“While defenders would argue this is a policy platform rather than a bribe, the explicit transaction creates real legal risk. Regardless of criminal law, the president lacks the constitutional authority to issue payments unilaterally. Under the Appropriations Clause and the Anti-Deficiency Act, spending over a trillion dollars requires explicit congressional funding and cannot occur by executive order. The Hatch Act largely exempts the president, though staff involvement would trigger criminal scrutiny. The statement conflicts with the spirit of federal vote-buying laws,” they added.

What to know about Trump 'bribe'?

Trump said the $5,000 payment would be called the ‘Trump dividend’. “Now all we have to do is win,” he added. As per Bloomberg, this would cost the US government well in excess of $1 trillion.

Trump however, did not describe how the payments would be issued, or funded. Any cash payments would have to be approved by Congress. The announcement comes at a time when the significant US deficit is already weighing on borrowing costs. The money, Trump said, would need to be spent in the US, though the president didn’t go into details about how that would be enforced.

Can it even be considered an attempted bribe when it's such an obvious lie that only people who are retarded enough to support him anyway would believe it?

>>1535219
trump's failed coup is still a coup even if it was done in the most retarded possible fashion.

He thinks so little of the MAGA base, it's incredible.
I thought I had no respect for the intelligence of miggers. But Trump, man. He just insults them like this right to their faces.

This is what President Trump meant when he said hes made billions in the stock market for America, not himself. His market success was never about him, it was always a way to help the American people

>>1535224
If it's from his own money sure, but it's not. He's absolutely going to stab everyone in the back like he always does.

>>1535216
>Only Dems can offer free shit to win
Interesting.

>>1535219
Yes. Yes, it can. An official openly offering money for votes has broken the law. You cannot assume that he was joking, since he was speaking in an official capacity.

But Trump is different. He is immune, because the GOP has managed to stack the USSC far, far more effectively than the Democrats have since Reagan. Obama was the greatest failure among Democrats. Trump has been the greatest winner since Reagan.

>>1535226
>It's okay when Trump does it because the voices in my head I call "Dems" did it
Interesting

>>1535228
>Free bus rides
>Free everything!!!
Arrest the entire DSA. There are still laws on the books outlawing communists in the US.

>>1535229
Dems never did it, ESL shill is just hallucinating as usual

>>1535230
>There are still laws on the books outlawing communists in the US.

In fact, there are not.

>>1535232
In fact there are. The Communist Control Act was never repealed.

>>1535233
It also hasn't been enforced because it is presumptively unconstitutional and has been found as such repeatedly in court. There's a difference between something being on the books and being good law. Plenty of laws get killed by judges or prosecutorial policy while remaining "on the books".

>>1535234
replying to a shill/troll. The CCA has nothing to do with President Trump attempting to bribe voters.

>>1535235
Democrats do it all the time though.
Is he stealing your only platform?

>>1535234
Still wrong. Suck my ass, faggot.

>>1535236
>>1535226
>Russia shill immediately goes to russian tactics
*Taps the post*
https://files.catbox.moe/1nmmn6.jpg

Given trump conspired with the Russians and is using their corrupt tactics to steal the election, it's not a shocker.

>>1535238
You do know that China, Venezuela, Cuba, and Iran are all allied with Russia, right?

>>1535224
russian hands typed this post

>>1535216
>President Donald Trump has been accused of bribery and vote buying online after he offered $5000 dividend checks to American adults if Republicans won the midterms.
idgaf a fuck if its a bribe, Democrats need to offer more.

Also both Biden & Trump owe from promises they never delivered last time. Lying politician cunts I want my fucking money.

>>1535239
Yet trump can't stop sucking putin's dick, fascinating!

>>1535240
>pee soaked crippled hands typed this

Please remember: if you want to say this is policy and not bribery, then it is really really stupid policy.

>>1535243
But enough but trump's russian hookers

What good is an extra five thousand dollars going to do for the people that are struggling right now if they have to burn through it in less than a year just to feed themselves and their families?

>>1535247
A smart person will think of that, a conservative won't though.

Republicans control both houses of Congress right now. There's nothing stopping him from sending out checks today. Why the wait until after midterms?

>>1535250
trump doesn't want to start having to deal with oversight that he'll ignore and have the republican supreme court run interference for him, further pressuring the center right corporate democrats into embracing judicial reform.

>>1535250
Same thing that kept them from sending out checks the last couple times Trump promised free money.

>>1535230
Public transport is public transport, it being free would actually be a boon. Why fuck around with traffic while coping with elevated fuel prices when you can just hop a train into town?

>>1535226
>t. voted for a child fucker
Go cry some more maggot

>There are still laws on the books outlawing communists in the US
>a POTUS in the 1950s who was previously Supreme Commander of the Allies in WWII used his military genius to destroy an anti-Communist by ignoring McCarthy. The latter becoming a pariah in the Republican party, he could do less than nothing in terms of introducing legislation, thus in Soviet America outlawed is you
>Dwight D. Eisenhower still the last decent Republican president
>Communist Party of USA not only exists to this day, but has tax exemption from the IRS as a nonprofit. PROTIP: 1st Amendment: George Washington & co. ensured communists' right to exist in USA, any & all of their rights protected by law under the document they created, the Founding Fathers were that forward thinking. Those who so much as think differently, you aren't Americans
https://www.cpusa.org/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_USA
Reality proves your opinions wrong, 1535230. And you aren't American, 1535233 1535237.

>>1535230
>Free bus rides
Why the fuck would you not want that?

>>1535216
Weren't we supposed to get this for him being elected in 2024?

>>1535262
Oh yeah, tariff checks and DOGE checks. any day now!

People living in 10 million dollar houses will get 5k. People shooting up on the street sleeping on benches will get 5k!! It will totally happen!

when "It's too good to be true", it's too good to be true.

>>1535216
5k to every voter: legal

giving a bottle of water to someone in line voting: illegal

>accused
>not legally accused of a crime, just somebody typed something on the internet
He's done for

>>1535263
Moreover, why does he think this is a good campaign promise when he's already reneged on it twice?

Bro you keep saying this and then don't do it. Even leaving aside the economic feasibility of this, no one is going to believe you when you promise it a third time after you failed to do it the first two times. At least no one whose vote wasn't going towards you anyways.

>>1535267
Sadly it works. There are a lot of simple minded fucks out there who will believe it.

>>1535265
this is true now. ICE and local and county law enforcement will be out in full effect in blue precincts in big cities. They will actively prevent registered voters from entering the polls. They will do this all over the country.

>>1535265
>giving a bottle of water to someone in line voting: illegal
Seething out of context.
I think I finally figured out the liggeral subhuman.
They are entirely incapable of understanding higher order thought like ontext.
I'll need to study more any liggerals want to volunteer?

