AI, give me a rundown on USA manufacturing and compare

Not new. But new at that scale.
>what do we think
I dont think about it

I think it's irrelevant. Minimum order quality of 10, it takes 3+ months to get to the US, then you're either going to have to buy a donor car to swap everything over or go full custom and bolt up everything you want all to have an old car that doesn't perform as well as a modern econobox.
>But it looks just like the real thing from 1968!
Uh huh, it'd be cheaper and faster to just buy a restored one.

I watched some video of some fuckwits who bought the AE86 chassis and apparently it had some fitment and quality issues, but was better than nothing for some track car.
I'm not against it, especially if you have a good everything else except the chassis, which is typical for old jap cars like the S30 and corollas, with rust having eaten away like 80% of the car by now

pretty sure these are fake and in the case of the toyota and the nissan its just new panels on a salvaged floor they arent mass producing them like with that escort shell

The chinks scanned an AE86 and started selling the bodies, what they didn't know was a previous owner did modifications so when you get the 86 there are extra holes and cut bits of metal

>>28959462
that one was a SEMA show car that was rushed, the chinks say the new ones are MUCH better

they actually started out making broncos and land rovers

and are planning to do old porches which will absolutely fuck with boomers

and maybe I will be able to own a 240z

>>28959460
someone could take the risk and just resell those parts here. minimum order quantity would not matter to them if they are a reseller. could even get a discount for buying a lot of parts from them.
>>28959462
that is also cool since most oem parts from jap cars are made out of glass if you want to build a track car out of them but you can get stronger aftermarket parts but not a new body for them. those shells are perfect for those type of projects where it doesn't matter that the interior is not there.
>>28959465
>>28959468
so you didn't watch the video...

>>28959469
>and are planning to do old porches which will absolutely fuck with boomers
i'd love to see that

>they even galvanize the body parts
literally better than factory oem parts...

>>28959441
Cool, what's the legality of this anyway?

>>28959483
This. Why are there so many retards in this thread? You know these parts could be used for restoration projects too, right?

>>28959489
that is how they started. they built parts for the land rover defender until they basically had a full shell to sell.
https://youtu.be/cBBZrjwqWZc?t=1345

>>28959441
Do they sell the parts individually? This would be cool if I was an AE86 owner in need of a new fender or something. Not worth 10 grand for a whole shell though, the labor alone putting everything in it is an overwhelming task.

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>>28959492
They sell pretty much every part of the car on their website was it.
Shame they don't make parts for any good cars.

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>>28959492
some cars have more parts for sale than others it looks like
>>28959498
they make parts for cars that people want to buy parts for...

>>28959500
Yeah I get that, yet not a single good car.

>>28959501
what should they be making and why doesn't anyone want parts for those cars according to you? the defender community got this whole operation started over there after all. are they really the only ones that care about their cars?

>>28959502
>what should they be making
Parts for good cars
>and why doesn't anyone want parts for those cars according to you?
They do and they make them, just not this company and not whole bodies.

>>28959441
Sweet shop

>>28959471
>someone could take the risk and just resell those parts here.
Oh boy, can't wait to pay even more for chinesium car shells! $15k for the shell, $5k for a donor car, $15k in repro parts, all to have a $20k shitbox!

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>>28959531
>>28959497
>>28959500

lol there's been boomer shit re-pro bodies and parts for decades, this is just different models. also unlicensed reproduction, so Toyota, Nissan, Ford, etc. could block these.

>>28959549
How could they block these? They aren't branded parts or whole cars, and these are designs old enough for any patents to have expired.

>>28959551
They can't block them because China doesn't give a fuck, but your reasoning is 15 year old tier.

>>28959487
Components are out of production for over 25 years so are considered defunct and not protected under copyright.
However the name is still protected so you cant legally sell it as an AE86 or 240Z.

>>28959553
>Components are out of production for over 25 years so are considered defunct and not protected under copyright.
I'm sorry but this is just nonsense.

