The White House said that Trump, who promised to cut energy prices in half, is taking steps that will soon bring prices down.

“This week the President met with nearly a dozen refiners to discuss ways to expand our refining capacity, which will lower prices at the pump,” White House spokesperson Taylor Rogers said. “As the U.S. military fully degrades the terrorist Iranian regime’s ability to attack shipping vessels, oil and gas prices will fall back to pre-conflict levels.”

For now, there’s no sign that diesel prices will fall anytime soon, experts said.

The effects of the price at the pump with the green handle go far further than the filling station. Freight and farms run on diesel, so high diesel prices seep into the price of food and anything else delivered by a big rig.

“Diesel sort of runs the U.S. economy,” said Dean Croke, principal analyst at DAT Freight & Analytics, “and I think that’s the bigger problem.”

Cost of living concerns are expected to decide which party controls the Senate and House. And diesel is considering the backbone of the economy, driving up the cost of groceries, manufactured goods, inflation and more.

That’s where voters are “feeling a crunch” right now, said Doug Heye, former spokesperson for the Republican National Committee and a longtime GOP strategist.

“Any time they have to spend on anything, they’re upset with what it costs,” he said. “A threshold like this is just another sign of how expensive it’s become just to get by.”

The spike in diesel prices also comes as drivers face record-setting gasoline prices heading into Labor Day weekend, which are some of the country’s biggest travel days of the year.

The cost of a regular gallon of gasoline is at a record high $4.14 for this time of year, according to AAA. That’s well above the previous Labor Day record of $3.82, set on Sept. 3, 2012.

And the national average price in August was above $4 per gallon every day of the month, making it the most expensive August ever for gasoline.

A POLITICO Poll conducted in August found that 61 percent of individuals surveyed believe the Iran war has made things more expensive for their families, up 4 percent from a month earlier.

But oil and the Strait of Hormuz are not the only problem. Persian Gulf refineries have been hit in the exchanges of missile fire. And Ukrainian drone attacks have taken refineries offline in Russia.

Russia, which last year accounted for more than 10 percent of the world’s diesel exports, is now importing diesel and gasoline, and has largely banned exports.

In the United States, refineries are setting records for output. U.S. refineries operated at 98 percent of their operable capacity last week. Some have delayed maintenance, increasing the chances of outages that could drive up prices further.

A bigger disruption, with a bigger effect on price, could occur if a large hurricane threatens the U.S. Gulf Coast, where the bulk of U.S. refining capacity is located.

>>1533807
>Vice President JD Vance told reporters at the White House on Thursday that gas prices are high because the Iranian regime is targeting oil tankers moving through the Strait of Hormuz. He also claimed that gas prices “could have been much much higher were it not for our efforts” and downplayed the notion that the world is currently experiencing an energy crisis.
>
>“I can’t repeat this enough, but for the leadership of President Trump and the hard work of our troops, we would have had an energy crisis because the Iranians refused to stop acting like terrorists in the Strait of Hormuz,” Vance said.

In non-shill talk, the price increases are 100% the fault of the Trump administration and could have been effortlessly avoided by not ripping up Obama's perfect peace accords and starting a war because Israel has proof Donald Trump fucked children.

Diesel prices at all time high
Strategic petroleum reserve at all time low
Truly, the Golden Age of America has begun

Fake news, fuel prices are down. President Trump himself mentions seeing fuel going for less than 2 bucks in Ohio. Those are 90s era prices and only President Trump could have done that. We also already beat Iran thoroughly and undisputedly. It's not in dispute by any serious observer. We destroyed their navy, air force, bridges, factories, stockpiles and leadership. We won.

>>1533815
>we would have had an energy crisis because the Iranians refused to stop acting like terrorists in the Strait of Hormuz
Hey Vance, buddy, when did they start bombing everyone coming through the Strait again? Because it's weird they haven't really done that until very recently, for some strange reason...

>>1533818
>we
LOL

>>1533818
The price of diesel has been elevated since at least 2022 with no breaks in between.

>>1533807
At this point we're past the point of propaganda and into outright denial. These kind of statements from him and Chris Wright just aren't gonna cut it; this isn't a propaganda thing you can flout, this is a physical resource you're lying about having. You can claim we've restored normal flow of oil all you want but people are gonna notice the price is still up, and his only response isn't even some kind of explanation and instead just denying the price is up at all. Trump is living in a different fucking reality and he's forcing everyone in his admin to report news from there instead of our own. This isn't sustainable because I'm starting to fear that in his old age he genuinely believes this shit.

And before anyone brings it up; no, the Venezuela oil deal isn't going to help with this. We need literally years of infrastructure and processing to turn that crude oil into what we actually use and oil companies just plain aren't interested in Venezuela due to both poor quality and the fact last time they tried all their shit got nationalized and left to rot.

>>1533818
Oh and I forgot to mention that owning the libs like (You) is good policy because they're usually happy when things go wrong.
Stay classy turbo faggot.

>>1533829
are you implying trump is the libs? he seems pretty happy about fucking everything up and losing a war

>>1533830
Libs are excited Iran didnt immeditely surrender

>>1533831
you really are retarded huh

>>1533833
That's your job.

esl shill unironically thinks being retarded is an occupation

>>1533831
>If you don't blindly support this retarded sandbox war you're ROOTING FOR THE TERRORISTS
I'm old enough to remember the right using this line back in 2003
Then spending a decade pretending they didn't want to be the party of retarded sandbox wars anymore
Only to turn right back around and end up back here again

>>1533841
But anon how are we supposed to stop the nuclear weapons program we supposedly set back decades last year yet somehow recovered so fast they were two weeks away from a nuke (again) when this war started?

Not that we failed in that bombing last year. No that totally went super well and was a massive success. They just were still able to do the thing we bombed them to stop them from being able to do, but that doesn't mean we... man I can't even keep this up, that entire press conference from Hegseth was that fucking retarded.

