What's the last year from which cars don't spy you?
>>29005210Kinda depends on what you consider spying. If you mean telemetry then that'll be around the time GM introduced OnStar. If you include datalogging only then you'll probably have to go back to non-computerized carbureted cars.
>>29005213How are people gonna datalog me in my 2008 Camry. It hasn't left my garage. Glowies haven't come in the night to install a bug in it. Why would you need to go back to carburettor cars. Wtf is being datalogged in my car.
>>29005210IIRC depends on brand. The earliest spy cars are GMs from 1996, but it took a long time before every car had it.
Depends. Even my ‘22 doesn’t have a SIM card, google/apple integration, or GPS and has zero surveillance.Most cars with a SIM card can be surveiled in theory, it really depends on the manufacturer. If it has a camera pointed at the driver, definitely it’s fucked. The more recent the more likely.First post is sorta wrong, most cars until recently only stored 5 seconds of data and don’t transmit anything.
>>29005210>What's the last year from which cars don't spy you?Generally speaking 2015 or so.As this anon said >>29005237the GMs with OnStar were already spying on people in the 90s. But most cars didn't have the equipment to be sending out data until after 2015 or so. It depends on make and model.
>>29005210Umm-hmm aktually you need to stop being paranoid
>>29005245I don't know who this is but anyone this genetically mixed should be killed with hammers.
>>29005241>Buy deleted and tuned 2014 Volkswagen >Plug in $2000 Snap-On Scanner>"Telemetry disabled">GPS still functions.What did they mean by this?
>>29005360gps isn't data telemetry you dumb faggot
>>290052102015After 2015 they required black boxes to record car inputs shortly before collisions. There's OnStar as well but not too many cars had that so I don't count it because it's not like the black boxes where it's mandatory for all vehicles. From 2015 it only got worse
>heh there's no way for anyone to spy on me in my shitb- ACK!
>>29005210it literally doesn't matter, these fuckers will track your every movement on every public road. as will your cell phone.
>>29005213OBD1 didn't really datalog.You cant plug in and see what your max speed was last Tuesday. Even OBD2 was severely limited early on.
At this point, if you don't want to be constantly spied on you have to move to a third world country.
>>29005396You're so dumb that you're a useful tool for malicious actors. Stupid bitch doesn't know about these hard counters. Also YOU CAN LEAVE YOUR PHONE. Can't do that if you own a snitchmobile car.
Fun fact, you can buy $35 new full smartphones at wall market with removable batteries. They’re meant to be prepaid so they recoup the losses on the phone price, but you can swap a same-carrier regular sim into them.
>>29005210Pontiacs, Buicks, GMCs
>>29005210Depends, on Lexus around 2014 starts sending info back to the Hive mind.
>>29005210Any car, as long as you find the antenna and have a pair of wire cutters.
>>29005567putting your phone into a faraday cage drains battery as the phone keeps searching for network.just turn airplane mode on lmao
>>29005396I forget phones exist sometimes. I usually leave mine at home anyway.Believe it or not, it is possible to travel without a single computer chip at all. (No, my motorbike does not have EFI)
>>29005213>>29005237>>29005244>>29005392>>29005634It’s worth pointing out that cars equipped with the old On Star system no longer send and receive data since those use a deprecated 2G wireless communication system that doesn’t operate anymore. The 3G systems (~2010+) still work, though, AFAIK.
>>29005210The answer is 1971 for US, 1957 for UK, I would not trust a Nip, Kraut, Frog, etc. car post-1945.
>>29006215do you think cars just started having demons imbued into them or something? how do cars that old spy on you?
>>290062053g network is gone, lots of VA subarus with starlink have parasitic power draw because the starlink unit tries to connect to the nonexistant network continuously.
>>29005362>gps isn't data telemetry you dumb faggot"GPS" can be based on cellular telemetry. For instance, Chryslers from about 2010 on use cellular data for location via an aircard in the radio (which conveniently fries itself most of the time). Volkswagen may have done the same.
