2027 Prius showing up on Toyota's website. Are we excited for this /o/?
>>29014671The Japanese cannot make good EVs, which pains me because I love EVs and I love Japan
>>29014672The Prius isn't an EV it's a hybrid.
>>29014671I don't hate Prius, I don't love it either. I'm indifferent to everything Toyota. Maybe good MPG is not that important to me and I'd rather have a nice fun ride. Toyota is too boring. Too FWD.
>>29014675The only good hybrids are ones where it drives on the battery and the engine charges that battery as needed
>>29014681Prius is the best hybrid.
>>29014671Why would you be excited? What's new about the 2027 that isn't a tiny incremental adjustment over the 2026 version?
>>29014694mpg went up on the higher trims
>>29014698How boring does your life have to be that a marginal difference in mpg is exciting to you?
>stop shilling kias>as if this slop is any better
>>29014727>stop discussing cars on my car board!!!
>>29014730>ok you can discuss cars>BUT NOT KOREAN ONES OR I WILL EXPLODEI guess I will say Kia is stupid for not making a K4 and K5 hybrid. I just wish they would tether the 2.5 NA engine to a battery for smaller cars - they use a 1.6T and it's undersized.
>>29014733>>BUT NOT KOREAN ONES OR I WILL EXPLODEwho are you quoting?I don't care what cars you discuss, I think kias look cool.
>>29014733>I guess I will say Kia is stupid for not making a K4 and K5 hybrid.Honestly I feel like every car should either be Hybrid or BEV now. If you're an apartment dweller you go hybrid. If you own a home you get a BEV and keep it permacharged with your at home charger.I don't see the point of ICE only vehicles anymore. 50 mpg hybrids and their simplified maintenance schedules are the way forward.
>>29014671About the same as or more expensive than a Model 3 or a Solterra in my country.What would incline an eco-nut to purchase a Prius over one of those?
>>29014739>Honestly I feel like every car should either be Hybrid or BEV nowits probably more expensive to incorporate than one would think + requires epa re-cert it is strange how you have all these useless EVs that can go 200 mi but most cars don't even have 48V mild hybrid tech >50 mpgI don't believe in free energy its not gonna improve fuel economy by that much manufacturers usually use smaller, lower powered gas engines to get those numbers and once the battery is rinsed you are stuck with that
>>29014745>once the battery is rinsed you are stuck with thatThe batteries last longer than the lifetime of the car. Priuses with 300k miles are still running their original batteries.>>29014743>What would incline an eco-nut to purchase a Prius over one of those?There are non-political reasons to purchase a hybrid or an EV:>BEVYou own a home. You wake up to a fully charged battery in the morning and when you come home from driving it fully charges itself overnight to repeat the process next morning. Your cost of "gas" drops to $1/gallon roughly. Because BEVs have much fewer parts than an ICE vehicle, your maintenance becomes almost non-existent. Instant torque of the BEV means you also get an incredible 0-60 speed.>HybridYou don't own a home but you want to 1.5-2x your gas mileage. You also want cheaper maintenance since the hybrid drive train also lowers maintenance by a significant degree.Either BEV or Hybrid results in cheaper mpg and dramatically cheaper vehicle maintenance with much fewer mechanic trips.
>>29014721These “people” aren’t human. Best not to think about them.
Going from 26 to 35mpg is not what I consider a useful cost benefit gain, going from 26 to 45 is.Now if you're going from a w5k car to a 40k car to do it, equally as retarded.But thats just the immediate money aspect.If the entirety of vehicles went hybrid-only 10 years ago the respurce life extension of the oil supplies would be significant. And as toyota pointed out a few years back, the resource cost of EVs is multiples higher than hybrids.As always through all societies of known history, humanity fucks up every decent path to sustainment by being human.
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why are japanese cars so much more reliable than american ones?
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>>29014671It's slightly less exciting than a hybrid minivan. At least I can fit large items in the minivan and the driver's seat ia far more comfortable.
are all the people saying the prius has no space fat americans?i'm 6 ft but feel fine in the prius, must be because i'm not obese?
>>29014671I've only seen literally one of these '23+ Prius models on the road, so I doubt it. The Doordash/Uber jeets don't like the ultra-raked windshield and the rear doors that are more difficult to get in/out of. A comparable, "conventional" Corolla, even in hybrid trim costs less, and a Camry barely a few dollars more with a hybrid drivetrain stock.The Prius tends to lose it's appeal because the Corolla/Camry and even the rest of the Toyota lineup has hybrid drivetrains nowadays, so placing the Prius as some sort of pseudo-sporty looking "dynamic" hybrid thing makes little sense for it. Even as it sits right now it'd have made more sense as a Celica crazy as that sounds, especially looking at what the Prelude now is. Doesn't mean that it'd sell any more, thoughbeit.
>>29014964I would take the Prius just because it looks cooler, but it needs to be cheaper than the Corolla and Camry.
You retards dont actual like carsNo normal car person likes EVs or Hybrids for anything but gas mileage
>>29014964>don't like the ultra-raked windshieldWhat does this mean?
