I am a fucking cunthair from buying one of these, getting it checked out at the dealer (I live 15 min from AR HQ in the USA), and daily driving it. The prices right now are rock fucking bottom. The only thing preventing me from getting it is the fear that the gremlins and mechanical issues with the car will prevent it from being daily driven. For context I am not a wrenchlet, but I also do not know what I do not know about this car, as opposed to 90 jap shit boxes.
>Buying used chinkshitGood luck with everything
>>29002868if you have a good dealer nearby and can find a good example (well taken care of, not modded or only good mods) then go for it
>>29002868Buy it anon. It’s an incredible car and like you said, they are severely underpriced. Its only negative is it’s only sold in automatic now.Annoyances:>had to spend $40 replacing the relays in the wheel well (took 10mins while I had it on the lift)>had to replace / eliminate plastic bleeder screws>oil level sensor sucks (not an issue in the QV, which actually has a dipstick)You’ll want to install adjustable camber arms up front, maybe brake cooling ducts, and I would seriously consider a prefacelift model if you want to save a ton of money. Naturally it may have more issues than a new car, tech won’t be as up to date, but they softened up the steering a bit on the new cars and the older analog gauges are better.
>>29002868just get a m3 bro
>>29002868if you buy a new one you will likely experience a CEL within 6 months, and after that never again. as >>29002892 said they're incredible. unlike what he said, get the facelift if you get a qv because 2024 and later get a limited slip diff instead of electronic black box active clutch based torque vectoring. more consistent feel, more predictable, not prone to overheating in severe duty like consecutive laps. if you do get the pre-24, there's an aftermarket swap for a real lsd
>>29002878Like I said I live 15 mins from Alfa Romeo HQ in the US (Rochester, MI) and there are tons of specialists nearby it seems. I'm only interested in the top end model. >>29002892I don't think it was ever sold in manual in the US which is why I opted for the Z instead in late 2024 when dealers started begging for you to buy them. But I need rear seats and I'm in my mid 30s and don't want to look like a boyracer anymore. Also its pretty much a one to one trade for the ones I've looked at. A few I actually pocket money.>>29002903I'm not a track hound. This would be for daily and fun driving, and just the novelty of having a cool thing.
>>29002956>This would be for daily and fun driving, and just the novelty of having a cool thing.if you want maximum novelty, them get a pre-24 which will have a physical instrument cluster instead of a digital clusterthey really wasted the digital cluster's potential by only having 3 designs of circular dial instead of truly differentiating designs
>>29002870>chinkshit>car was designed and is manufactured in Italy???
buy a maserati
>>29002966>manufacturedAssembled
>>29002903>>29002956Ah yeah, forgot the mechanical diff on post 2024 models. Can be retrofitted but it’s expensive. >>29002956I haven’t driven a new Z but I imagine it will handle about the same but have 4 doors. The Giulia is what BMWs claim to be (a 4 door sports car). I would probably buy a MT from Europe and try importing it under show & display if I had money to burn.
>>29003135The vast majority of the parts are also made in Italy. But the transmission is German, you got me there.
>>29002868Do it. I was buying a car fall 2021 and bought a 4 cylinder. This was in the lot at the same time. I should've bought it but I was buying a house and my down payment and closing costs was 300k. I also would've needed separate winter wheels/tires. It's been great though. No electrical or mechanical problems in 4 years. Only tire issues because it's potholes and 35 profile tires.
