>>28975470
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>>28975470
Meanwhile in Krakow the residents liked the introduction of a clean transport zone so much that they recalled the politician responsible for it in a referendum (Aleksander Miszalski - because such leftists also have names and surnames)

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Efficient car infrastructure is superior because America is a Giant place physically. You don't want to nerf your cities efficiency just because some tiktokers hopped on a trend influenced by tiny European countries.

Cars allow you to go anywhere, anytime, with minimal energy investment.
The contrary restricts you.

Also, if you are a builder, DIY guy, or trade worker you will never be able to load materials on a fucking bicycle.

All of the businesses within the cities will be charged more for delivery due to it bring much more difficult and time consuming to reach each location to drop off goods.

Walkable cities are a European premise, which is fine for them because they're smaller. America on the other hand, will always be better as a car centered infrastructure. Our highway systems and whatnot also helped us win WW2 because we can transport munitions so swiftly anywhere.

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>driving or owning a car ever

Do you know what a people centric city is called?

The suburbs. Just move to one of those instead of trying to reinvent the wheel.

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>>28975482
>he doesnt know about trains

>>28975487
a gulag

>>28975488
>he doesnt know about blacks

>>28975488
News flash pal, we have trains.

Trains doesn't resolve any of the points I mentioned.
>Hard set locations
>Inability to haul whatever large items you may need such as building materials, furniture, even large grocery runs

For short sighted inner urban yuppies like yourself, trains/trollies/lightrails are good for dense inner urban cities but they are NOT a direct REPLACEMENT for thr tried and true automobile.

People like you are the stick and the bicycle meme because you're out of touch

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Cars basically just suck

>>28975470
imagine actually living in muttland
why do that to yourself

Cities suck

Very weak retorts, seems like these "people centric" cities aren't a good idea at all and is just a fantasy.

>>28975470
why would you go to a city
this is a car board. you can advertise communism somewhere else.

I'm glad I don't live in a place where I'd have to keep a gun in my car.

why would I want to live in a city though?

>>28975479
Clean transport zone in a city where houses stink does little to improve air quality.

if you brown around my car ill shoot you.

>>28975479
>Aleksander Miszalski
not a leftist

>>28975482
you could just like... park outside the city and then use transit inside it.

need to move shit? rent a truck
do it for work? good, you get paid to sit in traffic (which there will be less of since less people drive)

idk why car guys are against walkable cities. all the people driving soulless bugmobiles will be on the train instead, which means less traffic for you, less chance of a zoomer on their phone crashing into you, and cooler cars from manufacturers

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>>28975485
Why yes, I'm opening up a new vaginal beautification salon downtown.

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glad i live in the beautiful burbs

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>>28975470
>tfw small walkable town in WA state surrounded by twisty maintained back roads with no police or traffic
>90% of my driving is jus unimpeded fun

>>28975470
>retarded urban communist babble

Are cities have roads, which are as fundamental to their existence as cars

>>28975482
>t. has never driven innacity

>>28975591
>why car guys are against walkable cities
Because those guys who spent most of their life in an environment not suitable for humans just walking cannot comprehend that walkable cities can be nice, and driving for fun can be done elsewhere.
To reduce both physical and mental reliance on cars you need viable alternatives to cars.

>>28975470
Unironically yes.
Makes city centers smaller, less traffic outside the city center, and even traffic inside the city isn't that bad because people who don't need to haul stuff don't drive.
Wouldn't work in the US though, it's too late, the cities are already total dogshit.

>>28975591
You will live in the pod.
You will eat the bugs.
When you die you'll be cremated and your ashes thrown in a landfill.

You exist only as tax revenue for the state.
You will be forgotten and replaced the day you stop breathing and replaced with another brown person.

>>28975800
>not suitable for humans just walking
And stupid leftist can't comprehend living anywhere outside of a city where cars are necessary.
Lefties can't comprehend any type of work requiring a vehicle. All they've done their whole life is walk on carpet.
Seeing AI absolutely rape the office jobs has been satisfying.

>>28975864
I don't know what you are talking about. Are there schizos advocating for zero-emission zones and car-free areas in countryside or what?

>>28975807
Based take. All these faggots who think that if you support walkable cities with efficient public transportation and bike lanes that you are automatically a leftist commie are stupid cocksuckers who can barely afford their car payments.

