Was it the baggers or that they discontinued of air cooled engines
>>28994710No fxr. No dyna. Fuck em.
>>28994710Two jews name Harley and Davidson
>>28994811Rubbermounting the swingarm is a dumbass idea that japs stopped doing in the 80s. The dyna is a cool name but the street bob is straight up lighter and stiffer and better handling. Go buy used if you care that much.Or buy a schporty
>>28994710>King of the baggers>"Harley and Indian only"They're scared if Honda and BMW was allowed to play they would get their shit handed to them
>>28994823Gay looking e bike
>>28994710corporate mismanagement insisting on marketing to boomers and only boomers, then trying to get the young in a panic without doing ANY research and making a bunch of gay e-bikes, then spending wads of cash to hostile takeover and dismantle e-moto companies they viewed as threats to their burgeoning e-bike division that had 0 fucking sales and never will
Just have full water cooling jfc.
>>28994710Build an image around "All-American Cool">send bike production out of country>known DEI/Retard company>get rid of the retard running the company>replace with the guy who used to run Pizza Hutsmooth business moves are what killed HD
>>28994893dont forget>build "All-American Cool" image around brutal gangsters>wonder why suburban white people buy Hondas instead
>>28994710In many ways their product range was just bad but at the same time nobody wants Harley when they make not-oversized crusier. They had a chance to get their foot into sportsbikes with buel but decided to drop it, for instance.The dumb part is that they never had to be like this. Resurrected Triumph can have a heritage line and perfectly reasonable offerings in other segments(perfectly good advs, really nice nakeds especially speed triples recently even some offroad machines) while Harley is like, yeah we make big crusiers. If people are currently into them they'll buy them, if they're not, Harley has nothing to offer to them. Lots of people buy something like a honda rebel 500 harley pretends like that money stinks. People buy advs harley only recently jumped on the wagon, before that the adv money stank I guess.
>>28994710Its an expensive toy in an era where middle class disposable income is collapsing. The American mass market consumerism that enabled them is dying and thats 66% of Harley's market. Normal people just don't have the money to spend on things other than essentials and maybe cheap, throwaway hobbies. The generational wealth builder of home ownership is also fundamentally broken. It's the same reason the median car buyer is 53. Half of new cars are bought by people over 55 years old while the 18-35 demographic only accounts for 10%. Same story for riders. In thenUS, there are almost twice as many riders over 60 years old than there are 29 and below. the formative 18-24 demographic only makes up ~6% of riders now. The majority of riders are over 50 years old and the average buyer is 47. In 1990, the average rider was 32. Its all made worse by bikes being pointless vanity purchases with no practicality to justify them. Unless you live in California, that is. But Harley would rather sell of their finance arm and ram the $300 million into stock buybacks instead of doing some long term growth by lobbying major regional states to allow lane splitting. Getting lane splitting in cities would open a massive new market, but as a publically traded company, Harley isn't able to do anything but loot corporate equity and transfer it to day traders who are shorting the company anyways.>inb4 muh culture wars/dei/trannys/electricsNobody actually cares about whatever minority demographic you're currently obsessed with. It's always been about money.
>>28994960Look at the bright side, the US is collapsing so fast bikes will soon go from vanity toys to essential last resort transport for some of those hardest hit by this clown economy
>>28994710HELL YEAH BROTHER
>>28994978>the US is collapsingThat's overly dramatic and not even close to what's happening. Unless something dramatic happens, the US will just slowly slide down in a slow hollowing out. More post-war Britain or Francoist Spain than the USSR in the 90s. Just a gradual decline in living standards and relevance. The US has an exceptionally weak foundation heading into what is going to be a politically, ecomically, and ecologically unstable century.
>>28994978The US is great if you're in the top 5%Stonks and real estate is way up. Tons of disposable income
>>28995003Idk. Im pretty broke and still enjoy the us
6 figure Harley
>killedLooks pretty alive to me, dumbass.Mouth off again.