>>28959555
does it say toyota on every panel?

>>28959557
What the fuck are you even babbling about? You have to be 18 to post, thanks.

>>28959558
>no arguments
>no understanding of IP
sasuga retard

>>28959441
>will this reshape the car industry
absolutely not
>the frames, while they externally look good, they're not perfect to the original as you'd expect them to be
>it's already hard enough to restore an existing car
>now imagine building a car like you're in a factory in your garage
this is really only a big deal for people who are big time car restorers or project builders, definitely not for a typical enthusiast

>>28959555
Patents, copyrights and trademarks cover different aspects of (thing).
Even nameplates can be reused if not on a current platform after 25 years (thus why Ford used "Maverick" for the truck and also used "Cougar" for that rebadged pos 25 years ago).
There are different time limits for all of them. When they expire they become public domain.
Which is also why anybody can record and sell copies of Bing Crosbys "White Christmas".
Mickey Mouse is a crazy example of how copyrights have been extended (illegally) multiple times beyond what comtemporaries were allowed. Steam Boat Willie (first "Mickey Mouse" cartoon) just failed to be renewed and is now public domain.

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>can buy a brand new shell
>/o/ whinges

>>28959733
Notice how they're only crying about the price. This board is full of poorfags.

>>28959909
I didn't notice any complaints about the prices, more about quality and MUH CHINA

>>28959910
quality seems good enough, good enough for six figure restomods at least
the China thing can be easily solved by slapping on some American importer's brand, probably what they already do, easy enough for people to ignore how the sausage is made

There should be efforts to do this with as many cars as possible, and to do the manufacturing domestically.

>>28959951
That's environmentally unsound, you should scrap your car and buy a new one

>>28959441
Seen youtubers or other big shots try this out, and it mostly worked. Haven't heard much from someone who tried to use them as kit cars, which sounds like the most promising option, and will reveal any real issues with these.
Still concerned about where you get the plastics, bulbs, and suspension parts if this works

>>28959970
kill

>>28959569
>absolutely not
>>the frames, while they externally look good, they're not perfect to the original as you'd expect them to be
>>it's already hard enough to restore an existing car
>>now imagine building a car like you're in a factory in your garage

lol you retards dont know anything about restoring cars or working on them in general

a full on body, even with minor mismatches is 100x easier than restoring some rusted out original

>>28959441
>what are we thinking?
Don't care because they will only make parts for gay hero cars instead of cars I care about.

>>28959469
>chinks say
is worth as much as
>snowniggers say

>>28959970
you should eat my whole entire ass
the future of automotive enthusiasm is kit cars of all the greatest cars/platforms
the more people get on board with the idea, the more cars can be preserved
its the only way any of this survives the transition to the EVs and ultimate cuckmobiles of the future

>>28959505
>Parts for good cars
Like what?

>>28960318
his tesla model faggot

If they started making S-chassis and E36 shells for driftfags, they would make a bank

>>28960327
>E36
only if the reinforce the rear from the factory

>>28960339
It's a shell, you can reinforce it yourself if you wish to easily

>>28960342
might as well just make it part of the shell if they are going to get used for drifting
would give people even more of a reason to just buy those instead
not like they can't do it. they just have to tweak their moldings a bit. they are very flexible if i look at the video. they might as well extract as much value as they can from those shells.

>>28959970
I will buy a new one, effectively
New body in white from China, new crate engine from Toyota, new suspension parts and drivetrain from third parties, everything will be brand new, it just won't be an electric cuckbox like [they] want me to own

>>28959468
They had multiple 86's apparently, one for scans and one for fitment quality checks

>>28959909
What else are people supposed to cry about? The quality based on like 3 youtubers who admitted they're not perfect shells but still capable of completing a finished car (for $35,000). How about the time needed just to hope BingBong actually ships it to you? I've seen several videos of people ordering motorcycles, boats, tractors, what the fuck ever chinesium shit and it took MONTHS to get to them?