>>28975864
no one serious is advocating for abolishment of car ownership. no one serious thinks that people who live in rural areas can get by without cars. at most people are advocating for rural small towns to be designed in a way to be walkable, so that the people who choose to live in those towns can most of the time get around without a car. i lived in rural Indiana. you need a car there. but i could also drive to Bloomington, park somewhere, walk to all the places i needed, then get back in my car and drive home. Bloomington isn't rural but you get the point; drive to the city, park, walk around, then drive home.

these abolish car 'leftists' aren't actual activists man, you're just getting lied to by the media into thinking these people matter. the only place i've seen anyone claim that we should abolish car ownership is reddit. leftist doesn't even mean anything cohesive anyways. you ask 50 people who are economically left what their views are and you'll get 50 different responses. i mean ffs, a lot of the 'commie'fornia leftist voters are just virtue signaling republicans.

WHITE CITIES ARE WALKABLE CITIES

>>28975470
No. People centric cities are stupid garbage cities, are often completely over populated just like your photos show it. Those cities should be nuclear bombed away.

>>28975864
no one is trying to turn the cornfields into walkable cities
they're trying to make existing cities more hospitable

>>28975488
I took a low key vacation to a lake/resort town for a week and took my fishing kayak and 9 bass rods + tackle with me. I stayed at a hotel and drove from the hotel to different boat ramps to launch the kayak and fish each day then got a bite to eat at a different restaurant afterwards. HOW IN THE FUCK DO YOU DO THAT ON A TRAIN? Are non Americans all NPCs that do nothing but stand around at various locations such as home, work and train station waiting for playable characters to interact with them? I refuse to believe you nocars are real people.

>>28975889
was the resort town in the middle of a city?

>>28975591
>park your car outside the city and then use other transit inside city.
That's extremely fucking stupid idea, Switch transport to another transport. Better just drive my own car to get things that I want/need, then return back into home.

>>28975878
Small towns are already walkable. No one wants to walk in America unless its to "go for a walk" where the activity is the walking. We're all buys bodies and thought of walking to go do something when we can just drive there, even if is a few blocks away, is inconceivable. I live in a small town and everyone drives golf carts around town to go visit neighbors or take kids to the park. These distances are all walkable but they dont. Able body people are regularly dropped off at the grocery store front door because they dont want to walk 100 feet across the parking lot. Americans dont walk.

people say stupid shit like this like i havent been to tokyo. you dont have a car problem, you have a groid problem.

>>28975899
>extremely fucking stupid idea, Switch transport to another transport
You are right, people should stop taking a taxi/bus/train when going to/from an airport.
We should widen the streets to avoid this retardation.

>>28975899
But driving in cities fucking sucks, I'd rather just walk.

>>28975903
Distances are just one part of walkability though.
Are sidewalks continuous, or interrupted by side-streets? Are there trees to provide shade? Is there any beauty around? Are there small shops around you on your way to the grocery shop?
An environment where you can walk but it isn't pleasant is not exactly walkable in our european sense.

>>28975889
rent the kayak and bass rods for like $30/day, put the tackle in a backpack. probably cheaper than buying them.

then, you just take the train (more likely the tram) to the place you want to fish, rent the gear, fish, then take the tram to the restaurant. alternatively, if it's a walkable city, you just walk to the place you want to fish at, then walk to the restaurant, then walk back to hotel. total walking time - 30 mins.

most of city living is sharing - you share space, bikes, streets, etc. with everyone in the city.

>>28975899
it's faster and more pleasant, idk what to tell you man

>>28975912
If I could control car production, I would rather make average cars smaller size again like they used to be before 2010s and 2020s.

>>28975937
No, I mean I want to get home on my cessna, but the streets are too narrow for that.

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>>28975941
Your pic are more applicable to the US though.
You don't even own your cities.

>>28975941
GAHHHH I NEED TO BUY MORE STUFF! AAAAAAAH I NEED TO OWN MORE THINGS! I NEED IT RAAAH! PAY IN 4? OMG YES I CAN BUY MORE STUFF!!! FINANCE FOR 96 MONTHS YESSSSS!!! CONSOOOM

>>28975591
You're unbelievably retarded and short sighted. Not even worth entertaining engaging with any of your stupid points.

Painfully out of touch. Thank goodness you'll never get what you want. Just move to Europe already.

>>28975952
NTA
>I have nothing to say so I'll call that anon short sighter, this will show him!
That's how your post sounds to me.

>>28975952
>just one more lane will fix our traffic problems bro, you're short sighted btw. we just need to fit more cars on the road and then traffic will go away trust me bro
>painfully out of touch, except in europe, where most people do this
>thank goodness you'll never get what you want, except in europe, where this is how cities were designed for the last 4000 years
>you clearly don't sit in traffic for 10 hours a week, liberal sissy. real men get stuck behind rav4s driven by a senegalese woman going 10 under. heh, you're just out of touch

still can't come up with any arguments against my points either lol

>>28975470
True, I want less people on the road so I can drive my car in peace.