>>28995101>captions on captions on flashing single-word captionsAnyone who watches and/or uploads this shit deserves cancer.
>>28995101The numbers don't lie. Not as many are into motorcycles like before. Now split that number up based off crusiers and rockets... yeah.. not like the good ol' dayz
>>28994710Boomers
>>28995101>getting spun up because someone in another lane didn't ask to pass youLmao. They claim that they ride apart in a subculture separate from the rest of society but then get panicky and emotional when the rest of society doesn't know their secret rules. They're all like this and I can't take them seriously.
>machine with technology unchanged from the 1950s>charge $30,000 for itthe reason Harleys got popular in the first place is because they were originally so cheap that you could buy a half dozen of them and then wreck them for fun.
>>28994710They're too expensive. The newer models look fucking gay. Whatever grand-touring cruiser they're making now is as wide as a fucking Corolla. If you're retarded enough to ride a motorcycle, why wouldn't you just get a jap naked bike for 1/3 the price that is way more fun and less cringe?
They are slow, that's itfor a vehicle to be cool, it needs to be fast, or at least powerful like truggsthe cool kids moved on to jap bikes in the 80s and never went backif it wasnt for sons of anarchy romanticizing 60s biker culture, this brand would have died ten years ago, like gibson>how to save it?kill all models except the sons of anarchy one and custom build, make a bike that can do 350 km / h, STOP SELLING TRICYCLES AND WHATEVER THAT TRIANGLE SHIT BOOMERS RIDE IS CALLED
>>28995236Even the fattest slowest Harley has a better 0-60 time than everything short of a Corvette.
>>28995244I've never ridden a harley, but they do look slow and feel slow. Ive never seen anyone ride fast on a harley. At the end of the day perception becomes reality. To become associated witb boomers is death as a brand.Yes, you can make good music on a gibson guitar. But chances are you are playing faggot zeppelin covers.
>>28995252>to be come associated with boomers is the death of a brandthis has only been the case for the last 15 or so years. from the 1960s until at least the 2000s, courting boomers was the best way to make money.
>>28995265The difference is, in those decades, working professionals had expendable income. Gen x was the last generation to reach near-universal "boomer wealth".
>>28995316millennials gladly drop 5 figures on video game collections and old Japanese economy cars. young people have money, they just don't have the same tastes as boomers.
>>28995316>>28995321I think you're both right to an extent. Different spending habits but also we have more people living paycheck than ever before.
>>28995336Paycheck to paycheck*But still, if millennials really wanted Harleys they'd take out a loan on them I'm sure. Being poor has historically never stopped people from making bad financial decisions.
>>28995244HELL YEAH BROTHER
>>28995316people still have expendable income they just spend it in every direction. stop going to bars and restaurants for one year and oh look at that, money for a fucking bike materializes
>>28995349Boomers do have more money than younger gens, but it's normal for middle-aged and elderly people to have more money than people in their 20s and 30s. they've been alive longer, have saved money longer, have more life experience and know how to manage their money better. that's just reality. the issue is, with Harley at least, they continued targeting the same demographic as that demographic got older and richer and adjusted their prices to match. they made no effort to attract the next generation of riders, so broke the chain inheritance. they hold no cultural value to a guy in his 20s now because he was gatekept from being able to buy one, because Harley said he wasn't worth pursuing as a customer. >>28995357people underestimate how fast even a "slow" bike is. a Harley still has a power to weight ratio of like 150hp per ton, which puts it not far behind a Mustang GT or a BMW M3. even a 250cc beginner bike will smoke 90% of cars on the road.