>>29005412I included OBD1 since the data WAS available to those with the specialized equipment (read: factory engineers) if you had it ordered done. There was a court case back in the day that brought this to light where a C4 Corvette crashed and killed people and and in the ensuing court case it was ordered that the datalog be accessed. The very existence of this data, which was not generally known at the time, set all the period's "they're spying on us" schizos off for a while. People calmed down a bit when it was pointed out that this data was not available to just any scan tool. Or even the dealer-level Tech I's and II's. IIRC the case hinged on throttle setting at impact. Don't recall hearing the outcome.
>>29005210Whatever does not have a shark fin antenna.
>>29006437The data involved, even in non-sim cars from the last 5 years was just 5 seconds of like 7 channels of data. I’ve had several cars totaled, nobody ever asked to get data from the car. Very different from an active AI software system that scores your driving via unknown metrics and sends your score to your insured company, even if you weren’t the one driving.
>>29006443NTA, but it IS still available and since I'm not a mind reader to determine what level of schizo OP is it's potentially includable in what he was asking.
>>29006446I don’t know. I’m pretty schizo, been diagnosed with autism, adhd, psychosis, bipolar, antisocial, borderline, and probably others.I can clearly see that a potential 5 seconds of info isn’t shit compared to SIM card telemetry, constant logging, phone integration, and driver facing cameras.
>>29006448I vaguely recall the data also includes what the last maximums were so have fun when the manufacturer sends a ninja team armed with 30+ yo electronics to access that data and voids your (nonexistent) warranty because you went WOT one time.
>>29006450The normal, non-SIM system records like 3-5 seconds of data. Even what you are saying were true, going 170 a week ago doesn’t legally imply you were at fault for an accident today. Black boxes are fine, the rest? No.
>>29006453I would've thought the last answer made it clear I was done with this but you're clearly even more bored than I am, so, ta-ta!
>>290064573-5 seconds of data isn’t even comparable to telemetry sent live. How do you not see that?
>>29005567>faraday>hard counternah, your phone still tracks gyroscope/accelerometer stuff, so as soon as you reconnect, apps that use that data just update. you can see this is you use crap like google maps. put it in a faraday cage, go drive around a bit, take it out, then go to your google account settings and look at location history. viola, all the places you went during your faraday cage "black out" is there. its a lot more rough, of course because onboard gyro/accel isnt that great, but its still good enough.>i dont use google or google mapsgood, but its just an example. literally anything that has permission to read from the gyro/accel can use this data, so, hopefully you know exactly how everything on your phone works.a much, much simpler/faster check is to just see if your phone goes from landscape to portrait while in a faraday cage. it doesnt need any communication to know up from down, sideways to upright.tl;dr a faraday is only a temporary soft counter
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>>29005210doesn't matter when 10 ALPR cameras tracked you on every drive and every POS took a picture of your face when you pumped some gas or bought some McNuggets or a 7/11 glizzy
the "turn your phone off!" thing always gets me. lets be real, lets say you/me are running a surveillance system. someone im tracking, their phone turns off/loses cellular service at 3 pm on a tuesday at their home, when the battery was at 75%? IMMEDIATE red flag, the black vans are already half way there. their phone "turns off" and their license plate shows up at the intersection 5 minutes later? already got my boys on the way to add more bugs to the living room, your clearly gone. does not use the bog standard OS on their phone? i CANT just backdoor it? 4 seperate tails on them, all with evidence ready to plant.any of these steps you do to "hide" might as well be screaming into the air "IM DOING SOMETHING" while firing flare guns into the air. it sucks ass, but face reality. 99.99% of people do not do these things, and if the goverment really is this evil giant entity trying to track your every move they wont play fucking fair, be serious for one moment.
I don't know, I stopped caring about new cars when they put EGR into everything in the early 00's.
>>29005210obviously depends.cars ECU that constantly log data that act as a black box that will rat you out in an at fault accident, since around ~2010cars that have carplay/android auto and or any built in sim are constantly ratting you out.pic related is a 2021
>>29005210~1995 (pre-OBD2)>>29009433Based take. EGR + direct injection = nut blasting your valves every 100k km.
>>29009430I can see you glowing from here.
>>29009439>toyotajew strikes again
>>29006437You could livestream data with specialized equipment, even my OBD-II EEC IV lacks native internal data logging and doesn't store event data like newer cars.