1535288
>understanding higher order thought like ontext
>ontext
>inb4 "grammar nazi", "context" etc
esl shill has no concept of "context", least of all how to read, speak and write English properly as an American can do very easily, because they have an education, thus are superior to subhumans such as the esl shill.
>inb4 'typo" or any other excuse
There's no excuses allowed for being an esl shill 1535288, other than your constant need to humiliate yourself in /news/
And >>1535265 is right, you know. If you have the higher order thinking to understand that superior humans never have wrong opinions such as yours, subhuman migger esl shill.

>>1535216
The first electoral crime ever committed…..

>>1535288
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_Integrity_Act_of_2021

>democrats are against UBI because Trump is doing it this time
Phenomenal reasoning.

>>1535315
>I don't understand what UBI is
It's okay. Being born retarded isn't a moral failing.

>>1535315
Hey do you know what the difference between income and a one time payment is anon?

>>1535226
source?

>>1535321
>gibs plz
>NO NOT LIKE THAT!
kek

Socialists should love President Trump now. More socialist than any of your so called Democratic Socialist leaders. Mamdani never handed out 5 grand checks.

>>1535355
Ok so you don't. Got it.

>trump offered to
so, trump lied about something else

With the DOGE and tariff checks, average Joe Americans stand to make nearly 10000 dollars if President Trump wins. Fucking incredible. This is a real man of the people. What has Mamdani done for people?

Why don't Trump and the Republicans send out the checks now and guarantee a landslide in November? They have control of both houses, what's stopping them?

>>1535428
Not only that, in the past half year my car can hold 90 dollars of gas, before it could only hold 50 dollars of gas. So much winning.

>>1535441
Well you see, if they do it now you won't vote for them. But also if they win, then they don't have to do it because they already got what they wanted
>But won't Trump abide by his campaign promises
Where's the two $2000 checks he promised after he got elected?

>Trump promises to pay someone something
>Trump doesn't pay them and they have to sue
>He's been doing this for over fifty years.

MIGA: but it's real this time, promise!

>>1535461
Look, not even Trump lying about giving out 5k could make me vote for Democrats.
Therefore, I don't care about money. I want to see Democrat carcasses burned as the demons they literally are.

>>1535461
Trump's offering maybe 5 grand.
Democrats are offering total economic pain, and faggot/brown superiority. I think I'll vote Republican since I win either way, even if I don't get 5 grand.

>>1535464
>>1535465
hi esl shill

>>1535465
>I think I'll vote Republican since I win either way, even if I don't get 5 grand.
You mean you're gonna vote for Modi when your next election comes around in India.

>>1535468
Damn, the 'better people' on this board sure hate fags and browns.
When are we teaming up to kill all the jews?
We could do it this time.

>>1535470
>Damn, the 'better people' on this board sure hate fags and browns.
>When are we teaming up to kill all the jews?
>We could do it this time.
"Mom, look! I'm an edgelord on 4chan!"

>>1535216
Reminder that, assuming this goes to every adult in the country, this is literally adding about 1.35 trillion to the national debt in one big bang.

It's not gonna happen and if it did it would be fucking disastrous.

>>1535474
No it wouldn't

>>1535474
WHOA! BIG WOW!
>ACA funnels 2 trillion into the medical industry for billionires to buy yachts with; I sleep
>dRumpf wants to give out 5k to normal people; I'm woke.
Why should anyone think liggerals would even actually care?

>>1535477
Just nationalize the medical industry and cut out all those parasitic middle men.
Oh wait, communism bad and you really didn't want to save that money.

>>1535477
Where are the DOGE checks he promised last year?
Where are the tariff dividend checks he promised last year?
Why does he need to wait until after midterms to send out the 5000 dollar checks? What's stopping him from doing it today?

>>1535479
Using the government to provide services has historically ended up in decay.
Why would anyone suggest making the #3 leading cause if death in the US even worse?

>>1535486
>Using the government to provide services has historically ended up in decay.
Yeaaaaaaaah except in all the countries it works perfectly fine.

>>1535216
>>1535219
>>1535228
it's not bribery because he's offering it to everybody. It would only be bribery if he said he would only give the $5,000 to people who voted for Republicans. Democrats offer free shit every election.
>>1535231
>>1535229
>Dems never campaigned on giving people gibs
LMAO
>>1535295
and there it is! There's the concession!
WE DID IT AGAIN! Woke leftoids BTFO so badly they conceded yet again!

Thread is over everybody, no need to reply anymore after they already conceded and admitted defeat like this.

>>1535259
>Free $5,000
Why the fuck would you not want that?

>>1535493
it's not over until you die esl shill, we will always laugh at your paltry existence

>>1535495
You already admitted you were wrong and we were right so it obviously is over. Better luck next thread though.

>>1535498
i don't argue with you, but it's nice to hear you're suffering paranoid delusions from all the ridicule

>>1535494
Because five thousand isn't actually that much in the long run. Imagine how much the average city worker spends on public transport every year. Shit adds up fast.

>>1535494
Because it’s fucking illegal, fucking nothing compared to the economic damage the bastard’s caused, and not going to fucking happen anyway.

>>1535494
there's a difference between raw money and resources. Free bus travel can be fairly easily achieved through proper managing and budgeting of existing taxes. "Free" 5k for everyone has to come from somewhere. There's no trick you can do; you just add over a trillion dollars in debt overnight.

>>1535506
>fucking nothing compared to the economic damage the bastard’s caused,
GDP growth at 4% btw.
Trade deficit down $10B btw.
Wage growth of 3.5% btw.
Housing down 1.5%, and trending down, btw.

>>1535518
this is why nobody takes you seriously

>>1535518
They don't know. Liggerals live in an alternate reality. Even when shown they have no idea what they're talking about they'll ignore it.
You'll hear more about this supposed economic damage, but instead of just saying it outright, it'll be disguised something like "The price of Avacado toast is up $.47 'cause bLumpf!!!" because despite knowing it's wrong you're speaking with a cultist who believes it even if it's untrue.

>>1535518
National debt status?

>>1535518
>Trade deficit down $10B btw.
This isn't a good thing lmao.

>>1535486
Just ban conservatives from serving in the government along with giving the death penalty for corruption and forced organ harvesting of those killed in capital punishment, who also cannot use religion as a waiver.
Suddenly that decay stops.

>>1535537
No one cares.

>>1535540
Won't work.
1. Conservatives are the only people you can really trust as a group.
2. The death penalty doesn't deter Liggerals from stealing which is why they really want to nationalize everything.

>>1535543
>won't work
your mother and i are both acutely aware of that

>>1535537
Just as bad as when the Biden admin handed things over.

>>1535538
>less capital leaving your economy is bad actually

>>1535524
>this is why nobody takes you seriously
Because I posted straight facts?