>>29003213I think the QV will be a future classic someday and is way more special, but you get virtually the same driving experience at 1/10th the cost with a hybrid turbo and a 2.0t.
ok niggers, wife said she didn't mind and to do what I want. Bought a 2019 QV with 35k on odo. Good bye nissan Z
>>29003843hell yeah
>>29003843Based
>>29003843Let's fucking go
>>29003843great choice, now post pics and price faggot. Note: While the QV has fewer random issues than the 2.0t, some maintenance is (predictably) more expensive. Start searching for good independents in the area, get AlfaOBD/MultiECU Scan on your phone and an obdlink mx+ bluetooth OBD reader so you never have to guess on issues and can do basic stuff yourself (also an SGW bypass plug and some extender cables to make removal easy before taking to the dealer). Get the metal bleeder screw from alfissimo ($20, maybe $10 if you search on aliexpress/temu) or delete the bleeder joint entirely with a size nw16, 90 degree VDA quick connector ($10 from aliexpress, plus a new ~30mm clamp, maybe an hour of asspain).
>>29003154>The vast majority of the parts are also made in Italy. But the transmission is GermanIn reality, it's a Chinese car
>>29004005Oh, also make sure you get the six different colored obd cables when you get this stuff. Basically all of it is available on aliexpress for under $100 (except the obdlink, although they do sell older knock-offs too) This will let you do a proxy alignment, reset service intervals, reset diagnostic codes for everything, live monitoring on your phone, and do all basic maintenance without the dealer (or fix things quickly if someone screws up) Apparently AlfaOBD lets you create new keys too, although I haven’t needed that.
>>29002868No major mechanical problems, as long as you service it properly. Leave the OBD port alone, plugging in shit can cause odd effects like triggering "service electronic throttle control". Keep battery topped, low voltage causes odd behavior. Don't refill fuel too late as the fuel pump is fuel cooled. The major maintenance point (at least for qv, unknown for i4) is the serpentine built which is an engine out (belt on rear of engine).
>>29004006You're a fucking dumbass
>>29004019it’s not engine out, but it is a pain in the asshttps://youtu.be/xX8YkfYxSB0
Different dealers can charge from 1k-4k for the serpentine belt service according to giuliaforums
I'm currently in the market for a stelvio quad or a f pace svr. Absolutely has to be a green alfa but they're rare as hens teeth
>>29002868>buying alt premium
Saw an early MT 2L Giulia parked in the neighborhood the other day. Shame they weren't based enough to keep that stick shift.
>>29004164I just got my belt changed at an indie shop, charged just under 1700 for the whole 40k mile service including beltpretty reasonable, and the British shop that posts photo instructions of how to diy the belt change charges 1k gbp
best handling and emotional 4 door car on the market by a huge margin.biggest issue are the column mounted flappy paddles instead of steering wheel mounted like it should be
>>29004591Personally I prefer that, but I know why people find it irritating.Btw, how much delay is there between paddle inputs and shifts? I tried manual shifting a Škoda with a DCT and it was such a disappointment because the shift happened like a second and a half after I pushed the shifter. VW's DSG DCT is supposed to be lightning fast, but what's the fucking point in that with an input delay like that?
>>29004629depends on what mode you're in. regular drive modes will be about a quarter second. fun drive modes will complete before the paddle can return to its resting position. if there's an arrow next to the selected gear indicator, that's telling you that the transmission has preselected the next gear up >>29004591giant column mounted honkers are good though?
This car is fully wrenchable and its hillarious the doom and gloom retarded boomers on the internet spread. The belt is a 2 hour job. Oil changes are easy. The recall fuel module is a 2 hour DIY. If you can change a tire, you can unstick a yellow caliper and change pads. Plugs are easy. QV is cheaper on parts and maintenance, and easier to troubleshoot and work on, than my old Saab 9-5 Aero. No question about it. Is this going to be one of those mechanic special cars? Probably. I dont suspect it will ever go the level of the Chevy SS, that car is valuable because a gorilla could figure it out.
>>29004949Fuel pump recall only affects non-QVs right? >>29004629You can buy the GTAm transmission (and suspension) tune off schniz (sic) on giuliaforums. I’d do the transmission tune at least. Honestly, the paddles are nicely done but it feels like wankery.
>>29005050IDK, I'd be afraid of nuking that tranny. I would assume the delay is there for a reason, maybe it helps the longevity?