>anon thinks he is important enough to be spied on thread
>>29006657I remember some anon posting back in 2011 how google maps automatically tracks you wherever you go on mobile devices unless you turn it off in your account settings and everyone shitting bricks, now normies don't care.
>>29010443It's not a question of personal importance retard.If money can be made by selling your logged data to insurance companies, why wouldn't manufacturers capitalize on that revenue stream?
>>29010443The average person commits like 5 felonies a year wether they know it or notHow long before they decide to selectively enforce the law on me because I dont support the current thing™Look at the uk,, arrests for social media posts, hell it happens here too, fuck you and fuck this gay earth
>>29010946>handrubbing intensifies
>>29010946I commit at least 5 different felonies most days.I am committing felonies 24/7, nonstop. I'm committing at least one felony right now.I've never hurt anyone, extorted anyone, cheated a government system, or stolen anything.Think about that.Fuck surveillance.
>>29010946>The average person commits like 5 felonies a yearhappeningfag retardism>>29010966>i NEED my recreational drug that does almost nothingweed laws are retarded but this is still funny
>>29010975Is it funny?Modern "antidepressants" have been proven to not even work. The neurotransmitter imbalance theory has been fully disproven, all "antidepressants" do is cause brain damage.Weed at least works a little bit and hasn't been proven to cause brain damage. I don't relish the taking away of things that others enjoy - Golden Rule - should laugh when someone else is punished for doing something they enjoy, you should accept greater punishment for your actual indiscretions.
>>29010966If you're not doing crimes what do you have to worry about?
>>29010984That's exactly what I'm saying.I do commit crimes, reckless driving and weed. Never shot a gun, never stolen a thing, never even cheated on taxes, if I don't have documentation I give the IRS the benefit.The laws can change at any time. 1 year and one week ago I could buy 12,000mg packs of weed gummies in stores, one day it became a felony.If you support mass surveillance, never forget that laws can change in an instant. It's weed today, it might be what you like tomorrow. Once you say "you've got nothing to hide" and they enact surveillance, they can simply change the laws to control anyone - don't give your government that power, regime changes constantly here.
>>29010991Thank you for spelling it out for the retards in the back. Won't change anything though. Patriot Act was the beginning of the end in the US. When the NSA was revealed to have backdoor access and was spying on all Americans the dissenters were shot down with the same excuses. "Nothing to hide, nothing to fear" and "what about the safety of children?"Then the news cycle switches focus to some protests about a black being shot or a sportball championship or assholes killing eachother over arbitrary bullshit, or any other retarded distractions the narrative demands. I'm going to leave my phone at home and go for a nice drive in my car from 1995. Spotify? Subscription services? Miss me with that shit. Finally using my iPod and CDs again.
As the internet gets worse I'm spending more time touching grass. Disconnect from the machine. And fulfill your civic duty by cutting down your local flock cameras.
>>29010981most ssris arent prescribed for "depression" which isn't even real
>>29005408Sadly this. All the efforts that people take to not be tracked are immediately nullified by Flock and other similar technology. Unless you live in the middle of bumfuck nowhere that's stuck in the late-20th century and don't have a phone or computer, you're being tracked. For every 1 measure that you take, big tech already tracked you 10 different ways and already have a full data profile on you down to your pubic hairs. Doesn't mean that you shouldn't continue to be cautious with your data, but you can't not be tracked.
>>29009790am i wrong
>>29005210if you turn john hurt 90 degrees to the left this pic basically shows a modern car's interioralso my uncle had a prominent production role in this film, it's nice to see it reposted
>>29009430>keep my phone on>leave it at homeeven if you see me do that, it's nothing special. I leave it at home every time I go out.
>>29011572>Unless you live in the middle of bumfuck nowhere that's stuck in the late-20th centuryThis sounds beautiful. Where do I sign up?
>>29009430It's not even just that, modern smart phones literally have built in reserves to always be able to ping home even when the device is turned off, and still logging your shit even when the device is disabled and in airplane mode. Unless you are using a burner flip phone that you can physically remove the battery from, it's safe to assume it's keeping tabs on you.
>>29005392>black boxesCan they be disabled or spoofed? I guess it would fuck your warranty but forget that.
