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Superior technology is inevitable (ICE is dead).
>>28973035cool story chang but how are EVs going to take over the used market though? by the time they are 10 years old the batteries are mostly dead and new ones are going to cost 20-30k.
>>28973050If nobody wants used EVs, then they will be cheap and everyone on >>>/o/ who appears to be too poor to afford anything more than a $5000 car can easily get one. If in fact used EVs are extremely popular, then their used prices should be really high and out of >>>/o/'s reach.Considering how much crying about how expensive EVs are, I'm going to assume used EVs are extremely popular and you are of course, as usual, wrong.
>>28973059the problem is that all those cheap EVs will need battery replacement and nobody in their right mind would spend 30k to fix a 5k EV, therefore those cheap EVs will end up being scrapped
>>28973063No they don't.
why are manufacturers trying to push pure EVs instead of a Cummins powered EREV? The ad campaign writes itself, powered by Cummins and pulls like a freight train
>>28973075Genuinely no idea. A series-hybrid would completely eliminate the #1 issue a pure electric truck has, namely shit range while towing.
>>28973063Just like every other diesel half/three quarter ton pickup that requires the cab lifted off to replace *anything*
>>28973075my guess it's not really about saving the environment but about control
>>28973075Because they know EVs are the future and 100% of new cars in a decade or two will be EV, so they need to spend money on R&D so they don't get left behind. But they also want to make money on it while it's under R&D, so they push to sell their products.
i have seen 1 (one) of these pigfat niggermobiles and i live in retard yuppy land where the f150 ev (lol) is somewhat common
>>28973035>>28973059>>28973069>>28973098if you were so sure of this you wouldn't need to spend so much of your time here desperately trying to convince people it's true.
>>28973137Yeah, EV haters are so desperate trying to convince people that EVs aren't the future they can't help but lie since the truth says they are the future.
What's the point of an EV truck? I guarantee the moment you tow or haul something with it, the range is gonna go way the fuck down to where it's not feasible to do so.
>>28973206What's the point of a diesel truck? The moment Israel gets uppity, you're going to be unable to afford to drive it.
>>28973035>>28973059>>28973069>>28973127>>28973185We arn't buying EVsSry, just ha ha Only poor people buy electric cars.& I'm not poor.
why don't they just make an EV sedan?
>>28973268Factually false.
>>28973050So much wrong with this post. You don't know shit about EVs. I could take the time to make corrections but I'm sure you would rather stay ignorant than learn.
>>28973272Electric cars are for poor people.Only 3rd world shit holes and communists are buying EVs.
>>28973281>communistOh, you're one of those people. Probably voted for you-know-who 3 times.
>>28973281Your own personal household is a net oil importer. It makes sense to keep more of your own money and real resources instead of trading them for more oil than you actually need.It's a bizarre argument you're making. Very inorganic and shilly (because it is paid marketing).
>>28973063Just like autotragic cars that get thrown away because the cost of a new transmission at 200k miles is more than they paid for the vehicle. At least with an EV i can see how much of the battery is remaining unlike autotragics that accidentally the transmission
>>28973281True. I live like a poorfag and the idea of used 20k awd ferd EV maverick thing in the OP is more appealing than spending 20k for a 2013 F150 5.0 4w4 with 130k miles on it.
>>28973050>>28973059>>28973063NonononononoNOYou don't get itThe used ev market is a roulette wheelI mean the used ice market has always been this way and has gotten worse lately but it'll be even worse for EVs. Yeah you could buy a 15 year old ev for cheap and it'll probably be okay for half the range but if it's suddenly not because of a slightly underspec'd resistor or, god forbid, a rock chip, then you'll just be eternally fucked and on the hook for the rest of the loan. ...But because there's still a decent chance of the car operating for another 5+ years, and everyone needs a car, it'll still be thousands to play this hideous roulette.Future is bleak.
>>28973333Buying a used rube goldberg machine is more of a gamble than a used EV.
>>28973075F150 power boat is a parallel hybrid with a twin turbo. I honestly have no idea why they have other options, should only be 5.0 and PB in this class.
>>28973035>Superior technology is inevitableICE Is here, horses are dead.
never buying a shitty EV lmao
B A T T E R Y TRUCKS
>>28973019electric maverick incoming
>>28973031Nor dumb fuck, which is what you are.