>>29005050fuel pump also affects pre-2020 QVs (and some post-20 where Benito grabbed a leftover) but yours could have already had it done
>>29003843
>>29004481My uncle has a stelvio and does the belt in his garage.
>>29005993>that gifGLP alumni?
>>29006220yeah you can do it, stelvio QV specifically needs the front taken off while the giulia can make do
I hear a lot about how people take the i4 cars and tune them with good results, to the point where they say a qv isn't worth it.Is that cope?A qv is getting so cheap now but so are the lesser trims.Been eyeing something like this for a while and the fact they are just tanking in price has me pretty interested.I'd be willing to do a lot of the work myself so I don't think maintenance costs are going to be anywhere near what people say.
>>29002868Had a neighbor who bought a Guilia and after a month it broke down and sat in his driveway until his wife divorced him and he sold it for $6k lol
What are some things to keep an eye out when shopping for one of these? A QV being sold local to me and it looks loaded, with a clean carfax to boot. I’ve read battery and serpentine belt change are the big ones to make sure were changed outHow do they hold up as a daily? I’m not a retard and always keep my car well maintained
>>29006262the 2L was developed by taking the 2.9 and removing stuff to a budget. it's fundamentally the same car with a lighter, lower power motor. you won't get the same top end but the i4 loves boost and the AWD i4 can match a QV from a stop or roll, and will have a weight advantage in curves. but the valvetrain on the i4 has a limited lifespan of about 90k to 140k miles, and it's a replacement, not a repair. the QV engine itself is very reliable, as long as you do oil every 5k instead of 10k and use the recommended spec of oil. >>29006652look at the oil change interval, look for electrical issues that don't seem resolved on the carfax, look at whether the belt has been done if it's coming up. outside of that, check and make sure the dash leather isn't showing any white substrate around the edges. if all that seems good and you don't feel anything off on a test drive then go ahead and buy it. if they haven't done the belt and it's due but not overdue, try and get a concession there
>>290062622.0t lacks:>big brakes/rotors>adaptive suspension (usually)>LSD (usually, but easy to retrofit)>probably some other stuff>race mode (easy to retrofit)>can’t turn off stability control fully>down 200hp vs the QV>radiator / cooling for high hp>carbon wankeryYou can easily get to 380-400hp on the 2.0t with just a turbo mod and a tune, but I don’t know if I’ve seen someone really go above that. Since it weighs a fair bit less than the QV I think it’s a good option.
>>29002868I love mine. 2018 with no real problems. I had to replace the battery this spring, but I babied it with a battery tender the last 2 years when the temps went below -10F or so.
>>29006875I've heard the start/stop bullshit is what kills the battery.
>>29006700when buying one with sketchy history, is there any known indication of abuse/neglect?Thinking about specific things wearing down, certain noises appearing etc
>>29002868i'm not a fan this car is not tranny approved
>>29006947He drives in the snow probably. The 2018 is the perfect height to just slap on snow tires and be good to go. He has a non QV but the QV could legit snap the trillion dollar carbon fiber useless complexity active aero lip on a bit of snow.
>>29002868I always wondered why who is buying these types of shitboxes, guarantee you that car is a huge piece of shit
>>29004088I think dealer service has them drop the engine or at least remove the entire front bumper. Still pain in the ass either way
>>29006877The battery causes the stop-start to fail, but you might be right in that it could be a cause.I disabled mine semi-permanently in 3 minutes. So now it defaults to stop-start being off, not on.
>>29007021I live in minnesnowta.