>>29011721translation: you leave your phone completely unattended. a flock camera scans your license plate/face confirming your infact out of the house. we go in and compromise it.>>29011733theres just no good way to combat it. like the poster im responding to above, leaving their phone home every time they leave? red flag. so few people would actually leave their phone at home because its used for so much shit these days.fun fact: its only been...9 days, since the supreme court ruled you CANT compel third party sources to reveal all your location history without a warrent, if you had been pinged within a certain distance of a crime.until that point, if you had driven past a crime with google maps on your phone running, the police could, without a warrant, look at your gps data for whatever range/time frame they felt was applicable. cool, huh. Chatrie v. United States.>>29011785if they can determine you did so with the intent to conceal a crime, like speeding, its extra charges.
>>29011788I am the poster above. I hardly use my phone, probably 70% of the time it's so low on battery that it cannot turn on.I'm Australian and we don't have flock cameras, but we do have government cameras hanging off street-lights that I am always tempted to vandalise.My car is a 98, doesn't send anything. I have two bikes, I'm sure neither sends anything (one doesn't even have EFI/ABS/anything) but if somebody wanted to follow me on a camera it would be pretty easy to verify I'm the same guy they saw on another camera somewhere else, even if they didn't catch the number plate.
>>29009430>leaves phone ON at home>swaps license plateok now what
>>29012457>swaps license plateflock scans it, and an automated system notes its the first time this plate as been seen, eitherA) ever, its a totally fake plate. red flagB) in this location, this plate appears to have magically teleported from its last location, bypassing several flock cameras along the way. red flag.it notifies a manual check by a human, the human looks at goes "huh, thats not a red toyota corrola, thats a white ford f150"a police officer is dispatched to arrest you. as an added bonus, your car is impounded immediately, as without legal plates, it cannot be legally driven on the road. you spend an estimated 5 to 90 days incarcerated.
>>29012645What fucking place do you live that these cameras existIve only ever seen stoplight cameras and most of the time those are 10 years old and do not work anymoreAlso cops literally dont have time for that
>>29012669if your the australian, then the equivalent system is the license plate scanners (ANPR) on police cars that automatically track/identify license plates. so unless you live somewhere with zero police presence, you do infact, have a surveillance system already in place>Also cops literally dont have time for thatgreat news! with A.I being integrated into these systems, its all done automatically. is that lovely? it gets it right....mostly.anyways, if your solution to being tracked is "live somewhere they dont track", thats fine, it is honestly the best solution. just, your world is getting smaller every day. what are you going to do if you need to go into town? go to a hospital? visit your parents or friends who do live in surveilled areas?
>>29012736>if your solution to being tracked is "live somewhere they dont track", thats fine, it is honestly the best solution.NTA, I'm a luddite, live in a swamp in Alabama, and can't see my neighbors' property it's that far away. Even here there's a Flock camera less than a mile away.
1995
>>29012739grim as fuck, but yeah. what can you do? just wait till this tech is applied to drones that just do periodic sweeps over the country? whats the solution, live in a cave and never see the light of day?
>>29012763>whats the solutionHow was America founded? That's the solution.
>>29012771well, good luck. id recommend doing this sooner rather then later, considering mass surveillance helps the government keep the status quo.
>>29012778Oh I'm not going to do it. I'm a hikikomori who has panic attacks just from going to the grocery store. But, I will tell others that it is the way. Because it actually is the only way. The time for diplomacy has gone. What other solution is there? Violence, at some point, is the only option left.
>>29012739You live in the middle of nowhereBreak the fucker
>>29012796I've thought about it, I've parked there with a machete and wire cutters. But there are at least 12 cameras on that intersection, despite being in the middle of fucking nowhere. I hit the Flock cam and they still have my license plate.I guess I could just walk there...That doesn't change anything, however. You don't attack the symptom, you attack the cause. If I take down a camera, the media would present it as a "deranged insane loner" doing something wrong. It's extremely difficult to attack this. I think diplomacy would be nice, but they aren't going to give it up.
>>29012796what does that accomplish? they will put another one back up, and itll come out of your taxes.
>>29012813Break that one too>>29012801Guns also work
>>29012815they put up two, facing each other. comes out of your taxes.
>>29012669https://maps.deflock.org/?lat=30.7195&lng=-98.5650&zoom=1.99
>>29012832anon hes probably the aussie poster, there probably isnt an american alive not aware of the flock system already (who is also using the internet successfully).