>>1533818
Exactly and even if fuel prices are high this is good for stock prices and therefore the American people

1533818
>We destroyed their navy, air force, bridges, factories, stockpiles and leadership
>We
Let everyone else know when you've joined the US armed forces and are actually out there doing something.
Oh yes, that's right: you're the esl shill that's nothing more than an internet keyboard warrior, so you've actually done less than nothing.
>We
You're not even an American, so your opinions are worth less than nothing.
>Fake news
Projection by a fake American.

>>1533845
it's quite cringy when you respond to your own posts like this

>Iran having nukes isn't okay
But apparently it's okay when Trump gives nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia, the country responsible for what happened 25 years ago.
>inb4 the fake news that is 'Israel did 9/11''
Not seeing any Israeli terrorists on those planes, therefore your opinions are wrong. And Trump is still giving nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia.
>b-b-but they're different to Mamdani etc!
A Muslim is a Muslim is a Muslim. Either all are anti-US terrorists or none of them are. And Mamdani is more of a patriotic American than you'll ever be, Trumptards that support a terrorist state-supporting Trump.

>>1533818
>Trust trump
>Or John Solomon's propaganda outlet

>>1533826
Ifnprices are actually up how do you know these aren't long term effects of Briben and Obongo era policies? How can you know for certain it's the fault of President Trump?

Bad empanada is a idiot pedophile who loves little boys and a epstein regime supporter because he is just controlled opposition like his inferior fans who all need to go six feet under, Ltg is better than all youtubers who hate him and the internet as they don't know how to think for themselves and also only ones who use the term narcissist are narcissists themselves because they cant do anything by themselves brainwash scum, and they pile on other still because they don't understand the group logic is fake its a bunch of narcissists who are ganging up on one person who is better than them 1v1 and also its just a bunch of 1v1s you inferior fools. Also Nintendo fans suck their game thumb wrestlings is shit and all japanese games suck and anything from miyamoto and nintendo of kyoto developed is inferior and horrible. I hope they all go six feet under. I hope everybody I talked about and the internet goes six feet under. Also the Internet is full of retarded idiots who all need to be six feet under , and most of all dumbasses from flame war theater who are retarded idiots projecting and also one piece piratefolk and also the reddit post about The Viper Room, Molly Bloom, Hollywood A-Listers post are horrible and dumb and also hope they go six feet under, anyways the internet is full of inferior unintelligent scum who all will go six feet under, and a lot are already there, so B-I-H you idiots. I hope every idiot goes six feet under and also all of the internet are inferior idiots as well who need to go six feet under screw yall.

>>1533852
god you're esl

>>1533852
If you can make tangible connections to specific Biden or Obama policies that have led to this price spike, I'd be interested to see your findings

>>1533855
Regulations. Enviornmentalism

1533852
>Briben
>Obongo
So it's not Biden and Obama who are responsible for what's happened, but two fictional people invented by the esl shill as a way to put the blame on others for Trump's long term effects since early 2025.

>>1533856
>specific

>>1533858
You can't be specific when it comes to a wide sweeping range of regulations, handicaps and limitations placed on the oil industry. This has been an attack on American energy that's lasted for decades. California had higher gas prices than today during the Obongo regime, you can't blame that on President Trump, it's clearly the fault of liggeral (((policy)))

>>1533815
>Obama's perfect peace accords
>Israel has proof Donald Trump fucked children.
Bait.

>>1533860
So you can't actually articulate an argument, but you're passionately certain of your stance?

>>1533858
What is specific is that 1533860 is the proven esl shill: >>1533650
And is also a proven liar:
>>1529518
>>1529639
Thus all its claims about others are fake news. It projects so much it needs to put the blame on others because the esl shill needs to lie to defend its orange Liar-in-Chief.

>>1533865
Weird, yesterday you were saying that I, and not him, was the ESL shill.

1533860
>liggeral
1533866
Weird. You're lying again in claiming you're not the esl shill >>1533590
>ligtranny

>>1533863
Compared to the shit show that Trump's been putting us through for the last 6 months, yeah I think I'd call them perfect in comparison.

>>1533866
Liggerals says what?

>>1533864
Same can be said of liggerals and their random blaming of current gas prices, which, again, are lower than Obongo era prices

>>1533877
So you're no better than they are

>>1533877
>blaming of current gas prices, which, again, are lower than Obongo era prices
You really sure about that?

>>1533852
>>1533856
Who started a war with Iran that led to one of the most important oil shipping lanes in the world being closed? This isn't some "X's policies led to Y" where you can debate context all day and night; gas prices are up because there is physically less oil being transported across the planet right now. The reason for this is that Trump bombed Iran and they closed the Strait in response.

That's objective reality, no way around it. Even Trump's delusional claims revolve more around him imagining we've miraculously opened the strait than the idea that the prices aren't a direct result of that.

>>1533807
we gotta beat those slimy yellow bastards. Those Dirty Iranian traitors turned their back on great American leadership.

>>1533863
which part is bait?
Obama had peace with Iran, and Trump fucks children.

>>1533888
both

>>1533889
you're both a faggot and a shill

>>1533888
>Obama had peace with Iran
and didn't raise gas prices by giving Iran a guaranteed revenue stream and took away their nuclear material
So really its three things Obama did better than trump, and trump is also a pedophile.

>>1533898
>giving Iran a guaranteed revenue stream
Trump hasnt done this and Obama "paid" them billions of dollars.
>and took away their nuclear material
No he didnt, they kept all of it and under the deal they could develop nukes after 2030.

>>1533899
>trump is also a pedophile

>>1533900
>just saying random shit
Good luck with the whole "impotent rage" thing

>i'm esl shill, i wish i fucked my mom

>>1533902
>doubling down on the impotent rage
Are ya winning, son?

haha trump is a pedophile, so random XD

>>1533899
>"paid"
With money that was already theirs. Those quotation marks are doing a lot of work.

