6000 lb70k dollars200 mi highway range - less in winter or if fully loaded, drops more if you carry anything on the roof, bikes, try to towmcdonalds strutsDRUM brakes (the only new car in the US with those still?)legendarily shit MEB EV compliance platform, summoned hastily after dieselgate and promised to be replaced but not yet80 kwh battery - they promised years ago when the "ID Buzz" was first released that it would come in a big battery variant - this has yet to materialize years later VW GAVE UPsad + cringeIt's really telling I've never once seen a car magazine test an EV's range on winding mountain roads or backcountry dirt roads alone. It would be de-juiced in 100 mi or less.
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>>28990168I've literally never seen one of these on the road, but I drive by vw dealers and see them in the lots and show room.
>>28990168i hate electric stuff and how heavy it is
>>28990168>200 mi highway rangeThats pretty good considering highway speeds and brick levels of aero are pretty hard of efficiency. >>28990188I've seen a couple around me, like literally 2. I've seen more 400Z's than this idbuzz. Both of the vans were driven by the same reddit mod looking sort of guy. Fat, beard, balding redhead guy in one. Skinny, beard, bald black haired guy in the other. I think what made the vans DOA is like OP said, $60k+ for the base model and it does nothing better than a cheaper tesla. Even the X would be in price parity with way more range, interior space, quality, etc.
>>28990168you have to REALLY want a minivan to buy this. the market is full of electric 3 row crossovers that eat this things lunch.
It's so fucking UGLY
>DRUM brakes (the only new car in the US with those still?)Makes sense for an electric car where you use regenerative braking so much that disc brakes end up rusting.
>>28990168200mi?More like 250km...The other MEB cars have more but the id buzz is too big and too heavy.
>>28990168>test an EV's range on winding mountain roads or backcountry dirt roads alone. It would be de-juiced in 100 mi or less.Those play into EVs favor, they are worst at high speeds. Running at speeds lower than the testing speeds means they need less energy and therefore get more range. Mountains in particular are irrelevant since you regenerate most of the energy you used to get on top.Meanwhile combustion engines are most efficient at high speeds and low speeds significantly reduce their range. In mountains they constantly need to work their way up and then ruin the brakes on the way down.
>>28990168I wish telsa would make a model 3 equivelent of a kei van. Something that can seat six or more people but also be used for van life. Nobody really wants mini vans these days but if they marketed it as a "van life" type of van they would sell like hot cakes. So many people want to do van life because of the shit housing market these days but cant afford those huge mercedes vans you see on social media.
>Ugly>Heavy>Expensive
>>28990264>I wish telsa would make a model 3 equivelent of a kei van.Not a big enough market: people don't want a tiny van for anything other than contracting work. And a contractor isn't going to get a $30,000 "van" that has less than 350 miles of in town range. No, they're not likely to do 350 miles round trip regularly for work, but what they will be doing is charging their tools either between addresses or between union mandated breaks. >So many people want to do van lifeNo they fucking do not. Yes young hipster kids who don't know it fucking sucks have dreams of it, but a used van for $15-25k, plus $5k of bullshit to live in it is the stopping factor, A $35k EV to pretend to be homeless in isn't going to be a hot seller for any automaker. >Nobody really wants mini vans these daysMost minivan sales are up like 50% from last year. Marketers concluded younger generations just starting their family rejected CUVs, SUVs, and similar vehicles because thats what their parents drove for the last 30 years, and still drive today. Minivans make sense for young families and they're actually good now. They don't have the same stigma Karen driving an Aerostar in the 90s.
>>28990188I see them once in a while here in Germany.
>>28990264We need a three abreast car like an electric Multipla.
>>28990280>Most minivan sales are up like 50% from last year. Marketers concluded younger generations just starting their family rejected CUVs, SUVs, and similar vehicles because thats what their parents drove for the last 30 years, and still drive today. Minivans make sense for young families and they're actually good now. They don't have the same stigma Karen driving an Aerostar in the 90s.This is what I meant though. Having EV vans for people who want families and want to do van life road trips occassionally would buy them. Maybe an actual "kei van" size would be too small but the idea of how they are used in Japan was what I was going for.>Yes young hipster kids who don't know it fucking sucksAll of the major problems with van life are either solved or massively improved with an EV
>>28990286The only kind of person would drive an electric multipla is someone with three breasts
>>28990168They're unbelievably, hideously, comedically huge in real life. You thought the ioniq 5 was chunky for its looks? Whooo boyThe 60k price tag had a reason after all
>>28990264Only poor people want to live a van life
>>28990307You write that as if it was a bad thing.Living in a van has more appeal, if your alternative is a pod or a shitty shared apartment.
>>28990292>Having EV vans for people who want families and want to do van life road trips occassionally would buy them.EVVanlifeRoadtripThese 3 things don't go together. >All of the major problems with van life are either solved or massively improved with an EVYou're spending far too much time on social media and it sounds like your algorithm is feeding you weeb stuff primarily. Biggest problems with vanlife are plumbing power, space, range, parking, and sheer abuse on the vehicle that was never designed to be lived in. What in your mind does an EV solve about how shitty vanlife is?
