A spokesman told semi-official Iranian news agency Tasnim News: "There are no talks taking place between IRGC officials and the Americans, and this lie by Trump is merely fantasies caused by the delusions and nightmares he has suffered as a result of defeat and desperation in the war."

A map of the Middle East shows Israel, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates (UAE), Oman and Iran. The Gulf and the Strait of Hormuz are labelled, highlighting the narrow waterway between Iran and Oman that connects the Gulf to the Gulf of Oman.

Trump made his threat to Oman a few hours after Iran had said the two countries had reached an agreement for ships to travel through the Strait.

Iran's foreign ministry spokesman Esmaeil Baghaei told reporters "an understanding has been reached regarding the map of the transit route".

He added that both sides would finalise the details before issuing a joint statement. Oman has previously described these talks as positive.

Earlier this month, Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi said a full reopening was dependent on Iran receiving compensation from the US for what Tehran described as violations of the MoU.

Reuters - citing an Iranian official - previously reported that Tehran was seeking fees of between 5% and 7% of the price of cargoes from vessels who travel through the Strait.

While Trump said in his call with Fox that he had a direct backchannel with the IRGC, he said he was in no hurry to bring the war to a close.

"They're good poker players, but they're dying," he was quoted as saying. "I have no time schedule. I'm not in a hurry."

The Memorandum of Understanding between the US and Iran, signed on 18 June, was designed to bring about a ceasefire and at least partly reopen the Strait of Hormuz. But it fell apart a short time later when both sides resumed strikes.

On 8 July, Trump said the ceasefire was "over" and blasted Iran's leadership as "scum" and "cuckoo" after fresh exchanges of fire.

>>1530339
$20 he genuinely forgot that Oman was a US ally and just thought it was another random Middle East country/territory vaguely lumped in with Iran.

>>1530343
I'll take that bet easy, Trump is genuinely dumb enough that he thought both countries were Iran

>>1530339
Yeah I remember a lot of things
Like when the last president said he would cure cancer
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/06/12/joe-biden-cure-cancer-campaign-richmond-bolduan-sot-ath-vpx.cnn

>ESL shills TDS has them randomly bring up Biden again
We call you a shill because if you're doing it for free you have a mental illness.

>>1530349
It's amazing how much trump denies he conspired with Russia. Which he did.
Given his shills LOVE using Russian propaganda tactics to defend his failures.
https://files.catbox.moe/1nmmn6.jpg

>>1530346
Haha this I mean bombing an ally is bad but what about Biden huh?! Doesn’t look so bad by comparison

>>1530356
Why would it be a Russian tactic to point out both sides? Wouldn't it be a Republican tactic to say that the past Democratic president was doing the exact same thing they were calling intolerable and grounds for impeachment when done by a Republican?

>>1530345
>Trump is genuinely dumb enough that he thought both countries were Iran
Can you say 'Islamic Republic of Japan', miggers?
Time to wake up and smell the covfefe with retardation-flavored creamer, Trumptards. The fact that Democrats have won elections since late 2025, including a Democrat mayor in the area which includes Mar-a-Lago, proves that even Republican voters have chosen sanity.
Even the right-wing Daily Mail - just after a certain election in late 2020 - said that Biden was 'The voice of reason and sanity'. The Biden administration regarded Oman as a valuable ally. Just as UK has for decades. But then, even with so many Conservative & Labour PMs, it's not just Oman who have been close allies with that country.
Alliances strengthen nations. As does diplomatic relations. Trump is the laughingstock of the world.

>>1530362
It's one thing to fuck up a name; funny, a bit concerning considering his age, but hey it happens and it doesn't have an effect on politics beyond a soundbyte.

Threatening to bomb a major US ally in the Middle East is a big fuck up though with possibly lasting repercussions.

>>1530339
They backstabbed Trump and therefore America by making deals that aren’t profitable for the Trump family. This is basically sedition so we should bomb them

>we
Hi, liggy miggy piggy.

>>1530360
>Why is it a Russian tactic to both side trump threaten to bomb a US ally?
Why are conservatives who use Russian propaganda tactics the master of bad faith debates?

Miggers say there's nothing wrong with this forever war by saying Iran says "Death to America" and they want to create a nuke. So I guess they're fine with Trump sucking Kim Jong-un's dick despite North Korea saying "Death to America", and they already have nukes.
Miggers are fine with Trump giving Saudi Arabia the ability to create nukes. Strange that they don't equally want Trump to bomb Saudi Arabia - a Muslim country - if the notion of Muslims having nukes is such a bad idea. They seem to have forgotten about 9/11: Saudi Arabia is responsible for that.
But then, hypocrisy is hardwired into the DNA of miggers.

>>1530370
The difference is the Saudis gave trump a 2 billion dollar bribe for their nukes given some of the top secret information trump stole was about nukes.