>>1533904
Yeah, man, quit having a cow over Trump being a pedophile. Who cares if the president rapes kids, right?

>>1533906
No, their game of extortion worked on Obama.
He rleased funds and caved to their bullshit and relaxed sanctions.
Itranians have been fucking with everyone going through the strait and enriching uranium for years to bring the US to the barganing table.

>>1533910
>No, their game of extortion worked on Obama.
>For their own assets
>In exchange for something Obama very much wanted
Ok sure.

Hey by the way if that was extortion, what does Trump trying to get the same deal mean?

>>1533904
it's like the clinton emails and q anon but progressive

>Trumps just all over the files because he was snitching
>He's not a pedophile if I clap my hands and believe~

>>1533914
Don't forget trump was going to surrender and actually use American money to give that to the Iranians before like everything he does, he went back on his word.

>>1533924
Trump uses American money for whatever the fuck he wants.
All the anons who bitch that taxation is theft are suddenly nowhere to be found when Trump's using OUR FUCKING MONEY to build statues of himself and as gifts to billionaires and to fund the Saudi nuclear program.

>the amount Obama gave to Iran which was already theirs
>the amount Trump gave to Iran which was American taxpayers'
Gee, that one's a toughie. /s But not to financially suffering American taxpayers, especially in the midterms

>>1533947
You act like anything but blind loyalty matters to Maga

>>1533947
Source on Irans rebuilding fund being US taxpayer money?

>>1533950
Trump has given them nnothing. That deal fell through.
And I think the enitre board is tired of correcting you on this point.

>>1533924
Nope. Why are you repeating Iranian propaganda?

>>1533947
>Obama paid Iran
>Trump hasn't and won't
Killer argument you got there, champ.

>>1533953
>>Trump hasn't and won't
Reminder he already released billions in Iranian assets to get the ceasefire that he himself then blew up.

>>1533954
>More Iranian propaganda
Brown.

MOU said that IF Iran was a good boy, the US would unfreeze certain assets. Iran has not been a good boy, and those assets remain frozen.

>>1533953
>https://www.wral.com/news/state/fact-check-us-iran-300-billion-rebuild-june-25/

Yes he did.

>>1533956
Nope.

That was $300B from the Gulf States IF Iran met certain future requirements. Vance and Rubio have spoken on this.

>>1533955
>MOU said that IF Iran was a good boy, the US would unfreeze certain assets. Iran has not been a good boy, and those assets remain frozen.
No, we unfroze 24 billion to GET the MOU with promises that we'd unfreeze more after we came to a conclusion. This wasn't part of what we would give them if the war ended, it was what we gave them to convince them to abide by the ceasefire and come to negotiations.

>>1533964
>we unfroze 24 billion to GET the MOU with promises that we'd unfreeze more after we came to a conclusion
Simply not true.

Qatar has confirmed that the $6B in frozen assets remains in their possession.

>>1533966
We know they got at least a few billion
>https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/uae-unlock-billions-dollars-iran-sources-say-2026-06-12/
We also know they were allowed to sell oil to get even more money
>https://www.thedailystar.net/news/world/us-israel-war-iran/news/us-authorises-iranian-oil-sales-amid-talks-final-peace-deal-4205471

>>1533969
Both those articles are future tense. Talking about the terms of the deal not what actually happened.

>>1533947
That is a fucking lie
https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/iran-deal-includes-300-billion-fund-more-than-half-which-already-committed-2026-06-16/
The new fund is a private investment vehicle, not a reconstruction or reparations programme and will not include any government money or grants
NO GOVERNMENT MONEY OR GRANTS
The US Taxpayer isn't putting up 10 cents

1533948
1533950
1533953
>thinks their wrong opinions on a backwater part of the internet will influence the decisions in the midterms of those who have never heard of 4chan
Unless you stop being terminally online /r9k/ rejects & r/The_Donald refugees, leave your cucksheds and go out there and knock on the doors of those financially suffering Republican voters since early 2025 and persuade them in person that they should listen to your wrong opinions, they're going to decide in a certain way in a couple of months that you won't like. Good

>>1533972
>The US Taxpayer isn't putting up 10 cents
Where have I heard this before?

>>1533976
Hey schizo, me an some anon are having a nice argument about the MOU and the war. Could you maybe take your fucking meds? 'kaythanksbye

>>1533978
Obama probably.
>You walked right into that one, dumbass.

>>1533970
There's reports they did release the money and are denying it now because after the MOU fell apart it would've done it for nothing. Hence why a few weeks after they denied any assets were released, their central bank "conveniently" started a mass review looking for money being given to Iran.

>>1533983
Again, Qatar has said no money was transferred and the transfer of money was predicted on a final ceasefire, which was never reached.

>>1533978
>The new fund is a private investment vehicle, not a reconstruction or reparations programme and will not include any government money or grants, the source said, adding that companies based in the U.S., the Gulf Arab states, Asia, South America and Africa have agreed to commit financing.
>Investments pledged span energy, logistics, manufacturing and transport, the source said.
U.S. President Donald Trump pushed back on Wednesday against any characterisation of the fund as a U.S. investment. "We're not investing, we're not putting up 10 cents," he said, adding that he was not asking Gulf countries to invest either.
Probably the next paragraph of the news article.

>>1533972
>The US Taxpayer isn't putting up 10 cents
Except for the 100 billion plus that's been expended on this stupid war so far, not to mention the tens if not hundreds of billions of dollars in damage that's been done to US military infrastructure in the Gulf region

>>1533987
So when we spend money on a bomb from Raytheon, we are giving that money to Iran, and when we spend money on the salaries of US Servicemen deployed in the Strait of Hormuz we are giving that money to Iran, so actually we gave them 100 billion dollars?

