their stupid fucking idea was a rotary range extender sports car.
until emissions make it viable to sell a turbo rotary again there will be no successor. And until mazda becomes successful enough to dump money into halo projects, they will continue to tease us / release brokie-friendly sports cars and not true successors.
>although a 300hp, reliable, NA rotary powered SP iconic would be sick.

they won't make an Rx9. at least not with another roturd engine. what they should do, is make a front engine sports coupe. sell it with I4, V6, and V8 engine option. the top trim engine should be a Ford V8 tuned to rev higher than the standard mustang, with the I4 and V6 being standard mazda powerplants respectively.

Price it to fill the gap the corvette left when it became mid engine. lots of people still want a front engine corvette and would happily buy this if It came with good engine options.

Rotaries are dead for road cars unless some magically all-variable motor with a 200k lifespan at standard use/maintenance (normie maintenance) is invented.
Trump could repeal all requirements back to 80s levels and they wont come back.

>>28979260
boomers are dying and no one has money for fast sports cars anymore. But that’s ok because engine advances mean we can get what used to be “high hp” out of smaller, cheaper engines and stick that into a lightweight chassis. They realistically need to make a gr86 competitor. Take the sp iconic, throw in a couple engine options, and they have a beautiful sports car for a variety of buyers. I think something like a 250hp version that weighs ~2300-2600lbs and it would sell (skyactiv-g 2.5L already does that and could be tweaked). Ideally it would be NA and simpler, cheaper.
Then sell a turbo or higher hp version for people who want to spend $50-60k (this should be the rotary version).
It’s amazing to me that with multiple amazing designs for sports cars, amazing paint colors, and much improved interiors that mazda is so lethargic about releasing a new sportscar when the low end is so devoid of good offerings.

>>28979260
Their 3.3L i6 turbo aint good enough for ya?

>>28979251
None of us own a time machine so how the fuck would we know that?

>>28979267
roturds don't sell and charging 50-60k for one would be marketing suicide especially once people realize how finicky they actually are and immediately stay clear. the roturd option could also hurt the sales of the lower trim variant as people will take one look at reliability scores, see that the Rx9 is dead last, and not want to go near it even the non roturd option. Mazda collaborating with Ford to make a V8 corvette fighter on the high end and a GR86 competitor on the low end would be ideal.

>>28979251
No, the rotary is dead outside of being a range extender.
Instead, it should be an MX-7 with their 3.3 turbo i6.

>>28979267
they already make a gr86 competitor. what they need is a mustang/supra/Z competitor. they won't do it though, way too conservative. they only keep the miata because it's such a big part of their brand, though most mazda buyers wouldn't give a fuck if they dropped it.

>>28979259
What you don't know is they built their rotary R&D program into their hybrid program. This is the kind of stuff you have to do in the nu world. The range extender is the same 800cc long eccentricity rotor format they might use in a new RX

>>28979251
It'll be some gay pseudo-retro thing like every other modern halo car.

>>28979251
no
>>28979268
in a post B58 world, no, especially since there's no indication they'll use it on anything but an SUV or crossover
this is a brand that's been selling the same sports car for 10 years and the most significant changes they've made have been giving it 30 more horsepower then locking down the ECU because fuck you, gaijin.

>>28979251
only if its a small and sporty coupe, if its a long boy sad guy car no

>>28979251
I feel like it was take far too much budget to design a new rotary engine.
Mazda's r&d budgets are tiny compared to other Asian manufacturers.

>>28979251
they need to take that piece of shit i6 and put it in a long miata if they wanna make some bread.

>economic conditions of the Japanese asset price bubble created a market for home-grown supercars
>we are almost forty years into a recession that has stifled that market

The thought that Mazda of all companies is going to produce some sort of approachable high performance car is a fantasy. Even American performance cars are becoming more and more unaffordable, look at price bloat on the Mustang. The Corvette is unironically a 'deal' for what it is, despite the boomer bullshit.

>>28979251
That’s just a repackaged benz

We need to ban dick shaped cars just like how we're about to ban dick shaped fruit

>>28979498
Every maker has been encrypting their ECUs.

>>28979982
>everyone raped kids on epstein’s island

If it isn't a rotard it isn't an RX. Simple as.

>>28979289
Wasn't their previous rotary range extender hybrid absolutely miserable to actually drive?
Besides a bunch of questionable design choices, it didn't even have that much electric power, and was limited to 140 km/h. When the battery ran low and the 800cc rotary kicked in, you'd have to endure what sounded like a 2-stroke outboard engine from a boat going BRRRRRRR as it struggled to generate enough power to keep the car moving. It also used more gasoline than some fucking truggs at that point.

Looks like they stopped selling them in Europe this year. Not surprising.

>>28979251
Fuck sports cars, Mazda needs to bring back the MPV.

>>28980146
no, it just had an annoying buzzing noise sometimes. People are bitches and like to complain about anything that hasn’t been marketed to them (they love mcdonald’s, plastic suspension and engine components, especially plastic water pumps).

>>28979287
Rumor is Mazda is packaging their inline 6 for daddy Toyotas gen 6 Supra.

Which would then lend itself for a GT with a Cosmo return. Let Toyota make the sports car interpretation and Mazda can make the grand tourer with a luxury approach.

They also need to drop this engine into whatever they have trademarked as CX-40 and make a baby Macan on the same basic chassis.


This gives Mazda a real ladder for enthusiasts instead if letting them just leave the brand after career growth.

>>28980100
Are you f-
No yes, yes you are retarded.

>>28980197
>if mazda does all of these things they're never going to do I still won't actually buy one
Amazing contribution to the thread

>>28979251
No. That era of cars is gone. See: NuSX and the Zupr4. Best case scenario is going the Nissan route and keep building the same decrepit car and updating it every few years until you run the company into the ground.

