Redpill me on engine braking vs normal braking
>>29010398brake pads and rotors are cheaper than anything involved with the gearbox. dont do it, unless youre going down a hill.
>>29010398Unless you're towing engine braking is for ricer faggots. Instead of wearing out your cheap pads and rotors you're wearing out your expensive synchros and expensive driveline components.
>>29010400holy shit a smarter person on /o/
>>29010414its simple mathematics. same with oil changes. far cheaper than anything going wrong with the pistons
>>29010398if you are in a manual trans car I would only ever downshift one time to get more engine braking, maybe two times (say from 6th to 4th on an offramp) unless you are going down a very very steep hillyou definitely don't need to downshift all the way to 2nd (or god forbid 1st) every time you come up to a red light, just brake then put it into neutral when the revs get too low and put it back into first when you have a green
>>29010400>>29010401>>29010414>>29010416>>29010420you're not gonna break or wear out anything by engine braking unless you money shift like a retard or select too low of a gear and you drag the clutch.
Engine braking does not cause increased wear. The forces involved are fuck all in comparison to what your drivetrain experiences when you give it some throttle.Just don't money shift into first and overrev your shit
The question is does engine braking cause engine breaking.
i thought engine braking was just taking your foot off the gas and coasting
>>29010565It is
>>29010565No, you also need to shift into a lower gear than you normally would use for your speed (or, in an automatic, switch to a lower-gear mode, such as "sport" or "low"). Just leaving it in the normal gear for your speed (or in "drive") doesn't do anything to slow the car down.
I have a Kia Sportage and I drop it into manual mode most of the time except in town and on the highway as it will put you in 8th gear going 40 mph on a winding country road and it's just not stable enough of a car for that and doesn't have the torque to do that. The gearbox is too programmed for fuel economy and you can't escape it. I just wish it had paddles. I think most of the other Kia SUVs have paddles (kona, sorento, telluride) at some trim level - tho im not sure about telluride actuallyif you have a torquemonster v8 you don't really need to do it as much but if you have a low hp 4banger you are gonna want to grab lower gears for curves and hills >>29010436my manual mode is REALLY picky about letting me select first gear when I would be anywhere near redline, it's not so strict with second gear but will often deny downshifts unless i'm doing like 3000 rpm or less in 2nd it needs another gear between 2nd and 3rd
>>29011259>Just leaving it in the normal gear for your speed (or in "drive") doesn't do anything to slow the car down.Have you ever driven a manual car that isn't drive by wire?
>>29011278I've never even driven a manual car.
>>29010398Great way to break your car.
>>29010416the pistons are moving up and down regardless. but they don't experience the stresses of combustion when engine braking (in vehicles with fuel cut aka almosy every EFI car made in the last 40 years)
>>29011259Not true at all.
>letting your engine freely spin from the force applied to it by the transmission is worse than disconnecting it from the transmission and having it spin on its own internal combustionThe shit retarded bus riders will say...
>>29011544the argument is that it's designed to withstand the combustion forces, but it falls flat because it's also designed to withstand the forces of engine braking
Thread full of fucking boomers lmao. Unless you're absolutely abysmal at driving manual and money shift, grind gears on downshifts, or riding the clutch on downshifts, engine braking is fine. If it's an auto, someone way smarter than you designed it to be okay with engine braking. If you wanna be a fucking autist and ride your brake pedal when your foot isn't on the gas, you do you. Drive like a woman with one foot on each pedal lmao.
never replaced my brake pads or brake rotors in over 100,000 km, because I use engine braking whenever I can
>>29011574Regardless of how well you do it you are doubling the wear on the clutch, for every upshift you are now down shifting.
>>29011643Clutch wear is minimal when rev matching and the transmission doesn't give a fuck that you aren't double clutching, compared to how most people just pick the gear and ride the synchros til it's in.
>>29011643upshifts and downshifts don't wear the clutch
>>29010398engine braking is cheaper, doesnt boil your brake fluid and generally more comfy.worked with some ruskies and other east euros, they always coasted downhill and braked, disks glowing red at the bottom but hey they saved some on diesel? no they didnt, all modern engines gas or diesel have fuel cut when engine braking above a certain rpm. so by engine braking you use no fuel and get minimum use of your brakes, by coasting you use fuel to keep your engine idling and constantly use your brakes and wear them down and even risk overheating them.has complete loss of brakes once due to a malfunction you do not want to experience that ever!
>>29010400This. Engine braking is for when you're actually in danger of cooking and losing your brakes going downhill on a mountain or something, i.e. a lot of braking without pausing. It's not something you actively try to do regularly in normal driving.