I wonder how much we gave the Ayatollah with that bomb we dropped on his head, probably at least a million dollars

>Hey schizo
>Could you maybe take your fucking meds?
Nice projection, meds-needing schizo 1533979.

>>1533988
>Yes we're spending hundreds of billions of dollars on this stupid war both in military spending and increased fuel prices, neither of which happened with Obama's JCPOA plan that Trump tore up, but it doesn't count because... BECAUSE IT JUST DOESN'T OKAY!?

>>1533995
Under JCPOA Iran gets nukes after 2030. Hence we tore it up.

>>1533997
>Under JCPOA Iran gets nukes after 2030. Hence we tore it up.
Yes because it makes perfect sense that if the deal was going to make it so they could theoretically develop a bomb years later, we instead tear it up so they can develop one now.

Oh but don't worry, we'll put a stop to that by... going to war and then promptly giving them leverage to just straight demand the right to nuclear enrichment.

Fantastic plan everyone.

>>1533997
Maybe if Trump hadn't torn up the agreement out of spite despite the fact that his own administration has never been able to present proof they were in violation of the terms, it would have worked and been renewed at the end of the timeline
But we'll never know. Instead we got 18 dead and 700 injured servicemen (so far), a 100+ billion dollar war tab (so far), and all time high diesel prices

>>1533999
Also this. You never see perpetual agreements because no one wants to be held to a contract unto eternity.

>>1533998
This dumbass war has shown Iran that they absolutely need a nuke
Look at how Trump gushes and swoons over the literal communist regime in North Korea vs how he's interacted with Iran and Venezuela
What's the difference? North Korea has nukes. Which means the US can't just push them around.
Every non-nuclear state is probably looking at developing a nuke at this point

>>1533998
>Old plan: Iran 100% lawfully gets a nuke after 2030
>Current plan: Iran never gets a nuke, also we totally destroy their conventional forces
This one is better.

>>1533999
Violation of its terms doesn't matter. Old plan let's them get a nuke. Unacceptable.

>>1534001
>Iran needs a nuke
You're brown.
>Look at NK!
People from the Clinton admin say their biggest regret is not striking NK to prevent it getting a nuke in the 1990's.

>>1533997
This is esl shill level reading comprehension

>>1534002
>>Current plan: Iran never gets a nuke, also we totally destroy their conventional forces
Current reality: Iran is holding the world by the balls and the only option is to comply with their demands on some level they have to agree with or we'll never get the fucking strait open.

So yes the old plan was better you fucking retard. It actually worked.

>>1533998
Did you miss the start of this war?
The part where all of Iran's nuclear facilities were targeted by American and Israeli bunker busters?

>>1534004
>Current reality: Iran is holding the world by the balls and the only option is to comply with their demands on some level they have to agree with or we'll never get the fucking strait open.
Still pushing Iranian propaganda huh?

>So yes the old plan was better you fucking retard
The old plan where the genocidal maniacs get a nuclear weapon?

>>1534004
But have you considered if you radically misread the old plan and pretend it means Iran gets a guaranteed nuke in 30 years its worse?

You can reject plans for schizo reasons like Trump did, you know

>>1534002
>Violation of its terms doesn't matter.
Cool. That means any agreement made with the United States isn't worth the paper it's printed on and no nation has any incentive to ever make an agreement with us.
Which in turn means the only way the United States can resolve any conflict is bombing the other party into submission.
Given we're six months in and we haven't been able to bomb a second world mediocre regional power into submission, after spending hundreds of billions of dollars, depleting our munitions stocks and strategic petroleum reserve, and spiking diesel to the most expensive it's ever been, do you feel that's a sustainable model for international relations?

>>1534007
>But have you considered if you radically misread the old plan and pretend it means Iran gets a guaranteed nuke in 30 years its worse
2030 is in four years.
>But you're misreading it!
Nope, the problem here is that I have actually read the deal. Look at Annex 1 sections 27 and 28. It's a sunset provision.

>>1534010
I've read it. Feel free to paste the section that says Iran gets nukes.
You can't because its not in there, the only question is if you're retarded or esl

>>1534009
>That means any agreement made with the United States isn't worth the paper it's printed on and no nation has any incentive to ever make an agreement with us.
A deal that is not ratified by the Senate? Yes, because it's not binding. Civics 101, nigger.

>Given we're six months in and we haven't been able to bomb a second world mediocre regional power into submission
We've inflicted generational damage on them. Their navy and army and air force and military industry and nuke program are all gone. The Gulf States are building pipelines so we can avoid the strait. Tick tock, faggots.
>do you feel that's a sustainable model for international relations?
Yes.

>>1534011
>27. Iran will keep its enrichment capacity at no more than 5060 IR-1 centrifuge
machines in no more than 30 cascades in their current configurations in
currently operating units at the Natanz Fuel Enrichment Plant (FEP) for 10 years.
>28. Iran will keep its level of uranium enrichment at up to 3.67 percent for 15 years.

>>1533807
Things trump supporters can't say:
>I don't support pedophiles
>I believe in the rule of law
>still cheaper than Biden™

>>1534014
....So Iran doesn't get a guaranteed Nuke in 2030?
...And Trump ripping up the agreement in 2018 was the effectively the same as the sunset provisions?

I'll accept your concession, and I'll expect an apology that Trump enabled Iran to get a guaranteed nuke in 2018.

>>1534016
>....So Iran doesn't get a guaranteed Nuke in 2030
Are you being willfully obtuse or is this a genuine IQ problem?

The agreemnt has certain fixed periods of time. Once those periods of time end, what is Iran allowed to do?

Things Biden supporters can't say
>I don't support pedophiles
>I believe the rule of law applies to everyone equally
>Still cheaper than Trump's first term
https://i.imgur.com/cCgEfoN.jpeg

>>1534012
>We can just be the world police forever
There it is. Party like it's 2002. There's absolutely zero difference between MAGA in 2026 and Bush era neoconservatism.