>>28995336Millenials have a shit ton of moneyHarleys just aren't cool
>>28995376BROTHER, HELL YEAH
>>28995379You are just poor
>>28995379>>28995382If you cant buy a yacht on a whim you're poor
>>28995379the old ones are, the nu ones aren't
>>28995382Probably but I hit 4 million this year and have a Porsche instead of a donorcycle
>>28995408Larp
>>28994710pricelook at what re is doing and how much they're selling, even though the bikes themselves aren't fast or anything. all people wanted was the image, but the image can't cost more than a used civic
>>28995447Under 4 seconds to 60 is fast enough I think. Ya silly goose
>>28995252>>28995236>>28995379Are y'all not aware young guys have been stunting sportsters and dynas for awhile now??? Harleys aren't fast, but tuned up they're not slow either. Also performance baggers are somehow a thing now. The scene truly is more than oldheads on their full dresser geezerglides, but most of you don't ride so I don't know why you're even in this thread anyway.https://www.instagram.com/_killswitchbikes/reel/BuVLx4ghxiD/
>>28994710>What killed Harleys?They're over priced, boomers are too old to ride them and they're not culturally relevant to younger generations.
>>28995475That explains all the younger people I see on harleys by me and at rallies
>>28994710Its the dealers uninterested in any customer spending less than 30k
>>28995452>tops out at 70they can be quick, but it takes money, yours or the previous owner(s), to go fast
>>28995485You're trying too hard Lil buddy. I cruise at 90 nice n comfy. Try to enjoy life a Lil :)
>>28995483Shiiiit. I got mine under msrp. Feels good man
>>28995101>oh okaylel'd harder than i should have
>>28994710If only you knew how bad things really are
>>28995512What would you rank the family line of fx models.FxrDynaSuper glideWide glideLowrider ??
>>28995101All that tough talk just to get popped by a hayabusa squid with a switch
>>28995535Wdym?
>>28995236>>28995244>>28995252>>28995472>Warped sense of speed.This is why I keep a slow bike or two around. Serves as a palate cleanser.
>Cost as much as a Goldwing with less gizmos and the same outdated techIt's a mystery.
>>28995588So a nightser is the same price as a goldwing?
>>28995244It's not about if you are fast, its about of other people are faster than you. If someone else has a faster bike than you, then they're better than you. The vast majority of people aren't able to separate their egos from their possessions. Their happiness with something isn't based on if they like it, but if other people will like it.>>28995321Some millenials did. In that demographic, there's a huge gulf between doing well and getting by. It warps the mean numbers.>>28995379>not constant dollars>no breakout of the percentilesAggregate data doesn't tell enough of the story here.
>>28994710Yeah the average Harley rider is a boomer but I see tons of 40 and under riders with sporties, dynas and softails. Once they start making money they get a roadglide. I don’t ever think Harley will die, but people just don’t have the disposable income they used to, so it’ll restructure. Also, the Buel Super Cruiser is the bike the lowrider S should have been.
>>28995612Having a bike just to go fast gets boring. Its fun to have different bikes for different occasions
>>28995616Dyna bros are gay as fuck and always sensitive faggots
>>28994710>>28995217Why not just build a chopper you sissies.
>>28995627Because some people like to actually ride instead of sitting on the side of the road broke
>>28995629Sounds like you can't wrench and need a fake excuse to save face
Lol at that hipster ass response
>>28995629You picture the better scenario that will build the greatest moment’s to your life.>(you) and a small group of friends ride cross country and travel American on old piece of shit hand built deathtraps that produce music to the ears.Or >you in a group of 30 something plus other old men in a pack of flamboyant leather stylized motorcycles riding to the nearest ale house or bar just to seek attention and act tough.? Pick wisely.
>>28994901it's the other way around.the cops and your pastor rode Harleys. Honda was for the long haired, unemployed, draft dodgers. until they weren't.ultimately I don't think anything could 'kill' Harley. but the CB750 did at least take a lung.
>>28995620based. the same people who bitch about harleys will never buy one anyway even if they made exactly what they want because its not about the bikes its about hating harleys
>>28995995Yeah. It's just "trendy" to hate them because they're popular
>>28995627I want a bike that's enjoyable to ride and can corner.