>>29012818Break emGuns also work
>>29012832>>29012838No im americanNever heard about this in my life. Only flock i know is a flock of seagullsLast camera i heard of was those illegal redlight cameras that cut on early and give you tickets
>>29005236>it doesnt leave my garageEventually you might need to bring it to a toyota dealer for something you can't do yourself, their code readers can(and will) pull the telemetry data from your ECU while they're checking fault codes.
>>29012842oh well where do you live, in general, we will point out all the nearest flock cameras
>>29012853Redmond, oregan
>>29012860is the world really that fucking small now, thats literally where i was born, even if im the aussie anon in the thread. FUCK.anyways theres 24 flock cameras in redmond. they were suspended december 2025 because of fears of law enforcement using them for immigration stuff, but prior to that, they had been in active use for about 1 year. there was also 4 in Bend. if you were in any of these places on the map with red dots in the year 2025, you were likely recorded.and now you know what flock is. learn something new every day, huh
>>29005236You are picked up on hundreds of cameras everywhere you go, even just ring doorbells capture al that, let alone all the other cameras.Carry a phone?Pay for anything?Wear a smartwatch?Post on the internet?Get over it
>>29012943>Get over it>Step on me harder daddy!Is there a difference between these statements?
>>29012994>i will fight this ocean of piss by pissing in itgood luck. the reality is that you cant hide, you can only flood. turning your phone off is pointless. trading your phone once a day with 7 different friends so that tracking a phone is pointless is useful.go ahead, draw attention under the guise of "sticking it to the man" while other less stupid people actually combat it in a useful way.
>>29012999>Makes fun of someone for not wanting to be surveilled.>Rants about this one neat trick to avoid surveillance.You’re mentally retarded.
>>29013002no, im making fun of people who think they CAN defeat being surveilled. im offering solutions to obfuscate being surveilled. you can surveil my phone all you want. is it with me? is with johnny down the road? im not stopping you from surveilling my phone. im obfuscating ownership.
>>29013015My option is spreading awareness that it exists so people will (reasonably) take it down. Better than stealing a flock cam in a fit of rage or doing some weird SIM card swapping scheme. You attack the core of you want change, doing some tinfoil hat shit isn’t as effective as changing the law.
>>29013023flock is just one thing, its not the core of anything. phones do this, cars do this, browsers do this. elminating flock does not stop google, apple, toyota, hyundai, lexus, ford, microsoft, samsung, the list goes on.>changing the lawyoud have to change it at a supreme court level and it would have to include banning outright all technology from countries outside of your own location, since it would be neigh impossible to force china or russia to comply with your requirements. which means youd have to give up basically all computer chip related equipment, the fabrication in taiwan, yadda yadda. no more pacemakers, no more medical equipment, blah blah blah.its kinda too late, unless your willing to go back and restart from the 18th century tech wise.
>>29013034> its kinda too lateThat’s the attitude that lets the slippery slide keep on sliding.You can submit to anal rape or you can fight, which are you?
>>29013041lmao its not a slippery slope, its freefall from orbit
>>29013050It is of no one is willing to stand up against it.
>>29013052right, which would be...uh, making yourself stand out as hard as humanely possible as fast as possible by doing the most obvious things, apparently.
>>29013055As opposed to letting the rape just happen? Yes.
>>29013055Do you know where you are?
>>29005210generally speaking the 2010salthough some cars like GM with onstar have spyware since the 1990s
What makers are the easiest to remove telemetry from? I read removing the TCU is easy but incomplete from the manufacturers spying on you.
>>29012943>because there is a pound of shit put on your door every morning means you just need to accept the pallet of shit I want to drop at your door every day tooNo. I don't welcome Palantir Flock Livewview or any other cameras and I don't welcome this either. Just because I have less power over one doesn't mean I will allow a dick up my ass. Posts like yours should be an auto and public bannable offense.
>>29014898>i wont take that shit!>he posts from an ISP plan linked to his bank and home addressdumb dumb dumb dumb
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>>29015612Explain how a 1996 car tracks you more than one from 1995.
>>29016223OnStar
>>29005413UN Agenda 2030 includes global digital ID