>>1534018
>Trump printing four trillion dollars out of thin air and dumping it into the economy in 2020 had nothing to do with this
Are there really still retards who believe this?

>>1534020
>Trump printed four trillion
Bait. Literally, this is bait.

>>1534012
>Their navy and army and air force and military industry and nuke program are all gone.
You keep saying that and yet they keep being able to bomb us and everyone crossing the strait.

>>1534019
>>We can just be the world police forever
Who are you quoting?!

>>1534017
>but Iran gets it when the deal runs out
And when Trump makes the deal run out 12 years early, thats the same as giving Iran a nuke 12 years early? Yes or No?

>>1534010
>2030 is in four years.
He ripped up the agreement in 2019. Effectively he cut the time the US had to get a new deal short by 11 years.

>>1534024
>Ending the deal and destroying their ability to make nukes
>Is the same as letting them get nukes after a certain period of time.

>>1534006
>Still pushing Iranian propaganda huh?
Is it Iranian propaganda that the strait still isn't fucking open?

>The old plan where the genocidal maniacs get a nuclear weapon?
As opposed to the new plan where we just have to hope we can bomb them every time. Except oh wait, now they actually have leverage against us.

Meanwhile as we're discussing this the Saudis literally got a deal allowing them to make nukes lmao.

>>1534025
>New deal
Yes I'm sure Iran would make a new deal.

>>1534025
esl shill is paid to not understand

If anything, Trump proved that Obama's plan would have worked until 2036 at least.

>>1534026
>destroying their ability to make nukes
Weird how we supposedly did that and then a year later suddenly they were two weeks away from one again. And apparently we can't just fuck off from this war because they still can just make one if we don't stop bombing them every few weeks.

>>1534020
Why didn't Trump have 9% inflation if his money printing was responsible for the inflation? Why did it seem to wait until Biden entered office?

>>1534027
>Is it Iranian propaganda that the strait still isn't fucking open
Yes.

>As opposed to the new plan where we just have to hope we can bomb them every time.
We can bomb them whenever we want. We have total air supremacy.

>Except oh wait, now they actually have leverage against us.
Less leverage than a nuclear weapon.

>>1534030
the two weeks part is israeli propaganda, and unless Trump agrees with it they're releasing his child raping videos

>>1534021
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2SL

>>1534030
Yeah. They should make a deal so we can stop bombing them

>>1534033
>Muh Russians muh pisstapes
>Muh Jews muh tapes

>>1534031
>What is a lagging indicator
You aren't this stupid. Stop pretending.

>>1534035
Waiting the United States out worked pretty well for the Viet Cong and Taliban.

So what I'm reading here is that Trump accelerated Iran being able to get a nuke from 2030 to 2025.
When's he going to be arrested as a traitor for helping Iran get a nuke 5 years early?

>>1534040
Iran can't just wait for Democrats to fuck up the withdrawal like they did with Biden in Afghanistan, and LBJ in Vietnam. They are negotiating with JD Vance or Marco Rubio next

>>1534043
Trump's administration signed the withdrawal agreement with the Taliban (i.e. negotiated with terrorists) in 2020
Richard Nixon oversaw the calamitous Vietnam withdrawal
Why is having no idea what you're talking about a core tenet of modern right wing philosophy?

>>1534041
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_United_States_strikes_on_Iranian_nuclear_sites
When you blow up all their nuclear sites you accelerate their nuclear program
I see you are borrowing from the Justin Trudeau school of strategy

>>1534046
So you agree and self BTFO?

>>1534045
Trump's administration signed the agreement that was violated by the Biden administration, making it Biden's withdrawal
On 8 July 2021, President Biden announced that the official conclusion to the war in Afghanistan would be on 31 August 2021.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/7/8/mission-accomplished-us-speeds-afghanistan-withdrawal
>Biden delayed the May 1 withdrawal date that he inherited. But ultimately his administration pushed ahead with a plan to withdraw by Aug. 31
If he left on May 1st he would have been honoring the Doha Agreement, but he broke that agreement by delaying the withdrawal an additional 122 days

>>1534047
If you believe that blowing up Irans nuclear program accelerates Irans nuclear program, you would believe that killing terrorists actually makes them win, like Justin Trudeau

>>1534048
In your own words, articulate the difference that delay made in the ultimate outcome of the withdrawal

>>1534049
>strawmanning this hard
yep, you self btfo'd

>>1534046
Clearly something went wrong, since the narrative from the Trump administration went from Iran's nuclear capabilities were obliterated and it would be years if not decades before they'd be able to rebuild and try again in June 2025 to Iran being days away from obtaining a nuclear weapon in March 20206

>>1534050
Let me use a metaphor.
Let's say we signed a lease from January 2021 to May 1st 2021.
If I broke that lease, and stayed an additional 122 days without providing you any kind of compensation or recompense, you would not be happy with me. You would be more hostile. If there was a deposit you might have been happy to give it back to me if I left on May 1st, but at the end of August there would be no chance of you giving me back that deposit

>>1534051
Blowing up Iran's nuclear program was actually Trump giving iran 100 billion dollars
Trump releasing 3.5 million epstein files was actually trump covering up the epstein files
Trump winning the 2024 election and the popular vote was actually Trump losing the election

>>1534053
Which is still 4 years earlier than the way they're misreading Obama's plan that they tore up.

Trump ripped up the deal and impotently wasted American military might to give Iran a nuke 4 years early, and retards are cheering him for it.

>>1534054
What hostilities did United States forces see from the Taliban during the withdrawal, specifically between the May and August of 2021?

>>1534046
When you make it so they can HAVE a nuclear program you accelerate their nuclear program. Under Obama's deal we wouldn't have to waste resources bombing those labs because they wouldn't fucking exist.

>>1534032
>Yes.
So you're saying the Strait is open then? Really?