>>1535545
>>less capital leaving your economy is bad actually
>I don't understand what trade deficit is and I'm too afraid to ask
Allow me to point out your logic would only work if home manufacturing went up. Which it pointedly didn't.

>>1535546
You havent made an argument. You've just gone "na uh".

And manufacturing is up.

>>1535548
manufactured lies don't count towards gdp

>>1535550
https://nam.org/ism-manufacturing-pmi-eases-to-54-6-in-eighth-straight-month-of-expansion/

>>1535551
Wow. It's like the adults are in charge and the little Chinese homos are fed lies by their tardwranglers

>>1535518
Yeah, man, going great. Everything costs more and everyone’s getting fired and we’re 40 fucking trillion in debt, but, like, the dow and shit like whoa.

>>1535545
>Just as bad as when the Biden admin handed things over.
Nope.

>>1535548
Not enough to make up for price increases and only in a few select spaces overall. Most of the increase were just companies buying resources up before they'd be tariffed, meaning it doesn't actually do much long term. Meanwhile, actual construction of new manufacturing facilities has only gone down since Trump took office. We're not building the manufacturing industry back, it's just reacting to Trump's tariff shenanigans.

Also, in case you need a basic layout to tell you why decreasing your trade deficit is bad: if your trade deficit is decreasing, that means you're purchasing less from other countries. Trade is mutually beneficial; if you stop doing it, both parties suffer. And as I just told you, it's not even like we're now manufacturing things we used to buy; now we're just not buying them or buying less of them. Meaning the things we import and the things we make with those imports are getting more fucking expensive.

>>1535216
>The primary legal threat is 18 U.S.C. § 600, which criminalizes promising government benefits made possible by Congress as a reward for supporting a political party. Tying the money to GOP control fits § 600 far more closely than a standard tax-cut pledge. Vote-buying statutes like 18 U.S.C. § 597 and 52 U.S.C. § 10307(c) also apply."
So how are Democrats free from prosecution? Mamdani should be jailed,DSAs entire platform can't be spoken of.
Once again Dems avoid persecution.

>>1535559
>So how are Democrats free from prosecution? Mamdani should be jailed,DSAs entire platform can't be spoken of.
Ok but by this logic literally any platform would qualify.

The issue is specifically with promising people direct payments for voting.

>>1535557
>Everything costs more
Yeah, because of the inflation we saw under the Biden admin.
>and we’re 40 fucking trillion in debt
I'm totally in favor of cutting the no 1 driver of public debt.

I dont understand this thing where all the data shows a broad economic recovery and you dudes just want to fucking DOOM

>Just as bad as when the Biden admin handed things over.
>Nope.
When you factor in economic growth debt under Trump 2.0 its a flat line.

>>1535562
>Yeah, because of the inflation we saw under the Biden admin.
No, because Trump put tariffs on everything that directly made a ton of products more expensive, then started a war with Iran that has led to massive gas prices (which affects everything else by proxy due to transportation costs) such as the literal highest diesel has cost ever.

>>1535562
>Yeah, because of the inflation we saw under the Biden admin.
No, it’s because of the tariff, trade wars, and actual wars.
>I dont understand this thing where all the data shows a broad economic recovery and you dudes just want to fucking DOOM
Because it doesn’t.
>When you factor in economic growth debt under Trump 2.0 its a flat line.
Nope.

>>1535558
>Meanwhile, actual construction of new manufacturing facilities has only gone down since Trump took office. We're not building the manufacturing industry back, it's just reacting to Trump's tariff shenanigans.
This is simply untrue.

First, you said manufacturing wasn't growing. I've presented data that shows the complete opposite.

Then, you pivot to "we're not building". Which is also untrue, over $11 trillion in investments have been announced since Trump took office. Currently, $168B has already been spent. Biden was able to get $1 trillion (which is impressive).

Finally, none of this has anything to do with your (idiotic) assertion that "actually a higher trade deficit is better than a lower one".

>>1535562
>all the data shows a broad economic recovery
funny because it literally shows that economic recovery started under Biden and then has begun to stall under Trump.

>>1535566
>Which is also untrue, over $11 trillion in investments have been announced since Trump took office. Currently, $168B has already been spent.
Announcements don't mean shit. Objectively, construction in manufacturing has only gone down since 2024.

>>1535564
>>1535565
>No, it’s because of the tariff,
>No, because Trump put tariffs
Incorrect and its not a fact that's up for debate. The dollar devalued by about 17% under Biden, and consumer prices increased by 21% under his admin. Wages did not climb to match either increase.

"Things are more expensive" is the natural consequence of inflation and CPI increases. This is Eco 101, come on now.

>>1535566
>Finally, none of this has anything to do with your (idiotic) assertion that "actually a higher trade deficit is better than a lower one".
Ok smart guy, please explain how its somehow better that we're not importing things at the same time we're not building those things here either?

The US is one of the biggest economies on the planet. It SHOULD have a pretty big trade deficit with most of the world because there is no way most of the world can compete. By lowering it, all you do is effectively lower how much the US is exporting and importing, which is a bad thing.

>>1535567
>funny because it literally shows that economic recovery started under Biden
You're doing the thing where you count us re-opening the economy under COVID as "growth"?

>>1535568
>Announcements don't mean shit.
Yes, if I was intellectually dishonest I would also say that counterfactuals to my argument don't count.
>Objectively, construction in manufacturing has only gone down since 2024.
First, Trump took office in 2025. Second, "its in decline" is system lag. From investment announcement to groundbreaking takes years.

>>1535567
all the more reason for mr shill to spend the night lying

>>1535570
>please explain how its somehow better that we're not importing things
Capital remains in your economy to be re-invested in your economy instead of being extracted and invested in someone else's economy.
>at the same time we're not building those things here either?
Already dealt with, manufacturing is trending up see >>1535551

>>1535569
> The dollar devalued by about 17% under Biden
And its devalued by about 10% under Trump.
>and consumer prices increased by 21% under his admin
And they've increased another 4% under Trump. And that's WITHOUT COVID fucking up the entire world economy to justify the shift.

>This is Eco 101, come on now.
Eco 101 should've taught you that when you put tariffs on every product (and also thus receive them in turn) it makes every product more expensive you brainlet.

>>1535573
it's cute how you pretend you're not shilling for evil kleptomaniacs

>>1535571
>You're doing the thing where you count us re-opening the economy under COVID as "growth"?
Oh so now you can acknowledge the role covid played in the economy, but not when you're blaming Biden for the low numbers caused by it. Got it.

>>1535574
COVID DID THAT?
No Biden did that by fucking up the response to COVID.
quit trying to hide behind COVID, dickweed.
That was REAL Democrat policy.