>>1530369
Do you think president Bill Clinton threatened to bomb a US ally during the Kosovo crisis in 1998-1999, or is what Trump did beyond the pale, prior presidents have never threatened to bomb US allies.
There's two universes. One where prior presidents did actions similar to Trump in their capacity as president, and one where he stands alone, nothing he does is comparable to any past president

>>1530376
is there a universe where you get a real job

>>1530377
Yeah the universe where you voted for Trump instead of being a liggeral

>>1530378
a no would've sufficed

>>1530339
Trump has to be the hero, y’know…

>>1530379
Imaginary universes are all the liggy miggy piggy has left, with time running out against an impossible to defeat opponent: reality.
The midterms when, by taking the Senate & HoR, Democrats politically castrate 1530378's orange god with hair of clay, and brain of mush. Then win the election in 2028, thus Total MAGA Death on 20th January 2029.
No wonder rightists are reduced to delusions.

>>1530376
See
>>1530356

>>1530339
>Remember when MAGA lied to your face when they said they wouldn't start more wars?
Not really.

>>1530343
>>1530345
Look, it's not the first US ally that Trump has threatened to invade. Or the second. Or the 3rd.

Just as Bibi needs this war to avoid a corruption trial, Trump has no choice but to have this forever war as a distraction from something equally politically lethal. It can be summed up in the actual name of such:
Elite Protective Squadron To Eliminate Islamic Nemeses.

>>1530390
Clever?
>Anon thinks that if he continues a scam team blue will get elected and do things for the basement lurking creature.
Get a job. Find Jesus Democrats won't save you. Jesus will.

>>1530396
anon, you fantasize about man rape constantly. you're not christian

>>1530370
>They seem to have forgotten about 9/11: Saudi Arabia is responsible for that.
*Israel is responsible for that

>>1530376
Anon there's a very big difference between Clinton threatening to bomb Yugoslavia to deter them from ethnic cleansing a civilian population and Trump randomly threatening to bomb the shit out of Oman for trying to help get a peace treaty with Iran.

Especially in terms of geopolitical ramifications, because WE KINDA FUCKING NEED OMAN AS OUR PRIMARY ALLY IN THE REGION YOU FUCKING RETARD.

1530398
>Saudi Arabia is responsible for that
ftfy
>1530396 has the ability to think?
Get a job. Democrats will save you. A fictional Jew with two fictional Jewish daddies won't save you, 1530396 with a fetish for gay sex. *Tips Trilby*

>>1530399
>Anon there's a very big difference between Clinton threatening to bomb Yugoslavia to deter them from ethnic cleansing a civilian population and Trump randomly threatening to bomb the shit out of Oman for trying to help get a peace treaty with Iran.
Clinton tried to initiate a war against Iraq in 1995. He also created embargoes that killed half a million Iraqi children, the ultimate goal of which was to "prevent Saddam from acquiring weapons of mass destruction".
Dems have done a lot of worse shit most of you don't know about because the press is left-leaning.

>>1530399
Primary ally in the region?

i wonder why certain posters can't stay on topic

>>1530409
>Clinton tried to initiate a war against Iraq in 1995. He also created embargoes that killed half a million Iraqi children, the ultimate goal of which was to "prevent Saddam from acquiring weapons of mass destruction".
And now Trump is doing the exact same retarded thing, except we're fucking LOSING on top of that and casually handed Iran a multi-billion source of revenue while also literally bombing the shit out of school children.

Nevermind that if we're gonna talk about "embargoes that killed half a million children", we have to talk about defunding USAID and casually being responsible for over 700,000 and counting child deaths.

>>1530418
>except we're fucking LOSING
>US casualties are ridiculously low, compared to Iran
>US has compete air superiority over the entire country
>Iranian Navy no longer exists
>... but gas prices are up a dollar so that means we lose. Game over man! Game fucking over!

>>1530420
>>US casualties are ridiculously low, compared to Iran
Casualties aren't everything.

>>US has compete air superiority over the entire country
>>Iranian Navy no longer exists
Then why isn't the Strait open?

>>... but gas prices are up a dollar so that means we lose. Game over man! Game fucking over!
Actually yes, if you start a war and you're the one who winds up economically devastated while your enemy gains a multi-billion yearly revenue source, then yeah you fucking lost.

>>1530418
>And now Trump is doing the exact same retarded thing
..my point being, the US government strip-mining the value of the dollar to help Israel do retarded shit has been an ongoing trend for more than thirty years.
It's retarded and myopic to pull a BUT BLUMPF reaction on this shit.

>>1530425
it's more myopic to literally be a shill

>>1530339
>A reporter for Fox said the US president made the threat to Oman while using an expletive during a phone interview.
Trey Yingst is the source on this. He worked for OANN, and now works for Fox.
The same people who rag on OANN and Fox News are now taking this as gospel.

>>1530422
>Casualties aren't everything.
Usually a good indicator of who is winning.

>Then why isn't the Strait open?
Because civilian shipping companies don't want to risk any of their boats until a real ceasefire... and that's going to be kinda difficult to work out an agreement because we keep killing off their leadership (another metric of winning).

>Actually yes, if you start a war and you're the one who winds up economically devastated
We're not. Nor will we be. Stop being so hyperbolic.
>while your enemy gains a multi-billion yearly revenue source,
What the hell are you talking about? Iran's economy is much closer to being devastated than ours.

