Are we at the point now where an EV is the superior choice for a non-enthusiast driver? You don't pay for gas, there is less that can break so they're more reliable, better for the environment, and quieter.
>>28961131>better for the environmentsaving old cars and maintaining them is far superior.
>>28961131Only a retard would buy a EV. They depreciate insanely quickly and there will always be a potential pack failure. So if were looking at a leased ICE vs a leased EV there is still no point in going for the EV. The ICE will always be cheaper to lease. There is also zero maintenance on a leased ICE.
>>28961131>better for the environment>One produces CO2 that maybe takes us a little out of the coldest time in the last 400 million years not seen since the glaciation from trees evolving OR the horrific ecological destruction of tropical cobalt, copper and rare earth mines.>Plus, the electricity isn't from clean sources, anyway. It's just offloading to a middleman like buying a butchered steak in the store.Hmmm.You are right about some people (women) preferring to not have to worry about maintenance of any kind, and women drive all the purchase economy in general, so probably EV's will become more popular.
Hybrid is actually the best daily driver option right now.Not sure why anyone would want an EV after covid, they can just turn the power off and you can't go anywhere .
>>28961131>Are we at the point now where an EV is the superior choice for a non-enthusiast driver? Only if you buy second-hand. Thanks to massive depreciation, 5 year old electric cars are strongly discounted compared to their ICE counterparts. >>28961139>they can just turn the power off and you can't go anywhere. Every car with an engine computer and a transceiver can do that.
8 years ago I bought a used Honda accord with or $10000 while my boss bought a 2018 model 3 for like $50000 maplebux or whatever they were8 years present the accord has over 300k on it and has had nothing but basic maintenance. I've probably spent $5000 per year on gas, delivering pizza.I don't know how much my boss spent on charging, but basically I broke even with him even spending $40000 on gas across 8 years. His model 3 he has range anxiety in winter and they've run into issues where "shit we forgot to plug it in at home last night" too many times. He is itching to get rid of the model 3 but is frustrated by it's lack of value and it needing work (apparently plastic tie rods or some shit that break on all of them). But the funniest part of all of it is that the $10k accord is worth about $6k now while his model 3 is worth about $17k.>>28961142On my ford there's a 5G modem but I can literally just unplug it or pull the fuse
>>28961150>8 years ago >Shitsla Yeah, tracks. Pre-2022 Tesla were utter garbage. They're still garbage, but for different reasons.
>>28961131Possibly if you are only buying a brand new car, don't care about depreciation, and are planning on keeping it for a long time. New ICE cars are pretty shit and I don't think a lot of them will be great outside of warranty. There's less to go wrong with an EV. Battery degradation is the main thing. But used jap ICE cars that are older but not too old with proven reliability which have already depreciated and which aren't likely to depreciate much more are always the move from a cost, reliability and environmental standpoint.
>>28961139It's much easier for the government to stop the sale of fuel than to shut down the electric grid.And no one knows what you're using the electricity for.
>>28961160>And no one knows what you're using the electricity for.oh they definitely know
>>28961191They can guess.But my EV and my sauna have almost the same power consumption.
>>28961207Look up what a power factor is. They know.
>>28961208I know what a power factor is.There's so much blind power in residential Installations that it's hard to determine what's going on. It would be much easier to shut it down through the cars online functionality, but that's a "feature" that all nucars have - unfortunately.
>>28961216All the blind power is going to be LED lighting and low power draw electronics. They sure as hell know when you plug your EV in. A lot of power companies currently have the ability to remotely shut off your water heater without your permission. You're delusional if you think they won't do the same with EV's. It will be mandatory with a 100% EV adoption rate because there would be no non peak usage times.
>EV, solar panels, wall mounted batteriesCongratulations, you're now 100% disconnected from the grid.
>>28961228For 10 years until the battery is fucked up. You could also just use a gas generator too...At least with a hybrid you can reap the massive benefits from a small battery but otherwise still get great range when the battery is 10 years old. And the battery is small enough that it can be pulled from totaled vehicles to use in others.
>>28961160>And no one knows what you're using the electricity for.they'll definitely investigate though. weed growers get caught this way all the time
>>28961236Batteries won't be bricked in 10 years, and if you're a prepper you can just buy a stack of extra replacement batteries.>gas generator Unless you have your own oil refinery in your backyard you're still highly dependent on the grid.
