Tesla is the third most reliable luxury brand.
I'm sorry, I don't believe those numbers.It's not even about EVs or Tesla, there's no way that Toyotas reach 250k FIVE TIMES more than Mazdas (just one example). Both cars I've had over 250 were Mazdas, another over 200 was a GMC.
>>28980676This is luxury?
>>28980702No.
>>28980702Yeah, look at how little button slop there is.
>>28980702for europeans, the badge matters more than anything else. so yes, that is luxury. It has a badge that signifies status with a price that leads to exclusivity (teslas are primarily found in high income neighborhoods). they are luxury.
>>28980711>It has a badge that signifies statusNo, it does not.
>>28980676all the porsche fags who claim porsche is reliable when less than 1% of them have ever even seen 200k miles.
>>28980707Minimalism is the antithesis to luxury
>>28980713they average tesla owner is a high income earner, so by definition, it does.
>>28980717Sure thing, kid.In reality, it's high-debt earners who are submissive and easily manipulated.
>>28980716REALabundance and excess is luxury. That's why all the beautiful cars of old had crazy chrome all over and intricate details and a plethora of features, and massive size.
>>28980720you're coping really hard. in your mind, nothing but shit that comes from europe can be luxury even if the very same people who once bought european luxury switch to tesla.
>>28980676Peoples should be posting these charts instead of the bogus shit from consumer reports. who cares how many """problems""" a car has. show me which ones can actually stay on the road.
>>28980723>in your mind, nothing but shit that comes from europe can be luxuryFirst, I'm a degenerate, I don't give a flying fuck about luxury.Second, what's luxurious about >>28980702 ? Anything?You're coping so hard fr fr bro no cap.I've had multiple cars over 250k miles, can you say the same, Imperial?Picrel, doubling the price doesn't necessarily make something "luxurious."
>>28980732>doubling the price doesn't necessarily make something "luxurious."to europeans it does. they literally equate price with something being a higher standard. european brands use this to sell shit with corvette quality at a much higher premium. but when tesla does it, it's just a ruse, right? I remember a thread where europeans were insisting keonigsegg is higher quality than a corvette C8. in what way? they cannot specify. they just mention that the keonigsegg cost a million dollars and therefore must be more luxurious with better materials etc.
>>28980720How's that $1500 a month F150 payment?
>luxurylol
>>28980744You're free to update WIkipedia and remove it from the Luxury brand and luxury car sections.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla,_Inc.
>>28980740Well, "a fool and his money are easily parted."
>>28980749>oh shit wikipedia!lol
>>28980757Yeah, that guy got BTFO when Wikipedia even says its luxury.
>>28980744>>28980757it's about as luxurious as the average european luxury brand. I don't see why re blindly accept slop from the euro brands as high class but tesla, a brand bought by upper class people isn't...
>>28980743You mean my $4,000 buy outright payment for a miata?
>>28980763If that's the Miata, you got ripped off.
>>28980749Yes rabbi wikipedia is the final authorityhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust
>>28980768Sure, kid.$4,000 and it's more luxurious than a Tesla interior almost 30 years later.
>>2898076920+ years of hearing criticisms of Wikipedia and not a single one has been proven true. From professors saying anyone can edit it to someone recently telling me that they don't name the accused based on the race. You have failed.
>>28980773You're like a black man showing a picture of his 350lb white gf saying she's hotter than Margot Robbie
>>28980774Not a single one huh? You have that list?
>>28980676I don't trust numbers from a company that considers a tech brand "luxury"
>>28980777> a 350lb ham planet is the perfect analogy for a miatabrilliant
>>28980781>"anyone can edit wikipedia">they will hold off naming the accused based on political beliefs (Kyle Rittenhouse vs Killing of Iryna Zarutska)>average page has tons of errors>its biased>it can be edited secretly without anyone noticingMuch more that I don't remember. At this point I have just accepted wikipedia as fact since its held up to all criticisms.
>>28980777Come on man. Make better posts than this and stop ruining our board.
>>28980676>luxuryKek
Can we all just take a moment and enjoy seeing BMW right behind fucking Chrysler in reliability.LMAO. Pottery.
>>28980763Peak! Tesla can't compete. They've never even offered a luxury ragtop.
>>28980702Less confusing buttons, more storage space, very simplistic, minimalistic easy to use design, clean white color scheme. Also, a frunk. What's not luxury about it?
>>28980676lol GMC is still more reliable. The ones with engines blowing up at 5k miles.
https://www.torquenews.com/18004/almost-half-tesla-model-ys-fail-mandatory-inspection-denmark-and-norway-says-european-tesla>Amerimutt qualityHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>28980717I work for some extremely rich motherfuckers and none of them drive Tesla's. I only see tryhard Jeets driving Tesla's.
>>28981076Rich people drive German (Mercedes, BMW, Porsche, Audi). Not low quality Amerimutt iPhone cars that can't even pass car inspections.
>>28980676>Volvo>2%Old Volvos hitting 400k km is not a rare sight around here. This chart is made by Americans. You can tell.
>>28980711Tesla is mid range.The association with high income people is mostly because those were EV early adopters.
>>28981103The rich guys I know that started with Tesla now drive BMW and Polestar EVs. Tesla has trickled down to cab drivers and shitbox buyers.