>We can bomb them whenever we want. We have total air supremacy.
So why are tankers still getting bombed?

>Less leverage than a nuclear weapon.
Arguably more actually considering how nukes have mutually assured destruction whereas Iran blockading the strait strengthens their control over it.

>>1534035
>We just have to keep bombing them forever
Very good foreign policy anon. I'm sure this is a smart decision that will never backfire at all. It's not like they have a major trade route they can close off until we sto- oh wait.

>>1534061
>Tear up deal saying Iran can't build nukes in May 2018
>Do nothing else about it for the remaining two and a half years of your term
>Iran begins developing nuclear materials
HOW COULD OBAMA LET THIS HAPPEN!?

>>1533807
>Weeping moaing and gnashing of teeth
>dRUMPPPFFFffff!!!
Jeez.

>>1534066
You really got btfo here, huh?

>>1534066
Well, it is a weeping and a moaning and a gnashing of teeth in the congresshall, and who no have teeth will rub upon them gums, cause when time it comes to my politics, which is the champion politics, the bugle has blown for many times, and it still have one more time left, cause the amount of stripe where there upon our shoulder...

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A lotta Dems a gonna suffer tonight
Cause this session is getting hotter
And dis here congresshall is under fire

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But remember to praise the champion
And he will guide you throughout this session
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>>1534007
Have you considered Americans have already heard this for decades and don't believe it?

>>1534071
No, I'm not esl retarded enough to think Americans have been hearing a decade old plans for decades
But don't worry, I'm sure you can overcome your mental handicap in time.

>>1534074
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>>1534063
>So you're saying the Strait is open then? Really?
Yes. USN is operating in it and shipping is at about 30%. It's definitely closed for Iran tho.

>So why are tankers still getting bombed
Drones.

>Arguably more actually
>nukes have mutually assured destruction
Think about what you just said. The best leverage is where they can prevent us from ever doing anything because nuclear war.

>>1534064
It's not like these things called "pipes" exist.

>>1534074
I mean, it has consistently been on the news off and on over here for the last thirty years... and it is centrally important that nobody on Earth be allowed to buck the US Yoke, because no other nation can be trusted to lead us forward into the future. The operative question is what, specifically, people plan to do about it.

>>1534078
Bait.

>>1534077
>Yes. USN is operating in it and shipping is at about 30%. It's definitely closed for Iran tho.
More 5-10%.

>Think about what you just said. The best leverage is where they can prevent us from ever doing anything because nuclear war.
Let me break this down for you, retard. One side uses a nuke, they both die. One side closes a strait, now suddenly one is facing economic devastation unless they do what they say. Unless your goal is annihilation of yourself and others, being able to cut off national trade is arguably a much stronger bargaining chip.

>It's not like these things called "pipes" exist.
Do they exist right now?

>>1534077
>The strait is open
>yeah sure we're only getting in a small fraction of what it's supposed to, but it's technically open!
This shit is like saying "yeah I have water" when your faucet only gives you enough for a single glass per day.

>>1534087
>More 5-10%.
No, it's 30%.

>Let me break this down for you, retard
Let me break it down for you, retard. Iran closes the straight and America can't do anything about it because nook.

>Do they exist right now
Yes.

>>1534088
Straight is closed for Iran. Straight is open for the USN
>B... But Mearsk won't go there!
What a great victory for Iran and the Global South.

>>1534090
>No, it's 30%.
The rough estimate (not using the US' complete bullshit "we're actually getting more oil through than before the war" claims) is about 3-4 million barrels per day. Compared to the average of over 20 million from before? 30% isn't even close, and that's not even accounting for the days when Iran bombs another tanker and scares everyone off.

>Let me break it down for you, retard. Iran closes the straight and America can't do anything about it because nook.
As opposed to right now, where the strait is still closed and we can't do anything about it anyways.

>Straight is closed for Iran. Straight is open for the USN
It's open for no one retard. Sneaking through the occasional tanker means nothing when it is quite literally a drop in the bucket compared to normal traffic.

>>1534090
>>Do they exist right now
>Yes.
Wait, you're telling me we actually had an oil pipeline that lets us completely bypass the strait of hormuz right now? Well why the fuck are you keeping that info to yourself anon? That could change the whole war!

>>1534093
>is about 3-4 million barrels per day
It's 4-6
https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/steo/report/energysecurity/article.php?

>opposed to right now, where the strait is still closed and we can't do anything about it anyways.
We're doing quite a bit right now, you know, the whole "war" thing.

>It's open for no one retard
USN is operating freely in it. Commercial ships are transiting it. It's open, not at full capacity but not "closed". The only person's for whom it's closed is Iran.

>>1534094
There are three pipelines that bypass the strait. You're all fired up about this shit but haven't done the basic reading. Typical.

>>1534057
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Kabul_airport_attack
The Abbey gate bombing that killed 182 people and injured 150 people?

>>1534061
So wait, Iran wasn't enriching uranium under the obama deal?
I thought the Obama deal gave them permission to use centrifuge machines and enrich uranium at nuclear facilities
>>1534014

>>1534103
>Asked what hostilities US forces saw from the Taliban during the withdrawal
>Posts link to bombing by ISIS
Brilliant

>>1534099
>It's 4-6
The average doesn't reflect the reality because it includes the ceasefire period where more was getting through. That's not the case anymore.

>We're doing quite a bit right now, you know, the whole "war" thing.
The war that caused the strait to be closed in the first place? You started the war they closed the strait in response to to make them open the strait?

>USN is operating freely in it.
"operating freely" meanwhile literally last week they successfully bombed a ship we were supposed to be escorting. It bled a trail of oil anon. This is not "free operation", it's trying to sneak oil past and hoping they don't get spotted and bombed.

>There are three pipelines that bypass the strait. You're all fired up about this shit but haven't done the basic reading. Typical.
Then why the fuck are gas prices still spiked to shit? The same amount of oil goes through those pipelines that did before the war. Existing pipelines are meaningless because they aren't contributing to replacing what goes through the strait.