>>28990307>*buys 750k overlanding rig*
>>28990168I live near Seattle and I've seen a few dozen of em.Not horrible looking, just crazy expensive and no range
>>28990205>Thats pretty good considering highway speedsI'm just guessingits rated to 220-230 mi and I'm cutting a bit off, it could be less>>28990211It would be nice if they took more care in making newer, non-awful minivans.
>>28990318EVs are good for van life due to V2L. The high voltage battery can power whatever electric appliance you want.Road trips are perfectly feasible if you spend a couple of hours visiting a location while your car recharges.
>>28990331You can actually get that with a gas F-150 now, it'll act as a generator. Not sure if other companies offer it yet.
>>28990340It's not like it's impossible with ICE, you can also get big batteries for that purpose. Constantly running the engine isn't for everybody, particularly on camping grounds and the like.
>>28990355>Constantly running the engine isn't for everybodyeven vanlife dorks don't do this. A lot of them spend thousands on solar panels and charge a bank of car batteries. Most vanlife idiots without a big social media can't afford to leave the engine running. A lot of them can't afford to drive to their next "destination".
>>2899037899% of van life fags are parked out front of their friend's house with an extension cord.
>>28990168>DRUM brakesI fucking kneel
I often wonder how many of these they even wanted to sell. Surely VW has market analysis team. The ludicrous price does not match the lowly specs, unless it was all done for show and regulation reasons, making the low sales a feature.
>>28990251I work on these cars. The rear drums are a parking brake only. As a result these things nose dive like crazy when braking force is applied
>>28991023>The rear drums are a parking brake only.???
>>28990188Seen one so far, Austria. It looks cool, though.
The main problem with this van is that they aren't very big inside. The KIa PV5 shits all over it in usability and for half the price.
>>28990168My biggest complaint with this thing is the interior. The exterior is kind of strange, but not bad looking. Unfortunately inside, it's an extremely generic minivan interior. Quite small compared to an Odyssey or Pacifica, and worse quality to boot. No interesting touches like a table (not that there's room) or curtains like the old buses used to have.
Saw three today. One was a delivery vehicle, one a plumber and one a regular passenger version.
I’ve seen one and it’s some random that drives the same route to work that I do. It’s dehydrated piss yellow. There’s a Protect Trans Kids sticker on the window. I have on multiple occasions seen the driver chimp out and try to cut off Teslas and give them the finger. That’s who drives these. The funny part is the only people who drive Teslas around here are Indians.
>>28991153It's really, really low quality. ALL MEB cars have this issue. It's just a cheap outdated basis for a car and they should just stop selling it and wait till they can retool it to a new platform.
>>28990264All Tesla had to do was to copy and improve either a Mercedes Sprinter or a Cheevy box van. Instead they splurged on making the Cybertruck. They could also have cucked the Buzz completely by offering their new van side to side with it, where the buzz requires a lot of awkward compromises to keep it drivable with European B license(<=3,5ton)
>>28990264Honda has the n-Van e:. It only has four seats but you should be able to fit more in the trunk.
>>28990548In Europe the Nissan NV200 is just the box version of the Leaf.If you can get away with having 300km range, and bother to install a charge port at the pickup site, its the most economical beater on the market, and its also sold with a pickup frame if the box isn't big enough. Its intended for the commercial market, and maybe on the ultra premium "wow, it can have 9 seats" market.The problem is that its a pretty shit vehicle, and by this point >>28991151 the bigger question will be if they are even sellable if the local KIA dealer isn't awful at their job.
>>28991151I'm trying to figure out the purpose of the sliding door's window.
>>28990168>(the only new car in the US with those still?)Not rare at all. Most hatchbacks/subcompacts have drum rear brakes. Even the ones currently being sold.Hondas, Kias, Chevy Sparks, Mitsubishis.
>>28990168>DRUM brakesunironically not a huge deal for a car that heavy. it's more cost efficient than discs, which would have to be big and have a 6pot or something.
>>28991258Its the engineer's way of providing an open window to the rear passengers. Current minivans with in-door full roll down windows are still a mystery to other nations I guess.
>>28991327Why not a full sliding window? It looks like it could be a third larger at least.
>>28990211Considering the price point this thing is DOA. Imagine paying 70 grand for a fuckin volkswagen lmao. The pacifica plug in or sienna are much better and nicer options. And I’m saying that as an EVfag.
>>28991240What does the N stand for?
>>28991329You're gonna have to ask them dude. Its very odd shit for them to have a big door, big belt line, gigantic window, and oops we forgot to let the air in when passengers want, here just adapt a pickup truck window thing to check that box. That kia doesn't have a high belt line, but when every other minivan or "people mover" as thirdies call them can figure out rolling down a window into a sliding door, what were they thinking putting that into a promo pic? Maybe some odd funky shit like the VW van and land rover windows?And thats another thing, with how expensive pickup trucks are, why can't the entire rear window roll down into the rear cab wall? Theres nothing there other than cab vents and even a $120,000 truck just has a shitty little porthole window that slides open.
>>28991367Norimono
>>28991295Also one of the biggest recurring problems in EVs is brake disks getting rusty because they are rarely used. A drum brake prevents this somewhat.
>>28991460This is only a problem if you don't charge your car to 100. If you do then you get a period when your car uses the friction brakes for a while because it can't do regen.
>>28990168there's two people in my town who have this car