>>29014671>making them less and less compact by the year
>>29014992I don't like a six foot deep dashboard
>>29014671its ok i'd prefer if it was just a 2 door hatchback tho
>>29014681We didn't need that shit 30 years ago and they still got better MPG than today's hybrids at a fraction of the cost.Electrical whine and AVAS are not worth it.
>>29014671wow, basic transpiration!!!
>>29015013Some people don't want to have to rent a Uhaul to buy a microwave and an office chair at the same time.I guess I have to say everyone so you get the hyperbole.
Got a 2026 plug-in as a gigger shuttlecraft, doesn't the 2027 have the weirdo face camera now?
>>29015047What fucking car are you refering tooBoth of those fit in just about everything but a cybertruck
>>29014671I'd buy one and unironically put a Ferrari Luce badge on it. Nobody would be able to tell.
>>29015047>I have to size my car for maximum expected use casePeak demand anxiety from retards like you is why the car market has become a death spiral of cuckovers and SUVs Instead of paying an extra couple bucks a few times a year for delivery, you pay more every month for gas, insurance, and consumables to drive a car which is less engaging. Fuck you
>>29014964After sitting in a new prius, corolla, and camry, the prius is surprisingly nice. The driver's seat feels like a cockpit, even if it's a little snug. The corolla looks like it was designed with a price point in mind. Even though everything is functional and fine, it felt the cheapest. The camry was obviously the roomiest, but it felt better designed where the driver's gauge cluster and rest of the dash felt appropriately designed. My next car is going to be the camry.
I just jerked off while looking at the new prius. Makes me so hard to think about those mpgs.
>>29014671The prius would be alright if it wasn't for the retard positioning of the steering wheel and gauge cluster. How do this even get approved?
>>29015638toyota has this rule, they MUST fuck everything up when its not necessary or asked for or needed. its like they made a pact with their satanic globohomo cult that everything they design must fundamentally offend the human spirit.
>>2901475412,000 miles a year at 25mpg and 3 bucks a gallon is $1,440.Thats about the low end to install a home charger. High end you're looking at $5k+Realistically there are very few houses that can just absorb an extra 60amp load.Modern standard home service is 200amp with older homes still using 100amp.A/C is going to be 60 right off the bat.Stove, water heater and dryer are each on their own 30 (unless youre NG/Propane).Add in everything else pulling power in the house and 90% of homes are already maxed out.Now you might think "well thats just the safety cutoff, its not really pulling that much".This is true. My smallest welder plugs into a 240v 30 amp socket. It only pulls 19amps. But think about that for just a second. We're talking about just 1 device in my garage that pulls 10% of my service capability.So now you can only charge at night when youre not cooking or doing laundry etc (which in theory works).But we're talking about a couple years of fuel cost just to break even on just the charging setup.If its compatible with an EV built in 2038 then once again youre looking good. But tell me how many types of phone chargers you've had.....
>>29015729>contNow let's look at the actual "fuel" cost.Electricity prices are going up. And they will continue to go up.Youre already paying for data centers to get a lower rate and it will only get worse.The equivelant of a buck a gallon now will be a buck fifty next summer. Offsetting with your own solar is awesome (everyone should have them).But are you going to have them installed on your roof? So now you have a company putting holes in your shingles but its ok because they totally guarantee it wont leak...Are you in a locale that gets enough sunlight to make it worthwhile?What about the power grid.Are you in california where rolling blackouts have been common since the 80s and now PG&E even turns off power during storms because they were sued when a downed power cable was blamed for a forest fire?Last I checked, those 5 gallon cans in my garage can be used for the generator or my car. When the last hurricane came through I could drive 45 minutes away to the nearest gas station that had power, fill up my truck and cans and go back home to feed the generator for 9 days until service was restored.
The prius did not need to turn into a sports car. People who buy priuses want a small reliable car with good gas mileage, not a ferrari wannabe. The only people excited about this are people in a toyota board room, and niggers who shared "coal roller blows black smoke at prius" memes when they were tweens.
>>29015750toyota doesnt care about what you want they care about brand image and they felt like losers getting mogged by all the better designs out there so, as usual, theyre trying too hard again. trying too hard is what people with no talent do when they want to look like someone else who is talented
>>29015753I hate how true this is. Why can't we just make things that are normal?
>>29015744>cont>less parts so EVs are more reliableLet's just assume this is true for now.Does it actually matter?We're talking about a new car here. You have a 5 or even a 10 year warranty.And if I can run camry to 400k miles (done it multiple times) and only change some piddly shit like a starter or alternator then what exactly is "more reliable" than that?
>>29014944unironically an excellent pointthere's very little point to the prius now that all toyotas come (or can come) with more or less the same hybrid powertrain why give up the vastly superior comfort of a camry or the vastly superior people and cargo carrying capacity of a sienna to get a prius?why spend the extra $$ over a corollla, or if you're a yuropoor, a yaris?the only benefit of picking a prius is that its hyper-optimized for low mpg, but compared to a slightly less optimized toyota hybrid, the difference is either very minor or seriously compensated by vastly superior capabilities in other areas.oh, and on the other side of the equation, if you actually ARE that invested in reducing emissions and/or fuel costs as much as possible, and u don't mind paying more for the car or otherwise compromising, there's the model 3, lol.