>>1534105
>I thought the Obama deal gave them permission to use centrifuge machines and enrich uranium at nuclear facilities
Not at the levels needed for nuclear weapons.

>>1534106
Is this the part where you say ISIS-K is the real threat and start rehabilitating the The Taliban and Al Qaeda?
Really 182 people died and 150 people were injured because of Joe Biden's disastrous withdrawal policy. If you want to know the hostility of the Taliban, it was targeted against the Afghan National Security Forces, which were backed by the United States.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Taliban_offensive
The Taliban began their offensive against US backed forces on May 1st 2021, coinciding with the withdrawal of the United States's 2,500 troops in Afghanistan, and those belonging to other international allies.

>>1534109
I thought you said the labs wouldn't exist, now you're saying the labs would exist but they wouldn't produce enough for nuclear weapons, that's moving the goal posts

>>1534112
>I'm a retarded ESL shill who can't tell the difference between a nuclear enrichment program for nuclear power and bombs
we know

>>1534111
The accusation was Biden pushing back the deadline radically altered the circumstances of the withdrawal agreement made with the Taliban by the Trump administration in 2020
>>1534048
The anon was asked to articulate how the delay altered the outcome
>>1534050
The anon didn't actually respond and went with a metaphor implying the Taliban was angry about the delay
>>1534054
The anon was asked to point out hostilities US forces faced from the Taliban as a result of the delay in withdrawal
>>1534057
You posted a link about a suicide bombing perpetrated by ISIS, sidestepping the question, got called out, and are now posting an article about the Taliban overwhelming the Karzai government, as though that wasn't going to happen the second America withdrew no matter when it happened (after 5000 Taliban troops were released in September 2020 as part of the Trump agreement), and trying to argue that proves... something.

>>1534112
No it isn't retard. This is like saying a nuclear reactor is actually a nuke production plant. They're different labs that require different forms and levels of refinement.

>>1534114
Surprisingly enough though, you're the moron here for expecting ESL shill to actually argue
All they do is lie, strawman, and post links disproving their points.

>>1534116
A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

>>1533953
Proof? Certainly it's more creditable than trump saying he has a deal for the 30th time.

>>1534108
>The war that caused the strait to be closed in the first place? You started the war they closed the strait in response to to make them open the strait?
You asked what we were doing. I told you.

>This is not "free operation", it's trying to sneak oil past and hoping they don't get spotted and bombed.
USN is feely operating in the strait. They just had unarmed minesweeps clearing it. Cope.

>Existing pipelines are meaningless because they aren't contributing to replacing what goes through the strait.
Yeah. It's going to take time to build them.

>>1534112
>>1534115
No, dipshits, the same lab that makes commerical grade uranium can produce weapons grade uranium. The Obama deal required them to use those labs to reduce the potentcy of the uranium they had to a certain level. Once the deal expired they could use those labs to spin them back up to weapons grade.

Doesn't matter anymore, because we bombed the fuck out those labs and killed everyone who knows how to enrich uranium.

>>1534127
>Once the deal expired they could use those labs to spin them back up to weapons grade.
So the better alternative was to tear up the deal, let them spin back up to weapons grade for years, bomb the labs and declare their nuclear program has been obliterated and will take years to recover, then come back eight months later and start a war that disrupts the global energy market for six months because they were just days from having a bomb?

>>1534127
>Yeah. It's going to take time to build them.
So you don't have a solution

>USN is feely operating in the strait. They just had unarmed minesweeps clearing it. Cope.
"Freely operating" would not mean having to do annual minesweeping and ships still getting bombed fuckwit.

>>1534127
>Once the deal expired they could use those labs to spin them back up to weapons grade.
So instead of them having to wait until 2030 to do that, Trump tore up the deal, allowing them to do that immediately and forcing constant direct US intervention via bombings to keep their nuclear program in check? By your logic Trump is even more retarded.

> killed everyone who knows how to enrich uranium.
Evidently fucking not considering we said that last year then used "THEY'RE ABOUT TO BUILD A NUKE!" as justification for bombs this year. It's also retarded to think you can bomb information, especially scientific processes, to death.

>>1534133
>So you don't have a solution
Why would you say that in response to the solution being specifically stated?

>"Freely operating" would not mean having to do annual minesweeping and ships still getting bombed fuckwit
It's been swept of mines, and no USN ships have been bombed.

>>1534134
No, because under the old deal they had sanctions lifted which allows them to generate capital to buy conventional weapons. Ending the old deal put sanctions back in place and kept them out of the weapons market.

>Evidently fucking not considering we said that last year then used "THEY'RE ABOUT TO BUILD A NUKE!" as justification for bombs this year
Evidently so because I'm talking about this year not last year.

>It's also retarded to think you can bomb information, especially scientific processes, to death.
We're not bombing "information" were bombing the craniums which contain the information. Should that information find it's way into any Iranian craniums at any point in the future, we will obliterate those craniums.

>>1534138
>Ending the old deal put sanctions back in place and kept them out of the weapons market.
Is that so
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/iran-get-chinese-shoulder-launched-missile-systems-weeks-sources-say-2026-07-29/
https://archive.is/20260902032836/https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/russia-shipping-explosives-iran-bolster-missile-drone-arsenal-us-war-rcna592892

>>1534141
Yes, China doesn't listen to our sanctions.

