Are cars responsible for the obesity epidemic?
>>28985097NoBlame GMO and fast foods
Yes. Or rather, the anti-pedestrian, very spread out infrastructure. A lot of people, even if they weren't in great shape, would be significantly less overweight if they had do a fair bit of walking every day or if it was more convenient for them to do so.
>>28985110Wrong. Stupid redditard. You'd have to walk 10 miles to even come close to making up for the average American's diet. Walking is dogshit for calorie burning. Being fat is 100% diet, calories in vs calories out, nothing else. You can run 3 miles every single day and still get fat as fuck if you eat dogshit calorically dense processed food. It doesn't matter one iota if you walk .5mi to your nearest bus stop then another .5mi from the bus to your work every day, not a single bit, if you're eating like an American you'll get fat.
>>28985097No. It's shitty food. With modern diet, you basically need to be a health freak not to get fat. People simply eat too much and too much of the bad shit.
Im going to be taking ozempic for the rest of my life. Its impossible to keep the weight off once you were already fat, your stomach just becomes too big and it becomes a bottomless pit
No. "You can't outrun the fork" is an expression for a reason.Weight gain comes from diet, and even going on runs doesn't really burn that many calories, compared to just not eating. Walking to places wouldn't do much in terms of weight loss.
>>28985097Now the flip side is potentially true though. Car centric cities developed BECAUSE Amerimutts are obese.
Can you really blame americans?Walking is illegal so they have to drive to get groceries. I don't think having cars result into fatter people as in the upcoming future the generation of ozempic slim people will be just as unwilling to walk
>>28985097If I had to ask myself why I'm obese, I think the answer would be that I consume more calories than I expend.
>>28985215>if you're eating like an AmericanWhich is what
>>28985256this
>>28985293Between 10 and 30% caloric surplus vs what you'd need to maintain a healthy weight, mostly processed food. This is the average American's diet and is why the average American is 20lbs+ overweight.
>>28985307The most processed food I can think of is a Hamburger, which I might be lucky enough to eat twice in a random day of the week when they are stocked Otherwise with a standard Eastern European home diet I just simply cannot comprehend how much you would have to eat to get obese like an American, these hamburgers must be the healthiest thing they eat and it must be like a snack for them
>>28985110>everyone would be significantly less overweight if instead of driving they had to walk to the nearest bus stop.Braindead take. Even the most walkable cities in the US are full of fat fucks.
Look at this chart, Americans had automobiles in the '60s, there are many stronger factors.>>28985256>Weight gain comes from diet, and even going on runs doesn't really burn that many calories, compared to just not eating.I'd agree with that. I'm 130-140 lbs and am fairly old. I eat probably 300-500 calories most days and never get hungry. I eat meat and vegetables, almost no carbs.Most food today is loaded with carbs, it's cheap, it's filling. But when you eat carbs your pancreas releases insulin to get it transported into cells. Coincidentally insulin is required for fat storage. You consume an absurd amount of carbs? A lot of that is going to be stored as fat. My body produces no insulin at all, which is why I looked all that up.
>>28985309Browse an American grocery store website and put together an American style shopping cart. No, that's not going to be a big bag of dried rice, a bunch of fresh produce, package of fresh chicken breasts, and some whole grain bread. It's going to be>frozen pizza>frozen TV dinner>cookies, donuts or ice cream>a box of sugary cereal>a couple of boxes or bags of snack food like potato chips or flavored crackers>some pre-made burger patties>some canned chili or soupand going to McDonalds or similar at least once per week. It isn't because good food isn't available or too expensive either. I easily buy fresh produce and meat and ingredients for scratch cooking every week.
>>28985316>Look at this chart, Americans had automobiles in the '60sOh my bad, this chart. Got to rambling and had another pic in mind.
>>28985097No. The actual cause of obesity epidemic is caused by people eating unhealthy foods that contain too much fat, added sugar. Examples: pizza, hamburgers, cakes, chips, candy, french fries, coke and energy drinks, ice cream, Some people add ridiculous amounts of sugar into their coffee, tea drinks. Some parents even sugar to their kids cacao drinks. Drinking beer and other alcohol makes obesity issues worse because alcohol inhibits human body from "burning" fat properly. In 2024 there was a study tha said something like>Average American eats 17 teaspoons of sugar every day, that's about 2-3 times more than recommended daily dosage of sugar.Obesity epidemic does exist even at many europoo countries because some of those restaurants that sell unhealthy foods are at shorter distance from people homes than grocery stores.
>>28985318My average shopping cart typically features these items on a regular basis>butter >tea bags>ham, sausage, chicken breast>bread loaf or buns >eggs>salad>potato>tomato>onion>beetroot>ingredients necessary to make chicken broth/soup>cottage cheese and yellow cheese>milk carton>salmon >apple>avocado>banana>mandarin>peachIf it's a special occasion>some spices or seasoning or herbs>burger patties or ground beef >prince polo or milk chocolateThe rest of the items you mention literally don't even cross my mind and I say this as someone who used to live in Chicago like 20 years ago>going to McDonald'sIsn't that way too expensive now for how little food they actually give you?
>>28985330>hamburgersThis baffles me because I regularly put together hamburgers at home now to try and gain some weight and their content should be extremely unhealthy, unless the buns they use aren't real bread or something>pizzaThis also baffles me because what even is pizza? That's barely anything, it's just a hot sandwich with little value
>>28985215>American's dietYou realize we're being poisoned. I know people that don't eat fast food or drink soda and they're still massively overweight.
