing, and occasionally shooting at - and then play the victim when you get fucked up.

You deserve it.

>They can and they are.
Oh really? Because it looks like they're still tossing out illegals.

>Say goodbye to all their funding the moment a dem gets back in power;
Yeah but you'll have to open the borders again like Biden did to replace the ones we kicked out despite your failing efforts to keep illegals in - and that will ensure the next candidate will be another Republican who will hopefully carry on Trump's effective border policy.

>>1529781
>That weren't behind is back because he was fighting with them the whole time.
ESL shill....

>>1529781
you're literally not american

>>1529781
>That weren't behind is back because he was fighting with them the whole time.
Anon we have eyes.

>Oh really? Because it looks like they're still tossing out illegals.
You got until midterms.

>Yeah but you'll have to open the borders again like Biden did to replace the ones we kicked out despite your failing efforts to keep illegals in - and that will ensure the next candidate will be another Republican who will hopefully carry on Trump's effective border policy.
Lmao, leaving the bullshit open border talking points aside; you think after this disaster of a presidency a Republican is getting into power within the next decade? You put all your eggs into the Trump basket, he's tainted the party for years to come even if he croaks tomorrow.

>>1529784
>Anon we have eyes.
Except yours never work when it's convenient to you. Here's a quick vision test: Did Renee Good hit an ICE agent with her car?

>You got until midterms.
And then what? Congress is actually going to agree on something? LMAO

>you think after this disaster of a presidency a Republican is getting into power within the next decade?
Unless you dems go through with your plan to pack the court and senate like Kamala has talked about... and then it's civil war time! Because you're out of your fucking minds if you think you're going to lock Republicans out of power for the next 100 years and there won't be heavy consequences.

>>1529785
god you're esl

>ESL shill bends over and 'pretends' that they weren't BTFO multiple times trying to defend ICE murders

>>1529784
Guess you didn't want to take that vision test, huh? So much for your eyes.

Joe and Hunter Briben gang rape children. It's a Briben crime family tradition

>>1529525
Found video of the new gloves.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYHXaqIMHxs

If the glove zaps, you must go back-

>>1529785
>Here's a quick vision test: Did Renee Good hit an ICE agent with her car?
No and you still can't prove otherwise even with 4 different angles of the event.

>And then what? Congress is actually going to agree on something? LMAO
Goodbye funding.

>Unless you dems go through with your plan to pack the court and senate like Kamala has talked about... and then it's civil war time! Because you're out of your fucking minds if you think you're going to lock Republicans out of power for the next 100 years and there won't be heavy consequences.
Retard you're going to get swept in elections because Republicans got all three branches and promptly produced the most corrupt and inept government in US history.

>>1529813
>Republicans are so corrupt! Waaaaaah!
>dems still need to cheat by having USBs with thousands of votes towards their candidate to win

I will say you are right that Thune IS the most corrupt and inept republican senate of our times.

>>1529817
Wrong thread and wrong post buddy.

>>1529817
>>Republicans are so corrupt! Waaaaaah!
The Republican president right now has repeatedly gotten caught being paid off by fraudsters for pardons and literally started openly selling insider trading knowledge for a 100k fee last week.

>>1529819
>gotten caught being paid off by fraudsters for pardons and literally started openly selling insider trading knowledge for a 100k fee last week.
this is still magnitudes less corrupt than dems cheating in elections, handing out billions to Learing Centers, and the SPLC being the biggest donors to the KKK.

>>1529820
>this is still magnitudes less corrupt than dems cheating in elections, handing out billions to Learing Centers, and the SPLC being the biggest donors to the KKK.
yeah literally all three of these are bullshit.

Also way to dismiss open corruption because "wah the things the dems in my head did are worse". Like fuck man can you not admit maybe the issue is "holy shit the president of the US can literally be bought"

>>1529821
>yeah literally all three of these are bullshit.
how so?
>"wah the things the dems in my head did are worse".
yes. why would i or anyone vote for you guys if you are objectively more corrupt and worse?