>>29014671>excitedA bit of a strong word there, but I saw one like pic related the other day and I think it's a very good looking car. Way too expensive though.
>>29014671They should bring back the V version. If my vehicle shit the bed I would consider one of those for a boring get around vehicle. Outside of that I couldn't care less.
The prious still gets better gas mileage than it's hybrid siblings, but the gap has narrowed. The EPA uses 55% city and 45% highway for combined mpg. Because you're on /o/, let's assume you're a 20-54 year old man, which means the EPA says you drive on average 18,417 miles a year. The corolla hybrid gets 53/46, MSRP at 24,975The combined mileage is 49.85mpg, so you'll burn 369.45 gallons of gas. Your gas cost, at the average American price at this moment of $3.88 is $1,433.46.The camry hybrid gets 52/49 mpg, MSRP at 29,600The combined mileage is 50.65mpg, so you'll burn 363.61 gallons of gas. Your gas cost, at the average American price now of $3.88 is $1410.81The prius hybrid gets 57/56, MSRP at 28,755The combined mileage is 56.55mpg, so you'll burn 325.68. Your gas cost, at the average American price now of $3.88 is $1,263.64.So let's assume everything else down to the last penny is the same between the cars, for the sake of the discussion. In this case, at best, the prius saves you $169.82 every year. To account for the cost difference between the prius and the corolla hybrid would take you 22 years and 3 months of driving. The worst gas prices in recent memory approached twice this in the 2014 era (when adjusted for inflation). So even if gas went back to it's absolute peaks, doubling in price, it still would take 11 years to justify the prius hybrid over the corolla hybrid. But what about the regular corolla? The regular corolla gets 36.05 combined mpg, and MSRP at 23,125. With a gas cost of $1,982.19 a year, you save $718.55 a year on gas. It still takes you 7 years and 10 months to justify the difference. If gas prices never go down, of course.There's also the PHEV prius which gets 127 miles per gallon equivalent, but to be honest I'm not totally sure how the EPA calculates that and I don't want to have AI slop it for you, so do your own homework.
>>29014671What's different about this car? New aero tweaks to get an extra mpg? Lower MSRP? More standard features?Doesn't matter, I drive the bottom end of the market, so it'd take me 12 years to break even on the purchase price of a Prius, even at 24 mpg.
>>29015837The problem with vaxx cancer is its not killing the toyota shills *fast enough*
>>29015837TCO usually exposes that it usually makes more sense to keep an existing car. If you are a brand new car buyer, selecting a Toyota hybrid is oftentimes an excellent starting point for a commuter car, and this is where capex and opex need to come together.If you drive a lot, the Prius makes a lot of sense. If you're an average commuter, the Corolla hybrid makes a lot of sense. If you carry passengers, the Camry hybrid makes a lot of sense.So it's really based on a specific utility case where Toyota differentiates its lineup.>>29015933>The problem with vaxx cancer is its not killing the toyota shills *fast enough*Live your life doing something else. If you wait for other people to die first, you may never end up seeing them die before you perish first.
>>29015938>before you perish *first*roflllmaoooo yeah okay its gonna be all the oncogene promoter needles i never took that finally does me in ahahahah
>>29015047What are you even talking about
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>>29015933I don't think it's shilling for toyota to demonstrate that the value proposition of one of their cars isn't really there anymore now that they've more broadly distributed the technology in their lineup >>29015938>If you drive a lot, the Prius makes a lot of sense. If you're an average commuter, the Corolla hybrid makes a lot of sense. If you carry passengers, the Camry hybrid makes a lot of sense.Yes, this is the point that my post means to demonstrate. The gas mileage for the ordinary person is no longer impressive on the prius.
Why buy a prius when you can buy a Corolla or camry or civic or accord or maverick etcetc hybrid and essentially get the same mpgs?
>>29016018It's shilling. Get over it
>>29016095Prius is a recognized nameplate that goes hand-in-hand with "save the whales!!"Bob from accounting drives a Maverick.Jimmy in receiving drives a Civic.Javier at the back gate drives an Accord.Karen in HR drives a Prius.
>>29017551What's wrong with saving the fucking whales?
>>29015638This is the big thing that got me. I'm old and fat and boring so I actually like hypermileing, but the steering wheel in a new prius either has to be too high or too low so I can see the gauge cluster. Toyota was on crack with this one.
>>29015822>They should bring back the V versionRav4 hybrid is the modern Prius V
>>29014964This is fucking gourgeous.
>>29014672>I love evsshould just said you love cocks
>>29017717i do the fucking here not them. the whales can get fucked (by me)
>>29016018People could prefer the styling, all things considered. It's not an ugly car compared to some of the monstrosities that have emerged in this decade.
>>29016218i dont think you know what the word means desusenpai