>>28975487
Literally the polar opposite retard

>>28975864
Subhuman retard

>>28975889
>Are they all NPCs that do nothing but stand around waiting for playable characters to interact with them?
they live small lives. there’s nothing wrong with wanting to live a modest life in and of itself, the issue is that they want to prescribe it on everybody.
they can’t be happy with their 400 sqft apartment if somewhere out there a 3,000 sqft house exists. not because they want it, but because they deem it wasteful and can’t let anybody be wasteful.
you need to justify your truck ownership to them. when you say its to haul your boat, they don’t think that’s a justification, they think you shouldn’t have a boat either.

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>>28976124
>there’s nothing wrong with wanting to live a modest life in and of itself
>the issue is that they want to prescribe it on everybody.
That second point, is the single biggest problem I see in all of society. "Freedom, MY way." That's not how freedom works.

>>28976124
>>28976135
the problem with the notion of freedom is that there is no such thing as freedom for all. in the context of transportation, a place that is great for cars is horrible for pedestrians. inversely, a place that is great for pedestrians is horrible for cars. people who drive and people who walk/bike need to compromise. that's what happens in Europe, Seattle, Montreal, etc. these places have streets that allow cars, but also allow for trams, bikes, and pedestrians.

also the idea that living in an apartment is "modest" is ridiculous. some people (most people) don't want to mow a lawn, or fix their water heater when it fails, or manage their sump pump. they just want a place to live, close to the city where all the social life is. this is well understood in Europe, but in NA there's this idea (probably sold to everyone by corporations) that you need a standalone house with a lawn and a garage, and anything under that is a compromise. in reality, they're both great places to live, but for different people.

>they can't be happy with their 400 sqft apt if somewhere out there a 3000 sqft house exists
most of my friends live in condos (600-900 sqft) (apartments that they bought) and are incredibly happy. they are married and have children. you do not need a single family home to be happy, or to have a family. i know a few car free people, all i've ever heard them complain about is how close a car got to hitting them when they were crossing the street.

>>28975971
Ah yes.

Live in the hive.
Take the random service industry job within walking distance.
Eat the random food within walking distance.
Associate with the random people within walking distance.

BTW, nothing is random.
It will be a multicultural cesspit where you're forced to sit next to Habib and Pedro at the diner.
Your boss will be Achmed and your neighbor will be Jamal.
You child's school will look like the wall of color samples in the paint department at Home Depot.
And you will have no escape from it all.

>>28975889
How do walkable cities or trains affect you in this example in any way?

>>28976186
>live in the hive
this is not a bad thing. social people like to live in communities. i get that everyone on 4chan is autistic and anti-social and hates this idea, but outside of this godforsaken website, people want to live in a community. remember, just because the city is designed to accomodate both cars and people, does not mean you need to live in the city. the countryside is beautiful, peaceful; it's where i choose to live, and you can too! it's a lot cheaper!

>take the random service industry job within walking distance
most of my condo friends work in software or MBA bullshit jobs. service sector, sure, but they pay well. idk the alternative in modern day America. factory jobs just don't really exist anymore, at least in useful capacities. i know i would prefer a comfy office job (service) over a job that involves manual labor

>eat the random food within walking distance
you can take the train or bus too, they're about as fast as driving. it's nice that cities have so many cultures; you can eat authentic chinese food one day, then authentic pakistani food the other day, and they're all better for you (and cheaper than) mcdonalds.

>associate with the random people within walking distance
this is actually awesome. back when i lived in an apartment i knew all of my neighbors. we would just hang around outside, drink some beer and shoot the shit every weekend. once again, i get most of 4chan is antisocial and autistic, but hanging out with neighbors is actually awesome.

>multicultural cesspit
idk i like talking to people who have different opinions, world views, lifestyles, life experiences.
>you (sic) child's school will look like the wall of color samples in the paint department
this is good. city kids will learn in an environment similar to that which surrounds them. they'll be exposed to a larger part of the world, a larger percentage of cultures, and be more well rounded. btw, i'm never having kids, i hate women too much

>>28976193
in their mind the concept of a 15 minute city means if you attempt to travel more than 15 minutes from your home you'll be shot

I hate New York City so much.

>>28976198
oh yea, having more dense populations will make it easier for white people to reproduce at higher rates. if you give a shit about that.

>>28976198
I thought ShareBlue was defunded (?)

>>28976223
yes. because currently white people encompass the vast majority of low density populations, inhibiting proper socialization, therefore decreasing birth rate

>>28976227
idk what that is, i'm just a guy man. i hate the antichrist, abolish israel, etc. what else can i do to prove myself to you