>>1529813
>inept
>lowest illegal border crossings since disco was mainstream
>https://www.cbsnews.com/news/illegal-crossings-immigration-us-mexico-southern-border-lowest-level-1970-trump-dhs/

>>1529822
>yes. why would i or anyone vote for you guys if you are objectively more corrupt and worse?
Based on what metrics?

>>1529836
>please ignore literally every other aspect of this admin, such as getting us into war with Iran, the open corruption, the repeated fuck ups like DOGE and the entire reflecting pool saga (which now includes the admin actively trying to frame an innocent man even after they admitted it was their contractors screwed up), the multiple easily avoidable public health outbreaks, and completely destroying the US' ties and reputation with basically all our allies and trade partners
Also, with how much Trump and his admin lies, I doubt this will stand up to scrutiny in hindsight.

>>1529850
>please ignore literally every other aspect of this admin,
Okay. I will. You can sperg about those minor things while I enjoy having less undocumented migrants running around.

>>1529855
>Just minor things like a new forever war and economic devastation

>>1529856
>>Just minor things like a new forever war
So what we've been dealing with since 2001?
>inb4 no this time it's different!
Yeah okay.

>and economic devastation
I'm doing better now than I was under Biden, when every dem was trying to gaslight us about how great the economy was going and we just don't understand how inflation works.

>>1529858
>What have we been dealing with since 2001?
Are you talking about a forever war in the middle east? Because it's been going on for longer than that you fucking illiterate toddler. And us having wars in the past is not a blanket greenlight to arbitrarily declare war on anyone, you can't just be like "yeah we were at war with Kore aonce, so we can invade fucking mongolia,"

Also, that's a glass fucking house for you considering trump negotiated our surrender and withdrawal to the last one with fucking alqueda instead of the Afghani government, who, surprise surprise, were slaughtered by the former immediately after we left, complete wasting all of our efforts to 'install managed democracy' and wating the lives of everyone who died there.
>I'm doing better.
I mean you aren't, no, nobody is, but way to take a big bite of the shit sandwich and keep a smile just so you can own the libs you fucking brainlet.

>>1529859
>Are you talking about a forever war in the middle east? Because it's been going on for longer than that you fucking illiterate toddler.
So why are you acting like this is anything new, you fairy homosexual? Please go ahead and educate this OIF/OEF vet.

>I mean you aren't,
I mean yeah I am. But I guess you also know my financial situation better than I do, as well as the geopolitics of the Middle East.

>esl shill pretending to be a vet again
Stolen Valor is the goofiest of common MIGA fraud

>>1529869
>Please go ahead and educate this OIF/OEF vet.
Incredible how a veteran sees no problem with starting another war right after we were all but done with the middle east. A war Trump specifically campaigned that Harris would start as a point against her no less.

>I mean yeah I am
Curious: how so? Your groceries any cheaper than when Biden left office? How about your gas?

>>1529904
>Incredible how a veteran sees no problem with starting another war right after we were all but done with the middle east.
Did I say that? Also it's hilarious how you're talking shit, "it's been going on for longer than that you fucking illiterate toddler", then say something so naive and childish as "we were all but done with the middle east."

Spoiler alert: we are never leaving the middle east. We're actually building oil pipelines in Iraq right now, so I don't know how you came to the conclusion that we were all done with the sandbox until Trump came along and fucked it up.

>>1529905
>Did I say that? Also it's hilarious how you're talking shit, "it's been going on for longer than that you fucking illiterate toddler", then say something so naive and childish as "we were all but done with the middle east."
Different anons retard. Not to mention Trump literally campaigned on the opposite of what he did, and it's become clear we're losing the war he started for good measure.

>>1529906
>Different anons retard.
Cool, you're both gay and retarded. Either way I never said I had "no problem" with another war in the Middle East. I just understand and accept that it will never end no matter who is in office.