>>1535574
>And its devalued by about 10% under Trump.
Its 4.2% under Trump and inflation is trending down.
>And they've increased another 4% under Trump
Which is significantly smaller than 21% and is, again, trending down.
>And that's WITHOUT COVID fucking up the entire world economy to justify the shift.
COVID was neither the cause of inflation or CPI growth. Both were largely caused by the Biden admin dumping $3 trillion into the economy (American Rescue Plan, Infrastructure Investment & Jobs Act, CHIPS Act (actually good), Inflation Reduction Act (lol))

>>1535543
>People trust
Because of the conservative biased media, dismantle that too to stop their brainwashing

>>1535571
>From investment announcement to groundbreaking takes years.
And the problem is the tariffs that would need those new factories to work are being thrown out now. Hence why the economy is in the shitter and everything is more expensive.

>>1535576
>Oh so now you can acknowledge the role covid played in the economy
????
>but not when you're blaming Biden for the low numbers caused by it.
Im blaming Biden for the HIGH inflation numbers and HIGH CPI growth.

>>1535577
>>1535578
>guys no COVID didn't do anything to the economy at all
you're literally 12.

>>1535578
shill anon, trump literally dismantled the petrodollar

>>1535580
>And the problem is the tariffs that would need those new factories to work are being thrown out now
I dont even understand what you're trying to say.
>everything is more expensive.
Inflation. CPI. Biden. We have been over this.

>>1535585
>I dont even understand what you're trying to say.
If you're going to put tariffs on everything, you should have the fucking manufacturing boom first instead of trying to force it to happen through tariffs.

>Inflation. CPI. Biden. We have been over this.
Trump directly inflated the cost of goods through tariffs and Iran. We've been over this. You're trying to argue the guy making it more expensive for things to be made and shipped is actually making them cheaper.

>>1535583
I'm pointing out that you're attempting to blame COVID when it was bidens response to COVID that caused the issues.

>>1535583
>>guys no COVID didn't do anything to the economy at all
who are you quoting?

>>1535587
>you should have the fucking manufacturing boom
$11 trillion dollars is quite the fucking boom.

>Trump directly inflated the cost of goods through tariffs and Iran
4.2% and declining v 17% under Biden.

>You're trying to argue the guy making it more expensive for things to be made and shipped is actually making them cheaper.
Yes. CPI is trending down.

>>1535587
Where is this inflation, bitch breath?
It sounds like you've watched in to a scam and can't get over the fact you fell for it again.

>>1535589
Yeah meanwhile I go to the gas station and diesel is quite literally the most expensive it has ever been in the history of the country. Trump fucked up and he doesn't even have a global shutdown to take the blame for it. Stop sucking his dick and face facts that his economic policy has been an objective failure.

>>1535596
it's his job to suck maga dick though

>>1535596
>I go to the gas station and diesel is quite literally the most expensive it has ever been in the history of the country.
>Trump fucked up and he doesn't even have a global shutdown to take the blame for it.
And yet inflation and CPI and trending down.

>face facts
I've presented nothing but facts, you're the one refusing to acknowledge them.

>>1535595
>Where is this inflation, bitch breath?
Go to a gas station or supermarket lately?

>>1535600
>Go to a gas station or supermarket lately?
If only there was some sort of objective measure of inflation. Like, something that gave us data over vibes.

Stop doom spiraling.

>>1535596
I didn't recall you complaining when gas was expensive as fuck not even 3 years ago.
I do recall you trying to dodge blame for INSANE inflation though.
It's as if your fucked opinion changes with the wind and you're able to make arguments you don't even care about.

>>1535599
>And yet inflation and CPI and trending down.
Wow cool. And yet mortgages are up, food is more expensive, and gas is spiked to shit. Curious how we're apparently doing so well yet literally everything costs more than it did outside of COVID.

>I've presented nothing but facts, you're the one refusing to acknowledge them.
What you say doesn't reflect reality and you refuse to acknowledge that Trump's economic policy is complete nonsense. The man threatened to ban all trade with countries we have a trade deficit with last week. His illegal tariffs directly resulted in millions of dollars being stolen from American consumers when only corporations were refunded on them. And his tariff strategy still has completely failed in its intended goals.

>>1535603
>>1535606
>Guys no everything is fine
We're not in a global pandemic and yet our current prices and economy feels like it still is. That's a failure by all metrics.

>>1535603
$2 gas status?

>>1535600
The vast majority of food in the US is grown in the US or not subject to tariffs.
The same is true of US gasoline.
So you fell for it again.
And the inflation you're seeing is from Bidens 20% inflation which apparently you didn't even notice until it became politically convenient to push such a scam

>>1535611
god you're esl

>>1535609
Ok here it is again. Biden FUCKED UP. COVID didn't do it, Biden did tangibly and with data.

>>1535607
>And yet mortgages are up
Down from the Biden era. 7.04% down to 6.76%.

> food is more expensive
Yes. That's how inflation works.

>and gas is spiked to shit
Still cheaper than the Biden high. $5/gal v $4.20/gal today.

>Curious how we're apparently doing so well
We're recovering and all the data supports it.

>yet literally everything costs more than it did outside of COVID.
Biden devaluing the dollar by about 25% will do that.

>What you say doesn't reflect reality
Im quoting raw data. Its pure reality.

>And his tariff strategy still has completely failed in its intended goals.
ELEVEN TRILLION DOLLARS thats an investment thats 1/3rd the size of our entire economy.

>>1535614
>>1535615
posting multiple times doesn't add to your credibility

>>1535611
>The vast majority of food in the US is grown in the US or not subject to tariffs.
Actually, they are indirectly, proving that much like Trump you have no fucking clue how tariffs work. Food grown in the US isn't tariffed; you know what is? The parts for the machines they need to harvest and process them. And also the fertilizer they need to grow them. And then you know what happens when the retaliatory tariffs mean farmers and producers make less money on their exports? They have to increase the price at home to make up for that lost revenue too.

You know what else affects food? Not properly inspecting it. Something Trump also caused when he let DOGE and RFK tear apart regulatory and inspector bodies. Hence why we're currently in an all time high of recalls.

Oh, and in the case of crops, you know what you need for those? Workers. The workers Trump caused a shortage of with his ICE shenanigans. The supposed replacement by native workers didn't happen, hence why we have over 2 million unfilled agricultural jobs.

Gas meanwhile... well, let me put this plainly; 20% of the world's oil supply is currently tied up because of a war Trump started. I'll let you draw your own conclusions on how that might, MIGHT, affect gas prices. Or you can just compare gas prices from last year to this year and figure it out yourself.

>>1535617
>Two posts under the cool down limit.
Uh, faganon...

>>1535624
anon, you're a shill. literally everyone knows

>>1535614
>COVID did nothing it was totally all Biden
>Ignore the global economy effects it had to be Biden

>>1535623
Anon, I already know the answer but did you fact check your assumption that fertilizer and parts are tariffed?
Maybe you should. I'll accept your apology for being a fuckwit once you post it. Tia.