>>28961131I'm not sure we are there quite yet, but we will be by the end of the decade. Once an affordable EV can get 450+ miles on a single charge then it's basically game over for internal combustion engine vehicles for normies. Especially if you own your own home and can easily charge it in your garage, there's no objective benefit to owning a gasoline powered car instead
>>28961292>Especially if you own your own home and can easily charge itI wonder how much EVs are being held back by people not having a place to charge them. You basically need to be a homeowner to own an EV in the US.
>>28961345It's the main reason why I have no real desire to get one. I used to be against EVs because I loved going on road trips, but for whatever reason, now that I'm in my mid 30s instead of my 20s, I just don't travel as much and when I do I'm usually going longer distances via plane rather than 200-600 miles via car. I still like road trips, they just went from being something I did a few times per year, to something I do once every couple years really. And now that I'm older and the people I would do a road trip with usually have a better car than I do, I really have no need for a long range vehicle. If I could charge an EV at home I'd gladly get one, I just can't easily do that, and I don't want to drive an EV to a charging station and sit there for an hour, seems ridiculous
>>28961253>wont beThe natural degradation rate of the best stored lithium batteries is about 0.5-0.75% per year but these arent best stored its in a car that sits in freezing or 100F temps. 10 years in and, along with the aging from use, you're going to see 90+% of car batteries giving 70% or less the range they used to.Also you cant just store batteries and forget them forever. Needs to be checked at least twice a year and kept at the nominal chemistry voltage plus or minus 5%. Not really different from sealed lead acids in that regard.
>>28961410Not everyone lives in places with such wild temperature swings and even if they do you can climate control your garage like you do with the rest of your house.
>>28961345>I wonder how much EVs are being held back by people not having a place to charge themI think it’s a huge problem. The people who would benefit most from an EV are urbanites. They drive 10 miles a day, don’t road trip, and have to breathe the fumes from 100,000 gasoline engines on a daily basis. but they also only have street parking often so how could they own one.
>>28961160>government to stop the sale of fuelshoot a couple police officers in the back of the head at the point the tyranny gets this far.
>>28961207Lol.Every EV is pinging off cell towers every time its turned on or plugged in or the damn seat is adjusted.You could drive it to the middle of desert and plug it into a generator and (((they))) will know its being charged.Any and all EVs can be bricked with a couple taps of a keyboard (which also goes for any ICE vehicle made in the last decade or so).
>>28961483Your last sentence is correct.That's a nucar problem, not an EV problem.
>>28961131An EV is the ideal commuter vehicle for a multicar household that has access to overnight charging. This means they could replace about 40% of New Car Sales.High spec EVs like the GM Ultium platform EVs and the VW J1 cars and the higher spec Teslas are even suitable for one car households in most places these days.
>>28961133That's proven false. An ICEV pollutes more in 10,000 miles than the total pollution from the manufacturing of a BEV and then driving it 10,000 miles.There's also the fact 70 million new ICEVs are purchased every year. We're talking about changing those to BEV.
i stopped even considering electrified cars after seeing EMF readings out of them, and hybrids aren't even that much better. A well designed and tuned petrol engine can be super efficient and not roast you with goy-melt laser 9000.
>>28961601>We're talking about changing those to BEV.You don't say.The only things that have worked are government interventions. That's it. You want taxpayers to pay so that new car buyers can pay just to have a product that you approve of. Just because you think that gas cars are the cause of all evils.
>>28961661Like how by the graces of the Iranian government you're allowed to have cheap gas, and at any moment they can turn that off?
>>28961481The point isn't whether they'll do it (they won't intentionally shut down the electric grid either, as it will lead to the greatest nigging of all times), but they can.Just prevent fuel trucks from leaving the refinery. There is no easy, "underground" way to produce oil or fuel - it's an industrial scale process.
>>28961131>no time wasted at gas stations >no time wasted for oil changes >no time wasted for smog checks >no time wasted on maintenance yeah I'm thinking EVs are the right choice. I'm not convinced by the depreciation argument, if your plan is to drive your car into the ground then it doesn't matter. also if we're comparing to modern japanese cars, they're mostly turbo engines, and those extra rubber components and seals will fail after 10 years, I wouldn't trust them. these aren't the same naturally aspirated 4 cylinder under-stressed engines from the 80s that last forever.
ICEVs are dead.
>>28961712How compelling, let me give up my manual rwd sportscar to buy your boring ass surveillance product because an apocalypse could happen. Why didn't I think of that? Same reason I don't have a stockpile of food and medicine.Also, they could disconnect parts of the grid without needing to shut down power plants. You're thinking solar already, I can hear it. I don't want a $30k charging setup to buy a $40k appliance just to replace the thing I enjoy most.