In fact, which economy is better right now: the US or Iran? Pick your winner.

new esl shill just dropped

>>1530433
>What the hell are you talking about? Iran's economy is much closer to being devastated than ours.
Anon thinks his Democrat talking points to win the midterms are true. You hate to see it.
The US economy is doing great compared to the Biden era which brought massive, rapid hyperinflation which resulted in 15% consumer price increase within the first two years, and totaled over 20% by the time Biden left.
That was devastating.

>>1530433
>Because civilian shipping companies don't want to risk any of their boats until a real ceasefire... and that's going to be kinda difficult to work out an agreement because we keep killing off their leadership (another metric of winning).
Retard if there was no threat they'd be going through.

>We're not. Nor will we be. Stop being so hyperbolic.
Within the next month or two we will be approaching the limits of our oil reserves. Once that happens, use will generally be restricted to essentials and the military, because actually even hitting the lower limits of our oil reserves risks the salt caverns we use to store oil sealing up and causing a whole fuck load of problems. Even right now, we're facing quite a bit of inflation which is particularly bad when you take into account the AI bubble being close to popping.

>What the hell are you talking about? Iran's economy is much closer to being devastated than ours.
Yet they're about to recieve ownership of the strait and billions in income from taxes from it, and we're about to sit here looking like retard because our options are to either allow that or destroy the entire oil industry via a ground invasion that'll result in Iran bombing the Gulf states into oblivion to take the global economy with them.

Our options right now are to give Iran their demands or continue the global economic pain until we do. There is no way for the US to win this war.

>>1530437
>The US economy is doing great compared to the Biden era which brought massive, rapid hyperinflation which resulted in 15% consumer price increase within the first two years, and totaled over 20% by the time Biden left.
Inflation is higher now than it was when Biden left office.

>>1530440
>thinks Iran will have a better economy than the US
>calls me a retard
Anywho...

>Retard if there was no threat they'd be going through.
You asked me why they're not going through and I gave you an answer. That doesn't mean Iran is winning. It's an inconvenience.

>Within the next month or two we will be approaching the limits of our oil reserves.
Our strategic oil reserves were lower under Biden and I don't remember anyone panicking this hard about salt caverns. And even when he poured out our reserves it only affected gas prices by a dozen cents per gallon for a short period of time. We weren't dependent on those reserves to function back then and we're not dependent on those reserves now. Oil will still flow into the US from other locations.

>Yet they're about to recieve ownership of the strait and billions in income from taxes from it,
Source? I saw something about a deal Trump proposed last month, that wouldn't come from US funds, but clearly the Iranians didn't go for it.

>or destroy the entire oil industry via a ground invasion that'll result in Iran bombing the Gulf states into oblivion
With what capability? They have drones and rockets that are being blocked 99% of the time. That and Saudi Arabia isn't going to sit by and let Iran just destroy their primary source of income. If it comes to that, they'll personally exterminate the Iranians for us and we won't be able to reign them in.

>Our options right now are to give Iran their demands or continue the global economic pain until we do. There is no way for the US to win this war.
There are several other options, such as establishing the oil pipelines in Iraq to bypass the Strait of Hormuz completely.

>>1530444
that's a lot of damage control anon

>>1530444
>Our strategic oil reserves were lower under Biden and I don't remember anyone panicking this hard about salt caverns
Because the fucking flow of oil wasn't disturbed idiot. We were still receiving enough oil to offset the oil being removed. Now we're not, and the number gets lower each day without going up.

>Oil will still flow into the US from other locations.
Not enough now that 20-25% of the world's oil can't fucking move through the strait.

>With what capability? They have drones and rockets that are being blocked 99% of the time
The same capability they keep the strait shut down with. In fact, the same capacity they used to bomb Kuwait and Oman last month.
>https://apnews.com/article/iran-strikes-kuwait-gulf-bahrain-desalination-25e6d5c8d8a027897b3fb80fad57b7d2

>There are several other options, such as establishing the oil pipelines in Iraq to bypass the Strait of Hormuz completely.
Yeah that really works; spend the next few years making a new pipeline that will be a prime target for Houthis, will have nowhere near the efficiency needed to lower prices, and hope that in the meantime we can keep up the currently status quo we already know cannot last long term before everyone starts having problems with their reserves.

Again, there is no way for the US to win this retarded war.

>>1530448
>Because the fucking flow of oil wasn't disturbed idiot.
Yes it was, idiot. 10% of our oil came from Russia. Guess who stopped that.

>Not enough now that 20-25% of the world's oil can't fucking move through the strait.
Well then the world should get off their ass and help us out. Sucks to be Europe, but if they want this conflict over with they need to send some ships. Either way we'll be fine.

>The same capability they keep the strait shut down with. In fact, the same capacity they used to bomb Kuwait and Oman last month.
And Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and several other nations have already declared war on Iran and are engaging them... it's funny how we can rely on our Middle Eastern allies more than our European "allies", but I digress. They're not going to just sit there and take it.

