Have commodity cars advanced to the point where luxury cars make little sense?It's hard to justify buying an X7 when a Pilot gives you 85-90% the experience for 45k less
>>28976707>It's hard to justify buying an X7 when a Pilot gives you 85-90% the experience for 45k lessNormies are fucking idiots OP, the lexus is CLEARLY better as its 45K more so you can mog on poor toyota faggots
>>28976707I was looking at this since its basically one of the last sedans. Tech sheet says macpherson struts on a Lexus, did they take an old Hyundai excel and stick a bigger body on it. I guess the typical customer no longer cares about quality or engineering anymore.
>>28976714Doug Demuro bought one iirc. He said it's great. But so is the Camry top trim
>>28976707>Have commodity cars advanced to the point where luxury cars make little sense?Imo, yes. Back in the day you had to get an S class to get radar cruise. Nowadays a Nissan has it.The "tech" pioneers like Mercedes are working on these days is UI/infotainment garbage.
>>28976714>Tech sheet says macpherson struts on a Lexus,why do you want bones on a fuckign camry kek, you probably want a manual lexus es too huh fuckign ricer
>>28976710It's about $15k more top trim for top trim. ~$40k vs ~$55k msrp.
>>289767075th gen maro has the same steering wheel controls as a base model cruze.
>>28976716he didnt' buy one he just did a video on one
Do people still not realize that Lexus is owned and operated by Toyota? Majority of the components are the same between the brands besides logo. If you're getting a Lexus at least get a sports car unique to their brand.
>>28977198Okay pal. Next you're gonna try to tell me Audi is owned by VW or Cadillac is owned by GM. Get a life.
>>28977202Stay in denial, retard.
>>28976707>a trannyverse-engined, FWD-biased crossover on struts riding on a modified Accord chassis gives you 85-90% of the experience of a longitudinally-engined, RWD-biased crossover on bones riding on a BMW 7 Series chassisYeah, I doubt that.
>>28976707The ES cars are comfy but boring eco barges.The Hybrids are hella good on gas.Reliable to boot since there's nothing new in them.My cousins have 400,000+ miles on a es350HStill gets 35mpg around town.
>>28976707Hybrids are inherently silent thanks to electric propulsion and engine rpm being low. R&D naturally had to make the interior more isolated since nvh is more noticeable without a loud engine in the background.
>>28976707The ES has nothing in common with a Camry, and it hasn't since the 2nd generation in the mid 1990s. 2013 had them move away from the shared Avalon platform.The nicer Camry trims are much better than what people expect from a Camry, but the ES is just a completely different experience when it comes to comfort and interior space.Funny you mention the X7/Pilot comparison, just last night I had a conversation with an older friend of mine that complained about his Q5 being a complete lemon by 18k Miles and that his Pilot rental was nearly as nice but just a little underpowered compared to his Q5. He loved the 30mpg+ he got from it too.
>>28976707It isnt the 1980s anymore. Other than a nigger engine and RWD, even the cheap cars have leather seats, heated/ventilated seats, carplay/android auto, highway assist and radar cruise control. You know, the things 90% of possible customers want and can afford.
>>28976710>mog on poorIn your head, perhaps.
>>28977154A G-Wagon has most of the interior bits from my work Metris.
>>28977523>>28976707Onions Geese did a comparison on thishttps://youtu.be/lukSxPK8Z6U?si=hXwiFiNA2cbkGJgJ
>>28976707Test drove an ES. Seats were 11/10 comfy. Looks nice.Other than that:Dogshit slowWay too noisySome Yaris spec plastics in the cabinBackseats do NOT fold downHarsh ride for a ‘luxury’ car (60k eur for struts lmao)Base audio system sounds cheapLexus is not luxury, it’s an econobox dressed in leather that Yota overcharges people for.The LS could be different and the LC500 is sweet.
>>28977709I drove an ES too and found it fucking laughable that people try to front it as actual luxury.
>>28976707if you just want a comfy sedan for commuting it's really hard to beat the current gen camrytired and true hybrid drivetrain, dual injection, no turbo or belt cvt to blow up, even has the option of AWD
>>28976707Yes. Honestly, who needs more than a modern top-trim Civic? What the fuck else do you need? The car to suck your dick while driving?
>>28978421Dual pane acoustic laminated glass. Frame less windows that create an air tight seal. An Alcantara headliner. Valcona quilted leather. Massaging seats. Soft close doors. Air suspension