>close /o/>months pass>open /o/>the same pro-EV anti-ICE and TRUCKS BAD troll threads everywhere you look
>>28973468my guess is this board is just overrun with shills getting paid to push pro-EV anti-ICE agenda
>>28973451this. I'd rather daily drive a land barge from the 70s than an egg-shaped EV cuckover
>>28973050>by the time they are 10 years old the batteries are mostly dead and new ones are going to cost 20-30k.Feature not a bug. Enjoy always being in debt for a spyware chinkbox gweilo ;^)
It's so sad how many shill for fossil fuels on here, for free. Imagine being so cucked to defend that shit.
It's so sad how many shill for overpriced golf carts on here, for free. Imagine being so cucked to defend that shit.
>>28973019You know that Ford stands for Fix It Again, Tony
>>28973019Tesla won
>>28973589True, I am getting a used Cyber Truck soon
Tesla interiors make Daihatsus look cutting edge and luxurious
>>28973599hahah better make sure you can get it insured first. Most insurance companies won't touch those things.
>>28973019That is called a breach of fiduciary duty and shareholders should sue the fuck out of Ford before the government does it for them.
>>28973019They should make a cheap EV city truck. Something bare bones for businesses with set routes like the base Ranger used to be 20 years ago or like a Kei truck is today.. Competing with the F150 is a losing battle until they make better batteries and get people used to the concept. Maybe they should start with a plug in hybrid, just 50 miles of electric range would take a lot of the gas cost off owning a truck with a big ass engine.
>>28973035>halves your range because you used the truck for truck purposes instead of larping as a man
>>28973035Define "superior"
Why not deisel-electric? You get the range and torque from direct electric motors and the engine runs at its optimal efficiency using very little fuel. We’ve been doing that with locomotives for over 100 years
>>28973327This.The risk of catastrophic failure of an expensive part is one of the main reasons people buy new cars.And with today's cost of labor and spare parts, this gets even worse.For EVs there are already specialized workshops emerging that focus on cost efficient repairs of EVs - the stealership would replace the whole battery pack, when only a few cells are actually broken and can be fixed for much less. Or blown pyrofuses...
>>28973987Diesel-electric engines are not used because of efficiency - in fact, that's so far from the truth. You're using diesel to turn an engine, arguably an efficient one, then you have conversion losses in the generator, then conversion losses again feeding that to the electric motors.What diesel-electric has in literal mountain-heaps is torque, like all of it. To haul heavy-ass shit.>>28973997Until your ECU and all components serials gets blacklisted, or VIN-locked for trying to fix it outside of the vendors environment.
>>28973959same thing happens with ice. only reason why you get more range with them is that fossil fuel is much more energy dense than li-ion, and the electric truck weighs a literal ton more to start. so the ice truck can store more energy and burns less than the battery one. maybe battery tech will improve someday, but every big improvement has been "just around the corner" for decades now
>>28974001>Until your ECU and all components serials gets blacklisted, or VIN-locked for trying to fix it outside of the vendors environment.This is outright evil and should be banned, in EVs as well as in ICE vehicles.
>>28974005Wholly agree.>OEM charges one gorillion dollars for a fresh X>But you can source a 2nd hand X from the yard for X-90%, from what was a running vehicle that may or may not have been marked as written off>Do the swap>ET phones home and finds you have a naughty serial, because the part you installed requires a handshake with the ECU>This serial number is not the serial number your vehicle was shipped with. We are disabling this part at a hardware level to 'Make sure your user experience and safety remains within our moral guidelines of responsibility'.And now your VIN is blacklisted, along with all the serials connected to it.
>>28974001The engine is basically just an electric power generator. The motors run off a now capacity battery
>>28974071So another set of conversion losses and weight.It remains that diesel-electrics are not primarily for efficiency.
>>28974002>and burns lessIt actually burns considerably more, figuratively and literally. The vast majority of energy stored in gas is completely wasted when driving.
EV technology is not good enough yet for truck use. It works for passengers cars, but it needs much more development before it can displace ICE pickups.
>>28974172This isn't a "truck" really. It's Ford's upcoming super affordable car they've been talking about. It'll basically be an electric Maverick
>>28973089>>28973075Nigga you live under a rock?They were FORCED TOEREV is cool but very expensive >>28973346The 3.5 gets the same mpg as my 5.3 on the highway but wont last half as long
>>28973468>>28973470Report and ignore dont hand out youThis board is the worst for obvious bait threads
>>28973238Why are you gay?