>>29010398Sometimes you buy a car and the engine just revs when you downshift and doesn't slow your car at all and it sucks cock
People in this thread have never driven a car and think simply turning the vehicle on will make the engine blow up and somehow run over a bunch of people at the same time
>>29010398I drove my previous car 70k miles and not once changed the brake pads2 tranny fluid changes and 1 brake fluid change and that's it
>>29011643lol how badly are you letting the clutch slip that this is an issue?
>>29010400> brake pads and rotors are cheaper than anything involved with the gearbox.Why would running an oiled engine at zero throttle be worse for it than normal driving? Seriously, think about it.
>>29010400>gearboxWrenchlet take
"engine braking" is yesteryear. we "regenerative braking" now.
>>29012467Schizo mexican
This wrenchlet ricer thinks he's hurting the tranny while engine braking kek
>>29012484Schizo mexican
I like engine braking because I like rev match downshifting because it's fun (especially when you fuckin nail 4 back to back perfects going from 6 to 2) and that's all that matters to me so fuck you
Your engine rev matches for you idiots!Literally when downshifting my ROMs climb up to whateverthey are supposed to be
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>>29012772I don't like engine braking. Why can't my car have a "mountain" button that keeps revs between 3-4k rpm using a yaw and pitch sensor or whatever it needs to figure out how steep and banked and angled a turn is, and ditto the cruise control surely they can make a car that can drive itself through a mountain pass by keeping up revs and slowing down for sharper turns.
>>29012849e90s had a feature where the autos with cruise control on would downshift to engine brake when going down hill20 years ago
>>29012868it downshifts on uphill grades only with cruise control on, which is maddening, the second a downward slope is found, it goes up to 8th gear (top gear)the newer versions advertise their ADAS features as having "curve" capacity, but i've never tried it
>>29012849>i dont like engine braking>proceeds to suggest a feature that would make a vehicle engine brake You are retarded.
>>29012461Don't make 'em think too much, they'll burn out their head
>>29010398If you dont have a v8 it isnt doing much. I rarely touch my brakes in normal commuting and the result is over 50,000km I have not had to replace brake pads or rotors on my expensive brakes.If you are a retard and cant rev match or you bought an auto then it is pointless to engine brake because yes you will damage your gearbox.
>>29013026Now, I agree engine braking is totally fine when done correctly, but 33k miles on a set of brake pads is nothing to brag about unless you’re doing multiple-hour runs at track days.
>>29013029I have 78k miles on my 12 year old OEM brake pads from the factory
>>290130266 cyl with manual will have pretty decent engine braking
Engine braking is just making your pistons suck vacuum
>>29013787sounds sexy what would happen if I stuck my dick in the intake pipe
>>29013787>Engine braking is just making your pistons suck vacuumWhich draws oil in to the cylinder...
>>29012985I don't like having to manually row the gears to get a lower one myself.
>>29013835If you have bad ones, gunked or crappy design rings. Just like cylinder pressure helps seat rings, high vacuum helps seal them 'the other way'. If you're blowing smoke on engine braking the engines already fucked
>>29010398Honestly I get much better gas mileage coasting in mexican overdrive than I do engine braking in 5th/6th. Engine braking is mostly for hills.
>>29013835lol your engine needs new rings if its doing that badly enough
>>29010398Dont engine brake a two stroke or your engine will break.
>>29012461Is it not the gearbox/drivetrain that would take most of the wear?Engine braking down a hill is still a good idea thoughTrucks have a jake-brake for a reason
no one actually goes around slowing down using engine braking. its more just a way to describe the extra braking power you get from having the clutch up. It makes a pretty big difference and if you've ever had to stop suddenly you'd understand.
>>29010398Do Burgers get actually taught ANYTHING when doing the driver license?You guys keep asking inane questions that literally ALL get answered in the first couple hours in first world countries.
>>29016819American drivers ed is basically, don't cross the lines, stop at red lights, and don't crash into stuff when you're parking. Most people are barely capable of that and they can still pass the test and get a license even if it takes them half a dozen tries.
>>29011643Learn to rev match kek. Only faggots downshift through their entire range to come to a stop. Downshift uphill for more torque and down a hill for better engine breaking and less brake riding. Throw that shit in neutral and use your brakes if you’re coming to a light.
>>29016098No, it's the pistons, the part of your engine that can handle explosions tens of times per second.
>>29016098It's called engine braking, not gearbox or drivetrain braking
>>29016114bus rider
>>29016819so what is the answer then?
I do it on my motorcycle. I need a new chain and sprocket like every 2 years. Not sure if that is the average life. But I also don't clean it. 50K miles and front brake pads barely got replaced.