>and it's become clear we're losing the war he started for good measure.
By what metric? We have air superiority, we've had far less casualties, we've destroyed their entire navy and air force. In what way are we losing this war? I'm genuinely curious.

>>1529907
you sure are a dumb faggot. if you don't know how to interpret reality as reality, nobody can help you

>>1529907
>I just understand and accept that it will never end no matter who is in office.
Thats because you're a retarded ESL shill who conveniently ignores that Republicunts have started every war in the middle east for almost 60 years

>>1529909
>obama dindu nuffin

>>1529912
how do you still have this job you silly faggot. do you have no dignity whatsoever

>>1529907
>By what metric? We have air superiority, we've had far less casualties, we've destroyed their entire navy and air force. In what way are we losing this war? I'm genuinely curious.
Gas is $4, their navy and air force is pointedly still able to do damage, and the literal only way to end the conflict without destroying the global economy is to back out and let them have control of the Strait of Hormuz, something they didn't have before.

Yeah, we killed their old leadership. But in exchange new, younger and more extreme officials are in power, the protest movement against the ayatollah is basically dead, and most importantly they've now gained a multi-billion source of income they didn't have before, gaining sovereignty over one of the most important trade routes in the world they didn't have before because Trump gave them a free pass to do so.

>>1529907
>In what way are we losing this war?
The Strait is mined and ships are still subject to attacks by Iran.
Trump could do the Big Funny and open the Strait for good, but he's not willing to do that because it would be a PR nightmare.

>>1529918
>Trump could do the Big Funny and open the Strait for good, but he's not willing to do that because it would be a PR nightmare.
Don't forget they'd almost inevitably bomb the shit out of the rest of the gulf in response and basically take the global economy with them.

>>1529919
>they'd almost inevitably bomb the shit out of the rest of the gulf in response
Big Funny = WMD
Not necessarily nukes, but potentially nukes.

>>1529920
Nukes mean the concern goes from "Iran bombs the shit out of the gulf" to "Every nuclear armed country panics and the world fucking ends".

Hell even if that doesn't happen, Iran's munitions and networks are spread out enough they'd likely still be able to take out the oil infrastructure of the middle east in response.

>>1529921
>"Every nuclear armed country panics and the world fucking ends"
The US has WMD's that are far more lethal than nukes and virtually undetectable. But Trump is a narcissist and doesn't want to use them, e.g the Dugway Zapper.

>>1529916
>Gas is $4,
So? If gas goes up to $5 we lose the war? That's not how this works.
>their navy and air force is pointedly still able to do damage,
LOL what navy and air force? They don't have either. They're able to throw a few rockets and drones, which =/= navy/AF.
>and the literal only way to end the conflict without destroying the global economy is to back out and let them have control of the Strait of Hormuz
No actually there's a few different ways if bombings alone don't work, ranging from an invasion of Iran to diverting oil west via pipelines in Iraq.

We have far more options left than they do. This idea we're losing only exists on the internet.

>>1529918
>The Strait is mined and ships are still subject to attacks by Iran.
Just because they can get a few lucky shots in, at the cost of their lives, doesn't mean we're losing. This is like saying America doesn't have control of the MSRs in Iraq because occasionally an IED goes off.

>>1529925
>we
esl shill...

>>1529925
>Just because they can get a few lucky shots in, at the cost of their lives, doesn't mean we're losing
Insurers aren't going to cover any shipping company that tries to traverse the strait because a single tanker going down costs them hundreds of millions of dollars to reimburse.
Iran literally admitted that they don't know where all the mines are, so I'm pretty sure the strait is permafucked.