>>1535615
Again, keep blatantly ignoring COVID and the effects it had on the global economy so you can keep screeching "Biden bad" as Trump drives us off a cliff.

>>1535504
>$0 is more than $5,000
leftist math
>>1535506
how is this illegal but free buses isn't?
>economic damage
name anything he's done that damaged the economy more than mass immigration
>>1535507
>there's a difference between increasing taxes so people can spend it how they want, and increasing taxes so people are forced to spend it a certain way

>>1535629
>I already know the answer but did you fact check your assumption that fertilizer and parts are tariffed?
Hey retard. Did the US put tariffs on raw materials like steel and aluminum?

And hey, I'll admit we don't have tariffs on fertilizer... anymore. Because we had to drop them two months back because combined with the war it was about to cause a crisis.
>https://reason.com/2026/06/30/trumps-fertilizer-tariff-retreat-is-another-admission-that-tariffs-raise-prices/

>>1535632
>how is this illegal but free buses isn't?
There's a difference between a government providing a service and just paying every individual 5k flat out.

>>1535630
Biden fucking up the response to COVID was tangible. Which doesn't exempt him from blame like you are trying to argue.

>>1535636
Alright. Explain how then. Explain what exactly Biden did so awfully in specific that wasn't just the result of COVID itself fucking up the world economy for a year and a half.

>>1535638
he's just going to copy paste some nonsense we've all heard a million times. i'd suggest you just make fun of him next time

>>1535634
How would that affect imported parts which are a different category. Take your sorry low info poster owning hypotheticals and assconsumptions back to fagland, dickweed. I'm exhausted of dealing with low info liggerals.

>>1535638
Check the archive. It's been covered

>>1535640
>How would that affect imported parts which are a different category
>how would tariffs on materials used to make parts affect the prices of the parts

>>1535641
So: no you don't have an answer, you just keep parroting this to blame Biden for everything, even the shit Trump is objectively responsible for.

Just like his admin.

>>1535642
HEY RETARD WTF ARE YOU DOING?
SPEND SOME FUCKING TIME ON GOOGLE AND DIDN'T @ ME WITH YOU'RE GAY FAGGOT STORIES YOU MADE UP.
Thank you.

the meltdown is always the best part

>>1535643
See above. And swap out didn't for *don't.

>>1535646
>Lol I'm retreated to the point where I make people flip out
>I'm winning!!!
Probably not a victory tbh

>>1535638
>Alright. Explain how then. Explain what exactly Biden did so awfully in specific that wasn't just the result of COVID itself fucking up the world economy for a year and a half.
1535641
>I-I-I don't have the evidence to refute your facts which prove my lies and opinions wrong, so I'll demand you look for what doesn't exist because it's lies
In other words, the projecting Trump shill 1535641 is saying 'My source is I made it the fuck up'.

>>1535649
>'My source is I made it the fuck up'.
Based.

>>1535649
Can you provide a source that doesn't blame biden partially for the post-Covid hyper inflation?

Ok how about $2,000 now to every American to prove Trump isn't bullshitting, and then $3,000 if he wins the midterms
If he did that he'd guarantee his victory, but as it is no one's gonna believe him

Can someone explain to me the difference between promising $5000 rebate dividends if you win the midterm, and promising $10,000 in student loan forgiveness, $20,000 if you had a pell grant if you win the midterms?
https://x.com/POTUS46Archive/status/1562462774969581570

>>1535652
Do you find it funny that all the leftists are the ones complaining about this and no one seems to care on the other side?.
That just proves that liggerals desired power more than socialism.
So let me ask this, how long will we be hearing about this faux outrage you don't even care about but you're so uneducated on your opponents beliefs that you think makes a compelling argument against Trump to then this time?
Seriously give me a time line.

i wonder what's for dinner tomorrow

>>1535653
No and I'll need you to shut up about that.

>>1535653
$10,000 is twice as much as $5000, so if $5000 is bad it is twice as bad

>>1535653
Sure, its pretty obvious

>>1535583
Trump had low inflation while dealing with covid
https://i.imgur.com/cCgEfoN.jpeg

>>1535657
DO NOT SPEAK ABOUT THIS!
It's a whataboutism. We are talking about Trump.
Stay focused and, again, stop talking about this!

>>1535660
Indeed. That's why it's obvious that Biden fucked up the response to COVID causing inflation and not the other way around. In fact, peak inflation was in 2022 after COVID was declared over.

>>1535216
he wont pay. He still owes from last election, cunt.

>>1535663
How much? I got $1700 IIRC last time.
So far Obama stole $500 from me via the individual mandate bullshit.
Not looking good for Dems.

>>1535664
Whatabout
Conservatives always evading responsibility, just like their russian masters

>Trump: 'I'll pay you $5,000, but only if the Republicans win the midterms'
>this 'dividend' would cost $1 trillion
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2026/09/08/social-security-fund-runs-dry-some-republicans-say-its-time-raise-taxes/
https://archive.md/7ZIpe
>As Social Security fund runs dry, some Republicans say it’s time to raise taxes
So much for that idea. So much for Republicans winning 2028.

>>1535216
Not bribery and not illegal.
His statement is protected by the First Amendment because he said he would pay 5k USD to all MAGA voters IF MAGA wins he didn't claim you have to vote MAGA to get money.

>>1535673
>telling that people that will decide if you win you'll give them all money if you win isn't bribery
Sure, anon.

>>1535673
"maga voters" means people who voted maga. If maga wins and he gives 5k to everyone, then it's not illegal, it's just fucking stupid. If he gives it to only people who supported maga candidates, then it is illegal.
Who knows what his dementia-addled brain actually meant to offer?

You people are idiots. Trump and his kids are obviously heavily into polymarket betting. This is just another attempt to cash in on his current job.

>>1535672
Even though his approval keeps hitting record lows, I have 0 doubt in my mind that everyone who voted for him in 24 is gonna do exactly what he says in the midterms.

>>1535686
nah I wouldn't say everyone. There are legitimately a lot of people who hated the idea of a 2nd Biden/Harris admin who are incredibly pissed at how he did literally everything they worried would happen under them, including the inflation, war with Iran, systemic corruption...

>massive backlash
by who? Seething libtards with terminal TDS. you lost lmao

Did you guys see his insane rambling into his reasoning on giving out the 5K, but only after Republicans win the midterms?

Listen to this shit:
"Because the Democrats can’t do it. Because with them, it’s negative growth. With us, it’s so positive,” Trump said. “So, we’re taking in $21 trillion. No country has ever taken in anywhere near that. It’s four or five times higher than the next one. All because of that beautiful word you and I love more than most others, tariffs.”

>>1535630
>ignoring COVID and the effects
I'm not. The entire argument is that Bidens policies and excessive spending drove up inflation and CPI.