The idea of a "luxury brand" is retarded.Yes, Mercedes and BMW make luxury cars, but the average BMW 3 is a mid-tier car and not luxury, as is a Tesla.This isn't bad BTW, they are still fine cars.
>>28981103most of the tesla owners surveyed said they would not go back to an ICE car. most of the EV early adopters still drive tesla.
>>28981112This, I have the same experience.When you were rich 5 years ago and wanted a decent electric car (and not a Renault Zoe), you had to buy a Tesla, today you have tons of options.
>>28981118and everyone still wants tesla. the ones who can't afford tesla, get the "tons of options".
>>28981124Nah in Europe Tesla is losing its lead fast. Same in the upper class Chinese market. VW, BMW, Mercedes, Renault and Volvo are all slowly eating away at Tesla's lead. Mostly in the premium segment. Tesla is no longer the most cutting edge EV to get.
>>28981124No, definitely not.I personally know a guy that ordered a Porsche to replace his old Tesla.Most Teslas here are Model Y, which is a fairly muddle of the road EV at a decent price point, but nothing special.
>>28981126stats seem to suggest the opposite of what you're saying.>>28981127>I personally know X Y Zyea, and I know a guy who replaced his bugatti with a corvette. but what matters here is stats, and the surveys and stats back up what i'm saying more than what you are. Tesla owners are the mos satisfied of any brand. they clearly are special and desirable.https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-tops-consumer-reports-owner-satisfaction-list-2019-2
>>28981078The guy might have a 911 as a weekend toy and his wife might have a G-Wagon but his daily driver is typically a luxury trim pickup or a Raptor/TRX. Most trophy wives seem to go for the Yukon Denali's for some reason.
>>28981076>>28981078notice how the only thing these people can come up with is anecdotes. I wonder why.
>>28981138That shows their sales dropping off though. Which is especially damning as EV sales have grown 20-30% YoY
>>28981153Take a bus ride to one of your rich neighborhoods and take a walk around if you don't believe me.
>>28980686>>28980676what does it even mean to reach 250k miles (400k km). whats allowed to have been fixed and changed on the car? Do total engine rebuilds count? If so why cant any car last indefinetely?
I almost want to just buy a Maserati and keep it alive to be the outlier.
>>28981086>Old VolvosThere's the kicker. Volvo is Chinese now. The Redblock is long dead.
>>28981333Volvo is better off owned by Chinese than the Americans. Geely is pouring so much cash on them that Volvo is suddenly one of the industry leaders in electrification. The real tragedy of Volvo was gunning so hard for diesel and then the PHEV fraud. They should've gone from petrol directly to EV. Their pure petrol engines were some stuff of legends.
>>28981256>line going up shows their sales drop off???>>28981263I drive through rich neighborhoods every day and teslas are everywhere.
>luxury
>GMC>non luxury uh oh…
>>28981390You're showing us total sales, not incidence of sale compared YoY. Tesla has lost ground in YoY sales despite EV sales drastically increasing in Europe.
>>28981352>Volvo is better off owned by Chinese than the AmericansYeah, sure they were buddy. Because having a 4.4 Yamaha V8 in the S80 and XC90, and producing the S60R and V70R was terrible, right?
>>28981440Yes correct. V8s have no place in a Volvo. It's not at all in their identity.
Tesla won
I can go into debt and get a Tesla
>>28981271>whats allowed to have been fixed and changed on the car?Theseus shitbox
>>28980676tesla isn't reliable OR luxurious, even a 90 honda has better build quality then a 100k dollars tesla
>>28981444Yeah especially not a Ford abomination V8
>>28980676Damn that’s sad, people consider the quality of Tesla as luxury.
>>28980717The vast majority of Tesla here in the shitty state of CA are model 3s, these are not high income people relative to CA metro cities demographic.Maybe the first few years of Tesla’s initial company launch where they only had the model s and whatever model name did they cater/aimed towards the higher income earners i.e. eco green rubes from Silicon Valley.
>>28981124This old had doesn't want a Tesla. Also what happened to him being literal Hitler?
>>28981589It's been discussed since 2016 on the Tesla Wikipedia page and they have decided to classify it under Luxury Brands and Luxury Cars.
>>28981589>>28981393Why do people not care that europe gives you the same kind of """quality""" experience? Ferrari is considered a luxury brand and their luxury GT cars that are meant to be comfortable long distance cruisers are compared to crown vic police interceptors in terms of squeaks, rattles, and material quality.
>>28981573>Yeah especially not a Ford abomination V8It's literally a Yamaha V8, made in Japan and not a single part used on it is Fordhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_B8444S_engine>>28981444>V8s have no place in a Volvo. It's not at all in their identity.But a 2.0 Chinese 4 Cylinder is OK then?
>>28981627you can’t make a sports car truly rattle-free. that’s the downside of a stiff and rigid chassis. But you will never see garbage ford or tesla panel gaps on a European luxury brand
>>28981627there’s a reason Jaguar is dead
>>28981923You'll never see them on a Tesla, either.
>>28982057kek
>>28982057nice joke, Lilith. how's your transition btw?
>>28981390>I drive through rich neighborhoods every day and teslas are everywhere.Let me guess.... Cali, the bay area? Now try it in America.
>>28980676you must be poorer than a pajeet to think tesla is luxurious
>>28980676Luxury? Skoda make more luxurious cars.
I like my iPhone on wheels
>>28980676they should rank models instead of entire brands. the garbage entry level grocery getters ruin the stats