>>29006902shiny leather is a sure sign of neglect on these, if the leather is clogged with human and/or food grease then the owner didn't give a fuck. for some reason the leather turns shiny pretty easily. you can also see if the previous owner has changed the original plastic coolant bleeder screw for a metal screw. if he has then it's been taken care of
>>29006902Look at the car and kick the tires real hard. Pop open the hood and make sure the engine is there, then ask the owner where the dip stick is. Don't pull the dip stick out, then look at the back, put the back of your hand to the exhaust and make sure its warm. Make sure turn signals work. Rev it up a bit. Honk the horn once but for like a split second. Just about all you need to do for any car. Then start writing a check for the exact amount. When they say its cash only or something else, say you'll come back later and rush to the nearest bank, open a bank account to pull the money out.
>>29006877the US market batteries are just dogshit. Only market that seems to have these issues and it’s because they used shitty batteries. >note: if you switch battery types make sure to program it correctly.
>>29007093Your battery was great man. 8-9 years on 1 battery? That's amazing.
>>29002868im too autistic to buy an autotragic car but the giula in that color is almost convincing enough. ocra yellow looks great as well.
>>29007093How do you permanently disable that shit in Giulia and in general? I know that for VAGens there's VTFS that can shut off all that shit.
>>29007816Start/Stop deactivator module
>>29007889>You have to plug in some shady device into a headlights panel connector to set a feature you don't want off by defaultholy kek new car ownership is the biggest humiliation ritual known to man
>>29007975In theory you could build one to click the switch internally on startup. Seeing >>29007093>disabled mine semi-permanently in 3 minutesmakes it seem like an easy fix.
>>29007975Not anywhere near as cucked as having to buy new style expensive jack stands for cars made for 2 post lifts only.
>>29005993I'm not sure what you want to see. >>29007612I'm coming out of a manual, had the chance to get a pearl white, was looking at this car for years already... I don't think its the exact shade of Z32 KH6 white, my favorite color, but pearl is pearl.
Also if anyone wants it, here is the complete service manual. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1DsoimGT2svG0VvFCDeyMRKVOobLt7OhHran a pypdf script to merge these so I could run them locally with RAG + any local LLM and have an AI shop manual. Its about 9k pages in all.
>>29007975The fact that there are no nannies in my car telling me I need a nap or that the car in front of me is doing something silly helps me with the butthurt.
>>29008188just buy a new jack bro.
>>29008225>could choose between red, blue or green but goes for white insteadvans and rentals are white.. get some better taste
>>29007214>Look at the car and kick the tires real hard. Pop open the hood and make sure the engine is there, then ask the owner where the dip stick is.Toop kek
>>29008244>ran a pypdf script to merge these so I could run them locally with RAG + any local LLM and have an AI shop manual. Its about 9k pages in all.That's kick ass, dude.Thanks!
>>29008558Or just wrap or get it painted.
>>29008558 My NPC car in a color I love makes your car stand out even more. If anything you should be thanking me.
>>29008432>ACKKek>>29008273Well newer Giulias surely have the nannies and record your face because they are legally mandated to.
>>29008818>Well newer Giulias surely have the nannies and record your face because they are legally mandated to.>2018not my problem
>>29004005>>29004010I have everything now but can't decide between Alfa or MES. Any recommendations on either one? I have a dedicated windows laptop for this. I also see that MES has a warning to use a phsyical cable for any writing.
>>29008225>I'm not sure what you want to seeThe car, man. That's a nice pearl white.>>29008244Gem, nice one. Hard to find decent service info for these>>29009009I've got both but I've mostly just stuck to MES as it's the official software. Newer versions can do more things like turbo wastegate relearns and whatnot, AlfaOBD does specific things like new key programming in a user friendly way but I like the clunky PC interface and cables for programming/codes/resets and whatnot.
>>29008818>>29008831what model year was the last one to not get nannies?2020?
>>29008244thanks fren. Do you know of a good service to OCR old scans of manuals? I have a 4000 page pdf in Japanese I want to OCR.
>>29009239I think it's still optional?
>>29010135Camera bullshit is already mandatory on 2024 vehicles. 2020 was the next nanny rollout cycle.