>>1534138
your "solution" is just repeating a grifting billionaire's lies while he continues to profit off the deaths and mutilation of regular people

>>1534138
>Evidently so because I'm talking about this year not last year.
Here's Trump and company repeatedly claiming we had to bomb Iran because they were about to build a nuke this year.
>https://www.npr.org/2026/03/04/nx-s1-5734331/trump-claims-there-would-have-been-a-nuclear-war-if-u-s-didnt-strike-iran-first
>https://thehill.com/homenews/5791371-heggeth-trump-iran-nuclear-threat/
>https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2026/02/vp-vance-says-us-sees-evidence-iran-trying-rebuild-nuclear-weapon
And here is them last year claiming Iran's nuclear program was set back decades.
>https://www.legion.org/information-center/news/security/2025/june/trump-says-iran-strikes-set-nuclear-program-back-decades-praises-nato-spending-push
>https://www.npr.org/2025/06/22/nx-s1-5441241/trump-iran-airstrikes-pentagon-news-conference

>>1534138
>We're not bombing "information" were bombing the craniums which contain the information. Should that information find it's way into any Iranian craniums at any point in the future, we will obliterate those craniums.
Yeah so basically we just have to keep bombing them forever. Very good logic here buddy, very reliable long term solution.

>>1534138
>Why would you say that in response to the solution being specifically stated?

>Sir my house doesn't have water
>Don't worry, we might build a well in four years
>But I need water now-
>I gave you a solution, why do you keep complaining?

Also
>It's been swept of mines, and no USN ships have been bombed.
Maybe not any navy ships recently, but they did bomb at least two tankers trying to go through under US permission like two days ago.
>https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2zxgg4mx9o

>>1534145
Both things can be true. The last round of strikes were against a specific target the latest are systemic.

>>1534146
What can we do when we are faced by such unreasonable people?

>>1534147
We are building pipelines. Present tense.

>>1534149
seriously though, what do you get out of sucking so much billionaire dick? is it just the love of the game

>>1534149
>Both things can be true. The last round of strikes were against a specific target the latest are systemic.
Actually no you fucking idiot. Either we did set their entire nuclear program back decades, we didn't and those rounds of bombings weren't anywhere near as effective as we bragged, or they're just fucking lying. There is no "both can be true" because the statements of "We set their nuke progress back decades" and "They were about to make a nuke" are contradictory.

>What can we do when we are faced by such unreasonable people?
Well it's not like we can literally get them to agree to a deal- oh wait. We did and then Trump tore it up.
>Inb4: "But it would've run out in 2030!"
Then we could've done the same thing you suggested then and given ourselves 10 more years of not spending billions bombing Iran. Even by your own logic backing out of the deal was retarded.

Trump is eventually going to either lead the US into economic ruin or cave and surrender to Iran. And when he does I guarantee you he will shift to bragging about how ended an expensive war and opened the strait like an arsonist firefighter taking credit for putting out a fire they fucking started.

>>1534142
>The sanctions kept them out of the weapons market
>Except with two of the largest weapons manufacturing economies in the world
Huh

>>1534152
>Either we did set their entire nuclear program back decades
We did by destroying their stockpile of enriched uranium.
> we didn't
We did. We just didn't destroy their entire ability to enrich more urnaium.
>can literally get them to agree to a deal-
Of course they will agree to a deal where they get everything they want and can still build nukes.
>given ourselves 10 more years of not spending billions bombing Iran
Who says they would agree? Ten years to build up their military they may have actually been in a position to do serious damage.
>Trump is eventually going to either lead the US into economic ruin
Bait
>or cave and surrender to Iran.
More bait.


Problem here is you're so obsessed with Trump it taints your ability to think about things.

>>1534153
They can't buy from Russia or China if they don't have money. Under the Obama deal they could trade freely and this generate the capital they need to buy toys from Russia and China.

>>1534155
Which they're still currently buying, as shown in the links post

>>1534154
>We did by destroying their stockpile of enriched uranium.
>We did. We just didn't destroy their entire ability to enrich more urnaium.
So no actually, we fucking didn't. If you destroy a stockpile and they basically immediately got more, that means that if your goal was to stop them from having it you didn't do shit.

>Who says they would agree? Ten years to build up their military they may have actually been in a position to do serious damage.
Who tore up the fucking treaty anon? Because it sure as fuck wasn't Iran.

>Bait
Gas costs more every day and we're on the verge of a separate economic crisis from the AI bubble. Tick tock.

>Problem here is you're so obsessed with Trump it taints your ability to think about things.
You're so obsessed with sucking his cock you can't recognize one of the worst US foreign policy and conflict blunders in its entire history. Sometimes the person everyone calls an idiot really is a fucking idiot.

>>1534156
>They could buy MORE
Goddamit dude do I have to fucking spell everything out for you?

>>1534157
>If you destroy a stockpile and they basically immediately got more, that means that if your goal was to stop them from having it you didn't do shit.
Wat? Who says they immediately got more?
>Who tore up the fucking treaty anon? Because it sure as fuck wasn't Iran.
Who says they would renew?
>Gas costs more every day and we're on the verge of a separate economic crisis from the AI bubble. Tick tock
Bait.
>You're so obsessed with sucking his cock you can't recognize one of the worst US foreign policy and conflict blunders in its entire history
I'm not. Trump is meh. He does some cool shit. He does some retarded shit. I'm just looking at the facts and America is winning this conflict pretty decisively for very little cost.

>>1534158
>We had to tear up the deal so they couldn't purchase weapons for a war which happened as a direct result of tearing up the deal
>Weapons which they are still purchasing
>But if we didn't tear up the deal, they would have been able to purchase more weapons for the war that happened because we tore up the deal
Fascinating

>>1533807
Ahahahahaha! What a joke!

>>1534160
>Wat? Who says they immediately got more?
The fact that they then apparently got more uranium we had to bomb them to stop from enriching, again.

>Who says they would renew?
Who says they wouldn't, anon? And in that case, Trump basically cut our two decade break of having to spend billions bombing them every year short by a decade.

>I'm not. Trump is meh. He does some cool shit. He does some retarded shit. I'm just looking at the facts and America is winning this conflict pretty decisively for very little cost.
>very little cost
Funny because I see a very big cost every time I go to a fucking gas station.