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>>28980267
> Cx-30 turbo owner

Everybody knows a rotary hybrid is going to be a weird science experiment more than a profitable product and likely to break all the time. They need an enthusiast line that makes money in order to support a halo poster car worthwhile.

I’m not interested in buying a new gay sports car I prefer first generation shitboxes and new GR86s myself. A lot of younger consumers agree.

I got the cx-30 turbo because it’s an alternative to German compact SUVs for mountain driving fun at half the price. It’s weirdly the most enthusiast thing in the lineup with what it’s good at. It feels like Mazdaspeed rally engineers got sneaky with the CX-30 Turbo.

What they need to do is lean into making upscale well designed grand tourers that drive well rather than making every size of SUV. Keep your enthusiasts on the hook with an upgrade path to something more premium on the compact side of design.

They will loose the plot thinking Americans just want bigger cars rather than doing what they excel at with good driving dynamics. Once that happens they will get butchered by domestics.

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>>28980197
Mazda Cosmo GT
inline 6 tardbo 2+2 (adult size rear seats) fr coupe

>>28981283
Wtf am I seeing here? Is this real? Where is their i6 suv in this lineup something is off is this ai??

Crazy to think Mazda hasn't made any kind of sport vehicle since, and lets be realistic about production, 2001.

>>28979251
It will only ever exist as a concept in various forms to keep their top engineers busy with a fun project rather than have them go insane pumping out econoboxes

>>28981420
My schizo Mazda product designer LARP.

This is exemplifying a unified chassis approach for a compact inline 6 enthusiast GT platform to step up from the Mazda3/CX30 into something more premium without turning into another bloated family SUV. The entire point is maintaining driver feel, GT proportions, and compact dimensions instead of assuming every successful customer wants more size, more weight, and another row of seats.

The main idea is that it’s asking Mazda to be more Mazda. They already have the Miata. The Supra looks like it’s getting Mazda i6 architecture. That takes packaging work, tuning, and actual engineering effort. It isn’t as simple as dropping an engine into something. If Mazda is already helping create the next Supra, why not use that same capability to build out their own GT side of the brand?

Toyota can own the Gazoo Racing side of the partnership. Let them have the GR86, Supra, and GR Corolla. Mazda’s strength has always been design, grand touring, driver focused interiors, and making normal cars feel more special than they have any right to.

I’m not trying to get Mazda to do anything crazy here. Most of the pieces are already on the board. Mazda already has the Miata, Mazda3 Turbo, CX30 Turbo, a premium design language, and an inline 6 architecture. My point is that simply rearranging some of the pieces they already have would lead to better long term customer and enthusiast retention.

>>28981420
>>28982123
The Miata proves Mazda can build a sports car. The Mazda3 Turbo and CX30 Turbo prove Mazda can build compact enthusiast GTs that people are already cross shopping against German products. If the only place Mazda gets to use sophisticated longitudinal architectures is in larger family SUVs, I think they’re missing an opportunity.

I’m not really concerned about the CX70 and CX90 buyer. Those people have endless options across the industry. Every manufacturer builds larger family vehicles. The customer I’m talking about is the one who wants to stay compact, wants to keep driving, and wants something more sophisticated than a Mazda3 or CX30 without immediately graduating into a German brand.

The industry is full of answers for people whose lives got bigger. I’m talking about the people whose taste got more sophisticated. Those are the customers Mazda is already creating with the Mazda3 Turbo, CX30 Turbo, and Miata. The question is what happens next.

The other thing people are missing is that a crazy RX9 is easier to justify if there’s an actual enthusiast ecosystem underneath it. The RX9 shouldn’t be the thing that creates the customer. The Mazda3, CX30, CX40, Cosmo, and Miata should create the customer. A profitable enthusiast consumer base is what makes an RX9 realistic instead of just another forum fantasy.

The whole point of the graphic is that this isn’t five separate cars. It’s one compact inline 6 GT architecture being used intelligently. The CX40 and Cosmo are just different expressions of the same platform. The halo should sit on top of the ladder, not be the ladder. Mazda already knows how to build the bottom half of this ladder. I’m arguing they should finish it.

>>28979260
The Mazda MX3 had a 1.8L V6 that was designed to be rev-happy with a high redline to immitate the characteristics of their rotary engines. It's one of the best sounding V6's ever made, frankly I think if they made a high-revving variant of their I6 engine, it'd be just as good as a rotary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVtxQmHE030

Haven’t they been teasing an RX-9 for over a decade now?
It’s not going to happen unless it’s produced in low enough numbers to skirt emissions regulations.
RX is Rotary eXperiment, how could a rotary possibly work in current year unless it’s just used to charge a battery?
They should make a medium-long wheelbase RWD with a front mounted high compression N/A inline 6 and give it a new name, or call it the Cosmo, whatever.

Wouldn’t they have to design a new manual transmission for it? I don’t think they have a suitable one… it’d probably be auto only.

No conventional transmission.

The rotary is functionally a turbine generator that feeds batteries and capacitors which power the electric motors.

The rotary is not directly driving the wheels. It exists to create electricity.

Average energy demand determines how fast the rotary wants to spool up. Cruise around and it sits at a lower steady state. Start asking for more power and it spins up to maintain the energy reserve.

The whole project has basically been waiting for batteries, capacitors, and power electronics to get good enough to make the idea worthwhile.

The rotary’s biggest strengths are compact size, smooth operation, and the ability to sit in a narrow RPM range. That makes it much more interesting as a generator than as a conventional engine connected to a transmission.