>Yeah that really works;
Yeah it really can. And... God help me for saying this but... it helps that we still have troops in Iraq working with the Iraqi government to kill insurgents.

>Again, there is no way for the US to win this retarded war.
Keep saying that all you want. The Iranian military is closer to losing than we are.

>>1530451
you're really bad at larping as an american btw

>>1530451
Maybe Europe would have been a little more willing to help if you retards hadn't spent the past year actively antagonising them at every given opportunity.

>>1530451
>Yes it was, idiot. 10% of our oil came from Russia. Guess who stopped that.
Putin?

>Well then the world should get off their ass and help us out. Sucks to be Europe, but if they want this conflict over with they need to send some ships. Either way we'll be fine.
Yeah this is what happens when you treat your allies like shit and constantly insult them, then cause a problem that is entirely on you. They're not helping us because they know the way this gets resolved is the US fucks off from Iran and Trump burned every bit of goodwill we had with them. If anything they'd probably sooner ally with Iran to get us away from the Strait than ally with us against Iran.

>And Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and several other nations have already declared war on Iran and are engaging them... it's funny how we can rely on our Middle Eastern allies more than our European "allies", but I digress. They're not going to just sit there and take it.
Which doesn't change that they can, in fact, attack their water plants if we go for a ground invasion.

>Keep saying that all you want. The Iranian military is closer to losing than we are.
If all you have is "lower kill count", you're retarded. They can wait the US out, especially considering it's unlikely this war survives a blue victory in midterms and is already horrifically unpopular to the point Republicans are pushing Trump to wrap it up however possible because it's gonna tank the whole party.

At least Anon >>1530433 can actually think, unlike the brain dead liar that is 1530437 with terminal BDS.

>>1530455
Maybe we're tired of paying for their defense while they continuously shit on us.

>>1530456
>Putin?
Hah! I didn't know Putin was in charge of the Biden administration AS WELL as the Trump administration, like I've constantly been told. Your senile puppet cut off a major source of our oil and you supported him doing that. Yet you have a problem with something similar happening with Iran who, unlike Russia, has caused the deaths of thousands of Americans. Either way your claim that the fucking flow of oil wasn't disturbed is debunked.

>If anything they'd probably sooner ally with Iran to get us away from the Strait than ally with us against Iran.
Not all that far-fetched seeing as Europe is becoming a Muslim annex. Either way if they don't want to help they can sit there and bitch. We're not hurting at the pump as much as they are.

>Which doesn't change that they can, in fact, attack their water plants if we go for a ground invasion.
Well good luck hitting them. Also good luck pissing off the entire Middle East even more, who will definitely want payback if that happens.

>If all you have is "lower kill count", you're retarded.
Is that all I listed, retard? Or did I give a handful of other reasons to go with it that you're deliberately ignoring?

>They can wait the US out, especially considering it's unlikely this war survives a blue victory in midterms
That much I will give you. It would be a democrat who would pull out with the job half-way done and undo everything, emboldening Iran for a future conflict that will result in even more dead Americans.

>>1530460
nobody is here to read your diary esl shill. go post on your russia tumblr

>>1530339
The guy on the left respected the result of every election he participated in
The guy on the rights term ended in may 2024 and has had elections canceled ever since. He's banned opposition parties and denominations of the Orthodox church

>>1530463
Indeed. But there's no serious cases of ZDS outside of Russian.
TDS, however, is rampant in the mentally ill and homosexual communities.

>>1530463
Fuck off zigger

>>1530487
Hold elections Zelensky
America held elections during the civil war, world war 1&2
Get the United Nations to administer it if you're afraid of "Russian interference"
A defender of democracy doesn't cancel elections and ban political opposition parties

>>1530463
>The guy on the left respected the result of every election he participated in
Fucking really?

>>1530490
1. Ukraine is constitutionally unable to hold elections during a time of war.
2. If they did so, the Russians are guaranteed to bomb the polling places for maximum kill count.
3. Fuck you.

>>1530422
>Then why isn't the Strait open?
>ships are still moving through the strait

>>1530519
>3 total ships per day compared to over 130 per day
>Almost certainly approved by Iran
oh and also, literally like 2 hours ago.
>https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/18/business/strait-of-hormuz-ship-attack.html

Hold elections, Putin.
America held elections during the civil war, world war 1&2
Get the United Nations to administer it if you're afraid of "opposition"
If you're not an anti-democracy tyrant, hold free & fair elections in Russia. With opposition parties that have every right to run for office, and you don't have the right to so much as think of looking at funny. And concede defeat and leave office when the electorate reject you by electing another party.
All who gain power are afraid to lose it.
Ironic. But enough about Darth Vlad

migards sure love sucking putin's cock and defending him all day

You can tell who the europoors are in this thread because they seethe at Americans who don't worship NAFO tranny propaganda.

>>1530463
So why did the guy on the left stage a violent coup when he lost?

>>1530541
>WE are the only ones allowed to riot!