>>1529928
>I'm pretty sure the strait is permafucked.
>He says hoping to win the midterms

>>1529925
>So? If gas goes up to $5 we lose the war? That's not how this works.
The strait being closed means 20% of global maritime diesel exports are cut off. It's not just a matter of getting oil. It's about getting the right kinds of oil to the right kinds of refineries, which has resulted in a massive energy bottleneck.
Less diesel = prices go up. And since trade logistics depend on oil, consumer goods like food and clothes are going to skyrocket in price unless the situation is resolved.
>LOL what navy and air force? They don't have either.
Iran is a mountainous region filled with religious zealots. They've been building bunkers and silos in preparation for this war because they predicted this would happen.
>>1529933
I'm fine admitting Trump is a retard.

>>1529925
>So? If gas goes up to $5 we lose the war? That's not how this works.
You start a war and it hurts you more than your enemy, yeah you fucking lost. Congrats, you killed their politicians in exchange for your entire economy.

>No actually there's a few different ways if bombings alone don't work, ranging from an invasion of Iran to diverting oil west via pipelines in Iraq.
The former leads to global economic crisis when oil gets the shit bombed out of it, the latter is impractical and we can't hold out for that long.

>>1529938
I think the problem with your analysis is it assumes oil is the only thing passing through the strait normally. Aren't other things also shipped through the strait? Like what percentage of Iranian exports are shipped through the strait Vs exported via train or truck?

>>1529928
And prices will go up, yet our military can still strike them anytime, anywhere. Still not seeing the part where we lost the war.

>>1529938
>Iran is a mountainous region filled with religious zealots.
Yes, but the coast isn't.

>>1529944
>You start a war and it hurts you more than your enemy, yeah you fucking lost.
Well for one thing this war has already started decades ago, as someone already mentioned. We've been fighting Iranian insurgents inside Iraq for a while now. It's only now we're being direct instead of this pussy 3rd-party bullshit. Second, our economy isn't on the verge of collapse (such drama). Meanwhile they don't have a functional government. Nobody is giving orders over there because nobody knows who is in charge. The IRGC claim they are but we'll see how long that lasts.

And isn't this a thread about ICE? How the fuck did we get so off course?

>>1529950
>Like what percentage of Iranian exports are shipped through the strait Vs exported via train or truck?
90%~. For OPEC it's 30%~.
>And prices will go up, yet our military can still strike them anytime, anywhere.
This is bait. We've already distanced our carriers from the region.
Not a serious person 0/10 brush your teeth.

>>1529956
>And prices will go up, yet our military can still strike them anytime, anywhere. Still not seeing the part where we lost the war.
Both you and Russia have been coping with this line for years re: Ukraine.
No one thinks Russia's winning there, either

>>1529960
Russia is winning and so is America.

>>1529956
>And prices will go up, yet our military can still strike them anytime, anywhere. Still not seeing the part where we lost the war.
Yeah that's not a victory.

>Yes, but the coast isn't.
Doesn't matter.

>Well for one thing this war has already started decades ago, as someone already mentioned. We've been fighting Iranian insurgents inside Iraq for a while now. It's only now we're being direct instead of this pussy 3rd-party bullshit.
This is vastly different.

>Second, our economy isn't on the verge of collapse (such drama).
It is on the verge of going massively downhill as general prices rise and make our already existing problems worse and worse.

>Meanwhile they don't have a functional government. Nobody is giving orders over there because nobody knows who is in charge
They literally do. The new leadership being reclusive because they know the US will try to kill them like the old doesn't mean they have no command structure.

>And isn't this a thread about ICE? How the fuck did we get so off course?
You literally brought it up.

>>1529960
So who do people think is winning?

>>1529960
>Both you and Russia have been coping with this line for years re: Ukraine.
The difference is Russia has lost over a million soldiers. How many casualties have we had?

>>1529962
>Yeah that's not a victory.
Not a defeat either.

>Doesn't matter.
It does if we're limiting our goal to the strait only.

>This is vastly different.
And I would argue better. Iran has been killing our people for years. Now we're directly hitting them back.

>It is on the verge of going massively downhill as general prices rise and make our already existing problems worse and worse.
I'm betting we'll hold out before they do.