>>28973035>ICE is inevitable>ICE is deadpick one
>>28973274batteries fundamentally become unstable at around the 7 year mark. This has been known for decades and no fix is on the horizon.
>>28973272>subsidize EVs>outlaw diesel carsyou are here>outlaw gasoline cars (in progress)>”omg, EVs are selling!”>50% of first-time EV buyers surveyed will never own another
If we're truly honest with ourselves, we know that IC engines need to go away for the vast majority of use cases.
>>28973059>buy cheap used EV>have to spend the price of a new car anyway to get the batteries and capacitors and any other worn out electrical components replaced, if they even have replacements on the market>when you could've juat bought a cheap used beater ICE and put another grand or two into fixing it up, and 3+ years of gas and maintenance wouldn't come close to the cost of the EV rebuildlol. LMAO even.
>>28973335yeah with a used EV you're guaranteed to pay the price of a new ICE car to get the battery, sensors, capacitors, and other electronica up to snuff. My dad bought a used EV. after two years he went back to a used ICE because the EV needed over 40kCAD to get all the electronics overhauled. For a car he paid $8k for, and the (((remanufactured))) battery wouldn't have a warranty because batteries fucking suck ass
>>28975174and of course, when the battery and capacitors started failing they took out a bunch of chips and sensors and shit with them, because electronics failures are usually catastrophic like that.
>>28975174Nigger what fucking car did your dad buy that he needed to replace all that my co-worker has an used first gean Nissan Leaf with like 200k miles on and its still going strong.The battery is dogshit and like 60km but it always was so this didnt really degrade much, except for that literally nothing needs change
>>28975177It was an EV smart fortwo and I constantly roasted the shit out of him for owning that gay little egg the entire time he owned it. The "I told you so" was fucking cathartic when he got the bill for all the shit that needed to be replaced when the battery and caps failed. that was 40k from a specialized EV shop for a rebuild of the existing parts and battery, BMW wanted almost double that for OEM parts replacement/labour, and they wouldn't even be able to replace everything because they stopped making a lot of the sensors and chips that were in that car.
>>28975177Keep in mind I'm in Canada, our winters rape the absolute shit out of EV batteries from the hot/cold cycles we get.
>>28975188>He says this while Norway is like 40% EVs
I unironically want to buy a used Model 3 from like 2021-2023What should I watch out for except Battery state?
>>28975191>europoors being forced to adopt more EV's negates the effects the weather has on their batteriesokay retard
>>28975200>teslaThe dogshit manufacturing quality because elon hires jeets, the dogshit quality of all the sensors and chips, and tesla's jewery about arbitrarily locking out previously accessible features via forced software updates
>>28975191Which is basically entirely financed by a state that has unlimited oil funds.
>>28973650>thinking the law applies to jewsakshually, “stakeholder capitalism” (aka goymunism) is the new term they borrowed from the eurotrash and hiring only retarded niggers and women and driving a publicly traded company into the ground to score ideological wins is now legal.
>>28973997what you don’t understand is that replacing 1-2 bad cells doesn’t make the other 2,000 volatile cells new again. The battery pack will fail again in a couple years.
>>28975191Norway has way more mild winters than Canada.
>>28975206Better than BMW and nissan
>>28975153>subsidize EVsA little coupon code is enough to get people to switch? LMAO>outlaw diesel carsDidn't happen>outlaw gasoline carsNo plans to>”omg, EVs are selling!”They already are.>50% of first-time EV buyers surveyed will never own anotherIt's 95% for Gas cars.
>>28975200i've heard water ingress in the motor is a big one
>>28975188i rode an ebike all winter on the east coast and never had any battery problems with that, and that's not in a nice insulated box like a car's isif anything, the aggressive salting, potholes, and constantly being wet and/or frozen did more damage to the rest of the bike>>28973680westerners are retarded and hate kei trucks for some reason>>28973206>he thinks truck owners actually do truck stuffjej
>>28975560>"some reason"there's a ton of reasons. there's actually no reason to not hate them. they're garbage
>>28975174on the other hand, my buddy has a used Nissan leaf with 200k kms and 90% battery health. don't blame EVs for your dads shitty car
>>28973050>by the time they are 10 years old the batteries are mostly deadKill yourself.