Aside from time, money, and quality, what else is there to complain about? It not coming with that one half model year feature nobody but some decrepit boomer cares about?

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>>28959441
>what are we thinking?
Nipponbros have been complacent for so long- they forgot what made their machines so good. They thought they could just ignore their classic machines when they knew there is a massive following for them. They let the Chinese catch up now because its been several decades. It terrified the Nippons so much, they are starting their own retro reproduction programs. Tom's Toyota for instance, will start producing new engine blocks and body panels/whole chassis. They also revived AE86 retro program so you can purchase new old parts like interior pieces, etc.

>>28960501
Wouldn't be surprised if they found out about the Chinese manufacturing and just contracted them for these.

>>28960501
Hnnnnnng can I get an N2 spec 86 with a Formula Atlantic 4AGE?

>>28959471
No I didn't watch a video posted in 4chan, I watched other videos that are not cherry picked, and of the many I have seen they all reference it. But as you have brought it up, it must be the only video where they say something like how it is exactly factory OEM? Don't fall for it.

>>28959460
>just buy a restored one.
Where do you think they get the restoration parts from?

>>28959733
It's all meme shit that I dont want

>>28960603
Sorry, no one cares about some French commuter car from 1982 to make a new shell for it

>>28960603
>I dont want
then why the fuck are you here in this thread then? Attention deficient creep.
>>28960554
>Chinese manufacturing and just contracted them
they are far too prideful and protective of their IP. They would never. Video related:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYDIGx0Kw_U

>>28960724
>too prideful and protective of their IP
lmao. considering how many designs they stole from the germans.

>>28960727
>from the germans
*Italians. They've always wanted to make Ferrari feeling and tech available for the masses. They are one of the first manufacturers to incorporate independent arm link suspension for their basic cars- which put them ahead of their time. Every other car manufacturer were doing solid axle bullshit with boring slow-response engines. You can give Italians for their rev-happy and great-handling machines. Only later in the 1990s did they start using German Bosch stuff for their computer controls

>>28960733
>variable torque split awd (porsche 959 nissan skyline gt-r)
>sequential twin-turbocharging (porsche 959 mazda rx-7 & toyota supra)
>rear transaxle layout (porsche 944/928 nissan gt-r r35)
>laser-welded crumple zones (mercedes-benz s-class lexus ls400)
>multi-link rear suspension (mercedes-benz 190e nissan & toyota)
>independent semi-trailing arm suspension (bmw 2002 datsun 510)
>flat-six engine development (porsche 911 subaru svx)
>hydraulic active suspension (mercedes-benz/bosch infiniti q45)
>electronic throttle control / drive-by-wire (bmw m70 v12 toyota 1g-fe / lexus)
>five-valve-per-cylinder cylinder heads (audi/vw toyota & yamaha)
>the sport-luxury sedan blueprint (bmw 3-series lexus is300 / toyota altezza)

>>28959441
I think this is fucking great, I dream of building a little electric grocery getter in an old chassis

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>>28960753
>variable torque split awd
ok, you got me on that one, but they had one too: Ferrari FF (2011). Japs were mostly inspired by Audi Quattro in the 80s.
>sequential twin-turbocharging
Ferrari 288 GTO (1984)
>rear transaxle layout
brother the Ferrari Testarossa (1984)
>laser-welded crumple zones
advanced for the time Ferrari 456 GT (1992)
>multi-link rear suspension
Ferrari 456 GT (1992) and mostly all of them
>independent semi-trailing arm suspension Japan knew about this even before WW2 for their trucks, Ferrari 308 GTB (1975)
>flat-six engine development
okay you got me here too, but Japan really only made it with Subaru
>hydraulic active suspension
they had it too with Ferrari 456 GTA (1992)
>electronic throttle control / drive-by-wire Ferrari 360 Modena (1999) had it
>five-valve-per-cylinder cylinder heads
Ferrari F355 (1994)
>the sport-luxury sedan blueprint
had a concept that was Lexus RCF, Ferrari 612 Scaglietti (2004)

but my point was the engine feel and look of the roaring Ferrari. The circuit-track inspired handling and driving. The engine tech. Manual transmissions. When it came to 1980-1990s era Japan sporty cars. They competed against them in JGTC and they couldnt be caught last. They wanted to prove to the world you didnt have to pay a premium to enjoy the same tech in German and Italian machines.