>>28985097I'm obese because I eat too much. I'm fatter now that I'm sedentary, but I was still 210 pounds when I was too poor to own a car and biked 10 miles a day
>>28985330>Drinking beer and other alcohol makes obesity issues worse because alcohol inhibits human body from "burning" fat properly.I'm an alcoholic. I'm a walking skeleton. Americans consume less alcohol now than ever.
>>28985097cars free up lots of time for other things like preparing healthy food, doing work, exercising, chilling out.but now its too easy, you have to decide what to do with all this extra time and nrg.>responsiblemainly a sort of hedonism and nihilism, cant take care of your health or defend yourself from poor influences if your state of mind is kaput.
>>28985097They certainly aren't helping, but no, cars are not singularly or even significantly responsible for the obesity epidemic. They also meet a lot of human needs so I won't even advocate for getting rid of them.The real issue is that health outcomes are largely ignored or negatively incentivized by the market. There is no big development opportunity for a capitalist looking to invest in positive health outcomes, so they don't do it. As such, it's simply a human need that goes unmet. Therefore, any real dent in the obesity epidemic would need to come from conscious decision making that disciplines the market, and not the unconscious whims of the market.Note that some positive health outcomes might represent a rapid market growth opportunity in specific contexts, but I'm speaking more generally.>>28985110Yes, but see above. We don't consciously design anti-pedestrian architecture, we unconsciously follow the rapid growth opportunities of car production in the market, and the infrastructure required to make that realistic.>>28985215You're arguing that designing our environments to promote more active lifestyles is a bad solution because it doesn't completely address the problem. This isn't really how we approach problem solving, sorry.
>>28985338It's the corn syrup that you guys can't get rid of for some reason.
>>28985097Video games and streaming services. People have always ate shitty, fast food was always a thing. GMO's won't make you a fat pig if you exercise. North America has always been car centric so that's not the issue. Keep in mind the amount of alcohol people consumed 50 years ago would classify you as an alcoholic today. Don't forget that everybody smoked and was raised by smoking parents. So what does that leave? Vidyas and streaming services. Funny how autism wasn't a thing back then either. Hmmm.
>>28986131>VidyaC'mon man. Vidya is more calorie-burning than watching TV, movies, or reading books.I'm from the '80s and started gaming when I was 3 in the NES era. I have wasted my life playing video games. I have quite a few games I've played over 1,000 hours. I weighed 138 lbs this week with clothes and shoes on at the doctor's office, I'm 5'8/5'9.What I'm saying is, carbs and general sedentary behavior >>28985316 are a bigger factor than "video games."Pic, lol my living room in college.
>>28986164The 80's were the start of the video game epidemic. It's only been downhill after that. Prior to that kids would go out after school and ride bikes or toss the pigskin or find ways to get injured but now days kids go home after school and sit on their ass until bedtime.
>>28986176Again, I weigh 15 lbs less than a 1960s woman and am the average male height. And I've based a lot of my life around video games.I also rose bikes / skateboards, played soccer / baseball. But I've always seen myself as more sedentary than everyone else. If I'm waaaaay skinnier than everyone else there must be more to it than "muh video games."
>>28985215this. Literally try being hungry for once. The default human condition is hunger- it puts your brain and mind into focus and actually makes your body run more efficiently. We're never meant to be always full, digesting food 24/7.
>>28986186You know being skinny with no muscle is not a good thing, right? You 're like that because video games have depleted your test levels.
>>28986191>You know being skinny with no muscle is not a good thing, right?I have more muscle than fat. I don't even tense and I can barely pinch the skin off my arms. Completely rock solid.Kinda cheating, as said above - my body doesn't make insulin and I am very cautious about consuming carbohydrates. And insulin is required for fat storage. I eat red meat, eggs, fish, and vegetables. I'm pretty strong for a skelly felly.
>>28986202Picture of my forearm, for posterity. :P
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>>28986131>Funny how autism wasn't a thing back then eitherpeople also had hardly any idea about ptsd back then either...
>>28985097Cars no, zoning planning absolutely. You shouldnt need a car to buy a loaf of bread.
>>28985816>You're arguing that designing our environments to promote more active lifestyles is a bad solution because it doesn't completely address the problem. This isn't really how we approach problem solving, sorry.This is a complete non-sequitur and a cope.
>>28985097How much you walk to work/school indicates obesity level. And how much you eat. If you eat more than you burn off calorie, you become fat
>>28986125>for some reasonThere is a very specific reason. Farming subsidies
>>28985816>You're arguing that designing our environments to promote more active lifestyles is a bad solution because it doesn't completely address the problemNo I'm not, you fucking retard. I'm TELLING you that it wouldn't make everyone magically not fat as fuck.
>>28986888Anti-car trolls don't argue in good faith, so don't argue with them at all... make it weird. Most boards wouldn't allow threads that are just people talking shit about the hobby or ragebaiting it.
>>28986729>If you eat more than you burn off calorie, you become fatit's actually annoying how many people seem to be completely unable to understand this. yes feeling hungry sucks, but what sucks even more is being unable to walk up a few stairs without getting completely puffed out.
>>28985097>4'8" >290lbsWouldn't that technically just be a perfectly round flesh blob?
>>28985097no, people stopped smoking