>>1530463
>>1530490
Ukrainians legally cant have elections during wartime.
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/ukraines-presidential-elections-amid-war-political-legal-and-security-challenges

>>1530541
why did leftists stage domestic terrorism attacks then claim they don't represent us like a typical terrorist sponsoring nation. No wonder you love iran

>>1530543
>>1530547
Why do Russians love to use false equivalency to distract form the fact that trump staged a failed coup?

>>1530541
Didn't. I love you fucking scammers.

>>1530541
1. Could you explain how he staged the coup? I didn't realize Trump was ordering his supporters around like soldiers ordering violence. Where is this documented?
2. Could you explain who died in this violent coup?

Oman betrayed us. Oman sided with the terrorists. The terrorists that have been killing Americans for the last almost 50 years. Liggerals love terrorists who kill Americans, like Hasan Piker who said the victims of 9/11 were pieces of shit who deserved to die. That's just standard liggeral behavior. No surprise the liggerals have now decided to support Oman.

>>1530494
The baffle of Fort Stevens was on July 11th 1864. It was less than 4 miles from the White House. The US election was held as regularly scheduled on November 8th 4 months later.

>>1530529
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Russian_presidential_election
Putin did hold elections during the Ukraine war. Putins term expired in 2024 just like Zelensky
Presidential elections were held in Russia from 15 to 17 March 2024.[a] It was the eighth presidential election in the country. The incumbent president Vladimir Putin won with 88% of the vote, the highest percentage in a presidential election in post-Soviet Russia, gaining a fifth term in what was widely viewed as a foregone conclusion. He was inaugurated on 7 May 2024

>>1530554
1. I cannot.
2. No one
I just want to win the midterms and cause maximum pain to the country. My apologies if you're too smart to fall for my scams.

>>1530554
>1. Could you explain how he staged the coup? I didn't realize Trump was ordering his supporters around like soldiers ordering violence. Where is this documented?
>Please ignore him telling his supporters to fight and having his cronies pay to bus people in, along with initially refusing to deploy the national guard
>Oh and the fact HE PARDONED EVERYONE INVOLVED

>>1530552
proven it or kill yourself.
they've been proven innocent by the law
But lets ignore all the domestic terrorism "riots" you cause and go buh what about 9/11 ignore the other 19 times we destroy the city only when you do it it matters. Disgusting hypocrite i'd spit on your mom if i could

>>1530565
>they've been proven innocent by the law
Hundred of them received prison time and had to be pardoned by the guy they were doing it in the name of.

>>1530565
My mom loves it rough tho.

>>1530562
I'm not asking you to ignore that information I am asking for a timeline of events
https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-trial
I have the January 6th speech here, I am going to copy every part where he talks about fighting, and you tell me how that translates into Trump giving orders implementing a coup through violence
For years, Democrats have gotten away with election fraud and weak Republicans. And that's what they are. There's so many weak Republicans. And we have great ones. Jim Jordan and some of these guys, they're out there fighting. The House guys are fighting. But it's, it's incredible.

And you have to get your people to fight. And if they don't fight, we have to primary the hell out of the ones that don't fight. You primary them. We're going to. We're going to let you know who they are. I can already tell you, frankly.

Republicans are, Republicans are constantly fighting like a boxer with his hands tied behind his back. It's like a boxer. And we want to be so nice. We want to be so respectful of everybody, including bad people. And we're going to have to fight much harder.

The American people do not believe the corrupt, fake news anymore. They have ruined their reputation. But you know, it used to be that they'd argue with me. I'd fight. So I'd fight, they'd fight, I'd fight, they'd fight. Pop pop. You'd believe me, you'd believe them.

And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore.

>>1530572
Honestly, this speech was so powerful. It still moves me to tears. It's easily as important to western history as Pericle's funeral speech in The History

>>1530572
>For years, Democrats have gotten away with election fraud and weak Republicans.
Implying the election is illegitimate and any republicans certifying it are illegitimate.
>So I'd fight, they'd fight, I'd fight, they'd fight. Pop pop
Saying to fight "fake news"
>And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore.
Putting the "fight" as a life or death scenario.

But yeah I'm sure saying all this and then when the assembled mob started getting violent posting about how Mike Pence (who was in that building) was a coward who couldn't do what was needed while he in the middle of certifying the election meant nothing.

>>1530574
Typical liggeral horseshit. Same as when liggerals try to pretend a man can become a woman by chopping off his dick. You can massage the truth into whatever narrative you want. You've learned pilpul well from your Jewish masters.

>>1530574
The election was probably illegitimate.
Even if it wasn't, voters sure fucked up and thankfully realized it later.

>>1530574
You said he was orchestrating a coup
This looks like a generic Trump speech.
The one instruction he offers to the crowd
>I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard
Is not telling his supporters to fight but to gather peacefully and patriotically and have their voices heard.
January 6th was a mostly peaceful protest. And the proof of it is in the fatalities. Who died on January 6th?

>>1530582
>Guys he just told them to go to the Capitol and then highlighted how Mike Pence failed
>But don't worry he said "peacefully" so it's fine that he didn't bring in national guard or tell them to stop until it was already over and literally said "fight fight fight" right before that

>>1530584
Don't you faggots keep saying that DC is full of pedophiles or whatever?
Why do you unironically care?