>>28961041
just look at the release dates of those german cars and compare them to the japanese cars. they are in lock step with each other. the japs didn't care about ferrari else they would have beaten the germans to it at least a few times. the german designs were actually proven and mass-produced and affordable to normal people. they were the direct competition to japanese cars all over the world and in japan. the german and japanese cars actually filled almost always the same spot even.

>>28959489
americans feel very threatened by chinks.

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Now we just need the body-specific glass, rubber seals, plastic moldings...

Are we really going pretend a painted body is a car. MAYBE you can adapt an available running gear to a body but how the fuck are you supposed to get the rest of it.

>>28961429
Its for people who total their chassis and want to swap everything over, or for people who begin to start "patching up some rust" then realise its more rust than metal under the 40 odd years of body filler.

>>28959441
some youtube bought an 86 shell and said almost nothing fits correctly

if we didn't have collision safety standards manufacturers could have been doing this and making new cars for years.

>>28961465
>>28959469

>>28961436
or for people who want to build a track or drift car.

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Everything you need to know.

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>>28961550
>chinese english translations strike again

>>28959441
Thanks chang, you're a real nigga some days
Just make everything else, assemble it, and start selling these as "kit cars" to be assembled with all parts save for the mirrors attached, send them to a not-a-car-dealer stateside, and have the stateside reseller sell them as x brand y model replicas. They'd be street legal because they're "kit cars" and could be sold for the same price as a regular modern car while maintaining ~western oem quality thanks to their simplicity taking up the manufacturing slack.

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https://www.theautopian.com/tag/ebay-jeep/
This guy has put together a WW2 Jeep from 95% brand new parts off ebay (the axles are rebuilt originals IIRC)
He doesn't recommend following that route, it's much cheaper and less work (mostly logistics) to go the usual route and restore an old example. Even if it's so rotten you need a replacement frame and body

So if you're really tempted by that brand new 240Z shell better start looking for a crusty example first

When I was laying in bed recently, I had a thought that we should start scanning as many car (and more) parts as possible and make some kind of a library for those CAD files.

>>28962223
We still have factory complete model Ts and the last one rolled off the assembly line 99 years ago.
Anything thats worth a shit will still be around and can be scanned when youre in a bix 6 feet under and skynet has automated all life on earth.

>>28960251
Then start caring about good cars buster

>>28962506
>good cars
I bet your "good cars" are gay and retarded

>>28959441
That's nice and all but it's chink steel. It's probably the cheapest alloy they can find as thin as they can get it to maintain its shape when put in the box.

>>28961550
If you weren't an npc you'd realize that this meant "If products have no quality then we have no dignitiy"

>>28962617
Still better than 80s japscrap metal that had the rigidity of wet cardboard and started rustig on the factory floor

>>28962591
What are your good cars?

>>28962637
Honestly this and this is also the greatest benefit of these shells along with what rhis anon said>>28962062
You have a rotted to shit donor with a few good parts, this is the best way to go after all.

I just finished welding up my project shitbox and after all was aaid and done, I realised that the dude selling factory new shells for like 500 euros would've been the smart choice both financially and effort wise.
The parts I replaced will hold up, rest of the frame is still 80s scrap so a brand new .
Chinese metallurgy has come a long way since the days of smelting farm equipment for iron, even if they did suck, it's still better than whatever was left of a rotten chassis.

>>28962617
the ae86 firewall bends if you step on the brake too hard...
it can't be worse than that