>>29009092>I've got both but I've mostly just stuck to MES as it's the official software. Newer versions can do more things like turbo wastegate relearns and whatnot, AlfaOBD does specific things like new key programming in a user friendly way but I like the clunky PC interface and cables for programming/codes/resets and whatnot.Thanks. Tried them both and I liked the MES trial the best. Gotta still figure out most of it. Hopefully it has a data logging and export feature like Nisscan. I used to run that and analyze at home. Looks like this car has eight different computers including one for each bank which is pretty crazy.
>>29008432I just bought some of these https://jackpointjackstands.com/products/pair-of-jackpoint-jackstands-with-low-profile-pad
>>29010231About as high as a standard jack at minimum height if anyone considered these.
>>29008803painting cars is so absurdly expensive that I cant tell if this is a shitpost or you're a kid.
Are there any physical differences between 2017 and later model years for the 2.0? Any imperfections they corrected since?
>>29014769Even wraps cost a lot these days
>>29015300>open boot>can see the old paint straight awaywraps are cringe and always look out of place
>>29015513Guess what, if you get your car painted, its going to be an insane ask to get someone to paint your engine bay or under all the trim unless they completely disassemble the car. >>29015282If its 2018 or later in the door frame, youll need a secure gateway bypass module to log anything to the car. Just a heads up since you can have a 2018 model year that's made in 2017.
>>29002868>black wheelspre riced teh fuck out auto only carmax car what the fuck are you doing little wrenchlet? are you retarded?
>>29019444That is a stock image.
>>29015282>Are there any physical differences between 2017 and later model years2020+ gets more relaxed Ackerman angles in steering that prevents the tires from chirping at full lock but makes turn in less twitchy. 2021 was the final year for a bunch of colors like dark green or dark blue, plus chocolate interior. 2024 gets a lcd-only instrument cluster and new lights front and tail which imo isn't worth the extra tooling
>>29019589That's why I said pre riced, this shit was riced out during the research phase of development.
>>29019444>pre ricedso, stock
>>29020743Yea and you bought it, what does that make you? It makes you a ricer and a wrenchlet. Add in your trannime fetish and you have the holy Trinity of helplessness.
>>29020746what site or you on, retard?
>>29020756Ricerheaven.com, faggit wrenchlet
>>29020743Lilly best girlThough could never be on /o/
You can't be a true petrolhead until you've owned an Alfa Romeo.
>>29002868>All that ESL shitPlease ask how I know you are a thirdie bullshitter.
>>29020796Suddenly, I want to doodle Lilly driving an Alfa
>>29002868The only problem I had with the 2018 was with the battery, and I finally replaced it last year, after babying it with a tender in the winter. It gets down to -20F so it was just common sense.I think the shocks are starting to go; i'm going to check it out tomorrow on my day off.>>29002868That green is sexo
>>29006700What's this business about the valve train?
i heard these aren't reliable.
>>29025244you heard wrong
>>29025244What stellantis? Nah dude they're great they have fully committed to bringing customers quality products at reasonable prices. Don't let internet horror stories fool you this is a honest company that has been building cars for a century now.
>>29025244They are pretty reliable actually. At the level of any BMW you'd see. In any case, the argument or even idea of "reliability" being a factor for a car enthusiasts, that should be wrenching on their own car anyways, is laughable. If you care about that, buy a Camry and stop posting on /o/. Pretty much any interesting and fun car will be "unreliable" compared to whatever metric you think of using.
>>29003064I know you just want to yoink the V8 out of those things, don't lie anon(I do too)
>>29024389the 2L multiair system specifically (not so much the fiat models) is liable to break between 90k and about 130k miles, and it's not really a repairable system. it's a simple replacement job, but you need to buy the whole unit instead of fixing a small bit of it. >>29025244they're about as reliable as any other car made today. sensitive to battery voltage and oil spec/additives, but assuming you don't treat your belongings like shit you'll be alright.