>>1530568
and in the name of the law they are innocent it was also under biden's DOJ who openly in court when the justice asked why charges were bought against trump and not previous presidents blatently said because times have changed aka hypocrisy.

>>1530584
All your replies are green text and they are inferences. Saying Trump was dog whistling his crowd. He wasn't telling them to storm the capitol he told them to gather peacefully and patriotically but they all knew what he meant. It's a standard which requires mind reading. You can't point to him telling the crowd to find Mike Pence and beat him up, just say that Trump claimed Pence failed that's proof he wanted violence

>>1530574
>>1530582
>Fight like hell
>march over to the capitol building
Yeah I don't think a token "peaceful" takes away the fact he took a massive group of his supporters, rallied them to fight with claims of a stolen election, then said outright anyone who certified it is illegitimate while telling them to go to where the election was being certified.

>>1530587
>and in the name of the law they are innocent it was also under biden's DOJ who openly in court when the justice asked why charges were bought against trump and not previous presidents blatently said because times have changed aka hypocrisy.
Previous presidents didn't have their supporters try to fucking raid the capitol building while chanting they need to hang the VP for certifying their loss.

>>1530588
It was a dog whistle and throwing in a token "do it peacefully" after telling them to fight doesn't make him not responsible for them turning violent after he rallied them up and gave them targets.

>>1530588
Yeah any claim he didn't support what they then did died when he subsequently pardoned all of them, even the ones caught on video threatening to kill Pence and bashing cops with flagpoles.

>>1530593
Liggerals burned down entire cities and trashed homes and businesses because one N died. No one needed to pardon them because the liggeral """"justice system"""" didn't even pursue any charges and made no attempt to stop those violent liggeral rioters.

esl shill keeps forcing their meme on us, why is he so desperate

>>1530591
Democrat politicians blatantly tell people to kill and attack Trump and his supporters all the time

>>1530593
https://x.com/KamalaHarris/status/1267555018128965643?lang=en
Kamala Harris bailed out Black Lives Matter demonstrators and encouraged her supporters to do so as well

>>1530598
Were they convicted of a crime in a court of law, yes or no?

>>1530599
Yes and No
https://fee.org/articles/george-floyd-riots-caused-record-setting-2-billion-in-damage-new-report-says-here-s-why-the-true-cost-is-even-higher/
You're talking about something that involved tens of thousands of people over multiple summers. They're not a single person with a single opinion you can label "esl shill", the answer is at the level of individuals. Some where charged and were convicted in a court of law, far more plead out. In the United States 90-95% of state criminal cases are resolved via plea bargains and about 97% of federal cases so going to trial is actually kind of rare.
Others had their charges dropped because of a lack of evidence, witnesses recanting their statements, or pressure from Mayoral or State officials. When the Governor of your state is marching with Black Lives Matter cops get the message

>>1530604
No, no anon. In that case, in that moment, was any of the people she was raising bail for convicted of a crime?

The answer is no, by the way, because if they were they wouldn't have a fucking bail.

>>1530606
And so after they were convicted she would have bailed someone out who was guilty of a felony, or misdemeanor
Time passes. She would have bailed someone out who was accused of committing a crime they were later sentenced for
You cannot claim ignorance, if they weren't accused of a crime they wouldn't fucking need bail

but back on topic, trump has ruined american prestige and constantly threatens his allies. i wonder why the shills can't focus on this detail

>>1530611
>You cannot claim ignorance, if they weren't accused of a crime they wouldn't fucking need bail
It isn't illegal to raise bail for someone. Whether you believe they are innocent or not is up to her to decide and she can't see the future or exactly what happened.

And it is a far different thing from pardoning people who were convicted, sentenced, and imprisoned for crimes.

>>1530612
Trump actually makes America look powerful as fuck

>>1530616
any other wrong opinions you'd like to share

>>1530565
The Sedition convictions prove you otherwise. I'd call you a traitor, but you clearly aren't an American, especially with your violent ways.

>>1530617
>Maduro napped in a matter of hours
>Cuba starving and on their knees
>Iran lost its navy, leaders, air force, is blockaded and is objectively losing the war (contrary to the lamestream medias lies)

Yep. Looks powerful as fuck to me.

>>1530619
god you're esl

>>1530619
>to me
I believe you.

>>1530612
I think liggerals have done that by allying with enemies and constant bullshit.
We know you want to win elections to cause maximum pain and will use any means to attempt to do so.

>>1530623
>Liberals are anti-crime and anti-pedophile
>They just want to cause maximum pain to criminal pedophiles and will use any means to do so
Now you're just campaigning for Democrats
Like how all the anti-Mamdami stuff is moving the US towards socialism

>>1530623
>i think
doesn't seem like you do

>>1530596
Yes, but that's for the greater good.

>>1530591
biden just implicitly supported domestic terrorism and actively pushed the DOJ away from punishing activists for his whole term but i guess that's fine in your mind you disgusting hypocrite.