>They literally do. The new leadership being reclusive because they know the US will try to kill them like the old doesn't mean they have no command structure.
Whatever. Agree to disagree.

>You literally brought it up.
No that would be this guy >>1529850

>>1529969
You can cope and pretend the US hasn't lost if it makes you feel better.
But we haven't come anywhere close to winning.

>>1529956
>Well for one thing this war has already started decades ago
Then why has trade through the strait been uninterrupted until recently?
> Second, our economy isn't on the verge of collapse (such drama).
Strawman argument. Nobody is suggesting that our economy is going to collapse. What we're telling you is that things are going to get substantially more expensive as time moves forward.
Since you're shitposting on 4chan during a weekday, this probably isn't going to be a problem for you, but it will be a problem for the people living paycheck to paycheck.

>>1529976
>>Well for one thing this war has already started decades ago
>Then why has trade through the strait been uninterrupted until recently?
You're not talking to an American, you're obviously talking to an Israeli glowie

>>1529976
Imagine listening to a Democrat in an election year. Holy shit, you'd have to be retarded to do such a silly thing in 2026.

>>1529972
>we
OK, Yvan.

>>1529997
Yvan’s my brother so stop talking you stupid munkey!

I'm just wondering how this will even work. Are there battery packs like a Taser? Could they just go off when your driving or taking a piss?

Fact is, come at me wearing them you can expect to get shot, point blank range. I don't care who you are or what you think I'm going to fucking kill you. I'm my state i have the right to kill you anywhere. Even at my workplace or in my car.

ICE won't do shit.

>>1529662
>free speech makes me feel threatened because complex ideas hurt my head

>>1530034
>self-projecting leftist
leftists don't have complex ideas, your whole identity is terrorism is fine as long as its for causes I made up. Oppose trump on everything and exaggerate and escalate to violence when its on an outsider and screech about how X person doesn't represent me when you inevitably support another domestic terrorist rapist child predator.
amazing complex handbook have you ever considered looking up the psychology of narcassists by the way? you fit it to a T

>>1530093
>Self-projecting.
>I am either a simpleton or learned English in a classroom. Projecting already implies they are projecting themselves onto something else, you don't need 'self'. From a repug standpoint I'm also projecting on literally every other issue here.
>Also, you should trust me to diagnose narcissism, because I don't even know what projection is. I'm a fucking moron! And I'm speaking with authority about shit I don't know about. And that DEFINITELY isn't a narcissistic trait, and I DEFINITELY don't exhibit traits of the dark triad like most right wing psychopaths.

>>1529662
totally agree

>>1530093
>leftists don't have complex ideas
FUCKING LMFAO
>there-is-more-diversity-of-thought-on-the-right-than-the-v0-60zxfkbg3ubf1.webp

Diversity of thought on the right
>God intended child brides
>age of consent is a myth
>Slavery wasnt THAT bad
>Right to teach flat earth at home school
>flouride turns you gay and it almost got me but not me I stopped drinking it
>vaccines are a DNA killswitch to be activated ANY DAY NOW


Diversity of thought on the left
>Trump raped kids
>isreal is buying elections to comit an ethnic cleansing for land

what does this do that a shock baton or tazer doesnt already do

>>1530297
Create opportunities for slapstick when they accidentally zap themselves in public. Or fuel for more unrest when they grab someone by the neck and then have their buddies kick them to death for thrashing while being electrocuted.

>Ranged tasers - keep your distance if homeboy is brandishing a knife
>Issue: Doesn't always connect, can get caught on clothing
>Close-range tasers - jam this into a dude's balls/etc to take him down (Fun for a night with the bros)
>Issue: You need to get within shanking distance
>Shock Gloves
>Issue: You still have to get within shanking distance to use these
>Issue: You now have to fondle another man's balls to apply a shock to them
Ballpark Conspiracy, I haven't looked anything up so this is just a guess: The CEO of the company said nice things about trump/bad things about the democrats, and now he's getting funding for this redundant technology.