>>1535697
Yes, we've been making fun of your simplistic and unsound argument that 'Biden did it'
You're catching up, esl shill

>>1535697
you are. it is your job to lie, after all

>>1535638
>exactly Biden did so awfully
Dump $3 trillion into the economy. Push energy policy that caused an already stressed energy market to freak the fuck out.

COVID was going to cause inflation. Biden made it worse and we can compare by looking at other advanced economies that did not embrace retarded policies: the Euro devalued by 15%, the Yuan by 11%.

>>1535698
>>1535699
>No argument
>No counterfactuals
>No figures
>Just pure seethe
Delicious.

>>1535700
>Biden made it worse and we can compare by looking at other advanced economies that did not embrace retarded policies: the Euro devalued by 15%, the Yuan by 11%.
So they also got devalued almost the same amount as the US.

Considering things were going up by the ends of Biden's term, he seems to have turned it into a recession near miss. Then in comes Trump with his tariffs and Iran war...

>>1535701
you need to be taken seriously for people to argue with you, shill anon. work on it

>>1535702
>11%.
>So they also got devalued almost the same amount as the US.
Dollar was devalued by 25% which is 66% more than the Euro and 108% more than the Yuan

>he seems to have turned it into a recession near mis
By dumping $3T into the economy and causing inflation and the CPI to explode. EU and China also avoided recessions while not wrecking their currency and while limiting cost of living issues.

>Then in comes Trump with his tariffs and Iran war...
I don't know why you keep pushing this. Every single data point shows that the US economy is recovering and growing. I know you WANT it to be bad, because Trump or whatever, but thats simply not the reality.

>>1535705
anon, diesel just reached the highest price ever recorded, due to a war trump said he wouldn't start

>>1535707
As I said, I know you WANT things to be bad, so you fixate on single data points and ignore the meaningful data that paints a broader picture.

>>1535709
>so everything is more expensive because of trump, but that's just cherrypicking
see why nobody takes you seriously

>>1535705
>Dollar was devalued by 25%
Wait but >>1535569
>The dollar devalued by about 17% under Biden
Which is it fucko?

>Every single data point shows that the US economy is recovering and growing. I know you WANT it to be bad, because Trump or whatever, but thats simply not the reality.
I go to the grocery store and everything has jumped up about 30% or so in price. I go to fill up my car and it costs almost twice what it did when Biden left office. It IS bad and you don't want to acknowledge it because "look, the DOW!" and shit like that. At most we're being held up on paper by the AI trend, but we already know that is a bubble doomed to burst.

>>1535710
>everything is more expensive because of trump
Inflation is down massively and stable. That's the data. Already posted in this thread.

>>1535713
sure, and trump is going to pay everyone in the nation 5,000 dollars. see why nobody takes you seriously

>>1535713
>That's the data
But not the reality. You're not convincing anyone when the average person can see, measurably, that everything costs more than it did in 2024. Gas, food, housing, and especially electronics all spiked and in case you didn't notice you kinda need all of those things.

CPI doesn't matter when one hour of work can buy much less than it could before.

>>1535712
>go to the grocery store and everything has jumped up about 30% or so in price
Nope. CPI is up 5% under Trump.

>go to fill up my car and it costs almost twice what it did when Biden left office
And it still costs less than average price during Bidens term.

>bad and you don't want to acknowledge it because "look, the DOW!" and shit like that.
Its better than at any point since 2020. Again, this is based on the data. Also, I haven't mentioned the DOW once, you're the one who keeps being it up. I've looked at inflation, CPI, the manufacturing index, housing prices and wage growth.

Idk why you let your partisan brain waste so much of your time arguing against reality itself.

>>1535715
>You're not convincing anyone when the average person can see, measurably, that everything costs more than it did in 2024.
Yes. Everything will always cost more. That's the nature of inflation which generally sits at 2-3%.

>CPI doesn't matter when one hour of work can buy much less than it could before
CPI is the measure of the increase of consumer prices. Its literally how we measure how much you can buy, moron.

>>1535716
>you must trust the numbers from the administration full of pathological liars
see why nobody takes you seriously

>>1535719
>That's the nature of inflation which generally sits at 2-3%.
Note - it's usually not a big deal because wage growth usually also sits at 2-3%. The problem is that under Biden we had massive inflation and no wage growth hence everyone is feeling financially strained.

>>1535216
>Trump knows he is going to lose and desperate enough to resort to naked socialism
he's done

>>1535721
>we
LOL

>>1535722
You're going to be disappointed by the midterms.

>>1535716
>Nope. CPI is up 5% under Trump
People can and have compared prices before and after anon. The CPI is not a perfect reflection and the reality is the things in the store that costs $20 before Trump's second term now cost around $30.

>And it still costs less than average price during Bidens term.
"average price during Bidens term" includes COVID you retard. That's like saying "well you see, if we average out the time your outpost caught on fire and burned down antarctica is actually quite mild most of the time".

>>1535703
ESL shill convinced themselves that no one wants to debate them because their position is unassailable.
Its the internet version of a crazy homeless person shrieking conspiracy theories at cars.

>>1535721
>The problem is that under Biden we had massive inflation and no wage growth hence everyone is feeling financially strained.
And we still have no wage growth. And yet things continue to get even more expensive, especially since we started a war with Iran that led to massive fuel price spikes, which then raises the prices of everything else.

>>1535716
>But guys, the numbers!
Meanwhile in reality everything costs more and the average paycheck can buy less. You don't know shit because you're determined to ignore that we're hitting record prices with no wage increase to balance it out.

>>1535728
>Meanwhile in reality everything costs more and the average paycheck can buy less
MIGA are weasels who have been programmed to ignore reality and latch on to unrelated conspiracy theory nonsense to explain why they're so fucking stupid.
ESL shill is worse than that, an illiterate third worlder trained to copy/paste AI arguments

>>1535725
>No this objective means of measuring consumer prices doesn't count because it doesn't suit my narrative

>average price during Bidens term" includes COVID you retard
And? You're saying that CPI and inflation doesn't count because COVID while saying it's Trump's fault that CPI and inflation happened during COVID under another administration. That makes no sense.

>>1535730
anon, you're arguing trump has inflation under control in a thread about trump alleging to throw 1.3 trillion dollars to the wind if he wins. it's impossible to take you seriously

>>1535730
>And? You're saying that CPI and inflation doesn't count because COVID
I'm saying blaming Biden for the effects of a global pandemic is akin to trying to connect damage from an earthquake to economic policy. Some things don't give a shit about policy.
>inb4 "but Biden's covid response!"
Biden's covid response actually managed to narrowly dodge a recession and things were improving until Trump came in.

>>1535727
>And we still have no wage growth
Real hourly wages have fallen 0.3% which is up from the decline 1.4% under Biden. Extrapolate the trend.
>And yet things continue to get even more expensive
Yes. Because of inflation but the growth of cost is declining.
>massive fuel price spikes
Nothing compared to Biden.