>>1530627
you're literally not american

>>1530628
nuh uh, once they finish their shill tour they'll get prioritized citizenship, its all coming in 2028. You'll see.

>>1530627
>I don't consider Trump pardoning insurrectionists wrong but let me tell you how Biden totally supported domestic terrorism more

>>1530613
It is not illegal for Kamala Harris to bail out people who would be later convicted of felony offenses
>>1530631
It is not illegal for Donald Trump as president to pardon people who were facing felony offenses at the capitol.

>>1530631
>its only matters when trump did it just ignore everything biden does, despite democrats being objectively worst.
disgusting hypocrisy god I would love for you to get alex prattied.

>>1530633
your mother should've loved condoms

>>1530629
Ugly.

>>1530632
I'm not saying it's illegal. I'm saying it's wrong and you cannot compare giving money for bail for someone who has not had a trial compared to literally absolving terrorists of charges they were convicted of because they did it in your name.

>>1530642
Black Lives Matter is guilty of Terrorism as well
It was politically motivated violence. And democrats had no problem bailing them out

>>1530643
your mentally ill brain isn't a source

>>1530644
https://i.imgur.com/axW37lL.jpeg
23 people were shot dead at Black Lives Matter rallies

1530565
>proven it
>proven
>inb4 "grammar nazi", "context" etc
esl? You've just proved it, 1530565.
>we
Hi, esl shill.
>spit
The last pathetic act of the politically impotent. And 1530577 can't massage so-called "truth" when they keep proving their own sexual obsessions. Keep burning down your own credibility in /news/ every time you mention the ones you're obsessed with, liggy miggy piggy.
>powerful as fuck
>reality just keeps proving rightards' opinions more than wrong
Liggy miggy piggy is as impotent as Trump. And is equally a laughingstock.
>I think
Liggy miggy piggy... can think?

>>1530643
Amount of BLM protestors pardoned by Biden: 0

>>1530645
it's always funny when you try to post pictures on this text only board. you're a dunce

>>1530648
ESL shill was told 4chan is an image board, so their reddit shill script should still be fine with a little rework.
oops.

>>1530648
>>1530652
Talking to yourself again liggeral?

>>1530587
Actually, since they accepted their pardons, they're the guiltiest a person can legally be. They have no avenue to contest their guilt and legally admitted to everything that they were pardoned for.

esl shill is projecting again

>>1530658
yeah yeah tell 'em esl daddy

>>1530664
I meant "esl mom" please don't beat me again.

>>1530657
so fauci and biden jr are all guilty then?

>>1530658
esl shill needs to disassociatively humiliate themselves to avoid the realization that they're this boards lolcow

>>1530666
no esl shill they are not you are projocktongue.
>>1530668
please stop mommy i swear i won't misgender you again because i don't like being burned with cigarettes

>>1530675
>projocktongue
youre esl

>projocktongue
Coneslcession, eslcepted

>>1530677
stop hurting me with your wiener mommy

>>1530668
>esl shill needs to disassociatively humiliate themselves to avoid the realization that they're this boards lolcow
The esl shill can't avoid that fact now.

>>1530557
They didn't have drones and cruise missiles in 1864 dipshit

>>1530812
See Ting Co Ping

>>1530557
Yeah that doesn't change the fact that the Ukranian constitution forbids it.
>But these other countries-
Still doesn't change the fact the UKRANIAN LAW is to wait until the war is over. Fucks sake even Zelensky's opposition party signed off on this because everyone recognizes in the modern environment it would be impossible to have a fair election mid-invasion.

>>1530812
They were fighting 4 miles from the white house
They continued with the regularly scheduled election that November

>>1530836
The Iraqi constitution gave Saddam Hussein 100% of the vote
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Iraqi_presidential_referendum
By the rules of Iraq everything Saddam Hussein did was legal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_North_Korean_parliamentary_election
The North Korean rules gave Kim 100% control of the country. By our rules what Kim did made his government a totalitarian authoritarian regime, but according to the local rules it is all legal

Fascinating how any news reports on trump's wrong doing gets derailed to be attacks on everyone else.

Reminds me of that Russian tactic to both sides everything. Which is fitting given turmp conspired with the Russians in 2016.

>>1530384
The "no new wars" stance was a core pillar of Donald Trump's campaign, but it has caused major friction with his MAGA base following military actions against Iran. Trump later denied guaranteeing no wars, creating a visible split among his supporters and isolationist influencers.Campaign Promises vs. Administration ActionsThe Slogan: During the campaign, Donald Trump repeatedly stated he was the only modern president to launch "no new wars" and promised to keep the country out of foreign conflicts.The Conflict: The U.S. and Israel engaged in military operations against Iran, which Trump defended as necessary to neutralize a nuclear threat rather than an "endless war".The Pushback: Trump asserted in an interview with NBC's Kristen Welker on Meet the Press that he "didn't guarantee no war," frustrating core MAGA figures and isolationist commentators who expected a strict non-interventionist policy.

stupid nigger

>>1530854
zelensky wasn't someone who took power in a coup or a hereditary dictator.