>>28961864None of those things are special to EVs. All those are in ICEVs.
>>28961871True now, but because EVs came out when they did all EVs have surveillance stuff.That's not what's important, what's important is me having an engine, manual gears, wishbones all around, and a differential that can actually send torque to tires with grip without gimping my inputs or braking certain wheels. My car weighs half of a model Y.I like driving. I like engines. I don't like authoritarianism. I don't want to ban EVs, I want to ban people who want to tell others how to live from this country.
>>28961159>Possibly if you are only buying a brand new car, don't care about depreciation, and are planning on keeping it for a long time.This right here is the selling point. In the context of /o/ enthusiasts an EV is the perfect daily while you drive your project car sparingly. A lot of people who "dont get EVs" are the types who get a new car every three years which is dumb boomer thinking. My EV has two years till its paid off and all I have had to replace are the tires and windshield whipers once. My car payment is far less cheaper than what I was paying JUST for gas for my old beater which also had constant maintenance. I dont have range anxiety about gas or something breaking anymore and just charge at home. If I need to charge away from home it costs $12 to supercharge from zero to full in a few minutes.
>>28961893So far not a single country has banned ICEVs. Everyone is just naturally switching.
>>28961894>In the context of /o/ enthusiasts an EV is the perfect daily while you drive your project car sparinglyWhat kind of bullshit is that?"I want to have a fun car but never for when I'm actually driving."I would just get two fun cars instead of an EV. Commuting is where the fun is.
>>28961345>>28961354I charge at home but given the choice of:>Spend five minutes and $12 to supercharge every other day>Spend five minutes and $60+ to fill gas every other dayI would pick the former anytime. Superchargers are everywhere now and any EV can use them so its not the logistical problem it used to be. Now that EVs have been around and there are used ones on the market for cheap it makes even more sense for people on a budget in apartments.
>>28961131>better for the environment
>>28961895You are so full of shit. I've already explained that most of the world has used tax incentives. Everywhere where EVs take off, you can clearly see that there was some sort of government intervention. In Norway an ICE car is taxed over 100%, sometimes 150% the (already inflated) price of the car. Then you have to pay all sorts of yearly emissions stuff.When you make a 1.6L coupe cost $80k and a Tesla $30k, that's a ban, baby.
>>28961131The average shitbox feels so bad to drive that yeah probably.T. had to drive my parents shitbox back from the mechanics and ai suddenly remembered why the roads are clogged with people who hate driving and are going 10 below the speed limit.
>>28961919If you count tax incentives to switch to EVs, you have to also include incentives to stick to ICEVs.>trillions of dollars in oil wars in 21st century alone>government properties given away to oil drillers>cash for clunkers>strategic oil reserve>tax deductions on oil revenuesThese are far greater than a little coupon code for EVs. ICEVs are only used today because of government intervention. Without heavy government intervention, we would most be driving EVs today.
>>28961894>My car payment is far less cheaper than what I was paying JUST for gasThis only works until government revenue starts dropping from fuel taxes. Once EVs replace gas cars expect to pay more than ever.
If I didn't need to regularly drive 600km into the wilderness to get to my work place, I would buy an electric car. In fact it would be stupid for me not to. Tesla is the new Toyota. They last a long time. It's like anything electric, they just become less battery efficient over time. I could charge it for free. It might still be dumb to buy the tesla new, but compared to gasser cars, the price isn't too outrageous.But I also like the sound of a gas car
>>28961964>Without heavy government intervention, we would most be driving EVs today.
>>28961964We would be driving hydrogen cars actually and EVs wouldn't exist
EVs are cool now. Just get one without the annoying driver alerts.
>>28962044Hydrogen comes from oil, so no we wouldn't.
>>28962061if cool means turbogay then yes
>>28962075>jew still living in the 90s thinking gay is an insult and people care about the holocaust
>>28962075It's more gay giving your money to arab pedophiles
Just got the mythril, gonna grind out Aerith's final limit break before she gets killed.Fuck EVfags.
>>28962100Vbp, very based post
>>28961997Please don’t look up how much subsidy the gasoline supply chain receives.
>>28961131If you are into car camping, absolutely. EVs mog ICEVs for car camping. It's like having a generator that doesn't make noise.