>>1535728
Yes. But the situation has improved, dramatically, under Trump. There is no switch you can flick, these are trends and change is gradual. You're entire argument is
>Biden fucked everything up
>And this is Trump's fault.

Dollar got nuked under Biden. Prices exploded under Biden. Both are improving, consistently, under Trump. That's based on the data. Not vibes, not feelings, not essays.

>>1535732
>blaming Biden for the effects of a global pandemic is akin to trying to connect damage from an earthquake to economic policy.
I'm not blaming Biden for COVID. I'm blaming Biden for retarded policy that devalued the dollar and drove prices through the roof.
>managed to narrowly dodge a recession and things were improving until Trump came in.
Insane statement. Absolutely insane.

>>1535733
>Wages are still decreasing under Trump
>Inflation is worse under Trump
>Fuel prices are worse under Trump
Well, you convinced me to not to vote Republican for a reason that isn't related to them supporting pedophiles

>>1535733
anon, diesel is at its highest price ever. that means higher than under biden

>>1535734
>Insane statement. Absolutely insane.
i think you forgot to insert your insane statement, you just left the placeholder

>>1535733
>That's based on the data. Not vibes, not feelings, not essays.
Meanwhile in reality my paycheck objectively can buy less at the store than it could under Biden. Keep citing data (that I wouldn't fully trust anyway considering it's being sourced entirely by Trump cronies at this point), I'll keep pointing out that people can't afford as much as they could before.

>>1535735
>>Wages are still decreasing under Trump
It's improved from -1.4% to 0.3%. do you not understand numbers? Can you not graph things in your mind?
>>Inflation is worse under Trump
CPI inflation Biden: 4.9%
CPI inflation Trump: 1.9%
>Fuel prices are worse under Trump
Average fuel price Biden: $3.45*
Average fuel price Trump: $2.48*
*Measure of the price of gas itself excluding taxes and levies.

At this point I'm going to assume you're trolling and just get back to work.

>>1535733
>Real hourly wages have fallen 0.3% which is up from the decline 1.4% under Biden. Extrapolate the trend.
Again, you're ignoring COVID effects and lumping it in with Biden policy. People were paid a lot less when they couldn't go into work due to a pandemic you retard.

>Dollar got nuked under Biden.
Literally almost half of that devaluation (the 25% number you cited before) happened under Trump in the last year.

>>1535739
>Meanwhile in reality my paycheck objectively can buy less at the store than it could under Biden
Declined more under Biden than Trump.

>>1535740
And once again, you bring up averages that don't address the massive spike from COVID in all three of those measures. You're insisting the arctic is warm because the average evened out to about 40 degrees after your station caught on fire.

Also objectively gas is at the highest its ever been right now under Trump, so the average means even less because it includes Biden's lowest but not the spike Trump directly caused with Iran.

>>1535743
Funny because I can afford less now than i could under Biden. Insisting "well it isn't quite as bad as peak COVID" doesn't really change anything. Biden has a pandemic, Trump just has his own stupidity.

>>1535741
>you're ignoring COVID effects and lumping it in with Biden policy
But you're doing the same thing now.
>Literally almost half of that devaluation (the 25% number you cited before) happened under Trump in the last year
Nope. Peak inflation was 9.1% in 2022. Halfway into the Biden admin. Inflation on inauguration day, when Biden took control was 1.4%.

>nooo, just embrace my unsourced lies that it was Biden
>I can't actually provide proof, just accept my schizo chat gpt numbers
>please saaaar, please, I need election money to support my village

>>1535746
>because I can afford less now than i could under Biden
And you could afford faaar les under Biden than you could under Trump 1.0

>>1535747
>Nope. Peak inflation was 9.1% in 2022. Halfway into the Biden admin. Inflation on inauguration day, when Biden took control was 1.4%.
Anon this isn't addressing the dollar devaluation or the fact we lost 10% valuation under Trump. Are you broken?

1535749
>you could afford faaar les under Biden
esl desperation

>>1535749
considering trump added 40% of the national debt under his first term, that's quite a self own

>>1535750
>Anon this isn't addressing the dollar devaluation or the fact we lost 10% valuation under Trump. Are you broken
Most retarded statement ever.

>>1535752
Not really related to what we're talking about but sure, I can play this game. Biden added 30% and Obama added 87%.

member when Biden increased the price of all goods by 166 billion dollars and gave that money back to the businesses? nope, that was Trump
member when Biden started an illegal war and wasted a trillion dollars losing to Iran? nope, that was Trump
member when Biden covered up a billionaire pedophile ring and refused to prosecute anyone who raped kids? nope, that was Trump

>>1535753
>trump's economic policies are unrelated to the economy
see why nobody takes you seriously in this thread about trump promising everyone 5,000 dollars

>>1535755
>member when Biden covered up a billionaire pedophile ring
I do. He and Congressional Democrats sat on the Epstein files his whole term, and it was Trump and Congressional Republicans who released them.

welp, the shill is defending pedophiles again. time to head out

>>1535761
>the shill is defending pedophiles again
I also can't believe people defend Biden and his refusal to release the files. But we must be tough and fight the good fight.

>>1535762
before i depart, i just want to express my disappointment in you. your mother is ashamed

>>1535763
I accept your concession. Have a nice day.

>>1535759
>>1535762
Reminder the files were still sealed because of Maxwell's case during Biden's term.

>>1535765
esl shill knows
esl shill thinks biden shit their pants last night

>>1535765
And it was Democrats who went to court to get it unsealed right? Oh, yeah, it was Republicans.

>>1535767
Actually it was one Republican backed up by the entire Democrat party. Republicans, in response, then slandered him, called him a traitor, then voted him out and have been apparently been keeping Mitch McConnel's lifeless body on life support just to stop him from potentially being able to return.

>>1535768
Trump spent over a million FBI man hours trying to remove himself from the Epstein files
Everyone knows he fucked kids. MIGA just thinks kids deserve to be raped

>>1535769
oh and don't forget the disclosure violated so much of the law to disclose them they're trying to pass a second round because they covered up names they shouldn't have.

>>1535770
but have you considered cherry picked data that implies Biden was worse at financial recovery than Trump, even though its objectively true we're worse under Trumps administration than we were under Biden?

>>1535771
Have you considered seeking help for your drug and/or alcohol additction?

>Democrats winning elections since late 2025
>Republicans Against Trump still active after 2020
A massive backlash by Republican voters after late 2025, then early November 2026 making miggers with Democrat Derangement Syndrome seethe, you lose 1535690 lol.

>>1535771
>objectively true we're worse under Trumps administration than we were under Biden?
Sure, if you totally ignore any and all data.

>>1535790
Again, go to a store or gas station and try to argue we're better off.