The consititution does not give him 100% of the vote. He didn't enact the law that prevents voting during wartime.


the comparisons are disingenuous.

>>1530854
>The Iraqi constitution gave Saddam Hussein 100% of the vote
No it doesn't. Thats not what that wikipedia article said.

they just forged the votes or something.

>>1530864
Do you think Kim Jong Un personally passed a law that resulted in opposition parties being banned and him recieving 100% of the vote in the North Korean elections, or were those rules in place before he was born or entered office, like presumably Ukraine's rules and Zelensky?

>>1530864
Exactly. Zelensky had to cancel elections and ban opposition parties to protect his democracy.
NAFO fucking retard faggot shill

>>1530868
>Vatnik thinking his opinion matters.
Why are fascists like trump and putin so anti democratic?

>>1530339
>Omen
>ally
LMAO libtards confirmed retarded. What next? You going to tell me how Pakistan is our ally - as they're shooting at our troops?

>>1530867
>Do you think Kim Jong Un personally passed a law that resulted in opposition parties being banned and him recieving 100% of the vote in the North Korean elections, or were those rules in place before he was born or entered office, like presumably Ukraine's rules and Zelensky?

Did you see the first sentence?
>>1530864
>zelensky wasn't someone who took power in a coup or a hereditary dictator.
Zelensky is not a hereditary dictator. Kim Jong Un is a hereditary dictator; His father and his grandfather were dictators of north korea.

The previous president, Petro Poroshenko was not Zelensky's father or relative. In fact they ran against eachother in 2019.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Ukrainian_presidential_election

>>1530875
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden%27s_compound_in_Abbottabad
Remember when Osama Bin Laden lived a few miles away from Pakistani officer training school? Pakistani West Point

>>1530868
The law required elections to be cancelled during war time.

>>1530882
I remember the far right conservatives knowing 9/11 was going to happen and let, then let Bin Laden escape so they could steal oil in Iraq.

>>1530890
That's because you're a mentally retarded schizo who can't differentiate fantasy from reality. Take meds.

>>1530890
https://abcnews.com/US/bill-clinton-hours-911-attacks-killed-osama-bin/story?id=24801422
I know you don't like Bill Clinton but it's not fair to call him a far right conservative

>>1530894
>Daily reminder that the CIA had the chance to kill Bin Laden in the 90s and Clinton told them absolutely not! No Killing! See Billy Waugh for more details.

>>1530894
thats not what the article says. It doesnt say clinton knew about 9/11

he wasn't in office during 2001. So why would clinton have had any relevant briefings at that time?

>>1530898
Here's what the article says
Bin Laden, who headed the terrorist group al Qaeda, had been targeted by authorities for his role in the 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Tanzania and Kenya. The U.S. government targeted bin Laden in August 1998 strikes, but he was not injured.
Clinton’s recorded statements from 2001 referred to a proposed strike in December 1998, after intelligence indicated that Bin Laden was staying at the governor’s residence in Kandahar. That proposed attack was addressed in the 9/11 Commission Report, released in 2004.

According to the report, the missed chance made some lower-level officials angry, but later intelligence appeared to show that bin Laden had left his quarters.

U.S. officials again considered a missile strike against bin Laden in May 1999 -- but, as was the case months before, they held back from striking, wary of conflicting intelligence reports. That skepticism may have been bolstered by the CIA’s accidental bombing on the Chinese embassy in Belgrade during the NATO war against Serbia, the commission said.

“This episode may have made officials more cautious than might otherwise have been the case,” the commission’s report stated.

From May 1999 until September 2001, authorities did not again actively consider a missile strike against Bin Laden.

>>1530897
>>1530899
Ok so they missed him and were like 'ah shit, eh". He wasn't exactly tip top priority like he was after 9/11.

Also I lowkey doubt him dying then would've prevented 9/11. Chances are by 1998 he already had the plan laid out somewhere so some other al Qaeda leader would've just carried it out and become public enemy number one instead.

>>1530900
Yeah I mean it's not like he bombed anything in New York prior to 9/11... right?

>>1530868
What blew up in Muscovy today?

>>1530908
I'm not saying he was some harmless nobody, but the priority to go after Bin Laden before 9/11 was nowhere near as high as after 9/11.

>>1530890
So long story short it wasn't far right conservatives that let 9/11 happen, it was Bill Clinton

>>1530893
>>1530894
>>1530968
>Bill Clinton was president in 2001 in the fascist clown world of turmp
Amazing how conservatives will never take responsibility for anything they did.

>>1530973
>Republicans let bin laden get away!
>actually that was clinton, he even admits this
>DURRR CLINTON NOT PREZIDENT N 2001
Amazing how democrats will never take responsibility for anything they did. Like Afghanistan.

>>1530978
>Amazing how democrats will never take responsibility for anything they did.
That's their whole deal.
>Fuck up
>Lose election due to being fuck ups
>Complain about not being in power
>Make up lies and half truths
>Propagandize endlessly
>Get elected again
>Fuck up again
Honestly they aren't even a political party anymore. They're a fucking cult.

>>1530978
Tora Bora status?