>>28961292>if you own your own homeGood luck anon, I make $140,000 a year can can't afford a house if I had to buy right now.I was lucky and bought in 2018.
>>28962075>instant torque on a 800 horsepower machine isnt cool
>>28961910That makes no sense If you have a short enough drive where a 5min charge is good every other day; you'd be spending very little on gas.That's what, 50 miles per 5min or so.So 1.4 gallons for an average ICE sedan then.So around $7 a week for driving 50miles
>>28962105Oh yes. There we go.Gonna get in my 4-axle buggy and hit up that temple.
>>28962085>It's more gay giving your money to arab pedophiles Can't even call them out on that, they'll say it's their culture or something.
Gasoline cars are all either clapped up to hell by regulations or worn out shitboxes. You can buy an EV that goes 0-100 in 3 seconds in absolute dead silence and everyone will kiss your ass for going the green option. It's a win win. Gasoline cars are just too much headache to bother with if you can afford a decent EV.
>>28961139Just install your own computer. EV drivetrains are ridiculously simpleAlso: how many people do you know with oil derricks on their roof?
>>28961131They still suck as used cars because you may only get a year or two out of them before having to replace the battery pack, typically around a $6000 job.
>>28962654What are the failure modes for those batteries? Do all the cells degrade equally, or do only a few cells fail at a time? If the latter is common, I wonder if one day we can check an error code that says>cell(s) 43, 44, 45: faultyAnd be able to pop in a few replacements on our own
>>28961601>source: trust me bro
Can we all take a moment to give a round of applause for those who voted in the people who caused this energy crisis? Thanks to them, gas powered cars are going to go extinct faster than ever.
>>28962809https://ourworldindata.org/electric-car-sales
>>28962907That's not the sentence he was talking about.NTA, I've seen articles about the study, but not their full methodology. This is so complicated that fudging or forgetting one or two seemingly minor details can skew the numbers hard either way.
>>28962910>>28962809Well then, we should expect the manufacturer of 70% of the world's EVs to have a big rise in CO2 emissions.Oh...
>>28962914It's more complicated than that. They're upgrading their whole grid and have been clamping down on industrial pollution. They made 2-strokes illegal, that cut down on a lot.I'm sure EVs are slightly better for the environment, but not at the level that 10k mile study claims. There are a LOT of sources of pollution out there, and many types of pollution, why does everyone only focus on cars? It's fake activism.
>>28961131 there is less that can break so they're more reliablelol talk to an insurance adjuster, EVs cost 10x more to fix over regular carsbetter for the environmentyeah retard, a 1500 pound battery that has the energy denisty of a few gallons of gas is "good for the envoriment" >and quieterA Lexus LS is quieter than any TeslaEVs seem to be for retards who don't actually know anything
>>28962935>Look it's not reliable if it gets into an accident How disingenuous can you get faggot
>>28962154>That makes no senseIf you have a short enough drive where a 5min charge is good every other day; you'd be spending very little on gas.Because its not based off a short drive, its based off a LONG drive where you would need to recharge/refill. That five minute charge isnt to "top off" its to go from 5% back to 100%. If youre commute is super short then you wouldnt have to recharge every other day, maybe just once a week. But my daily commute is about 60 miles round trip each day not including extra things like going to the grocery store so having an EV is a game changer.
>>28961345Here in WA, evfag central they have chargers in apartment complex parking lots now. It's already a solved problem
>>28962921Even though, all that massive EV manufacturing should have been more than enough to counter it. Especially since many cars are not driven in the country, and the claim is manufacturing EVs is more polluting than driving a gas car for over 10,000 miles. That's basically a year of driving in emissions for manufacturing an EV. That should have a huge pollution impact. But it's not.
>>28962975There's more to pollution than CO2. CO2 doesn't even destroy the ozone layer, that's all other stuff.
>>28961915Dont worry anon, to offset the benefits to the enviorment for having an EV I will throw a car battery in the ocean.
>>28962490Yeah buying a gasoline car in 2026 sucks. However if you have one from long ago, just keep it and take good care of it. >>28962654Battery failures are a rare occasion even with super high mileage cars. The early Model S' would shit the bed but those cars were basically prototypes for EVs.
Gonna get my Model 3 in less than a month :)
>>28961131I’ve loved puzzle and enjoy for so fucking long but both of them together as the garden is just so insanely mid, it’s always baffled me how on their own they’re so fucking good but as a team they suck, blows my mind, keeps me up at night even
>>28961150>used cars are cheaper than new carsamazing revelation