>Can I provide the data backing up my foreign shill points?
>no, just ignore that you're worse off under Trump

>>1535793
>Average fuel price Biden: $3.45*
Average fuel price Trump: $2.48*
>*Measure of the price of gas itself excluding taxes and levies.

>>1535793
I did yesterday. Unlike in 2022, the prices were the same as last week.

>>1535796
>I did yesterday. Unlike in 2022, the prices were the same as last week.
And how were they compared to 2024 anon?

>>1535795
>Gas hitting records high, Diesel literally highest ever
>"but have you considered comparing the average price two years into an admin to the average price from a four year admin?"

>>15357 90
>>1535793

Shill means if I ignore the data manufactured by a compromised Bureau of Labor Statistics. But I won’t do that as the real inflation means I’m affording far less under the current administration than ever in my lifetime to the fault of people in charge.

>>1535798
>Have you considered the data
>No, I run on vibes.

>>1535797
Pretty much unchanged since about 2023.
Because one again, ALL THE FUCKING INSANE hyper inflation was in 2022.

>>1535804
Ooooh. Sorry, that's wrong.
>https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/food-price-outlook/summary-findings

>>1535802
>B-but the Data!
you're literally trying to compare average prices because comparing the prices from the end of Biden's admin to the current prices would show a massive increase.

>>1535808
>Okay gas was more expensive under Biden but that's inconvenient for my argument so I am going to attach artificial constraints
The problem here is that your obsessed with Trump, and thus must reject reality.

>>1535807
What's wrong?

You linked an article without saying what in the article you're referring to.

>>1535810
Was gas more expensive at the end of Biden's term than it is now, yes or no?

>1535813
>prices were unchanged since 2023

>>1535814
>Obey my artificial constraints!
"No"

>>1535817
It's not an artificial constraint, this is actual numbers instead of whole admin time averages. When Biden left office, average gas was around $3 and dropping. What price is it now anon?

>>1535814
According to the data they were more expensive than the middle when we came out of quarantine.

It was because of this increased demand in early 2022 that prices surged and then they came back to normal.

https://www.dallasfed.org/research/economics/2022/0621


Do we know the reason gas prices have increased these past couple months?

>>1535820
>No please ignore the average price! That defeats my argument! Focus only on this one arbitrary period of time!

>>1535824
> was because of this increased demand in early 2022 that prices surged and then they came back to normal
If that's all it was no one would be angry at Biden. Problem is he pushed a whole bunch of policy that made the O&G industry and market freak the fuck out.

>>1535827
>Problem is he pushed a whole bunch of policy that made the O&G industry and market freak the fuck out.
really?

>>1535226
Damn anon, you really pissed them off. Good job.

>>1535328
California paying homeless to vote.

>>1535827
>Focus only on this one arbitrary period of time!
That "arbitrary period of time" is the present, retard. Are the gas prices right now higher or lower than they were when Biden left office?

1535832
>replies to self
>unsourced schizophrenic delusions
prime esl shill posts

>>1535830
>really
Really.

In 2021 he paused drilling/leasing on federal land (prices went up in 2022 right?)

He killed the Keystone Pipeline in 2021 (I wonder if that had an effect in 2022?)

He increased royalty rates for drilling on federal land by 8%

And pushed through a bunch of regs that made O&G exploration, extraction and refining faaar more expensive.

>>1535833
>Are the gas prices right now higher or lower than they were when Biden left office?
They are lower than Bidens average.

>>1535836
because absolutely nothing else could've affected prices in 2022.

Also, retard, prices hit their peak in 2022 and then were coming down by the end of that year. By your logic they should've kept going up. This also ignores the fact prices were rising since the end of 2020. Why could that be?

>>1535836
Oh, so nothing that did the things you claim.
Thanks for debunking yourself, schizo

>>1535837
That's not what I asked anon. Are they higher or lower than they were than Biden's final result?

>>1535840
>>noooooo, you can't ask legitimate followup questions
>>you gotta accept my cherrypicked data that shows Biden was slightly worse than Trumps current shitshow to validate my MIGA retardation

>>1535836
Correct. Don't forget banning development in Alaska, joining the Paris accords, halting new leases on public land, etc.

>>1535838
>because absolutely nothing else could've affected prices in 2022.
Maybe trying to tear down our oil production in the middle of a pandemic was a bad idea?

>Also, retard, prices hit their peak in 2022 and then were coming down by the end of that year.
Yes, because - and let me get my notes here...
>realized he fucked up, begs OPEC for more oil, they laugh at him, goes back to oil companies he promised to get rid of and begs them to produce now that gas is $5+ a gallon in exchange for walking back some of his EOs
This is where we got that meme of "oh were producing more oil than ever before"

>>1535842
>Biden was slightly worse
Highest gas price under Biden was $5/gal, Trump's high is $4.50/gal

>>1535847
Highest diesel price in history (and still rising) is under Trump. And trump's fault, because of a war he lied about not starting.

>>1535847
What was Biden's final gas prices when he left office anon, and what are Trump's now?

>>1535851
Okay, and?

>>1535852
Higher than that specific date, but lower on average and never as high as the high under Biden.

>>1535845
>Maybe trying to tear down our oil production in the middle of a pandemic was a bad idea?
Why did oil prices spike for the rest of the world then?

>in exchange for walking back some of his EOs
Which ones did he walk back anon?

>>1535853
>Higher than that specific date, but lower on average and never as high as the high under Biden.
Oh wow so you're admitting Trump has increased gas prices since coming into office. Thank you.

>b-but they went down before they went up!
Then we shouldn't hold Biden by his highest now, should we?

>>1535853
And you've been exposed as a lying faggot for the 100,000th time

>>1535855
>Oh wow so you're admitting Trump has increased gas prices since coming into office
I don't think anyone ever argued otherwise.

>Then we shouldn't hold Biden by his highest now
We should hold him to his average.

>>1535857
What lie?

>>1535859
What did your mother do to deserve you

>>1535858
>I don't think anyone ever argued otherwise.
you went an awfully long way to not admit it.

>We should hold him to his average.
Why? Especially with COVID fucking up that statistic. Why should I not directly compare how the prices were when Biden left office to how they are right now?

>>1535862
>Why should I not directly compare how the prices were when Biden left office to how they are right now?
Biden screwed with oil prices because he was trying to follow the Green New Deal.
Trump was tricked into bombing Iran by the zionist lobby in America.
Biden knew what he was doing and acted out of maliciousness. Trump is just a boomer who got propagandized (many such cases).
Dems have never dropped the 'let's trash every combustion engine in America to save the planet' insanity. At least republicans are waking up to Israeli influence in America.

>>1535865
>Ok fine Trump did do this, but it's really not his fault. He was tricked into it. It's not even that bad.

>>1535866
shills enjoy their humiliation ritual.